has anybody here seen any?i saw one once,a silver doughnut shaped one.what do people think they are?
If there were UFO's, I am sure the government could not cover something that big up. It is all covert black ops used by the U.N. facilities. Leave it up to the media to relax the worlds comfort levels by putting stuff like the X-files and Alien Nations on the telly.
I saw something once - with a friend . We watched for 20 minutes - verystrange. there are too many reports all around the world and too many pictures both still and video that show there are things out there! the universe is huge - are you so selfish to think we are the onyl "intelligent" life out there?
I'v been seeing them all my life,on the east Coast The White Mts.In California.Since I live in the Desert and there is a light ordience here(we have lots of observatores)I've seen more.N.Mexico also.I truely believe they are creatures from other worlds.
Well watching stars one night my friends and I watched a strange light that seem to zigzag, change directions, and make 90 degree changes on a whim. If it was an asteriod or meteiorite, then I am sure it would not have moved at the speed and suddeness of this light. So we felt we witnessed a UFO. We believed it and that is all that matters in the long run, what you believe.
Not selfish, just knowledgable. If they were to make contact, they would not "contact the government". They would make themselves known worldwide is my point. Of course we are not alone. Why do you think the other galaxy on Orions belt is there?? The closest galaxy that we know of aside from the Milkyway.
i've seen a lot of things in the sky i can't explain, but i would not like to hazard a guess as to what they were. there are so many stars in our galaxy alone that it is inconceivable that there couldnt be intelligent life out there. of course, that does not mean that UFOs are aliens from another planet. why would they come to this out of the way backwater planet? unless studying other worlds is on their school curriculum, and the state funded ghetto schools only get to study the really crappy slum planets - so they get lumbered with us.
Reminds me a bit of Heavy Metal, and that cartoon with Mel Gibson. Something about Mars.
I have never seen a UFO but it would be interesting to find of if all the ones that have been sighted all over the world are real of fake. Me i am one of the people that sit on the fence prove to me either way that UfOs are real or not.
I have never seen one but I believe that they are out there, there are to many sightngs not to be.
Soulshroude -
Would you openly make yourself public to a new world when you first got there, Knowing the violence and destruction that was capable of the the species that inhabit that world?
No, I think not. As I'm sure anyone would admit, you would want to be a little bit incognito when you first arrived and take a look around first.
Then you offer no repose, simply answered for me...With that sort of reply on the earthly humans behalf, you might be able to understand the thinking of E.T. as to one reason they might not wish to communicate as of yet. Yes, this is considered a touche as an answer.
i think alien races must exists,and prob visited earth at some time in ancient days.there is alot of referances in ancient writing which cannot be explained any other way.maybe they all had an inyerstellar war and thats why they have not been back.
the first earth made flying saucers came from nazi germany and may still exist at the fourth reich base in antarctica.most are american made.a british inventor has recantly started making coanda effect saucers.
We are not the only planet that has life form. The government will not confirm or deny the existence of UFO's. Tp many reports that they have aliens and ships in the military bases in Arizonia. To answer the question yes i have seen UFO's on several occasions
Thankyou for not being a conspirator. Just understanding logic from another individuals perspecitve. At times harshness is a differant reality than some may realize.
As for the U.F.O. topic, explained, or unexplained...Leads to the same result. New and exciting things for the future of mankind.
Could it be possible that vampires came from outter space?
I thought I seen one before but it was nothing but a airplane. I was kinda scared for a second.
I think that todays we cant really determine what we realy saw, with certanty, beacuse, we lack in actuall proof, and the proof it self is extremly difficult to acuire, cuz we lack technical means to acuire it, but I am sure that other beings share this universe with us, even if we are not sure, havent we seen their saucer exactly?
And with all these secret societys operating today, it is even more difficult do understand anything of importance at all, cuz they are doing their best to keep the ppl in the hole!
I do believe that we are not alone in this universe. It is just too big to believe that we could be alone.
well I do believe there are other life forms and ufos out there. Also believe me the Government covers up alot more than the public thinks, I am a daughter of an ex govenment man, is all I will say and yeah anyone who thinks that they cannot hide things as big as ufos is in denial LOL sorry just my experience and opinion.
