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Sociopaths and Narcissist are the two most common variety of extreme personality spectrum disoder.

Please share your encounters with these types.

Do you know how to spot them?

How often do you see such behaviour in people online? ( no names).

What have you done to extract yourself from a sociopaths mistreatment?

I had worked Night shift at two Chevrons in California the second one I worked sold their francise to the company, so they remodeled the station and rehired the former employees, then the new guy came barely making it at the four month mark already has 2 write ups. After a break of of manager he gets upped to Assistant Manager and man did be put the ASS in assistant manager, I thought he was just a jerk but turned out he had sabataged his former empoyer and employees by sueing the owner and freezing severance pay. A very manipulative, and ego centric.

Oh he was the reason I quit. Boy did he know how to abuse the little power be had. He got rid of his write-ups, and left the write up I had that was past date for elimination from my file. All in the week if a sub boss.

Unfortunately in my experience Sociopaths are very smart and why most don't catch on to it immediately. I think you mean Narcissist. I consider that to be someone who is self absorbed. I have never met anyone with these diagnoses but some Schizophrenics exhibit narcissistic behaviors especially if they are paranoid with delusions of grandeur. Do you mean most men Dabbler, lol.

Psychopathy (/saɪˈkɒpəθi/) (or sociopathy /ˈsoʊsiəˌpæθi/) is traditionally defined as a personality disorder characterized by enduring antisocial behavior, diminished empathy and remorse, and disinhibited or bold behavior. It may also be defined as a continuous aspect of personality, representing scores on different personality dimensions found throughout the population in varying combinations.

The first two words are basically the same thing. Most distinguish the two in non psychiatric ways considering the psychopath more toward homicidal types of behavior, cruel, cold and volatile and sociopaths as manipulators and lacking empathy. They are basically interchangeable words. I have met people so to speak online that seem this way but not so much in general in everyday life. I think they are drawn to the net because they cannot be seen, so they can remain anonymous to a degree unless they get carried away and make themselves too visible with videos, threats and the like. Just my opinion.

Well worded as usual. There is a degree of difference between a socio and psycho pathic type as you nailed it.

I have dealt with both narcissistic people and sociopaths and psychopathic people in ways. I had family members who were narcissistic and who had been diagnosed as having sociopathic and psychopathic tendencies though they were not full on sociopaths or psychopaths (and in at least on case i believe they were wrongfully diagnosed) it lead to me being able to spot certain behaviors quicker then most would. The one I believe was wrongfully diagnosed was the one that taught me the smaller things to watch out for.

But on the other hand because of my antisocial behavior it is not unusual for people who don't fully understand these personality disorders to label me as sociopathic or psychopathic. Though I do exhibit antisocial behavior mine comes from being on the autism spectrum mixed with social anxiety and a few other disorders.

But with the experience I have with having been around a few and having been wrongfully labeled by people who don't understand differences in different types of personality disorders I do believe that people should be taught more on the subject for many reasons. Not just for the people who are wrongfully outcast-ed but because some of these personality disorders can be dangerous depending on where on the spectrum someone falls and maybe if there was more out there to help someone without them having to take psychology courses then maybe they could protect themselves or notice certain signs that could lead to worse situations later on.

I've only known one diagnosed sociopath. She was a chronic liar and she was hard to deal with, but she was tolerable and sometimes really fun.
I've known a self diagnosed sociopath. She was narcissistic, she was an idiot, she was a hypocrite, she lied, manipulated, and bullied. I don't think she was a sociopath. I just think she was an ass.
Point being, unless you're an absolute twat, I don't care what you are.

my best friend since childhood recently told me that her mothers recent husband has turned out to be a high functioning sociopath. he drained her bank account and savings and almost put her in alot of financial trouble, and yet we all thought he was mr perfect, so nice and sensitive and loving. nope, the therapist also considered that he might have violent tendencies.
none of us saw any of that coming.

I imagine that if I allowed a psychiatrist to analyze me then I would likely be diagonized as a sociopath or a psychopath with malignant narcissism, as it is I don't allow it, evil should not be considered a mental disorder, evil is just as natural as good, its pretty naive and stupid if humans think good is normal and evil is not, of course that is just society talking....not nature.

Sociopaths are merely humans who lack empathy or at least have a limited capacity for it, they know of right or wrong, they just don't feel it. Anti-social behavior comes easy to them.

Psychopaths are similar but are different in a few areas.

They say that Psychopaths are born while Sociopathy is something that is gained due to an unstable childhood.

