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I realize the name of the organization may not be the same, but does anyone believe that there is an organization like Ms. Rice's Talamasca.

If so I want to sign up.




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It could be entirely possible that such a group exists. Too many whispers have been heard here and there to dismiss it outright.



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if tere is that would be pretty interesting but i wouldnt daubt there is



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If the term is what I've found: meaning someone who watches paranormal activity than I would say most probably yes.

There are a lot of paranormal investigators after all,if this is the term lol.



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Indeed, there are many groups all over the place, and they all do precisely the same thing, gather information to prove the existence of the paranormal.



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Well yes, there are a great many investigotrs, what I am after is a sort of "secret society" that existed alongside the "occult" since say the Catholic Church's rise to influence in the 5th century.



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Well, if it's a secret society, telling you and everyone else on this site wouldn't keep it secret much longer would it?



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No kidding. I am asking if people think one exists - not IF it exists to tell us all here.



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I am pretty certain that secret societies that monitor paranormal activity world wide or at least nation wide exist in the States and all over the world. There are too many people interested in the unknown and so many ways to actually do it that someone or someones somewhere put it into action. Even the government has SETI though thats not really paranormal as it is extra terrestrial. But yes, I do think they are out there, hiding, waiting, studying and discovering things that happen around us everyday that we are too blinded by life too see. But thats just my belief :)



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mostly exist something what its called and how they recruit i´m utterly blank:) but chances of a orginazation like that does´nt exists is so very much unlikely



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Very possibile that there are secter societies.

I've also found sites where it is said that they are paranormal investigators.



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nice still got the links?? would love to see if i could penetrate some layer of it and maybe find more hehe



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I'm sorry minamurrey, my sarcasm got the better of me.



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No kidding, BottomoftheFoodChain! I want links too - I want to join up. I am a historian and writer so could at least make a feeble attempt at documentation.



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Anything is possible on this planet we call Earth.



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Unluckily I can't find the link I used to look in but in google if you type :

Pranormal Investigators you'll find millions of sites.



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I have to mention a "Coven" of vampires that charges money and claims to be the only true vampires, they are the only way to real vampirism and power. Pft i say, and you have to pay to get in and they tell you nothing about it unitl your in so...i doubt its reality though i dont doubt it being real. You can just google search and find it..."Temple of the Vampire" they have their own bible and laws and such but I think its a bunch of people trying to get your money and your support and yes I am speaking out against a real coven that has been able to become a legal coven and get tax breaks and stuff so I dont know what will happen if they even care, but its call "Templ of the Vampire" or "Temple of the Vampires" i dont remember which....if your interested but then again its not really an invesigatory thing....



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23:45:09 Apr 08 2006
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i really shoulda made that my own thread huh?....oh well, maybe I will, so go on with the original thread!



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there have always been societies mostly hidden from the majority of people throughout the ages that investigate mysteries and the unexplained that is how the jesuits started in the catholic church for one



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Actually I have read somewhere there is a Talamasca..(ms)..hehe



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SatinMist:

Do you remember where you might have read that?



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I don't doubt that there are many orginizations that study the paranormal, I do doubt that there's anything like what Ann Rice was imagining



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Besides...there's probably a bit of schooling and training you have to go through before you're allowed to join.



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And if it's that old, probably a lot of arse-kissing and pretentious babbling, and church-going.



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I disagree, Visp, about the church-going. Any organizatin that has watched for that long would understand the horrors that have been committed upon humanity in the name of the "Church".



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I disagree, Visp, about the church-going. Any organization that has watched for that long would understand the horrors that have been committed upon humanity in the name of the "Church".



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I have never heard of anything quite like the Talamasca. I do know there are some that do it on a more specific level, like ghosts or UFO's amd such. Others monitor "cults" and that type of thing. I do not think anyone would be able to pay for anything like the Talamasca to exist.



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I will be looking into this in more depth when I get my grad degree.

After this first one I want a PhD in Medieval Religions. I may find things in the archives.



