There are so many legends about vampires, from a variety of sources... Hollywood, books, legends that have been handed down through the ages...
What was the most believeable legend you ever heard?
And why did said legend strike you as believeable?
I'm not quite sure what the most believeable legend I ever herad was.... I lost it a while ago...
But next up would have to be Dracula... and the legend of Vlad the Impaler....
I too have heard of the legend of Dracula. It was my most believable.
Count Dracula was a real person who was said to be very strange. There was a rumor that he drank blood and always stayed in doors. Many people began to fear him for he seemed so odd to them and possibly cruel...
This is all I have heard and my guess would be that based on this, people began to create stories and vicious creatures out of this image they created out of fear toward him.
Possibly he truly was the first vampire as said in many fictional tales; the first to be strange in this way.
Vlad, however, I have only heard his name. I have no knowledge of him...
VampireFreakshow,
If this particular legend is so believeable to you based on the reasons which you state, then I'm sorry, but I have to disagree and say that I find the theory of Vlad being a vampyre, almost totally unbelieveable.
Your reasoning utterly fails to convince me, as it will many others, I am sure.
I agree with Stabb666 here. Vlad "The Impaler" was a historical figure that Brahm Stoker loosely based his "Dracula" character on. There are myths and folklore that get twisted and turned as generations have passed them on. There are accounts of real vampires, that once read will give you a better understanding of where Hollywood got it's sources of inspiration. Every culture on every continent has some "vampire" lore. They are all different with some varying similarities. Do your self a favor and do some research, you won't regret it.
I'm sorry. What gave you the impression that this "Vlad" was believable to me. Like I said "I have no knowledge of him". I haven't even heard the tale. Whether I believe it or not, does not come into play.
Furthermore, I was merely asked if I knew any legends I thought were true. From a Discovery and History channel, I have come to believe there was a strange man named Dracula. I never mentioned I believed he was a vampire; only that that 'may' be where this story originated.
I am well aware there are many vampire folklores. Again, as I was asked to speak of any believable legends I may have, research is unnessesary...
"I too have heard of the legend of Dracula. It was my most believable."
Yes, this thread is asking for opinions on myth and legend, but anyone can say, "I heard this.."
And I am saying, that even though you have heard this and it is the most believeable to you, it is not believed by me, so I am countering your assertion.
If you can provide me with reasoned argument as to how Vlad of Wallachia can be considered a vampyre, then I will happily discuss it. I will not discuss hearsay, especially that which has been over-analysied by virtually every vampyre forum and expert on the planet.
Meaning in that- I have heard the name Dracula. A man thought by many to be the first...
I never said others believed in this legend or statement. Frankly, I do not care if you believe it or not. This forum is not about beliefs.
Also, I have no reason to speak of Vlad when I know not of him. You may, if you have heard that legend and it is your most believed, but I will not speak much more of him unless you would like to tell me this legend and discuss it further for the one who posted this thread. I am always interested in new tales. Thank you.
transformation was the most beliveable one iv ever heard .
lonewolf2,
What exactly do you mean by 'transformation'?
Physical?
Spiritual or psychological?
Please can you clarify.
Thanks.
At the risk of sounding hostile:
I did not imply first that Vlad was a believable myth or that you were familiar with him.
Becomming aggitated with our comments because of your ignorance of Vampire lore isn't useful and quite frankly annoying.
Yes, the most widely accepted and popular "household" vampire story is Dracula.
There are many, many more historical figures and accounts of strange behaviors that have led to more myth and folklore about vampires.
Hollywood is not believable. Authors such as Ann Rice are entertaining, but not believable.
Your theory on Dracula is way off.
This was the legend that 'I' heard and my opinion, as what a forum is for. I do not care what you think to be wrong. That is not the discussion. It is to name legends, not whether or not they are right. I mentioned "Vlad" to acknowledge the fact that I had read every word, took it into consideration, then gave proper feedback as to be courtious to the one who made the thread. Whether it bothers you or not is not my problem...
And yes, Lonewolf2, what tranformation do you mean? What are the details of the legend you have heard?
The legend of the sunlight because their is a disease out in this world that can actually kill some people if the light touches their skin. So the legened of vampires and sunlight would have to be the most believable to me I mean it makes sense to me so yes it would have to be this legened of how is vampires go into to sunlight the burn up and becaome ashes or crispy then ashes.