I find a lot of those types of people on youtube, in different forums, in online games and various types of mmmorpgs through out the internet. I even worked around some and went to school with some in those various different states.

Here is an excellent article written by a renowned researcher of these disorders. So far the post are all relevant, and well stated.

In this article it points out the criteria people/parents say is evidence of a child being an "Indigo child" actually is parallel to the disorders make up.

http://www.cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/psychopath.htm


Behavioral science is still plowing the field of these shifty classifications.

The mask of sanity is something I am familiar with, technically the mask of sanity is not just for the "insane" anyone outside the norm such as terrorists or tyrants will adopt an identity of a normal law abiding human or at least present themselves as affable.

What I see has not been mentioned, is the fact that these are ALL treatable disorders.

Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
Antisocial Personality Disorder.
Borderline Personality Disorder.
Paranoid Personality Disorder.
Schizotypal Personality Disorder.
Schizoid Personality Disorder.
Histrionic Personality Disorder.

There are more, but I can't think of ALL of them off the top of my head LOL! Personality disorders really run the gamut and there is little treatment for it. But they are treatable. If a person truly has a personality disorder, he/she more than likely does not want to continue to suffer the symptoms that come with it. As far as calling people assholes, or narcissists, maybe we could just identify them as persons, instead of identifying them with their disorder. I know that if people were talking about me and constantly saying, borderline, borderline, borderline, it would not make me feel too good. Maybe instead, what we should do, is talk to the people in our lives who suffer from these disorders and offer them the help that they need. If they take it, than that's awesome! They want to change. If they do NOT take the help, than that's on them. Karma is a mother fucker ;)

More than likely the Sociopath is proud of their disposition. What they lack knowingly they often accept as something that makes them superior to people who are restricted by emotions, and guilt. The mass majority of sociopaths don't seek treatment.

Yep, why on earth would a sociopath want a conscience or behaviour control when they have the ultimate freedom? unclouded by remorse or regret, the sociopath and the psychopath can be the perfect predator. If more humans embraced that part of nature, the world would be a better place. Sociopaths make good warriors....good soldiers. Its just a matter of discipline as they can be quite impulsive.

How droll, that guy was amusing but he has a point, it can be supremely annoying when some pompous self-rightous group tries to force their views down your throat.

Individuality is a positive not a negative, why should the world be united under one ideal, one belief when humanity could enjoy them all as individuals, I believe some old views can be damn right petty and weak, and should be done away with completely but there is also some good ones out there that carried strength.

These sociopaths and psychopaths shouldn't be slapped with a label and told they have a mental disorder and then shunned by the cowardly society when they are in fact the superior humans, at least when it comes to freedom and war. a conscience is only useful to a few, ultimately "evil" is the one with perfect clarity.

That was more about Narcissist then Socio, or psychopaths.

That's an excellent video/audio Dabs. I see that happening all the time. I could name names (as far as people who are seen on television), but I won't. Our private chats get all of that out of the way.

I know but I thought I would comment on the other two following the train of topic the IA was talking about....oppression.

Narcissism can be a good survival trait though, due to the whole only looking out for number 1 thing but too much self-involvement blinds you to your surroundings.

I talked to someone who worked with a small child that was a socio - apparently it's quite possible to be able to tell from a young age, which is a bit of an unnerving thing.

We pointed out, the article if I posted it goes into how all the criteria people claim makes their child " indigo" are actually parellele with early signs of sociopathic behaviour, they also go on to state that socio/patho genes are sown far and wide because the fathers are hit, and quit type inseminators. In Dexter the Doc that came in at the end, and in the scene were she talks about some of the traits of socio/ psyco pathy make for dominate sturdy business tyconnes. To a degree as Mordrake points out applied sociopathology may be an evolutionary rung of instict.

Hmm....The subject of Sociopaths and Narcissist....A very good one. Yes, I have known several. Some hide it better than others and their affliction is only exposed over time. There is in fact, one here on Rave( And on other sites I am on as well.) as we speak that I am a 100% sure of. Seeing them for what they are is one thing, getting free of them, quite another.~Mina

There's usually a pronounced difference in Psychopaths and Sociopaths, though they both have antisocial tendencies.
Psychopaths are usually born the way that they are, whereas Sociopaths typically adopt their behavior from past experiences/trauma. Psychopaths lack empathy and are very manipulative, usually able to get away with their dirty work because they've planned out every aspect of it. Sociopaths on the other hand, while manipulative, are prone to bursts of emotion. That's usually how they get into trouble or commit their crimes.