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I think there are some levels of Secret societies in existance whether or not they are purely driven to find Vamps could be debated though.



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So are there secret societies *within* secret societies?

I know that I have heard that the Masonic Order was one path that could lead to membership in the Illuminati.

And now what about the Bilderberg Group? the Tri-Lateral Commission?

Could these be the paths to the secret societies of modern day and the "New World Order?"
(I shudder typing those words!)



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I have never heard of anything quite like the Talamasca. not even here in germany - ok there are the illuminati running arround but not equal to Talamasca



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its as possible as vampires



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Well for sure there are societies like that out there. They might even be in your own city and you are not aware of them.

"oooh looks behind me"



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I believe that there is different orders and sects that specialize in monitoring the world, even control it. Illuminati (I believe that is how one spells their sect), the Ordo Templi Orientis (the one that Crowley was a part of), and even the Free Masons maybe considered for this sort of behaviour.



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i have had an old acquitance named Thomase, who worked for the PSI the psychic society of investigation and they were a very real government funded group of the uks leading psychics and mediums.
they have been utilised in many police investigations and studies of the paranormal



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Do you think they have a secret handshake and a decoder ring?



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LordFangor - I think they have the whole "True Lies" set up myself...complete with retina scan doors.



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LOL, the Masons are nothing to worry about at this point. They do have sub groups like the Shriners, York Rite and the Scottish Rite, as well as two groups for minors and a group for women. But at this point they no longer know much of what was taught at the begining. They like all Masonic orders try to claim they are remnants of the Knights Templars, the O.T.O. is another group which makes this claim.



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well if a secret society exist do you think they would let their existence be know to us



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Yeah - we already mentioned that early on. This question is about whether or not we *think or believe* that a secret organization like this might exist.

And I don't think they would ever want to be revealed.



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With all the various top secret organizations in all levels of government; and of other organizations like the Masons, etc throughout the ages, why not? I would be surprised if there was not one...perhaps not like the Talamasca, nor like with other movies/novels, but I would like to think there would be.



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That is a good question. I belive there is something out there like that.



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I believe that the Illuminati still is around, despite the fact that a lot of people think that it was destroyed or disbanded a long time ago.

I also believe there might be a secret government organization that is dedicated to studying the supernatural and occult occurances. And if it's to remain secret, why would anyone who knew of it speak of it?

That would be accomplishing the exact opposite of keeping something a secret.



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tons of groups, and tons of misinformation out there about those groups.
Some of the misinformation is put out there by fanatical right wing churches who think that the groups such as the freemasons are "satanic".

Rumors are that the Illuminati are still running around, but who knows. NWO? Hell, we're already there.



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HiddenFyre:

So you think there is a real X-Files type of unit? Cool.

I also believe the Illuminati is still around. I was in Job's Daughters (as was my daughter) which is the Masonic organization for girls. I have just heard too many weird stories about them not to think they are still around.

Good thughts.



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assuming that there is a secret society,what makes you think that you would find reputable documentation? the illuminati,knights templar,rosicrucians,priory of sion,none of those managed to keep from becoming public. it is inevitable.credible writers have been writing about these things for centuries. credible scientists,artists,and reputable church members wrote about them.but has anyone managed to crack their secrets? the techniques used to keep things secret have to evolve,and to evolve in such a way to maintain secrecy,despite sciences developments.eventually,someone will crack the code on the ceiling of roslyn chapel,eventually someone will find the secrets of the illuminati. secret societies in that time were filled with the most genius,most brilliant minds in the century. writers,philosiphers,sculpters,painters, architects,and scientists made up these orders. these members are the reason that the inner working of the illuminati and the priory of sion are laid open for every two bit hack to pick apart and understand. so unless whatever other secret societies exist today,unless they have stopped filtering out all but the best and most brilliant,there's no way to find it. there are rumors of these societies that are said to exist today. whispers on the wind,nothing more. any society that formed after the 1800,is no provable. no names,dates,ranks,or facts exist to prove that there are any secret societies left. and i scertainly don't believe that anything you can find on the internet would lead you to anything other than anne rices latest novel.