Oh, yeah! I forgot about that one. Yes, people even get bad "sunpoisoning", I think it's called, and they can get real sick. But as for bursting into flames and becoming ashes, I am not so sure unless I hear that that disease is actually bad enough to make someone spontaniously conbust, which I do believe in. Then that would be a pretty good legend to me.
VampireFreakshow,
You stated that you found it believable based on stories. You also stated that Dracula was a real person. I disgree with your opinion of this legend, since for me, it's really only a story, who's legend is based on rumour, mixed up stories and well known fiction.
I'm sorry if thats aggressive for you, but it's how I speak most of the time. Direct and to the point.
LOL XD STABB666, my dear friend, you missed the point entirely. That is what legends are: Stories. Rumors and opinions forged into a story. Legends are neither fact nor a belief system. That is what our friend wants to know.
My beliefs have nothing to do with you. You may choose to not believe these, that's fine, but the question was "...and which was most believable to you?"...
The forum is to state legends, not argue who is wrong. There is no one wrong here. These are not 'our' legends, just those we have heard as asked to mention.
I would think that you, a Dominar, would know to stick to the subject. You have yet to state a legend of your own. Come now, let's hear it. What legend is most believable to you? THAT is what is at hand here.
It is pointless for you to fight 'us' on these legends for we are the ones who merely only 'heard', as all others...
And don't worry, I don't think you are being that aggressive, just amusing, but discourtious to the one who has asked... lol
i dont think its the most beliveble, but i love the legend of Dracula, the real man was very interesting as well
Understood, STABB666. I appreciate your compliment and understanding. You too have much knowledge. You seem like the kind of person I could truly respect...
About Dracula, however, it was just my belief that there was a strange man named Dracula. Like the simple legend of Santa Claus, I believe there was a real man named Chris Kringle who loved giving toys to children, but not a man who flew in a sleigh pulled by 'flying' reindeer, had 'elves' working for him, or traveled the entire world in 'one' night.
To me the exact same thing. I never claimed to be so very right or have proof about any of which I stated.
I am not sure which legends are real or fake but I have heard about the finding of bones with elongated canines and there is actual cases of people who a disease that haves "vampiric" traits. I am not sure of the name of it I will have to look it up.
I have heard of people being born with fangs too. Sometimes they even claim to be vampires (whether they really are or not) and bite people (not to prey on, though)...
Yes, but he has yet to post a legend himself. Quite hipacritical to critisize something he himself has yet to bring forward.
I am very pleased to see that there is a discussion going on, but I am distressed to see a Dominar treated with such disrespect.
True, I created this thread to see what vampire legends were the most believeable to each individual, but the purpose of a forum thread is quite different for each person who read it. And if someone would like to discuss a current post rather than post a new legend of their own, fine. That's their choice. It's not being hypocritical at all, and that's just a very lame excuse to take attention away from the fact that you were losing the debate.
I am happy that someone mentioned the issue of sunlight, and the disease that is associated with it. Indeed, it was widely misunderstood by many people in earlier times, and so, since the people who had this disease could not be out during the day, and little was known about their activities, they were treated with caution caused by fear. Then, to add to their discomfort, their attributes of being nightdwellers and allergic to the sun were magnified, and incorporated into vampire legend.
Well, that's my two cents for now. I'll check back later.
lol Oh, my ForeverYoursLost, there is no winning or losing here. Nonsence. I have high respect for him indeed (have you read his profile and journal? Fabulous.) I was merely 'suprized' to see that a Dominar would act as such.
Yes, it is fine to discuss a legend already posted, but he seemed as though he was more eager to prove wrong. Legends are not to be proven wrong; they are meant to be told. He even dishonored my beliefs. This seemed as though this was all he was doing and going to do. So in telling him to post a legend, I was more inviting him to the actual conversation and finding out what 'he' believed to be true. Because for someone to go so strongly toward one's belief system, it only makes one more curious to know what is true to them...
And yes! The sunlight. Good call. I can't believe I missed that. But I was also suprized that no one else was bothered by their statements... lol Get the hint?...
If you have something against 'me', then bring it forward... I won't bite... Hard... LOL
I've got nothing against anyone on the site. I've had nothing but good times here, and I hope to keep it that way. I merely noticed that the attitude of the forum posts (in both directions) sometimes seemed hostile, and while I enjoy a good discussion, I do not approve of name calling, or shooting others down.
I'm sorry that I phrased my previous post in a way that did just that. STABB666 made some good points, and I would like to see him post a legend of his own, but that's of little consequence.