Anything is posssible plus there are way too many things that are here that we still have yet to explain how they got here .....
Personally I haven't seen one, but I'm sure there is something or someone out there, the universe and galaxys that role into one another and we are the only ones here!!! AS IF..
there is so many sightings around the world.peaking in the late bronze age and then in modern times.
I have never experienced a UFO first hand. But I have to believe that we are not the only living things in existence.
I dont beleive in UFO's because so far there is no clear picture, no clear evidence and all we get is blury things and blury pict..The only alien I would admit they are UFO are the angels as they are define as not being from hearth so they are UFO...lol so aliens...
Other then that I would not unless a clear non edit and non alter pict si shown to me.
Personally I have never seen one and I have no desire to honestly. If a species had to intelligence to get here don't you think that they would consider us to be greatly inferior? Even Steven Hawking has said that he doesn't think that the outcome would be very pleasant for us.
To think that we are alone is sheer arrogance in my opinion. If you look into the size of this great existence it seems very unlikely that we could be the only ones.
Apollo 11: "Those are giant things. No, no, no .... this is not an optical illusion. No one is going to believe this!"
Mission Control (Houston Center): "What...what...what? What the hell is happening? What's wrong with you?"
Apollo 11: “They're here under the surface.”
Mission Control: "What's there? Emission interrupted...interference control calling Apollo II."
Apollo 11: "We saw some visitors. They were there for awhile, observing the instruments."
Mission Control: "Repeat your last information."
Apollo 11: "I say that there were other spaceships. They're lined up on the other side of the crater."
Mission Control: "Repeat...repeat!"
Apollo 11: "Let us sound this orbit a ..... In 625 to5...automatic relay connected...My hands are shaking so badly I can't do anything. Film it? God, if these damned cameras have picked up anything. What then?"
Mission Control: "Have you picked up anything?"
Apollo 11: "I didn't have any film at hand. Three shots of the saucers or whatever they were that were ruining the film."
Mission Control: "Control, control here. Are you on your way? Is the uproar with the U.F.O's. over?
Apollo 11: "They've landed there. There they are and they are watching us."
Mission Control: "The mirrors, the mirrors...have you set them up?"
Apollo 11: "Yes, they're in the right place. But whoever made those space ships surely can come tomorrow and remove them. Over and out."
i havent seen one ..
there a town call pine bush it near where i live there calms to be ufo sighting
all the time there.
i dont know if there true or not
well I believe that anything is possible and there is still alot of unanswered question out there as to how certain thing came to be on this planet ...so ... we will see ...or not LOL!
Walker: "Bogey at 3 o'clock . . . God . . . what is it? My God - it's coming right at us . . ."
NASA: What's there?
Walker: THERE'S NO WAY! Oh God! Get back. MOVE!"
NASA: Endeavour! Endeavour! What . . . explain . . .
Walker: What the . . . where are we? Where is it? Where . . . it's gone IT'S GONE. Not (unintelligible) . . . UFO. Spacecraft . . . huge . . . intelligent . . . OVER THERE!
NASA: Endeavour. Switch . . . NOW!
The tape ends abruptly with what would appear to be a NASA order for Walker to change radio frequency.
According to Kilner, "…the spacecraft was the size of a small city and glowed bright green as it approached the shuttle. At some point during the encounter, the UFO veered off course to avoid a collision.”
I believe they exist and are out there , but I have never seen them . Wish I could .
On a more serious note I'd like to say,that even though I haven't seen any I don't ignore the possibility of their existing.
Something isn't nonexistant because there are no proofs,it might exist but there are simply no proofs.
If say I am eating chocolate and have no proofs of it,does that mean that it's false or I simply don't have any proofs?
That's why I don't ignore the possibility and I also think that many things are hidden from us.
Biblicaly speak (again) There were those things that should "remain hidden for a time"
Well if their are UFO's, I dont think this civilization is ready for meeting other beings from another planet or galaxy.
I thought Mulder proved 'life existed' out there, and that he found the "truth" lol.
Well personally I have never seen a UFO, I have read about them and seen the images.
