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i am hopeing this will get somewhere for there are many people on v.r. with great answers......
ok there are hidden scrolls from the bible that we know nothing about... what can be in them, for them to be hidden from us..... And Does AnyOne Know If There Was Vampires/Ghost Ect Ect While Christ Walked The Earth

The bible was revised too many times, many things were taken out/changed.

But, there might have been, look at the legends and myths, they surely go back to that time as well, and farther.

All the scrolls were accountings of what happened, and supposedly the council that i can't remember the name of right now took out the scrolls that they thought were redundant or repetitive. That's what i heard in some documentary, and i don't believe it for a second. But, none the less, that's what they're supposed to be.

see thats what i dont unerstand if it was repetitive right ? meaning the same as what already has been said.... but if it was something that wasnt approved or meaning to there likeings why would they hide it can it be something so bad that would panic us i mean im sure there are so many questions that people has in mind that others can help a little im curious to others questions as well as mine i need something to kill this curiousty lol

i don't think anyone will ever know what it's all about. like said before it was written by many men and translated many times with things getting misplaced or just omitted.

What i think is interesting is that Mary is supposed to be most beloved by god - and yet they left her gospel out. You would think that the one "most beloved" would have something to say. Things that i wouldn't label as repetitive or unnecessary.

That was actually the Gospel of Mary Magdalene- and she wasn't most loved. She was painted very negatively in the early church, but she was a devoted disciple of Jesus.

It doesn't surprise me she wasn't included- women were not well regarded in those times.

ty stories.... i will surely look them up.... soon as i can... im really not a religiuos person i have not read the bible for any resons but i have heard as well that mary slept with a few men was anything said about this that any one knows of

If there are any hidden scrolls I think they may reveal the part that women played in the begining.........but who knows.

And- some churches still regard her as the old, wrongly accused sinner- but my church holds her in very high regard. We believe her to be one of the biggest catalysts of Christianity. A pioneer. Jesus did appear to her first when rising from the dead.

I'm a Theological Education major :) It's my passion.

Patriarchal societies weren't so fond of strong minded women at that time, that's no secret, so even if they played a bigger part then, like possibly wrote other ghopsels, I doubt we'd hear of them.
Mary Magdalane was just too big to ignore and stamp out.

The scrolls that you may be talking about i think are hidden from us because if the people new about certain things the church might not be around much longer...

If you really study this topic- you'll find women as prophets, women as POPE, and in many major roles. They have been downplayed in history however :(

yes r.k. i have also thought of that as well

I would fathom yes, its not that this world is small, it is that we are kept uninformed, and all real information left to the shadows.

Leave them to their secrets and their lies, in forgotten ruins and dessicated pages. Here in the world we live, if it is to be then won't we be the ones to see it.

perhaps there was such creatures that walked around back then but i believe that in those scrolls are something about judment day
the dates, occurances...the works

The Bible didnt exist until many years after Christs death. The cannon was desided based upon the mood of the people at the time and text were picked to best support the Churches power. The OT has a large number of things which were not included,many did deal with powerful women and also gave more in deoth veiw of God and our relationship to him.

As far as the NT goes yes there are some things tha were left out but from what I have read it doesnt change the overall meaning. I do not support the idea that the "Bible" has been changed some many times that it is incorrect etc. once the Bible was created in its 66 book form after the translation into Latin it stayed the same until the King James Version.

On the question of ghosts, why would time matter if we have them now why wouldnt they exsist then same for Vampires.

noone knows whats on the hidden scrolls except the person that holds them and u gotta wonder if they are keeping something from us whats to say they didnt add anything?

I can't say that there were vamps in Christ's time but there were ghosts..... the scrolls however are thought to be books written by people who gave a different account of things..... one of the books is said to be written by Christ himself and another has been mentioned where the author was Mary Magdalin.... Although it has been awhile and I really need to look some of this stuff up again.... thanks for posting this though.... it's a thinker....

Don’t want to sound rude or antagonistic, the bible was place together to stop the fall of the power called “ The church” it was divided by the three types. They made the system followed now known as the trinity. The information you cant read only contradict what they decided to follow. That’s why they hide it … nothing to do with vampires as I see it

hidden i believe just means lost or forgotten from the original as the bible in early times was changed and much of its originality was changed that is why there are so many different versions of it today.
i believe it was possible that such beings...cultures...societies did exisy in those times but were scarece and hard to find such as the vagabons etc.