Forgive me if I offended, as that was never my intention. I suppose my reaction was a little harsh.
I think that you have every right to believe whatever you see fit to believe, and as I have not yet found the legend that I referred to in my first post, I cannot say which it is that I believe.
I never truly found the story of Dracula believeable to the degree that I would stand up for it in any situation, but there was one that I had found, and in the last couple of years, misplaced and forgotten. I hope, through maybe a little more discussion, and a few moe posts of actual legends, to possibly find it again. I love vampire lore, but have not thoroughly studied it since the end of Grade 8.
I hope to find more vampire lore, and rediscover everything that I once lost.
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Yes, there are those among Us who have extened teeth. As well as 'other' physical differences. But that in itself is a whole other topic.
The legends of vlad and Bram Stoker are the ones I am familiar with.
ForeverYoursLost,
I have had nothing, but good experiences here too. I love it here. There are people like me who love vampires, love to talk about them, and to them. My highest respect and love to all those good people. People who have many stories, legends, opinions, and different beliefs to tell. And that is what I love most. I love to hear it. True or not. I am a very optimystic, open minded, and insightful girl who believes that anything is possible. Now I 'do', however, have a limit on that, but I do not speak of it in respect of others.
But like everyone else, I post my 'opinions', 'rumors', 'experiences', 'stories', and 'other knowledge' into the discussions, to give back what have been given to me, yet I am countered and accused; disrespectd of my beliefs. That is why I must acknowledge that I am some type of target. I never tried to be hostile to anyone. Not at all, for I deeply love and respect all as I was always taught to do so...
I too, love the lore and legends, or I would not be here. I felt it only right to post one of my own...
STABB666,
Oh, my dear, my dear. Once 'again' I will say I 'never' said I believed Dracula was a 'vampire' at all... End of that discussion...
Your belief is your own. Respected... 'To each his own'...
To both, I thank you for the apologies. I am relieved that my pain of mind and heart and effort for peace is realized. I must too, apologize for whatever reason was seen to disrespect and harm me so when I gave so much of my heart to this. Perhaps it is only that I am merely a young girl whose heart is weak...
Now good day to all, my dear friends...
Everyone seems to be familiar with Dracula, and some with the semi-myth stoy of Vlad the Impaler, who, although an impossibly cruel man, was not a vampire, merely a man upon whom some vampire stories were based.
I wonder if anyone will post a more obscure legend? One that migth require research? Everyone on the planet that has heard of a vampire has heard of Dracula. Are there any legends out there that have NOT been covered by mass media?
ForeverYoursLost,
How about the idea that a human was once turned into a vampyre by a spirit being?
I've only read of a few people dicussing this though...
Anne Rice brought that idea up in her Queen of the Damned books. It is definitely obscure though! :D. In Queen of the Damned, Akasha's husband, and herself, were murdered in cold blood, while a spirit with an addiction for blood that has been plaguing the Egyptian Queen and King was in the room. The spirit entered Akasha's body first, then Enkil's, and thus the First Ones were created. It is an interesting story, and it requires more research. Thanks! I'd forotten about that one! :D
all legend has a basis in fact, history and people twist and turn thing to suite their purposses.....
lol I'm staying out of this one. I'm finally liking where these legends are starting to go.
I've always wondered about spirits, after death, and the bite.
Ahhh a lot was mentioned of Dracula but there was a disease where the person would look like they were dead. I don't know the name but if these people were in fact buried alive and woke up in the coffin. Strange noises would certainly be heard from the grave and when dug up would show nail scratches on the coffin and an undecayed body. That alone would cause belief of supernatural activity. Something to think about as far as legends go.
way back when rhode island was known as little transilvania. there were so many cases of vampires that there were special guards to dig up and kill vampires...
this is the most believeable to me, as i've seen actual documents relating to the time... seems there was a case of consumption that really got spread around.
Dracula led armies against the Turks, therefore he did not always stay indoors. From what I know from him, he impaled people and sat and watched them suffer as a macabre dinner-theatre piece. He is still remembered today as a national hero that asserted himself and country against odds that other nations would have not necessarily easily fallen to, but eventually gave sway to, despite his blackness.
STABB666,
I think that that idea is an amazing one. I had never thought of anything that way. I think that the idea of communing with such a spirit so completely that you could transcend death would be far greater, if accomplished, than any of the works that science could bring forth, particularly if such communion brought about immortality. Something to think about, at least. Once again, I thank you for bringing about yet another idea for me to mull around in my head and look into.
the only one that comes to mine right now is about vlad the impailer. the reason i was so drawn to this legend was because it was one of the first stories i really remember from childhood
What's the story on this guy? I keep hearing his name, but what is this legend?...