My personal belief is simple, in all the billions of stars, solar systems and universes... to believe that this planet is the ONLY planet to have intelligent life forms is egotistical in its extreme. Of course there is other life out there, will we ever contact those other life forms who knows, the future is as vast as the universe! But to me to believe other wise is folly.
my friends dad was an ex CIA agent and yes UFOS do exzist the goverment tends to hide these things from the public cause things like this can and will cause hesteria within the world so they choose not to go along with these sightings and just pay off ppl to forgot that they are around!! True facts so he said!!
Ive also seen one when i was younger fishing with my dad we both saw it up closeand personal we froze in one spot then boom it was gone!!
As a scientist for me to believe in alien spaceships would be a serious violation of Occam's razor.
BTW, if those sightings were, they wouldn't be UFOs anymore, right?
Most sightings of unidentified objects - as well as pictures taken - can be easily explained without resorting to aliens ...
they can be explained. but ive seen things not so easy explained by science.
That's where most enthusiast err!
It's not the fact wheter a scientific explaination is easy to achive or not. It's wheter it's possible!
From that point of view there seem to be no unexplainable leftovers, so there...
i've seen plenty of crap in the sky i cant explain...
the government doesnt tell us lotsssss
I believe that they can and do exist. There is no other reason for so much space..there has to be more than us.
I believe there's more to them than most would have us believe (swamp gases and weather balloons). However I've often wondered if they might not be spacecraft so much as time machines... so in the case of the latter, they might not be truly alien to our planet.
I never seen one before in my life, I believe
there are other life forms in the universe,
the government is hiding it from us people to
protect from harm or no knowing the information about them... who knows..right??
I know the government is truthful hiding this UFOs life forms
i read a book once called old soldier in the raj by frank richards who went on to be in WW1.he was part of a patroll in the afghan frontier(it never changes)and one soldier was a very powerfull telepath.one day tow men in black robes appeared and the soldier broke rank and went off with them.two weeks later he came back and siad he had been invited to join a civilisation under the himalayas where they are all telepathic.the other soldiers expected him to be arrested for desertion but he calmly packed his things and walked off and the officers did nothing to stop him.
I come from Bonnybridge in Scotland. Look it up and see why I make no other comment..
Well, this thread is to "discuss" the situation...... So, why not just tell us why?
i had a couple occurances. once when i was in middle school i was getting out to catch my bus and i looked up in the sky and saw a little object swirling around in the air, like a spiral. i knew it wasnt a plane because nothing like that could move like this did. then i went off into the clouds. another time is when i was asleep i woke up and saw an extremely bright light coming from my window. i was half asleep cuz it was 4am. anywho, i tried to move but i was in a paralyzed state. after about 15 seconds of trying to squirm around i finally broke free. i think i was abducted that night.
ive never seen a real ufo so i belive.....
THEIR NOT REAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just because you can't see something, doesn't mean it's not real.
Poor example, BUT, you can't see air, yet, you are able to breathe.
tere has been too many reliable people that have seen them and everytime the government throws it aside as myth thats wrong i think
Excallent call Neinmortlan.And guess what..it is pretty much explainable scientifically too.
I personally don't believe that's why I didn't comment, but Bonnybridge is the second only to Roswell in ufo spottings its been said. Our local *ahem* mp wants to twin our town with Roswell and make a UFO info center.
Well SarraS keep an eye on the nature of majick thread..I had fully intended to include and will be going into the physics and the possiblity/probabilities of time travel very soon.I would post it here,but there is far too much and I am saving it for the thread.
But think about this in the meantime.. 100 years ago if anyone to have seen a jet in the skies,what do you think would have come to their minds?
In no way,would they have ever thought it possible that man would move on to develop the technologies that they have.
And on a last note..in time travel there are supposed paradoxs.caused when someone in the future interferes with one thing or another that is happening in the present.Do you not think that that reason alone could account for the lack of interaction on the "ufo's" behalf?
i have seen many things over the years that could be.... but im unsure
Sorry, I AM a physicist. And your idea of time-travel sounds nice but it won't work that way...
in the 19th centuary there was airships over kansas,lomg before the wright brothers invented the flying machine and one stopped at a farm and asked for some water and the pilot said his name was wilson
My friend and his mother supposedly saw a UFO. I personally have never had a UFO sighting. I don't think they're real.
ok well their is always something to say about on this subject regardless if you believe in them.lol But its true that they wouldn't be called UFO's anymore but unidentified object.
