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14:37:46 Sep 30 2007
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We've all heard the story, but to refresh your memory, here's the shortened verion from the official website amityvillemurders.com:


In 1977, a runaway bestseller titled The Amityville Horror, written by Jay Anson, took the nation by storm. The promotional copies sent out by the publisher, Prentice Hall, hailed it as “the non‑fiction Exorcist.” The cover carried the subtitle of “A True Story,” while the copyright page read:

The names of several individuals mentioned in this book have been changed to protect their privacy. However, all facts and events, as far as we have been able to verify them, are strictly accurate.

Author Jay Anson undertook the daunting challenge of chronicling George and Kathleen Lutzes' claims that they and their three small children felt threatened from strong supernatural forces while living at 112 Ocean Avenue. Apparently, the family moved into the DeFeo house believing it to be their dream home.

On December 18, 1975, the Lutz family moved into the DeFeo home. Although it had only been 13 months since the DeFeo murders had occurred, the family later claimed at a press conference, “The DeFeo slayings weren’t something that would bother us.”

According to Anson's book, Father Mancusco arrived to bless the family's new home on the same day they moved into it. While the Lutzes unloaded their rented moving van, the Catholic priest entered the house and began his ritual blessing alone. He made his way upstairs to the second floor and entered the northeast bedroom, which had been Marc and John DeFeos’ room.

As he sprinkled holy water around the room and recited a prayer, he heard a loud male voice allegedly say, “Get out!” Although the priest supposedly did not tell the family about the voice, he did warn them about the room, saying, “Don’t use it as a bedroom. Don’t let anyone sleep in there.” According to a Good Housekeeping article, dated April 1977, the Lutzes followed the priest's advice, turning the room into a sewing room.

From the very first night they moved in, the family claimed they felt strange sensations. Anson had written that the family's personality had drastically changed. On one occasion in the book, the young couple beat their children with a strap and large wooden spoon. After moving to the house, the children apparently had become brats.

Purportedly, things worsened over the next few weeks. From the stench of bile to the smell of cheap perfume, the family became increasingly perplexed by the mysterious odors that would emanate from different locations of the house. Black stains appeared on the toilets and could not be lifted even with Clorox. Green slime ran down walls, although there appeared to be no reason or source. Hundreds of flies appeared in the sewing room despite it being the dead of winter. Of course, Anson's crowning moment was an upside down crucifix.

According to Anson, the phenomena then turned physical. Kathy was victimized by unseen touches, which had sometimes forced her to pass out. On the other hand, George would sit hours by the fireplace because he suffered from constant chills. In addition, he would wake up nightly at 3:15 a.m., reasoning that there was a connection between that hour and the hour the DeFeos were killed. In reality, the time of the deaths was never determined by the medical examiner.

As the month progressed, apparently the situation worsened again for the family. Anson reported that George awoke one night to witness his wife transform into a 90‑year‑old hag. The next night, she began levitating off the bed, forcing her husband to grab her before she floated away.

Realizing they needed help, the family contacted the same Catholic priest to ask him to return to perform another blessing. According to Jay Anson's book, the priest had been feeling the aftereffects from the first blessing. Whatever was plaguing the family was also bothering the priest. (See the Catholic Church Speaks Out section.)

After failing to get the priest to return, the family took matters into their own hands. Armed with a crucifix, they walked throughout the house reciting the Lord's Prayer. A chorus of voices erupted in response, asking them, "Will you stop?"

The most incredible part of Anson's story was his claim that the daughter had befriended an invisible, red‑eyed pig named Jodie. "Jodie could not be seen by anyone unless it wanted to. At times it was a little bigger than a teddy bear and other times bigger than the house," George Lutz explained in October 1979 on the TV show "In Search Of," which he served as a consultant and participant for the show.

One night while coming back from the boathouse, Anson had George Lutz witnessing Jodie standing behind his stepdaughter in her bedroom. Kathy Lutz's introduction to her daughter's friend was just as disturbing. On a separate evening, she was startled to see two red eyes peering in through the darkness from the window. Although Anson's version was dramatic, Hollywood's adaptation was simply unbelievable.

The book reported that the malevolent forces caused significant property damage to the house, such as the front door being ripped off its hinges, windows being smashed, banisters being torn from their fittings, damage to the garage door, and water damage from hurricane‑force winds, which local meteorological stations had no record of.

Even their dog, Harry, a malamute‑Labrador mix, supposedly suffered from the strange forces. Although the animal was normally hyper, it had become increasingly lethargic while at the house. One time the dog had almost choked itself because it tried to scale the fence, or so the book would have readers believe.

One of the more chilling events in Anson's book was when George awakened to the sound of a marching band in his living room. He claimed he raced downstairs and entered the room, only to find dead silence and the furniture pushed to one side.

After 28 days in the DeFeo home, the family claimed they could take no more. They grabbed only a few belongings and fled the house, taking shelter at Kathy Lutz's mother's home in nearby Babylon.


Now, some believe in this tale, some don't. What do you all think? Do you believe the whole thing, or pooh-pooh it entirely as a work of fiction, a hoax, or is there certain aspects that you think...yeah, that could happen...