This is a really good thread that I am pleased to add to. But I will have you all know that the question refers to our OPINIONS on it. No one should be criticized for viocing their own opinions. So having said that, I think the most believable thinger Iv'e been told is the vlad story. Keep in mind that most legends and stories are based on at least a grain of truth....
Yes, that is what I have been trying to say, but I am interested to know what this story is. It has only been mentioned as of yet...
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i have also heard of the vlad legend and i do consider it true. when many people think about vampires, let alone vampire legends, they tend to think of the hollywood vampires and don't think about the actual vampire legends. there were many types of vampires, including gods in ancient cultures.
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This is an actual disease, it attacks you usually from your own bone marrow. Some become light sensitive (myth one explained) Then you begin to go insane. Finally if left untreated by proffesional means...said person can actually treat themselves by ingesting blood (myth two) and organs usually the liver to receive that which their bodies no longer make. If they don't do this their bodies begin to cannabilize themselves(myth three) causing death.
I find the story of vlad the impailer aka Dracula somewhat true. From what I know he would kill people by putting steaks through them and then practically justput the steaks into their yard like they were for show or something.
Yes, there was a real Dracula, and he was a true prince of darkness. He was Prince Vlad III Dracula, also known as Vlad Tepes, meaning "Vlad the Impaler." The Turks called him Kaziglu Bey, or "the Impaler Prince." He was the prince of Walachia, but, as legend suggests, he was born in Transylvania, which at that time was ruled by Hungary.
According to legend, Walachia was founded in 1290 by a Transylvanian named Radu Negru, or Rudolph the Black. Dracula's grandfather, Prince Mircea the Old, reigned from 1386 to 1418. He fought to keep Walachia independent from the Turks but was forced to pay tribute to them. He and his descendants continued to rule Walachia, but under the suzerainty of the Ottoman Empire (Turkey).
The throne of Walachia was not necessarily passed from father to son. The prince was elected by the country's boyars, or land-owning nobles. This caused fighting among family members, assassinations, and other unpleasantness. Eventually the royal House of Basarab was split into two factions -- Mircea's descendants, and the descendants of another prince named Dan II. Dan's descendants were called the Danesti.
Mircea had an illegitimate son, Vlad, born around 1390. He grew up in the court of King Sigismund of Hungary, first probably as a hostage and later as a page. Sigismund, who became the Holy Roman Emperor in 1410, founded a secret fraternal order of knights called the Order of the Dragon to uphold Catholicism and fight Turkey. Vlad was admitted to the Order, probably in 1431. The boyars of Walachia started to call him Dracul, meaning "dragon." Vlad's second son would be known as Dracula, or "son of the dragon." Dracul also meant "devil." So some of Dracula's enemies called him "son of the devil."
Sigismund made Vlad the military governor of Transylvania, a post he held from 1431 to 1435. During that time he lived in the town of Sighisoara or Schassburg. You can still visit the citadel there and even the house where Vlad's son Dracula was born. Today there's a restaurant on the second floor. There's also a mural in the house that may depict Vlad Dracul.
Young Dracula
Dracula was born in November or December of 1431. His given name was Vlad. He had an older brother, Mircea, and a younger brother, Radu the Handsome. Their mother may have been a Moldavian princess or a Tranyslvanian noble. It is said that she educated Dracula in his early years. Later he was trained for knighthood by an old boyar who had fought the Turks.
Dracula's father was not content to remain a mere governor forever. During his years in Transyvlania, he gathered supporters for his plan to seize Walachia's throne from its current occupant, a Danesti prince named Alexandru I. In late 1436 or early 1437 Vlad Dracul killed Alexandru and became Prince Vlad II.
Vlad was a vassal of Hungary and also had to pay tribute to Hungary's enemy, Turkey. In 1442 Turkey invaded Transylvania. Vlad tried to stay neutral, but Hungary's rulers blamed him and drove him and his family out of Walachia. A Hungarian general, Janos Hunyadi (who may have been the illegitimate son of Emperor Sigismund) made a Danesti named Basarab II the prince of Walachia.
The following year Vlad regained the throne with the help of the sultan of Turkey. In 1444 he sent his two younger sons to Turkey to prove his loyalty. Dracula was about 13. He spent the next four years in Adrianople, Turkey as a hostage.