I've known a handful of sociopaths but only one psychopath, and I rank the psychopath as being the most dangerous.
The sociopaths are more or less what you'd expect. The ones that I know behave almost exactly the same. They have an aggrandized self-image and they never really believe that they have done wrong. There's always justification ("I only did that because I was drunk", "If she didnt want me to hit her then she shouldn't have pissed me off", etc). They know they have something wrong with them but to seek help for it would jeopardize their self-image ("Me?! Need help?! I can handle ANYTHING! I'll fix it myself!"). They're also usually prone to paint themselves in as pathetic a light as possible when completely found out. I know one guy who, after it was discovered that he'd been physically abusive with his girlfriend and drained her bank account (she kicked him out when she found out), immediately put on rose colored glasses and literally tried to pass it off that he was the scum of the earth and that he would do anything just to make her happy again. He broke into the apartment and beat her up not even a week later. I'm trying to convince her to press charges to this day.

The psychopath on the other hand...
He reels people in with charm. He's figured out how to play the game, how to make himself look so good that nobody can pass him up. He knows how to control the situation so that even if he doesn't dominate it, he comes out looking like the king of the moment. Once he pulls people in, he breaks them down until they are completely subservient to him. They aren't themselves any longer, as he has essentially reconstructed their identity to fit whatever form it was he wanted (I'm not convinced he's conscious of this). Anyway, he never puts himself in a situation he can't lie himself out of. There's never any evidence. He wouldn't be physically abusive because he understands that he wouldn't be able to justify it. Could he justify it, I don't doubt that he would do it for fun. He has no real friends, only projects that he's working on. He doesn't value them as anything more than pawns, and he often gets them in trouble just to see if they'll become fed up with him. I've seen this happen once, someone became upset after he had misled them and they wound up in jail. To this day I've never seen anyone grovel so effectively while retaining a dignified detachment. They were eating out of his hand later that night after having gone to jail because of him.

In my opinion Psychopaths are more dangerous if only because they try to change who you are. Sociopaths you only worry about if you or someone else gives them power over you.

Good post, psychopaths are unpredictable sometimes, as like most humans there can be variable types of psychopaths with different behaviours with the majority being negative.

The mask of sanity is what most psychopaths use to appear normal, and quite convincingly so. I find them interesting, they appear more alive than most humans but are dead and empty inside. Again, perfect biological weapon.

Sociopathics, Psycopatics, and Narcissist behaviour exists in you and me.

The only difference is...choice of what we let show and when we show it.

*watches for those in denial to start rattling cages in protest

First of all, there is a common misunderstanding when it comes to psychopaths and sociopaths, seen as two different traits or, even worse, as one big unity!
Psychopathic traits can be found in any of us, from our very first conception, if you will... it is called "survival instinct" or "survival of the species" that is innate to each and every one of us.
Sociopaths are the coronation of everything that can go wrong with a human being and, even if there are some theories that try to establish the "innate sociopath", "born sociopath" ("natural born killers"), even if there are some cases documented, (ie serial killers), most of the sociopaths are made by abuse, oppression, violence, isolation, faulty care system and al.
They are the violent, with pure hatred towards all beings, damaged humans...
Psychopaths, the majority of them and those which posses a high intelligence, can be useful to society, can be perfect leaders, doctors, surgeons, psychiatrists, policemen and so on, if they are guided properly and have a certain "rule-book".
Narcisism is just a small item compared to those two and can be considered as the error in education of an over-developped false self-esteem. It can devolve in psychopathic or sociopathic comportaments, though. Narcisistic Psychopathy is a common form amongs psychopathies and often devolves into sociopathy.

Jumping in way late, but here's my experience.

In the early 1980's my parents took in to foster a pair of brothers. One was 3 days older than me, I'll call him Brian. His brother, Sean, was about a 2 years older than me. The boys had some strange habits (like storing food under their beds and literally smearing crap on the walls).

My parents tried and tries to teach these boys that they were loved, had a home, and were safe.

What we didn't know by ages 2 & 4 they had been starved and beaten by their drug using bio parents. They had witnessed their father rape some one at knife point. They same unspeakable violence at such early ages, forever damaging them and their minds.

By 8 years of age, Brian was diagnosed as a sociopath.
By 11 years of age Sean was schizophrenic and had already raped numerous children

DSS or whatever they want to call themselves has been dropping the ball on children in need for decades.

My parents could not handle the boys and placed them back into care of the State. They were separated and Brian was institutionalized.

From my experience these conditions, personality disorders, whatever occur when babies are abused or traumatized.