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Logically, such a society exists. I doubt it's much like the society portrayed by Anne Rice though.



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logically,everything exists.if ssience are hard fact hasn't yet disproven it,technically,it exists. but i highly doubt that they attempt to chronicle the lives of witches and vampires,even powerful ones.if they did,i would probably be on their list for the complete disregard of secrecy i have for myself. i am what i am,and it's out there. i'm sure that something would have happened to me right now,simply because of how public i am.



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I completely agree with most all of the comments on here... Could there be a Talamasca type organization? By all means .. An X-Files sort? Certainly - especially considering what J. Edgar himself got away with... Illuminati.. Most definetely...



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Illuminati-Follow the money!- What families make the major profits off of human misery and suffering- That is your secret society



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The DuPonts have to be near the top of that list - according to Jack Herrer in "The Emporer Wears No Clothes: Hemp and the Marijuana Conspiracy, they are responsible for the lobbying to have weed made illegal (Anslinger had to have been in their pocket) with the Marijauna Tax Act of 1937 - even though the president of the AMA at the time argued against such a move (and look at our f-ed up society now!).

They wanted to use petrochemical products for production of nylon and plastics.

That is one off the top of my head.

Then there is the book, "Bloodlines of the Illuminati" which supposedly lists all the families. I have too many of my family surnames listed in that book. (laughs) I think I am from the "don't tell them about this" branch of the old tree!

Secret Socities, just because of their "label" don't necessarily need to be secret to be operating. Some of the best in the world hide behind "fronts" I am sure.

This is truning into a pretty good topic, if I do say so myself (and I do).



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I think something like the Talamasca exists- but of course we wouldnt know about it and those who did would go about their lives wryly amused at those who seek to find out.

But there is always someone watching



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Yes I agree with the above statement there is always somebody watching.



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What about China? Aren't they lending money left and right now?

I would think they must have some place in the New World Order.

BTW - when I shudder at the term "New World Order" I am thinking specifically about George H.W. Bush and his speeches. He still creeps me out to this day. I don't trust someone who nearly pukes all over the Japanese Prime Minister and makes commercials with Bill Clinton. LOL ;)



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Back at the beginning of the twentieth century, when they first developed the plan for it, China was in a state of utter confusion. The British had been trying to subjigate them for years, not forgetting the Japanese after the British were beaten back.

The US was then effectively in command of the Chnese military, up until the end of the second world war and the Maoist revolution.

But the UK held on to Hong Kong under a 99 year lease agreement, which is where the vast majority of Chinese wealth was held.

Now, China is an enemy of the order in idealogical terms, but contradictorily, is their largest market and cheapest source of labour.



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Thanks, STABB, for the info. I know the US is in serious debt to China at present.

But I have read that they are moving more towards democracy.

wonder if there are any Chinese secret societies. those really would remain secret.



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Wait...aren't JP Morgan and the Rockefellers Americans?

I know the Rothschilds are European, but though that Morgan and Rockefeller were US?

Now I am confused. lol



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They are, but their roots are English and Franco-German.

Besides which, JP Morgan loaned the money which they used to form their own company from British investors.



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yes i believe there are society's in which vampyre,and the paranormal are monitored



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18:15:54 Apr 11 2006
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I believe that some people probably devote their entire life to the study of paranormal activity, and all things mysterious.



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I think there would be......people even go find ghosts or the other way around.