In 1444 Hungary went to war with Turkey and demanded that Vlad join the crusade. As a member of the Order of the Dragon, Vlad was sworn to obey this summons. But he didn't want to anger the Turks, so he sent his eldest son, Mircea, in his place. The Christian army was demolished at the Battle of Varna, and Vlad and Mircea blamed Janos Hunyadi.
In 1447 Vlad and Mircea were murdered. Mircea was killed by the boyars and merchants of the Walachian city Tirgoviste. There are different stories about how he died - he may have been tortured and burned, or buried alive. Apparently his father died at the same time. Some say that the assassinations were organized by Hunyadi.
Since Vlad and Mircea were dead, and Dracula and Radu were still in Turkey, Hunyadi was able to put a member of the Danesti clan, Vladislav II, on the Walachian throne. The Turks didn't like having a Hungarian puppet in charge of Walachia, so in 1448 they freed Dracula and gave him an army. He was seventeen years old.
It seems that Dracula's little brother Radu chose to remain in Turkey. He had grown up there, and apparently remained loyal to the sultan.
Dracula's Reign
With the help of his Turkish army, Dracula seized the Walachian throne. However, he only ruled for two months before Hunyadi forced him into exile in Moldavia. Again Vladislav II became Walachia's prince.
Three years later Prince Bogdan of Moldavia was assassinated and Dracula fled the country. By now Vladislav II had become a supporter of Turkey, and Hunyadi was sorry he had put him on the throne. Everyone switched sides - Dracula became Hunyadi's vassal, and Hunyadi now supported Dracula's attempt to regain his throne. In 1456 Hunyadi invaded Turkish Serbia while Dracula invaded Walachia. Hunyadi became sick and died, but Dracula killed Vladislav II and took back his throne.
He established his capital at Tirgoviste - you can still see the ruins of his palace there. And nearby a statue of Vlad Tepes still stands. He is considered an important figure in Romanian history because he unified Walachia and resisted the influence of foreigners.
But it's Dracula's cruelty that most non-Romanians remember. After becoming prince, Dracula supposedly invited many beggars and other old, sick and poor people to a banquet at his castle. When his guests had finished eating their meal and drinking a toast to him, Dracula asked them, "Would you like to be without cares, lacking nothing in this world?"
Yes, they said enthusiastically.
So Dracula had the castle boarded up and set it on fire. Nobody made it out alive - and that was the end of their problems, as he had promised. "I did this so that no one will be poor in my realm," he said.
According to another story, he invited 500 boyars to a banquet and asked them how many princes had ruled in their lifetimes. They said they had lived through many reigns. Shouting that this was their fault because of their plotting, Dracula had them all arrested on the spot. The older ones were impaled; the others were marched 50 miles to Poenari where they were forced to build a mountaintop fortress. They worked a long time; when their clothes fell off, they worked naked. Most of them died, of course. And of course Dracula seized the boyars' property and passed it out to his supporters. In that way he created a new nobility, loyal to him.
(The ruins of the Poenari fortress can still be seen. You have to climb nearly 1,500 steps and cross a little bridge to reach it. It's now called Castle Dracula, but several places are called that. Another "Castle Dracula" is Bran Castle, near the town of Brasov. Although Dracula may have stayed there occasionally, it certainly wasn't his home.)
Dracula liked to set up a banquet table and dine while he watched people die. His favorite form of execution was impalement. It was slow; people could take days to die. He liked to impale many people at once, arranging the stakes in fancy designs. Nothing was too brutal for Dracula - he enjoyed having people skinned, boiled alive, etc. He prided himself on making the punishment (supposedly) fit the crime.
By 1462, when he was deposed, he had killed between 40,000 and 100,000 people, possibly more. He always thought up some excuse for these executions. He killed merchants who cheated their customers. He killed women who had affairs. Supposedly he had one woman impaled because her husband's shirt was too short. He didn't mind impaling children, either. Afterwards he would display the corpses in public so everyone would learn a lesson. It's said that there were over 20,000 bodies hanging outside his capital city. Of course, the stories about Dracula's cruelty might have been exaggerated by his enemies.
Despite all this, Dracula's subjects respected him for fighting the Turks and being a strong ruler. He's remembered today as a patriotic hero who stood up to Turkey and Hungary. He was the last Walachian prince to remain independent from the Ottoman Empire. He was so scornful of other nations that when two foreign ambassadors refused to doff their hats to him, he had the hats nailed to their heads. He was opposed to the Orthodox and Roman Catholic churches because he thought foreigners, operating through the churches, had too much power in Walachia. He tried to prevent foreign merchants from taking business away from his citizens. If merchants disobeyed his trade laws, they were, of course, impaled.