1. Are you superficially charming and intelligent? - The sociopath would answer yes.

2. Do you have delusions or other signs of irrational thinking?

For sociopaths, the answer is no. They're super-rational, coldly so.

3. Are you overly nervous, or do you have other neuroses?

Sociopaths are rarely nervous or anxious. They aren't scared of risk.

4. Are you reliable?
Sociopaths are unreliable.

5. Do you tell lies or say insincere things?

Sociopaths are comfortable not telling the truth when it suits them.

6. Do you feel remorse or shame?

Sociopaths rarely feel guilt.



Here are the top questions the rest are here, the questions are pretty standard on many sites.

http://www.businessinsider.com/questions-that-diagnose-whether-youre-a-sociopath-2013-7#7-is-your-behavior-anti-social-for-no-good-reason-7

The interesting thing however, is that it really is not that simple. While generally speaking sociopaths usually feel no guilt, are impulsive, lack the ability to love or its limited, etc individually, a sociopath can be different in traits than others and often are. Some can feel some emotion though limited (they can like or be fond of people) some can be reliable though their motives would undoubtly be self serving, and some sociopaths, while lacking fear, can restrain themselves out of self-preservation depending on how intelligent they. Some can be insightful too, if only to wonder why they are different to "normal" folk. They mostly still wear the mask of sanity though.

Ted Bundy, case in point - people were very charmed by him. What they lack in emotion, they make up for in their ability to observe, reason, and respond accordingly and swiftly. Very cunning people.

In the hospital you have four patients that need organs, in the waiting room you have a drifter that is a match.. do you do "the unimaginable" to save the four lives?

Me, no - the drifter lives.

But have you heard of the whole button test thing? There was a movie about it and everything. It makes a greater reward for "bad" ethics.

The world is usually run by the governments in the style of "the greater good" hence the constant suffering of mankind.

It proves that Sociopaths/Psychopaths are needed one way or the other for this world.

But all it would take is to convince the drifter he needs a minor procedure and once he's under harvest the organs.

Haha! Very true Dabbler.

It would be incredibly easy to harvest the organs and save four lives at the cost of one. I assume, I'd be met with no resistance and no consequences for having made the decision.

My mind (personally) isn't hard wired that way. To me, fate says 4 die. It was natural selection that their own bodies are no longer capable of supporting their own life. I can not choose 4 over 1 or 1 over 4. If the drifter was aware and consented - it would be a whole different decision for me.

A woman goes to her mother's funeral. At the funeral she meets a man for the first time. They spent all day and night together, she falls madly in love with him. Than never sees him again. 3 months later she kills her sister. Why?

The man was her sister. The sister was transgender and hadn't told the family.

How'd I do?

Wait no, I retract my first answer.

She was hoping the man would show up at her sister's funeral. What a sicko. I guess I fail as a social deviant.

Yep allegedly that is a Profiler question.

Here's the Button Test: (it started off as a Twilight Zone episode)

Arthur and Norma Lewis are slowly descending into abject poverty. One day, they receive a mysterious locked box with a button on it and a note that says Mr. Steward will come visit. Then, just as the note says, a smartly dressed stranger who introduces himself as Steward comes to their door when Arthur is out. He gives Norma the key to the box and explains that, if they press the button, two things will happen: they will receive $200,000 and someone "whom [they] don't know" will die.

After the stranger leaves, the Lewises wonder whether Steward's proposal is genuine, and they agonize over whether to press the button. Norma rationalizes that they could make good use of the money and that the one who dies might be some Chinese peasant or cancer sufferer who is living a miserable life. Arthur takes the side that, since they do not know who will die, pressing the button may cause the death of an innocent baby. They open the box and discover no mechanism inside it—it is simply an empty box with a button on it. The next day, Arthur leaves for work and sees Norma sitting at the kitchen table, her gaze transfixed on the button. At the end of the day, he returns from work and it appears that nothing has changed; Norma is still sitting and concentrating only on the button. The day goes by. Norma and Arthur keep talking about the box, when suddenly Norma decides to push the button.

The next day Mr. Steward returns, takes back the box, and gives them a briefcase with the $200,000. The Lewises are in shock and ask what will happen next. Steward ominously replies that the button will be "reprogrammed" and offered to someone else with the same terms and conditions, adding as he focuses on Norma:

"I can assure you it will be offered to someone whom you don't know."

Wickedly Twilight Zone.

A local radio station presented the case on air, while not revealing the last "twist" line. Almost every caller said they would push the button. I think about 75 callers in all.

I haven't watched the video clip or read many of the comments here.