I'm in the latter category. I think there must have been something in it, but it was grossly exaggerated by the media. What are your thoughts?



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lestatsdarkling
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14:45:27 Sep 30 2007
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i beleive that it is true



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14:45:32 Sep 30 2007
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i belive it's real.



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AmeeraBiohazard
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14:51:52 Sep 30 2007
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I believe!
And plus.. There is the house =) and it's really haunted



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winterdarkmoon
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15:03:21 Sep 30 2007
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i believe also



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DeadRosesForDeadHearts
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15:04:56 Sep 30 2007
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I beleive parts of it are true, Though some of it just seem ex-sage-ur-rated...(Excuse the poor spelling)



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15:07:44 Sep 30 2007
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can we go visit?



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Whispersinthewind
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15:12:02 Sep 30 2007
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I believe that in most cases of hauntings such as the case of the amity house, rituals either done before or after the manifestations occur, it would more than likely be of obsure fashion that few would conjure such tales without first doing studies crossreferencing fact from fiction.

Old cultures such as the native americans persisted time and time again, if the ancient spirits were disturbed, hauntings would occur, either this, or summing up of what I stated above, old rituals of dark hearted individuals left energies and open vortex's.

All in all, my point is...I would not deny such manifestations from occuring. Look at most of the haunted sites nowadays.



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MoonRainbow1
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15:20:29 Sep 30 2007
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i believe its real



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RavenSunflower
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15:30:26 Sep 30 2007
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I believe it.
Nothing so far has been able to come close to it, therefore in my mind, it is the real thing.



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Sonneillon
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15:35:19 Sep 30 2007
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I believe this story to be true, however, through the years, I think the media and hollywood have twisted some of the story to make it more entertaining.



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15:53:54 Sep 30 2007
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holliwood enjoys enhancing th efacts to show fixction....I mean lies sells, truth dont



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16:13:42 Sep 30 2007
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I think that it's true



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UrielArnauld
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16:30:33 Sep 30 2007
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I think that it could be true. The details may have been embellished or exaggerated a bit to sell the story though.



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Lightningsking
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16:34:33 Sep 30 2007
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I believe the story to be true, but like all hollywood stories they go to far with them. I have been by the house and as far as I know it still stands to this day.



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17:40:42 Sep 30 2007
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It may or may not interest you all to know that much of the Amityville story is based on the same local legend that inspired the (supposedly true) Poltergeist movie. Both took place on Long Island, at opposite ends.



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17:49:05 Sep 30 2007
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It's one of those that I believe to be true to a certain extent



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17:49:41 Sep 30 2007
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personally i think that the story is true but because of hollywood and the media some aspects have been exaggerated



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17:57:13 Sep 30 2007
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I think it's true. I have been in houses that would effect your mood. And some times make you sick. It's about the energy of the house.



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GoddessTraci
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18:01:34 Sep 30 2007
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I think its true.



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18:05:21 Sep 30 2007
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i think it is true,



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18:10:57 Sep 30 2007
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i believe that some of it is true to



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Kryptick
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18:16:05 Sep 30 2007
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I think it's exaggerated by the media, they exaggerate everything. However, I think parts of it might be true. Though the pig thing is a little strange and didn't fit. lol



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18:20:16 Sep 30 2007
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Jodie - the pig - was supposed to be the demon. It chose an appearance that wouldn't be scary to the little girl that it was trying to get in through.

(But if a giant boar with red eyes had started talking to me when I was 7, i'd have been a little freaked out!)

The disguise would also have worked because lots of little kids have imaginary friends, so Jodie was dismissed as such.



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Carvall
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19:45:03 Sep 30 2007
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I enjoyed the film but doubt if there was any truth in it.



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ShadowSpell
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20:26:46 Sep 30 2007
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It could be real. Has anyone tried interviewing the Lutz family recently? Someone has to still be alive to set the truth straight...



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SatansChild
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20:34:18 Sep 30 2007
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All true -- Been there a few times .



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21:27:06 Sep 30 2007
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I am a total believer and always have been. I am unable to explain why however. It is just a feeling I have.



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22:08:06 Sep 30 2007
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I believe it, I have been to the house when I was about 16



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CelestiaNocturne
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23:33:10 Sep 30 2007
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It could be real, because there is a house, it is haunted, and there were murders that occoured there in 1974 or there abouts. Im sure Hollywood made the story worse, in only the special way Hollywood could lol.



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StarDust30
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01:08:51 Oct 01 2007
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I believe its true . some of the parts sound a little to fr fetched . But I do believe that that house is haunted .



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01:22:47 Oct 01 2007
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I believe most of it happened , that is a house that had 7 people murdered , and that energy and essence is still there . Plus to top it off it was built on an Indian burial ground . The land is what is bad not the house it just that all that energy manifested in it . Yes I believe its haunted and things happened to an extent , but hollywood added more to it then what really went on . I have been in haunted places before so I am a believer cause I myself have seen things that is hard to explain. I have also heard that things still go on in that house , that is one house I would love to go into . Some one should contact Ghost Hunters ( TAPS ) to go there and get the truth .



