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darkfire1259
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The Goths were an East Germanic tribe who from the 2nd century settled Scythia, Dacia and Pannonia.
Though many of the fighting nomads who followed them were to prove more bloody, the Goths were feared because the captives they took in battle were sacrificed to their god of war, Tyz, and the captured arms(weapons) hung in trees as a token-offering. Their kings and priests came from a separate aristocracy and their mythic kings of ancient times were honored as gods. Their mythic lawgiver, named Deceneus, traditionally dated about the 1st century BC, ordered their laws, which they possessed by the 6th century in written form and called belagines.
In the 3rd century, the Goths split into two groups, the Tervingi or Visigoths ("West Goths"), and the Greuthungi or Ostrogoths ("East Goths"). The Visigoths carried out one of the first major "barbarian" invasions of the Roman Empire from 263, sacking Byzantium in 267. A year later, they suffered a devastating defeat at the Battle of Naissus and were driven back across the Danube River by 271. This group then settled north of the Danube and established an independent kingdom centered on the abandoned Roman province of Dacia.
Both the Ostrogoths and Visigoths became heavily Romanized during the 4th century due to the influence of trade with the Byzantines, and by their membership in a military covenant centered in Byzantium to assist each other militarily. They converted to Arianism during this time. Hun domination of the Ostrogoth kingdom began in the 370s, and under pressure of the Huns, Visigothic king Fritigern in 376 asked Valens to be allowed to settle with his people on the south bank of the Danube. Valens allowed this, and even helped the Goths cross the river, probably at the fortress of Durostorum, but following a famine the Gothic War (377–382) erupted, and Valens was killed at the Battle of Adrianople.
The Visigoths under the rule of Alaric I sacked Rome in 410. Honorius gave the Visigoths Aquitania, where they defeated the Vandals and by 475 ruled most of the Iberian peninsula.

In the meantime the Ostrogoths freed themselves from the rule of the Huns following the Battle of Nedao in 454. At the request of emperor Zeno, Theoderic the Great from 488 conquered all of Italy. The Goths for a short time reunited under one crown in the early sixth century under Theodoric the Great, who became regent of the Visigothic kingdom following the death of Alaric II at the Battle of Vouillé in 507. Procopius, writing at this time, interpreted the name Visigoth to mean "western Goths", and the name Ostrogoth as "eastern Goth" which corresponded to the current distribution of the Gothic realms.

The Ostrogothic kingdom continued until 553 under Teia, when Italy briefly fell back under Byzantine control, until the conquest of the Langobards in 572. The Visigothic kingdom lasted longer, until 711 under Roderic, when it had to yield to the Umayyad invasion .

So there you have it folks...next time someone gives you a hard time about being "Goth" remember that the originals were some pretty bad individuals...

The information given here was taken from Wikipedia.org and copied down in my own words...(no plagerism here thank you very much)...lol




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Rowiel
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20:00:54 Jun 22 2006
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very interreting i suggest that you save it up to publish it as an article here if you have as said made it in your own words :)



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Wow, I never knew that.



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20:54:17 Jun 22 2006
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Allright wll this is alot of information to comprehend, but thank you very much :) See I am classifyed as a gothic person from the people at my school, but I can now prove them wrong.



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20:54:53 Jun 22 2006
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Very Informative and interesting.



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Faine
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21:02:00 Jun 22 2006
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Thats a lot of information!!



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BillytheJust
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21:11:47 Jun 22 2006
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Perhaps not but it has been done several times before. ~ Billy



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EffulgentVampyress
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21:14:02 Jun 22 2006
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Very well-researched. This should definitly become an article. :D

I hope this gets read by everyone here on VR.



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Jakyna
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21:19:14 Jun 22 2006
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Read it and ... I was call a goth and now I know I am not...hum? Good news or bad?

Ether way thank you for the info, well appreciated



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21:33:58 Jun 22 2006
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i knew the goths were kinda bad asses but that puts it into a new persective...



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bloodysparklesod
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21:36:20 Jun 22 2006
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It is a lot to take in, but it is all very correct. Nice job. :)



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AtrumDea
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21:36:23 Jun 22 2006
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I have to thank you, I have been told by many that I am a goth simply because of the way I dress, now I can show them all!!!!! he he
No, seriously though, very interesting read, great work!



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TheHeartless
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21:36:39 Jun 22 2006
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I suggest that this would be put in your journal. There is no room for discussion and you haven't put out an actuall question to what you have wrote. If this has been done before I haven't noticed but next time if you just put out an article and a few words make sure those few words can start an actual discussion over the article instead of something that allows people to write two or three words.



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That is good to know.



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Vlad3
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22:41:59 Jun 22 2006
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Thanx for the info



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bloodysparklesod
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23:04:33 Jun 22 2006
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I do agree. I have actually had a thread closed before for the same reason. But it is a great piece of writing that you should definetly save.
Hopefully it has given clarity to the origins of goth so that there is less misconception.



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23:11:12 Jun 22 2006
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Old Joke:

"I've been goth for so long I was there when we sacked Rome. "

Well, the two were very different, and I hardly think that anyone would confuse younglings in black and makeup with howling barbarians, but it's an interesting thing to know, I suppose.



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Vashti
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23:15:45 Jun 22 2006
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Thanks for the history lesson. I like Skakespeare's take on the Goths as well. Read Titus Andronicus.



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TumorNamedMarla
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23:33:09 Jun 22 2006
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I did a simular thread weeks back



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I like this post indeed. I like research like this.

Thank you for the info...I just might investigate further myself.


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LifeIsKillingMe
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00:13:37 Jun 23 2006
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Yep good stuff indeed



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bloodysparklesod
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00:33:48 Jun 23 2006
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Yes, Titus Andronicus is a very good read indeed.



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Lesang87
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00:39:28 Jun 23 2006
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Cooool! I already knew all that! Damn I had an awesome history teacher!



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Vampiress25
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00:53:35 Jun 23 2006
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very interesting read Thanks :)



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LadyCrymsyn
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01:04:43 Jun 23 2006
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That is a very interesting read. Thanks for posting it, I had wondered about the origins of the Goth.



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Tinius
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Very Informative, You should see about getting that into the Database. However it's not really a "Thread" as such. I'm going to RIP it for now, and again, try to get it in the Database.



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