This is just what I've heard about the subject - which may have been alluded to already:
Sociopaths have/show empathy for a very select few, ie family, friends, while psychopaths don't give a crap about anyone. Both can be narcissists. Damn - I wish I could recall where I read that.

Then again - it may have been brought up already here, so I should take the time to read through this... :p

Those with Malignant Narcissism have been described as the quintessence of evil, my favorite kind of human. good thing about them is that they possess a concept of respect and loyalty to power, so they can respect and admire powerful leaders and obey them, thus they can make good soldiers.

This is from wikipedia:
"Malignant narcissism can be distinguished from psychopathy, according to Kernberg, because of the malignant narcissist's capacity to internalize "both aggressive and idealized superego precursors, leading to the idealization of the aggressive, sadistic features of the pathological grandiose self of these patients". According to Kernberg, the psychopath's paranoid stance against external influences makes him or her unwilling to internalize even the values of the "aggressor", while malignant narcissists "have the capacity to admire powerful people, and can depend on sadistic and powerful but reliable parental images". Malignant narcissists, in contrast to psychopaths, are also said to be capable of developing "some identification with other powerful idealized figures as part of a cohesive 'gang'...which permits at least some loyalty and good object relations to be internalized". "Some of them may present rationalized antisocial behavior - for example, as leaders of sadistic gangs or terrorist groups...with the capacity for loyalty to their own comrades".[9]

Malignant narcissism is highlighted as a key area in the study of mass murder, sexual, and serial murder."


Much better than a common sociopath, as they can work as a team and be reliable, not to say a sociopath cannot but it is rare and generally speaking socios are not loyal or reliable, they are also impulsive and have issues with authority and leaders.

Sociopaths are best viewed from a distance. Psycopaths are difficult when they have episodes and are dangerous as hell, as they aren't as predictable as sociopaths. Sociopaths always do what's most entertaining and will ruin everything if they have the chance. Psycopaths are unpredictable and will do insane things with no pattern. Narcissists are just annoying, so they're easy enough to deal with.
My advice? Avoid Sociopaths, comfort (safe) psycopaths, and ignore narcissists.

That's all new information I've gathered after meeting a new sociopath and a psycopath. Lesson learned: do NOT get romantically or sexually involved with a hardcore drug abusing sociopath.
You would think "duh", but he was very attractive, intelligent and convincing. His sister, the psycopath, is my best friend.

Of course he would be, it is a defining traitof a sociopath, superficial charm and so on. Without a conscience to hold one back, being manipulative is quite easy, especially charming people because you don't care about stringing them along.

Sociopathics, Psycopatics, and Narcissist are just a way of some to be. People like that, you just talk to the right person, and PUFFF, the problem is gone. Got my point!!!!

Well, in my experience, I have a friend whose name I am not mentioning has quite a psychopathic tendency towards life and people. He is quite manipulative and ego-eccentric, quite flat and will take his revenge in any way. He doesn't seem to care about other people and rather uses people to get his own way or pulls the wool over their eyes. But in my opinion he is a good friend to me and treats me differently but he is very violent minded and tends to say stuff like "All children should be decapitated, he wouldn't put up with them for a mere second of his life" This might be because he has a inverted hatred towards children but he might just be a very sick and violent minded person with a lot of issues with life in general. He does what he wants most of the time on mere impulse. Or for instance when something goes badly, it is not his fault at all, it will be his fault but he never takes the blame.

Overall, he has manic and psychopathic tendencies, that's how I knew he was a violent minded person when I saw how he acted in different situations. But really, he is a good friend and to be honest he wouldn't mind me talking about him, as he wouldn't be bothered as I always comment on how he can be very sick in what he says sometimes.

From a clinical stand point Sociopathic, Psychopathic personalities are the same condition with different causes. Psychopaths are born with a chemical imbalance which causes the disorder. Sociopaths are a product of their environment and therefore are the most common of the two.
Narcissist are just usually self absorbed personalities, and will often lack the delusional aspect that other personality disorders present.

As for spotting them... it's complex. Both sociopaths and psychopaths are often highly intelligent and have the verbal skills to match the schemes they concoct pound for pound. This is why serial killers are often so hard to catch because they are meticulous in even the smallest of details. Therefore the only real method to spotting a personality disorder is to fact check. If you suspect someone, allow them to be who they are and check what they present as truth. Look for contradictions and present those to them when warranted as you would any other person you caught in a lie. If they become overly aggressive or point blame at you for pointing out their lie then this maybe signs of a more serious disorder.
Either way their lack of empathy about what they have said or done with be evident and evidence enough for you to know its time to walk away while the getting is good.