From what I Understand, the entire Bible was made up of scrolls written by various people. There have been many editions e-written and like chinese whispers I believe it has changed/altered somewhat over the centuries. It is STILL the most read book, EVER.
As for ghosts, yes of course there were Ghosts back then.. part of the Lords prayer even said "The Holy Ghost"

I don't think that anyone will ever truly know what the hidden scrolls meant. There are too many revisions and too many different versions of the bible.

The bible is missing alot of parts,look at genesis,which talk of adam and eve,before eve,was lilith,but she refused to be under adam,seeing herself as equal to her male counterpart(fare play).god banished her,and turned her into a creature who drank blood.the first true vampire maybe.

are you speaking of the nag hammadi library?

the Vatican has many, many books, hidden away from the public.

LadyEunoia- Mary's gospel was actually left out of the Bible because, for it to be chronologically correct, she her story would have had to come first in the New Testament. They thought that this would make her seem more important than Jesus. So...they just left it out.

The Apocrypha, books not put into the Bible, is easily found, especially with the use of the internet.

i know the davinci code is a work of fiction but you know if you take any of it seriously alot of it does make sense..mary magelene and why men decided the pagan religons were women dominated....didnt want to follow a woman...

i want to thankl you all for the answers you are giveing but heres another thing i was thinking about.....

Ok Say If Right NowI Start Writting A Bible... And I Start Talkjing About A W

(((( SORRY DIDNT MEAN TO SEND THAT I AM GONNA CONTINUE ))))


SAY I START WRITTING A BOOK AND I START TALKING ABOUT A WOMAN NAMED PANTHRA AND HAVE A FEW OF MY FRIENDS ADD A FEW PARAGRAPHS ABOUT ME NOW AFTER WE HIDE THESE SOMEWHERE SO THEY WILL BE SAFE AND SAY MANY YEARS GO BY AND YOU FIND THIS BOOK AND ALL YOU HEAR ABOUT IS HOW POWERFUL PANTHRA WAS AND ALL THE KOOL SHIT SHE CAOULD DO. AND IF YOU BELIEVE IN HER BLABLA WHO SAIS THAT THAT ISNT WHAT HAPPEN WITH JESUS...AND HAS ANYONE EVER SAID THEVE SEEN JESUS `S GHOST

No-one can say for sure if that's not what happened in the case of Jesus.
It's a faith thing. You have to believe that when these guys started hearing "the voice of God" in there head, telling them what to write, and how to find the texts, it wasnt a fluke.

Thing is, Jesus would not be a ghost. He crossed over.

but what about the people who has crossed over as well like our friends /relatives is there something that sais about people crossing over how do we know they do

well men wrote and rewrote the bible so I feel that we will not ever know the true story or the whole story just my opinion

It's really confuzzling and i don't think we will ever know to be honest. Know one knows what is hidden in those scrolls except the person who as hidden them. And i think it must do with Judgement day and furture events that they don't want us to know about. But the Bible has been translated and changed by many people and there are so many different Verions these days it's quite hard to get you head around about what's true or not.
And about the Ghosts, Yes i think there were Ghosts back then, nothing is different bewtween them and now except culture and lifetstyles and even like Minx said about the Lord's Prayer even had something about Ghosts in it.

The hidden scrolls you are referring to are probably the Dead Sea scrolls. These scrolls were hidden literally to preserve standard Jewish texts from invaders. These texts confirm much of the Torah and are not intended to be "new" revelation.

There were accounts of vampires during Christ lifetime from many different cultures. (India, China, and some new world and European sources)

because they want to hide the original truths maybe or maybe they got destroyed..

if there are lost scrolls they are probably lost to time, for the council decided what to put in and keep out. only if some remain we will never know untill they are brought to light away from the churches. than maybe the skips in the bible may be known.

I've heard on several occasions that the Catholics have books stored away. No one has been allowed to look at them because these books would devistate all christian practices as they stand today. Seems that money plays a key role in what people are allowed to know about the hidden, "lost," books.

I know that some of the 'missing' books of bible are not supported by the community or proven to exist in scrolls. Such as the book of Adam and Eve (part I and II. No such wonder that these books are also highly controversial such as Adams repeated suicides in book I.