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Ok lets put some order to events. (Timeline)

Fact: - During the cold war and a spat of UFO sightings, it was the President of the USA, that fired the first shot. He himself wonted to know the truth to Roswell.
Although he was the Leader of a Nation, he was not the Commander and Chief in those days.
He himself got flipped over with Red Tape, this enraged him. He could not find a solution to the peoples questions in a Nation gripped in uncertain fear. Not wonting to look like a fool to Congress and the population over his lack of being able to cutting through Red Tape. With an election months away and his Nation closely being watched by a major foreign power (USSR), he decided to go to his most loyal and trusted friends who held wealth. With no questions asked he was able the raise the finance he needed to fund a team of under cover experts. It was the job of this team to find the information required by the President, and allowing him to appear more in control of the Nation, by being able to discuss matters in a way that would put the population at ease.
It was during one of his addresses to the press on a matter of military issue the preverbal cat came out of the bag. A section of the military quickly picked up that the President had talked about issues that they had not discussed outside there own ranks.
This eventually led to one of the Presidents men getting caught in the act. Behind closed doors it was discussed how to resolve the matter, the military justifiably put their case forward. Stating that it was not good for an uncontrolled group of people to be wondering around gathering information while the Nation was in a Cold War situation.
The President put his case forward, that it would not look good for the Nation, across the globe especially to the Cold War enemy, if it was found out the leader of the Nation himself did not know what is happening within his own Country or military affairs.

The outcome of the meeting brought about a request for congress to release unspecified amounts of money to deal with National Security.
The Military along with the Government formed a group of people that latter became known as Majestic. It was Majestic roll to oversee all departments within the Governments and the Military and to report to a Joint Staff Commission.
Over time Majestic worked out how to best run itself to obtain information quickly and more in depth.
This latter along with a unrestricted budget and access to information, lead Majestic to a position of power. And like all power groups there became an internal power struggle as to which sub group of Majestic would gain and become the chief final handler of everything gathered.
Eventually this led to an all conquering divide, were the most senior and those with the most contacts(rats) broke from the main body and formed Majestic 12 latter to be known as the Bilderberg’ers, named after the hotel were they would meet.

It was the left over remnants of Majestic that now without all the contacts the Bilderberg’ers had, that now had to justify why they still required funding from congress.
Part of their strategy to survive they created rumors that the USSR were conducting experiments in psychic research, in view of infiltrating targeted USA people and installations. They presented many more cases were they could be needed such as the X-Plane Projects ect.
It was this rumor about the USSR that brought about an organization we commonly call the X-Files. It was the roll of those in the X-File team to hire certain special agents from all the different intelligence organizations.
While the X-File team drew up and ran fake scenarios of events and strange occurrences, it was the roll of the agents to find how to debunk these case as fakes (sort of like forensic work).
Now this cat and mouse game lead both teams, those running the scenarios and the agents trying to debunk the happenings to become very skillful in there rolls.
The whole idea of the X-Files was so agents in the intelligence field would be well equipped to hunt down, seek out, find and eventually take down anything a USSR undercover team could through at the Nation. Later Chris Carter would gain documents through the freedom of information act on the X-File sub group and use bits and pieces from them to create his famous TV Series.

Since Majestic held most of the Secret Opps work, the only thing for the Bilderberg’ers to do was to gain more power through contacts and covert Government to Government operations. During this faze of their existence they ended up with so much knowledge of the workings of the world and all the inside info of every government in every country. They became power mongers now with ability to by and sell information. The President of that stage tried to down play the power that the Bilderberg’ers had. And soon found out very harshly and at a costly price that it was the Berger’s that call the shots and not any Nation or its Leaders.
So now it is the Mystery Solvers that now are the so called Big Brother Organization.
And the idea of the New world Order is a forerunner to the final implementation of what will become the One World Order.

And as for an Organization that may behave like the one in Rice’s book, well I would look no further than the Berger’s having found it and now control the overseeing of it, or a similar team was set up by those link to the X-Files, to do there own Psychic Research and development.
I know that if I was at war with a Nation that had an Iron Curtin of silence around it, and I heard a rumor of such research being conducted. Then I would do similar to defend my Nation and its people.

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03:54:15 Apr 12 2006
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I believe that PheaR eloquently stated our current world position with regards to secret societies and I bet he knows who Robert Anton Wilson is, too!

So I am closing the thread, as we have pretty much exhausted the topic.

Thanks everybody!

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