Dracula created a very severe moral code for the citizens of Walachia. You can guess what happened to anyone who broke the code. Thieves were impaled, even liars were impaled. Naturally there wasn't a lot of crime in Walachia during his reign.
To prove how well his laws worked, Dracula had a gold cup placed in a public square. Anyone who wanted to could drink from the cup, but no one was allowed to take it out of the square. No one did.
A visiting merchant once left his money outside all night, thinking that it would be safe because of Dracula's strict policies. To his surprise, some of his coins were stolen. He complained to Dracula, who promptly issued a proclamation that the money must be returned or the city would be destroyed. That night Dracula secretly had the missing money, plus one extra coin, returned to the merchant. The next morning the merchant counted the money and found it had been returned. He told Dracula about this, and mentioned the extra coin. Dracula replied that the thief had been caught and would be impaled. And if the merchant hadn't mentioned the extra coin, he would have been impaled, too.
Dracula Overthrown
In 1462 Dracula attacked the Turks to drive them out of the Danube River valley. Sultan Mehmed II retaliated by invading Walachia with an army three times larger than Dracula's. Dracula was forced to retreat to his capital, Tirgoviste. He burned his own villages and poisoned wells on the way so that the Turkish army wouldn't have any food or water.
When the sultan reached Tirgoviste, he saw a terrifying scene, remembered in history as "the Forest of the Impaled." There, outside the city, were 20,000 Turkish prisoners, all impaled. The sultan's officers were too scared to go on - Dracula had won again.
Although the sultan retreated, Dracula's little brother Radu did not. The Turks had provided him with an army in hopes that he could seize Dracula's throne. Many of Dracula's boyars abandoned him to join Radu. Radu's army pursued Dracula to his fortress at Poenari. Dracula's wife was so frightened that she threw herself from the upper battlements. The Turks seized the castle, but Dracula managed to escape through a secret tunnel. There were still some peasants around he hadn't impaled, and they helped him flee from Walachia.
He went to the new king of Hungary, Matthias Corvinus, for help. Instead the king had him imprisoned in a tower. Dracula remained in Hungary while Radu ruled Walachia as a puppet for the Turks. After the first four years he was allowed to move into a house. He became a Catholic to please the Catholic Hungarians. He ingratiated himself with the Hungarian royal family, and even married one of its members (possibly the king's cousin).
But he was still the same old Dracula. He impaled rats and birds for fun. Once a thief broke into his house and a Hungarian captain followed him to arrest him. Dracula didn't kill the thief - he killed the officer. Why? Because the officer was a gentleman, and should have known not to enter a house uninvited.
The Death of Dracula
In 1473, Dracula's brother Radu lost the Walachian throne to a member of the Danesti clan, Basarab the Old. Radu died of syphilis in January of 1475, and in 1476 Dracula invaded Walachia with the help of Moldavia and Transylvania. They drove Basarab out of the country, and Dracula again became Walachia's prince. Most of Dracula's army then went home to Transylvania.
The Turks attacked a few months later. Dracula was killed while fighting near Bucharest in December 1476. Some say he died at the hands of a Turkish assassin posing as a servant, or that he was accidentally killed on the battlefield by his own men because he had disguised himself as a Turk to confuse the enemy. The sultan displayed Dracula's head on a pike in Constantinople to prove that he was dead. His body was buried at the island monastery of Snagov, which he had patronized. But excavations in 1931 failed to turn up any sign of his coffin!
Books you may find of interest on this topic:
Dracula: Prince of Many Faces: His Life and Times by Radu R. Florescu and Raymond T. McNally is a chilling biography of Vlad Dracula.
In Search of Dracula: The History of Dracula and Vampires, also by Raymond T. McNally and Radu Florescu. This book explains the connections between the real Dracula and Bram Stoker's fictional vampire.
Vlad the Impaler: In Search of the Real Dracula by M. J. Trow. Was Dracula a heroic freedom fighter or a bloodthirsty mass-murderer? This biography peels back the layers of myth and history to reveal the the real Vlad the Impaler.
Vlad III Dracula: The Life and Times of the Historical Dracula by Kurt W. Treptow. A scholarly biography. Out of print, but available from Alibris.