Those can be found online here:
http://www.hiddenmysteries.com/redir/indexfree.html

The more widely accepted 'lost books' are known as the Apocrypha and are books that are biblical in nature but not believed to be divinely inspired and were therefore left out. One could of course argue like Dan Brown that there were political reasons for this or that this was meant to solidify Constantine's power of the church or some such thing but none of this is completely proven. The Councils of Nicaea are historically known not for this but for decisions related to the nature of Jesus, the Trinity, adoration of icons, and uniting schisms behind single doctrine.

However, the Apocrypha is available for free as well. ProjectGutenberg.org is a site dedicated to storing books with no copyright. You can find the Apocrypha there...well here in fact:

http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/124

hm, i think they are hidden from us because they have the truth about Jesus and that maybe woman werent just slaves or lower being back then. My dad knows a lot of this and pokes holes in the bible(figuratively) and says that there are soo many chapters to the bible missing and that they basically tell that christ was a normal man and that he had a family and all that.
ghost and things when jesus was a live. really not sure.

midnight get more gossip if you can always up to hear more.... as well as all who has responded as well ty for all answers they all are great... now this my sound weired or make no sence but i have to ask. was there any proof that jesus was gods son... wasnt he accused for not be gods son....
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Most of the Apocrypha is included in Catholic Bibles- as well as those Bibles used by other denominations such as mine- Episcopalian. Try the NRSV Bible with Apocrypha.

This really isn't such a 'mystery'.

A lot is taken out of it, I've heard that Jesus roamed around the world in India, and that he belived in ressurection. He practiced a few things while in his travel. And all of the things that are taken out are things Christianity wouldn't approve of, and its said that Wicca was around long before Christianity, a lot of the stuff they do they took form Wicca

I dont know about vampires though

Commandermotherfuck - Wicca is about 60 years old. It's based on some religions like those of druids and other pagans but Wicca itself is definitely not older than Jesus or Christianity.

all the scrolled that needed to be found have been, as for spirits and gost yes there were some during Jesus's presence, as for vampires tho during that time, I highly doubt there was any or any nearby

I have no idea, but frm evidence, there is a strong chance that these scrolls did include vampires and werewolves etc

And besides...where else wud evryone had gotten vampires and werewolf ideas frm to start with? right frm the beginning...where did over existance begin to be acknoldged?

Their are scrolls in the vatican that they will not let any body see, i think it is because on the scrolls their might be passages that say jesus christ was married, and if that is true then the whole christian faith is gone and the vatican would be no more, and i believe he was...

RavenKnight- I think you believe that because of the DaVinci Code. It may or may not be true... but even if it is- it changes nothing, not to me.

In one documentary i saw on the BBC it was said that one of the scrolls contained proof of there being a thirteenth deciple and because she was a woman and jesus' lover/wife/partner the church decided that it wasn't wise to add it to the revised version of the bible also that there could have been some proof to jesus having children by this woman too. i may be wrong about that but it's what was said on the TV (but you know how some people on the TV like to embelish things).

I think you mean the 13th Apostle...there's actually a lot of debate over who all the original 12 apostles were. Only a few of them are considered completely agreed upon.

As to the theory that Mary was both Jesus' wife and the 13th Apostle...there have been documentaries and books written on that theory (including one's before Dan Brown's work) but nothing beyond conjecture to back it up.

thank you Felix i did mean the thirteenth Apostle, sorry my mistake.

Yeah i knw there is no irefutable proof that this is what is in the documents but if it were then it would explaine why the church wouldn't want them published seeing that anything giving woman power in that era was classed as un-natural or witchcraft. (this is my opinion)

I would agree that as the church became more and more patriarchal, it wouldn't do for them to have a female apostle. I also agree that the Vatican has been very secret about everything from finances of the Vatican Bank to ties with fascists like Licio Gelli. Unfortunately, such things will remain mysteries. The last time a Catholic leader decided to shine light on the secrets of the Vatican was as recent as 1978 (Pope John Paul the First) and he died under mysterious circumstances just 33 days into his position and was buried buried without autopsy or toxicology.

There is also the story of Lilith/Lilitu who in one account was supposedly adams first wife/partner but refused to be subserviant and left the garden of eden bringing upon her the wrath of *god* and being made into the Mother of the vampire race or creature of the night. (even though lilith/lilitu was refered to in texts much older than those of the bible...sumarian etc.)

The Councils of Nicea and Carthage and decided what books would be in the Bible. I think they were arond 325 and 390 AD. Many other books that didn't make can be found in a book called "Lost Books of the Bible" - often found in the bargain section of Borders, "The Other Bible - very expensive, and the Nag Hammadi collection - also expensive.