I beleive pretty much everything can be explain and waht cannot will be sooner then we think...I mean we taugh the moon was made fo cheese....and its obviously not.
we are taught all sorts of things at school which are not reall cos the state needs to preserve the myth.which are lies,but enables the sate to mantaine controll of its slave population.
And btw SarraS? In all fairness,you cannot say that my ideas of time travel would not work..you have no clue as to what they even are.
And you might very well be a physics man..let me just say,you arent the only one here who is into it,and it just might be possible that you are simply stuck in the box.Happens all the time.
SarraS
You might as well go read up on the Cat in the Box, Schrodinger had a point. Did the cat still exist in some alternate state not dead?
There is a book you might be interested in reading. Rob Bryanton wrote it, called Imagining the tenth dimension.
Theoretically if you move faster the speed of light, time becomes fluid, and all things are possible at that point. If you could slow yourself from this speed, while all of your DNA is still intact, then you could step through time on that respect.
Despite the heavy level of energy that would generate not to mention cause something of a black hole. One could theoretically concieve of it, in a vaccum situation, so one could from space, travel through such a state, then return to earth centuries earlier or later then one started as they moved through the temporal liquid. Even though it appears as though they are standind still.
There is also the question of does the past exist? when each moment of the past is what we concieve of as the present. Where there is still the oppertunity to progress to the next step, does not the past cease to be?
If that were the case then wouldn't it be impossible to remember anything like how the rock is a rock today, as it was yesterday, not acting anydifferent, not learning, just being as a rock? However in physics this is not possible. All is doing, there is no being. So to exist before doing is not possible, as to do so would be to question and seek to travel back to the moment where the Box was opened to find the cat still alive, The box may never had a cat in it..
So UFOs...being unidentified, would remain unidentified as the conception behind them remains until there is more then photographic evidence a spacial vaccum as best described as those that have been observed by the Russian scientists.
LOL rent fire in the sky then tell me UFOS dont exzist true story ok.
I've seen objects in the sky that i can't identify as normal aircraft and i've never found a satisfactory explaination for the things i've seen.
I would not at all be suprised if the 'objects' we're seeing r vistors from another world just curious and cking us out while erring on the side of caution as anyone who who watches this planet for more than 5 mins would notice humans are most definely violent and scared of what they do not understand and tend to destroy what they don't understand.
And finally i think it would be complete madness to think out of the entire universe this little planet would be the only one to support 'inteligent' life, anyone who watches the NASA vid on my profile would be able to see the sheer stupidy of that concenpt.
Folks, I'll try to say this as polite as possible, but:
A. I do not need to know the precise nature of anyone's ideas on time-travel on this forum to know that it will not work. That's not a matter of believing, but of science, and facts...
B. Yes, I know about Schrödingers Cat, being born in the same city, and went to the same university, worked at the same institute for more than a decade. And I also understand the formulae and the concept Old Erwin was trying to get across with his thought experiment. (And it's not applicable in this discussion)
C. Half-knowledge can be dangerous. And it's not the state (who-ever that might be) that keeps one from learning. At least where I come from ... But that might be different elsewhere.
Meh....Your points are other wise lacking. How fortunate for you to have shat in the same place as he did. I would ask then. What would your contributions be? Thus far all I have read are the ramblings of a cranky old scientist, as you so aptly describe yourself as.
Toss something new on this smoldering pile then, and gives us your thoughts as what you know through physics. Shed the light of knowldege to dispell these half-truths. Even though "all truth is but half-truth"
But what is to be found on this smoldering pile?
Citing Schrödinger? Not going to help! There's nothing in his work that would explain UFOs.
Saying: "I haven't seen any, but I believe it's true!" Or, rather: "I've seen some, but I don't believe it's aliens ..."
Doesn't sound to helpful either, or is it?
So, what do you expect to hear?
Perhaps you two should start a new thread on time travel as this thread if for UFO's.
Let's not get away from the main subject here...
I want equations as to the nature of proving that there is no such thing as UFOs, Things that prove nothing could perhaps claim temporal manipulation as something feasible in a logical next step in dimensional travel from point A to point a 10 seconds before.