Bram Stoker's Dracula
Dracula by Bram Stoker. The 1897 novel that immortalized Dracula.
Dracula: Sense and Nonsense by Elizabeth Miller. The author, an expert on Bram Stoker's novel, believes Stoker did not base his Dracula character on Vlad the Impaler. Sometimes available from Alibris.
Other Novels
Dracula, the Son of the Dragon by Neal John Iacono. A novel about Vlad the Impaler.
The Historian by Elizabeth Kostova. A modern girl embarks on a harrowing journey across Europe to find history's most legendary fiend: Dracula.
Covenant With the Vampire: The Diaries of the Family Dracul by Jeanne Kalogridis. The first in a trilogy of novels about a fictional descendant of the real Prince Dracula who uncovers the secrets of his family's past.
Children of the Vampire: The Diaries of the Family Dracul by Jeanne Kalogridis is the sequel to Covenant With the Vampire. Dracula's descendant continues his battle with his evil ancestor.
Lord of the Vampires is the final book in Jeanne Kalogridis's Diaries of the Family Dracul trilogy.
Vlad Dracula: The Dragon Prince by Michael Augustyn is a novel about the real Dracula.
Vlad by Melodie Romeo. Another fictionalized account of the real Vlad Dracula's life.
Now...can't we all just get along....
i always like the legend i herd about how they would put stings attached to bells in the graves so if the bell rang during the day they burried someone alive and they would dig them up but if it rang at night then it was a vampire and they would leave them.............its sad really to think how many bells rang at night and those people died from being burried alive.........
it is curious how Dracula is seen as the "godfather of all vampires", and there is very little mention of Elizbeth Bathory - often nicknamed Countess Dracula. she was a real Countess who was sentenced to dath for murdering several virgins because she believed their blood kept her young. interestingly, she shared the same family crest as the Draculas.
Also, strange that the fictional Dracula has become so iconic, when Sheridan Le Fanus "Carmilla" was published earlier. as you may guess from my screen name, i'm a big fan of Le Fanu's creation.
We are all talking about legends about the vampires themselves. What about the legends that most people believe that will help keep a vampire away. To me the most believable on of those is the wearing of garlic. When you eat garlic the blood sucking mosquitos then don't bother you. I have not done any research on it but that could be where the legends started that garlic could keep a vampire away.
Oh, TegoSanguisitim, thank you! So Dracula was a Vlad? So that's the tale of Vlad? I very much loved that bit of information. The kind of thing I have been waiting for. I feel more confident in my beliefs now and very reasured. I had known only small fragments of the tale. Thank you again, dear friend. I look forward to speaking with you again... -^_^-
The legend of vlad tepest to me is not a legend as he is one of my ancestors...... The vampire legend that sticks out the most in The legend of Lloth
Lloth is a n old vampire legend..... she was reputed to be adams first wife and after causing adams death after leaving the garden of eden god cursed her and she fed off the energy of men that she would seduce in bed...... the is the old world origin of vampires
Ah, I see. Could this be the time God created the vampires possibly?...
That is possible... but then again a legend is only a legend when it is not proven... because then it is either history or a Myth
Thannk you all for posting, and I am very pleased with all the results. :) I have enjoyed reading your opinions, and am very pleased that the ENTIRE Vlad legend was posted on this forum. Thank you all again, and I hope you enjoy posting in the VR forums, and hopefully you'll se more of me in the somewhat near future too, but as of now I have to leave for a couple weeks.
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i find that anne rice seems to have the most realistic vampire legends.
well... their is a differance from being a Vampire and being a Carpathian
Carpathians are able to shift, turn to mist, heal mortal wounds with their saliva and soil
the only way for Carpathian's to become vampires is if they chose to turn into a blood sucking fiend instead of facing the dawn
Vampires kill for pleasure, they slotter innocents, children, men and women without a care in the world
basically... i say that they are one in the same
they both shape-shift, need blood to satisfy their hunger, burn from the sun, and can only die when the heart and body are insinerated in flames
I find anne rice's vampires extreemly believable because if thought about logically we wouldnt believe someone if they told us they were a vampire and wrote a book on it...we would class it as fiction...
I think the actual medical history that started the vampire myths are most interesting.