The Catholic Bible and Protetant Bible have a different amount of books called the Apocrypha. Martin Luther didn't accept six books because the originals burned in the great fire in Alexandria in 70 AD and couldn't be validated.

I like this site - Sacred Texts:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/index.htm

There is an online Bible as well as other texts and links to other places.

StoriesITell~
Their is no passage in the bible that sais jesus christ was married, and If jesus christ was married that means that the bible has lies in it, and that changes everything because now you do not know what in the bible is true, false or made up...

StoriesITell~
I am not bashing the bible, i do not have a problem with other religions, as long as i am not harrased by other people because of their religion, all i am saying is if he was married it does change things...

I personally don't think it would change a thing about what his life was all about. Him being married is neither nor there as far as I am concerned.

StoriesITell~
That is your opinion, i have my own opinion, and ill leave it at that...

In order to pull this all back on track, I think that you're both right. For those who look at Christianity as the teachings of Christ (especially those laid out in the Beautitudes about love thy neighbor, judge not lest ye be judged, helping the poorest among you, etc) - marriage would have little affect on those teachings.

However, any book of the bible not IN the bible that put forward a varied or different history about what happened in his life or any other character's life would shock the foundations of church leaders who have used that book as the infallible word of god because it would imply that it was in fact flawed or at least edited without interference by said deity.

now that its already been brought up... i do agree a l;ittle with what raven knight was saying... i didnt bring this topic up so there would be mean verbal back and forths or anything this is something i am very curious about and alot has different meanings and different beliefs i am interested in all and all has rights to believe in what they think ty all for giveing time out for your opinions and beliefs

What i've read about the dead sea scrools is that it is still being translated, but what they think they are so far are earlier. depictions of what christ did. These were writen by someone who followed Jesus and wrote it down as it happened. So its kind of a play by play were this Bible's first translations were 300 yrs after the fact. The legend I like most about Vampirism is about the guy who speared Chist. When his spear entered Christs side first blood, then clear fluid, then death. The legend says that as blood spurted out of Jesus's side the Centurian Tasted it and the devil made him the fist Vampire.

hmm ok, i'll learn latin, find an original version of the bible, spend my life studying it from all different viewpionts imaginable, and get back to you. xD

or maybe i'll just build a time machine and ask those that wrote it.

or maybe i'll wiat till i die, ask god, and tell you what he said in his dreams.

It is my belief that there is a reason for the catholic church deciding to hide these other scrolls away. I believe that the rumour that a scroll written by Jesus himself was actually hidden by the catholic church as when they deciphered it they realised that what he stated would bring the entire idea of god and church down around their heads.

As the catholic church is the richest organisation in existence, this would not be a good thing to happen to them, and they have the power and money to keep something like this a secret.

As for the idea of there being vampyr and ghosts around during the time of jesus. I find this highly likely. The ancient sumerians believed in a species they named the akhkharu who were basically very very very much like our concept of a vampyr.

And as someone else so rightly pointed out, the bible does state that the holy trinity are the father, the son and the holy ghost.

My question is this, however.........

If there was such a thing as god and the devil, then why does god let us war aginst eachother? Is it because he doesn't care? Is he dead? Or is he just an idea created by mankind in an attempt to keep us in check like a shepherd keeps his sheep within the fold?

Mener

thats another good one men ... i wish i could answer that myself for i am curious about that too... thats why i am here lol
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is is something why he lets all this stuff happen..theres so many things that are unexsplainable but why why is it so unexsplainable why are we in this perdicument

The Dead Sea scrolls aren't in Latin but Aramaic I believe though some are likely in Hebrew or other local languages.

I heard arabic also when I say heard I mean

I heard arabic also. When I said Heard I mean T.V. I don't read anymore because of my eyes. So it does'nt mean I was standing behind a wall in Jerusalem listening. I think everything I've read so far has been supposition I don't think anyone used thier time machine to gather thier facts if It sounded like I did I apollogize. As for the legend I got from a guy In a bar in Longbeach California. And I pissed any body off with my comments I'm suprised It usually takes me longer than this. But I thought as a rule even If you think that someones an asshole on this site you aint supposed to tell him. I'm new to this whole web site thing so I don't know what all the translations are a you saying something in a symbol or is supposed to be O.K. Evervesence.