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Morlock333
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01:25:24 Oct 01 2007
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it is 100% the truth...without question...333



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02:11:32 Oct 01 2007
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I personally believe its a true story, and a bone chilling one at that!



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02:21:51 Oct 01 2007
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I believe that it is a true story.



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02:23:45 Oct 01 2007
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I think there was some thing to it. Were the house not inhabited now, I would love to get my team in there and do some investigating



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I believe that it is a true story!!



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amberwine143
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The son came out and said it was all made up by his stepfather..



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i do beleive that this could happen. eventhe publics perception of what happened is supernatural without people telling them otherwise.



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DevilsConcubine
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I beleive this is true..



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I also believe it was true....



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02:48:15 Oct 01 2007
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True Story



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23:16:37 Oct 01 2007
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I want to go sit in the house myself but i do believe it



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23:20:38 Oct 01 2007
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Wow I didn't expect such a unanimous positive response! Most people i've spoken to about this outside VR are so closed-minded, they just call the whole thing a hoax and refuse to consider any other possibility. Well done you guys!



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23:27:41 Oct 01 2007
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Im with a lot of the people i believe it was true...



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23:34:39 Oct 01 2007
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I believe that some of it is possible. I've seen and heard things. Had odd things happen. Its not like this could NEVER happen. Though some of it may be a little (or a lot) twisted. The only part of the book I couldn't believe, where it was starting to get a little hollywood corny was when they found the door leading to hell. The source of the horrid smells, walls covered in read, flies. That just seems a little outrageous to me. How do you NOT know about a hole to hell in your home?



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23:38:38 Oct 01 2007
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It wasn't actually a hole into hell. It was an uncovered well, which can actually be a source of paranormal activity. I think the red room was supposed to show that satanic activity had gone on sometime in the past, thus bringing the evilness into the house.



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I do not believe.



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I remember reading the book when it came out; which was nearly thirty years ago, so my memories of the book are not vivid.

I am sure at some point I have actually seen a television interview with the real George Lutz -- it was along the lines of that old ABC show "20/20", although I cannot remember exactly. (If you tell me I am nuts and this interview never happened, I really cannot quibble without any hard evidence).

I can recall Lutz saying, during the interview, that stuff did go on -- oozes, noises, smells, poltergeist activity -- but that Anson did exaggerate. For instance, in the book, Lutz grows a beard and grows his hair long. At some point, he goes to the local library and gets news clippings about the murders. He is shocked to realize that the news photo of the murderer looks just like him. In the interview, George Lutz said that did not happen. But he did corroborate the house was haunted and the family got out of there
in a hurry.



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I do believe that something is in the house. spirit or poltrigest. many stories seem to flow from this house from different sources.



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well anything is possible and many have believed it tobe true over the years, so sure why not?....



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I used to live in that neighbor hood! lol!!! it was interesting indeed!!! I believe the old stories.



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lol! oops forgot to add the man hunt story I should probably share!!!lol!!!
a couple of friends and I played a while ago on the property at around the time that the incident had happened after Halloween, a lot of things freaked us out that night anyone, who would like any details on what happened that night message me!!!! I always love telling the story ^_~



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I believe it to be real. Too much about the story just cannot be left to simple rationalization.



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02:51:37 Oct 02 2007
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I wouldn't rule out the possibility of it being real, but personally I don't think it is.



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i think it is true



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loverofdarkness
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I believe it to be true also. But (as always) I think Hollywood over did it just a bit in the movies. But, yes, I do believe it is true.



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WomanOfHeart
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I think it's a huge hoax. No one who's lived in that house since has reported anything supernatural or bad happening to them. In fact, they just want to be left alone.

True, the gruesome murders of an entire family happened there. Everything else is just bollocks.



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justalittlelove
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04:18:35 Oct 02 2007
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I beleive it is true



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I believe that the story of the house is true and some what accurate. I however do not believe everything the media has to say about the house. Over the years I am sure that some of the stories have been grossly exaggerated.



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DixieChic
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I have always enjoyed this story and believe that it is true..at least for the most part.



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08:47:47 Oct 02 2007
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I live right by this town... my step sisters family went to school with butch DeFeo
the house is not haunted butch went on a killing spree on his family do to drugs
here is the truth about the Amityville horror house along with the photos of how they where found in ther beds bed ..all info on the truth,i hope you all read it to get the truth the Lutzes that moved in afterwards confessed that it was all a lie that they were saying weird things was happeningin the house they did it for the money

there has been a family in that house for years and years now and they have seen nothing ... they also remodled it so people would stop comng by to look at it.. anyway here is the link

http://www.amityvillemurders.com/defeoportraits.html



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Chaos68
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Thanks for the link, Very interesting read



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14:08:02 Oct 02 2007
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I believe that a lot of it is fabricated or "fluffed" to create a story. I use to live not too far from there and the people that live there know more on the subject than I do ,but the story has grown in bs over the years.



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BillytheJust
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14:16:05 Oct 02 2007
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This topic shows up once in awhile - once in awaile is too much. Its occult status is all Hollywood. You may "believe" what you wish. But there is no discussion.
So, I believe, I'll have another drink.
~ billy



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