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Outside of cults. What are your thoughts on people that suffer delusions supporting each other? We can all argree that people can be very convinced regarding delusions, or hallucinations, right? Do you feel this explains many of the more dominate cults ( and some fringe religions)?

What about those leaders that propagate belief in outright fabricated experiences? What do you feel society as a whole should do to curb the impact of such practices.

How should the delusional be approached regarding their delusion?

I believe that those whom suffer delusions are quite inept at convincing others of what they believe is true in most cases, even if they must fabricate proof of what they perceive to be true - thus, validating their delusions in their own mind. If others believe then, it must in fact, be true, yes?~Mina

I guess it would depend on who was doing the labeling. Some beliefs have thousands of people involved and some millions all based either on faith or experiences similar anecdotally. If one hasn't had these experiences or the same beliefs then the person on the outside would be considered by them to be a skeptic. If the belief or so called delusion is hurting no one then I would say it doesn't matter what you call it, one should mind their own business and let people be is my advice to anyone with a different opinion. Some things cannot be proven either way, they are based on belief on both sides. That's just my opinion of course. Unless they mean to do harm I stay out of that area. There are countless groups labeled cults and many times just for a minor disagreement on some particular idea. Deception is the illusion of someone not in the know or on the outside.

Delusions can only be labeled that if you got proof that its
JUST a delusion.

Cults are based on what you see and hear that is
the same as others,to which they believe that it's
some higher power,to worship.

It's like ..just because you don't see it,dosent
mean its not there.

So,EVERY religion is based off of this.
To be some delusion..Maybe.

Its another word for 'I don't believe it cause i never
seen or heard it..so i think you are making it up,
in a way you can't help it..cause your brain is being
a tard.'
that's what a delusion means. LOL.
Well,
in my case,and probly for others too.

Cults,
though..some go waaaaaay too far.
And do the wrong thing,for what THEY think
is the right reason.

If more then one person hears or sees some
thing alike..and believes in it. Maybe,just maybe
some thing is out there.
But,i doubt anyone really knows what it truly is.

Stop making promises you don’t intend to keep, especially those you make to yourself, for only when you make the decision to bridge the gap between words and actions will you have the power to embrace your power.

Your real power.

So...

These small printed words carry a large message, if you are really listening with your sense of inner-vision.

Any delusion, grand or small, group-oriented or single-hearted, will crumble.

Make the decision to bridge the gap between Your words and Your actions.

But then, there's the easy way out, i.e. what everyone else does, which is talking and no doing.

Be silent in your power but loud with your decision.

Delusions be damned.

My question is, what makes you think they are delusional about whatever they truly believe in?

Some people here toss in religious followers as a "Cult" or anything organized and granted i do see that side of the coin, HOWEVER, if you don't fully understand WHY they are a collective, then why judge?

If you really want to toss religion in the mix, maybe you should first consider why millions that walk the Earth believe in something greater than ourselves. Not to mention all the information the Vatican holds, with it's ancient scrolls that come from various sources even the Library of Alexandria, and books about Jesus, books removed from the Bible itself, and it's many hidden secrets.

Maybe they aren't crazy afterall.

If they aren't harming another, then maybe it's best to leave it be.
A collective is not meant for everyone but it also not anyone's place to say if it is delusional, esp the ones that have no understanding of the spiritual side of things.

Outside of cults. What are your thoughts on people that suffer delusions supporting each other? We can all argree that people can be very convinced regarding delusions, or hallucinations, right? Do you feel this explains many of the more dominate cults ( and some fringe religions)?

What about those leaders that propagate belief in outright fabricated experiences? What do you feel society as a whole should do to curb the impact of such practices.

How should the delusional be approached regarding their delusion?

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1) The only people I am aware of that may be considered in the context of suffering a joint delusion or to suffer delusions supporting each other, would be UFO sightings. There are many articles which can be viewed on the web, (Im not listing any though), I still remain skeptical.

2) Not sure why you continue to reference cults for context in this thread, when you have stated at the beginning of the thread "outside cults"?

3) I am also not aware of any leaders that propagate beliefs in fabricated experiences, and if there where to be, as a member of the public I would expect facts supporting any statements from any credible authority.

4) I do not think there would be a reason to seek out any person whom my opinion of them would be considered to be "delusional" unless I considered them a harm to themselves or others.

Ariel, people generally believe in religion because they need SOME soft of closure to the fact that when you die, you are dead. People need a way to sleep at night.