The Dead Sea Scrolls were written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Koine Greek- not a rumor, fact. Look it up :)

Yes that is right, the majority of the scrolls were written in Hebrew, then Aramaic and a few in Greek...

Did hear they were still being translated. The show I seen made it sound like thisas an excuse by the Vatican not to release them. They must all be translated before releasing them so all the facts are in. AT that time only 7 had been translated. Has anyone heard the legend of the centurian or was it a legend that guy in Longbeach created'

that i do not know .. but you talk about translateing... now all the scrolls was not translated yet ?

There were most likely vampires and ghosts around during Christ's time on earth, because people died then too. Ghosts spirits and vampires were very likely around even way back then. :)

The bible was revised too many times, many things were taken out/changed.

But, there might have been, look at the legends and myths, they surely go back to that time as well, and farther.

Actually- as far as the translations are concerned, they are pretty much to the T accurate. Translations 'changing' the meaning is really a fallacy. We know not all books were considered canon and not included- MANY are still accesible, so just read them. Don't get so stuck on the bandwagon that the translations have changed the meaning, they haven't. Why do you think that- because that's what you've heard somewhere? I challenge you to read for yourself and know the facts. That's what I do- but it's my particular field of study.

I actualy found one of those scrolls 2 day's ago on google, i believe i did a google serch on stare way to hell and it showed hidden meaning on the old scripts of the bible it litraly made steps through the page

The bible cant be trusted to give you answers or whatever as its been edited & changed & re-edited way too many times!

Ghosts, spirits vampires etc have always existed...even in christs day & age!!

i totaly agree.....the bible has been changed many times by many people its very confuzing what is true and what is not....but vampires and bloodsukers....etc...they are all true there was a time that all of them was here and walked on the earth.....=]

YES i totally agree i think their are scriptures that were left out for the benefit of the church

and to the second question yes in the bible they do talka boput ghost and spirts

Interesting reading on this subject ............. Lost Scriptures: Books That Did Not Make It into the New Testament
Also look up the dead sea scrolls, more recent findings and translations on the scriptures that did not make it into the bible, the church actually voted of which aspects of jesus' life the people should know, much like our own celeb's in the media today....................... on the subject of deamons etc in jesus' time just read revelations, scary stuff. predictions yes but where did the ideas come from?

well things in the bible have been changed to fit the different ideals that people have, and they have been changed so many times who is to say that more stuff isn't hidden from us besides these scrolls?

Th scrolls i believe hide truths about the bible that contradict it in many ways as for vampires, They walked the earth long before religeon was born.

today i am going to search out the sites that some of you told me where i can go look.... this is driveing me crazy now that i have alot of other peoples opinions and beliefs ahhhhhh ty all and im sure ill be back with more questions

The scrolls that the vatican has must say something bad because if they did not, why not let the public see them, they must be hiding something that they do not want people to see, and if they do not want people to see them then it must go against the bible in some way...

I have heard rumors about the scrolls the vatican is hiding. One in particular stated that the scrolls were proof that Jesus Christ had a child with Mary Magdoline and his blood line still lives on today, but I am not really sure if I believe that. But I guess any thing is possible.

I have also heard that Jesus Christ may have had a child with Mary Magdoline, and that is the types of things that they would want to hide, im not saying they are but it is possible...

I think they were hidden to just keep some "truths" from us. Guess no one will ever really know....

There were ghosts in the days of the Bible. It stands to reason, that if there were ghosts today, why not thousands of years ago as well? There are even parts of the Bible (if you believe the Bible, anyway) where ghosts appeared before individuals.

As for vampires, that's really anybody's guess. There is not now, nor has there ever been (to the best of my knowledge), concrete evidence that vamps ever really existed, but that's a gray area.

well, i have readed the bible and it's like they didn't hardly have anything back then. the scorls was a way to send messages withount having to walk. and number 2. i am not sure about

Imagesinwords - are there not large misunderstandings of actual dogma based on slight variations in translation. I've read that the whole concept of hell and eternal punishment is due to mistranslations of both hell from a word that means hide or bury (sheol) and eternal burning and suffering from a dump where things were destroyed by fire (Gehenna). If you take those two words at their original meanings (sheol and gehenna) you end up not with eternal suffering but quick destruction or straight death and burying. Yet there are still solid numbers of folks who genuinely believe that if you're bad, then god will give you to the devil to torment forever in hellfire like some contractual obligation between the two of them.

I still think that Judis was some form of vampire/demon in the end after he betrayed jesus

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