A more likely physical root of vampirism is catalepsy, a peculiar physical condition associated with epilepsy, schizophrenia and other disorders that affect the central nervous system. During a cataleptic episode, a person essentially freezes up: The muscles become rigid, so that the body is very stiff, and the heart rate and respiration slow down. Someone suffering from acute catalepsy could very well be mistaken for a corpse.Today, doctors have the knowledge and tools to accurately determine whether or not someone is alive, but in the past, people would decide based only on appearance. Embalming was unknown in most of the world until relatively recently, so a body would have been put right in the ground as is. A cataleptic episode can last many hours, even days, which would allow enough time for a burial. When the person came to, he or she might have been able to dig themselves out and return home. If the person did suffer from a psychological disorder, such as schizophrenia, he or she might have exhibited the strange and disturbing behavior associated with vampires.While these conditions might have fueled a fear of the undead, the root causes of vampire lore are most likely psychological rather than physical. Death is one of the most mysterious aspects of life, and all cultures are preoccupied with it to some degree. One way to get a handle on death is to personify it -- to give it some tangible form. At their root, Lamastu, Lilith and similar early vampires are explanations for a terrifying mystery, the sudden death of young children and fetuses in the womb, for example. Vampires also personify the dark side of humanity. Lilith, Lamastu and the other early vampire demonesses are the opposite of the "good wife and mother." Instead of caring for children and honoring a husband, they destroy babies and seduce men. Similarly, undead vampires feed on their family, rather than supporting it. By defining evil through supernatural figures, people can get a better handle on their own evil tendencies -- they externalize them. The appearance of so many vampire-like monsters throughout history, as well as our continued fascination with vampires, demonstrates that this is a universal response to the human condition. It's simply human nature to cast our fears as monsters.
vlad has alwas struck me as something that could have triggered the whole vampire saga.
Why is it no one ever brings up the women in history that were just as evil or blood lusting as alot of men I agree there may be many more men yet there are many women also, I would like to hear and know about them and their history just my 2 cents..... Elizabeth B. was a very blood thirsty indiviual and drank the blood from many a young maidens in her country, she was royality so she could not be put to death yet she was walled up to die....for her bloodlusting crimes... Oh well...
I agree with you biten, too much is put on male vampires. What's up with that? I would love to see more on female vampire.
BLESSED BE
i think that most of the vampire legends are worped by films
vladamier was a true story but humans have turned it totaly around and fucked it all up.... and dracula hahahaha that fucker was just a survent but it was a real story till Hollywood fucked it up too...... look Vlad only impailed peaple who disurved it and Dacula well i have nothing to say about him except FUCK HIM....
yes Elizabeth(Erzs'ebet) Bathory was a real person in history that drank the blood of young girls thinking it kept her young.. well when she finally got caught they bricked her up in her home with only a small place that food and such could be given, supposely she was the most beautiful woman in the area.. I do not know alot about her yet hope to learn more.. so why are the movies only about the men also Other then Queen of the damn? hUmm
Vlad the Impaler, i watched it on the history channel, it was great any thing that has to do with vampire legands interests me
There are so many with actual documented files that even though theyre not well known they are believable.I like the colin grange story.It has many witnesses and sounds like a true vampyre.But as I said theyre are so many...even new ones.I not sure if youve heard about the filmed floating women in brazil who attacked a police officer.He caught part of the attack on his cruisers camera...its fairly recent.
the Baobadh Sidh of Keltic legends were female vampires who would lure men into dancing with them, then drain away their life force, leaving shrivelled husks. as for fictional legends - Carmilla / Mircalla Karnstein was created by Sheridan Le Fanu before Stoker wrote his little tale, and has been given celluloid life many times - particularly by Hammer. and what of the original screen Vamp - Theda Bara? does nobody remember Vampirella and Vampira? there are many oher examples of female vampires in fiction.
Karnstein- I have read of Elizbeth Bathory, she would deffinately have helped along the legend of vampires.
Aside from that, I have seen a bit on tv about Vlad the Impaler, he aided the legends as well I believe.
There are not very many female vampire legends in circulation. Those legends are also not as famous, so not as many people know them to tell them. I know nothing of female vampire legends, but I would like to hear them for a change of pace. Interesting...
Agreed with Empty,
whenever one of us become legend
and then there goes possibility for mortals going to screw it for their own profits! They never learn!
Dracula appears to be the most widely documented and the one that is most talked about.
Much as humans evolve and mutate, likewise applies to others. One does not always need to follow by example to be a predator, as the cycles of creation and destruction are self evident.
Are we talking about legends anymore?... And of course they are always told different or exagerated. Legends, for the most part, begin as rumors or stories and people's imaginative minds from their suspicions as it is...