I would be most curious to see these things.
But my point in bringing up the boxed dead cat is very simple. People say there are. Perhaps for that moment there was before the path shifted and the thing went back on its travel. Science Fiction aside.
There is interesting work by russians where the orbs of color and light that move about by thought manipulation, does bring to some interesting concern about the nature of such things. So carrying on both that there was a temporary laps in the perceptions of space where one folded over another, Where one thing was something, but became something entirely different in the sky, which couldn't possibly be explained by anything else.
It would be nice to see proof. A mathematical one which is correct in its assesment of the situation.
And according to a taped interview by J. L. Ferrando, Major Cooper said: "For many years I have lived with a secret, in a secrecy imposed on all specialists in astronautics. I can now reveal that every day, in the USA, our radar instruments capture objects of form and composition unknown to us. And there are thousands of witness reports and a quantity of documents to prove this, but nobody wants to make them public. Why? Because authority is afraid that people may think of God knows what kind of horrible invaders. So the password still is: We have to avoid panic by all means."
Panic is a good thing, Reminds people why they are alive.....besides, im not so opposed to open war...they are gonna kill themselves eventually, like man has tendancy to do.
"I was furthermore a witness to an extraordinary phenomenon, here on this planet Earth. It happened a few months ago in Florida. There I saw with my own eyes a defined area of ground being consumed by flames, with four indentions left by a flying object which had descended in the middle of a field. Beings had left the craft (there were other traces to prove this). They seemed to have studied topography, they had collected soil samples and, eventually, they returned to where they had come from, disappearing at enormous speed... I happen to know that authority did just about everything to keep this incident from the press and TV, in fear of a panicky reaction from the public."
i do recall seeing one quite some time ago. was almost a rectangular shape and was pretty close to the ground... id say it was hovering bout 150 foot up
Driving one night I saw a green light in the sky that seemed to be able to move in the sky in any direction, and them in the blink of an eye, it was gone faster than i could keep up with...333
I have seen 2 odd phenomena which I have now had explained.
One was a Red Footed Booby doing a wingover just after sunset as the Man'o'war attacked it for it's food a half hour after sunset in the light of a palm tree spotlight.
The second was a rare sunset landing of the space shuttle challenger.
I mean columbia... I get their names mixed up... it was in 2000.
Rule of thumb for UFO's:
If it has any type of wing design it's from HERE!!!
Military experimental aircraft need a form of wing because we have an atmosphere and wind currents. The technology for getting OUTSIDE of the atmosphere is there but is a bit more complicated than they had hoped.
The classic UFO doesn't need a wing type configuration, it's manuvering system is way different than what we can hope to achieve anytime soon.
that's what i fugured, thus so far no know explaination for some of the stuff i've seen except 'tourists' lol
I have sen alot of things I can't understand in the sky. I have looked through the telescope and have seen different looking objects (shapes) that have flashing lights and it was no kind of plane I have ever seen.
I have never seen them but i do believe they exist.Its beyond foolishness to say that U.F.O's don't exist....We are merely a speck in the entire universe and there have been a million references in religious books all over the world...from the bible to the Bhagvad Gita to epics like Mahabharata....I do not believe in religion and i see such books as views and opinions made by people who couldn't understand what was going on and therefore interpretted it in their own way....
I think they exist . My family went to the keys one summer and we were out on the beach at night and we saw three lights in the sky andthen they went to five the next thing we knew they went in different directions then went to one and it took off as fast as it came . Yes I believe .
Well theres a site to go to...abovetopsecret.com...its got a lot of the stuff the government doesnt want you finding out...
Just goes to show:
Took a look at abovetopsecret.com. First larticle was "Fox reporter physically shapeshifting". Looked at the video. Bullsh*t. Get's a prize for the dumbest possible explanation of compression artefacts...
And Kwil:
No wings!

And another one!

apparently they work by sucking in air and the top and blowing it out at the bootom with little jets at the side to push away air and avoiding wind shear.it was how the shirmer saucer worked in 1945.there is a couple of american saucers like the avrocar which dont work well cos they dont spin.yes the one i saw from the trian was a big silver doughnut.there was alot of UFO sitings in north london at the time