Mass delusion/psychosis can be in... many different forms. Cults are a great example, especially concerning young children who have been conditioned and groomed to the point where they aren't delusional, but they just literally cannot imagine seeing things from a different way.

Quiet...
You said the fact when you die, you are dead?
Ok where is this FACT you speak of?

Comes from hundreds of thousands of years of there being absolutely no scientific proof that there is no afterlife, honey.

Ok first of all, i'm not your honey and secondly, you are looking at things from a physical viewpoint, not the spiritual one and there's plenty of proof when it comes to an afterlife.....honey.

I said "scientific proof" - if there is no scientific proof, it is not proof. Science deals with everything in our world. Science IS the world and the universe.
If there is no scientific, peer-reviewed journal on it, it is not true. There is no proof, cupcake.

Your problem is that you are being too disrespectful of other people's viewpoints about the subject and obviously you haven't been paying attention to modern science apparently to see they are using science to prove a spiritual side. Afterall, there are gadgets and creations done by scientists that stems from a spiritual curiosity. That cupcake, IS a fact. They were not designed people who DIDN'T believe.

by* people

You have no proof. You have no actual fact in what you post. You literally don't seem to be able to think out of the box - ... and your opinion therefore deserves respect why? If there was stuff that legitimately proved the existence of an afterlife, things that were scientifically viable and world-renowned, it would be astoundingly huge news.
It's not, therefore... *logical leap initiated*

Well Quiet you have no actual proof yourself that no spiritual world exists so what is your point exactly and yes, there is proof....and everything i say is factual but i'm not going to keep posting about this subject because it conflicts with your own mind.

Are we talking like folie a duex? Because that in itself is pretty fascinating.

Not all scientists agree about an afterlife. Now I suppose this one could be discredited but they have done that in the scientific world for years if it is a new idea and most don't want to accept the idea. Science to me is relative. It doesn't exist until they figure out the right way to prove something.

Headline:

"Quantum physics proves that there IS an afterlife, claims scientist"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2503370/Quantum-physics-proves-IS-afterlife-claims-scientist.html

One can consider this man a lunatic or some other name but this is how it starts. Someone persists and after years it is proven. There are still anomalies in the Theory of Evolution. I have a whole book on that. So do we call all the scientists that back this idea delusional? I don't think so. The fact remains we just don't understand a lot of things yet and may never understand them. Skeptics are not going to be the ones to discover anything in new areas of thought because they have decided beforehand there is no merit in it.

"Robert Paul Lanza (born 11 February 1956) is an American medical doctor, scientist, Chief Scientific Officer of Ocata Therapeutics, formerly named Advanced Cell Technology and Adjunct Professor at the Institute for Regenerative Medicine, Wake Forest University School of Medicine.

Lanza was part of the team that cloned the world's first early stage human embryos, as well as the first to successfully generate stem cells from adults using somatic-cell nuclear transfer (therapeutic cloning)." (Wikipedia)

Not exactly a fly-by-night scientist.

As for group delusions and all that rot, I think there is a big difference between that and brainwashing especially if it is related to a fringe religious group. There is one right now in the news teaching very nasty things in regard to women and the Bible and he has an independent denomination. They come and they go.

what becomes of those fringe groups though that is the issue. See they start unchallenged and even said to be harmless when is it too much? When should the protective Separation of church and state umbrella come off a group?

They are always referred to as finge groups and small easily influenced peoples.

The evidence suggests otherwise, human beings are VERY suggestible.

Religious groups, football supporters, protestors, religious people, secret societies, military wings, little clubs in banking, little clubs in Universities and colleges.

Pretty much everyone, that is why advertising is so effective and why Hypnotists can make people Kill or fight Mike Tyson.

We humans all like to think we are above that sort of thing...don't kid yourselves. You are all the same, even those in positions of Power are mostly quite Delusional. You only have to look at Tony Blairs Christmas card to see that ;)

I personally never indulge in such trivia. ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ip1irYWXck&spfreload=10

First Ex stop slipping your crap in with obviously erroneous post that are clearly pointless.

Secondly well stated as usual Asphalt.

" Mina.."I believe that those whom suffer delusions are quite inept at convincing others of what they believe is true in most cases, even if they must fabricate proof of what they perceive to be true - thus, validating their delusions in their own mind. If others believe then, it must in fact, be true, yes?~Mina"

Not clear on your post I am following at first but confused at the end.