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"Myth and Meaning- Cracking the Code of Culture" by Claude Levi-Strauss, anthropologist, is a short gem of a read. It explains myth and history from the anthropologist's point of view. In short, the meaning behind the myth lies not in one telling over another, but rather in the compilation of the writings of the educated.

Vampires have long existed in mythology around the world in varying forms and subsisting off varying elements of blood and life energy. In his book, Levi-Strauss posits that the meaning of myth lies in the telling of stories that are then compiled into writing and from there pass into history and historical accounts.

The story of the vampire has been passed along generations by word of mouth. Several superstitions, several stories with a recurring theme of life being stolen either through the blood or through the life energy itself.

Many accounts retain to this day a superstitious quality and are labeled as "uneducated" or "misinterpretation". But really, are these accounts of myth the beginning of paving the history of the vampire?

Has Hollywood irreversibly changed the way that myth passes into history? And is this why the vampire receives such little credence? Or is vampire mythology never meant to have more than an implied meaning with no basis in truth? Are the accounts of real life vampirism enough to support the passage of myth into meaning?

What I want here is a discussion on how you believe the myth of the vampire stands up to the test of the modern age of science. For eons past, mankind has passed myth into history and through history has the original myth been given meaning. We all know that the victor writes the historical account at the end of the day.

Do vampires exist merely because enough people have written their account of personal vampirism, or does it remain merely an archetype? Or, has the myth of the vampire never stood a real chance at passing into historical meaning due to the skepticism of modern science?




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Well, certain conditions of the "vampire" such as mental, or physical could deem an individual worthy of such a discription. Though society has yet to actually validate any claims of vampirism since they have no original gene to cross examine subjects with.

Many could claim to have hereditary genes of such, but no amount of testing may prove positive for that unknown gene structure. They may test positive for an unidentified DNA strand, but it would be inconclusive to prove this strand vampiric.

I would agree with the theory that the vampire became popular by the number of authors willing to contribute stories of folklore to the masses. Society marvels at the romantic variable conceived by these authors, since romance seems to be a main course, which largely fits in with the genre of horror being in the top five category of the popular demand.

Even if the story of the vampire did come from generations past folklore, those storytellers did feed the masses with what may have been misconstrude adding colour to the context, just to peak the listeners interest...From something that they had either witnessed or came into contact with that they misunderstood as said creature of the night.



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So, then, does the myth of the vampire have any chance at passing into meaning? In your opinion, SoulShroude, is the vampire fated to only be a myth in movie fashion? Can the historical accounts, which are for the most part compiled on the Internet, win the badge of history and can the vampire gain validity among the masses as something more than an archetypal myth?



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The answer is an unfortunate no. Since credibility is a physical manifestation, the all seeing eye does not coorespond to internet accounts of random occurences. In other words, most of the information from the world wide web is utter poppycock. If I were to say I found a mermaid then photoshop of my wife totally altered then posted it on a well made website with articles included...Would you believe it simply because it was on the internet...

Even if the site were as well known and reputed such as the almighty "Wikipedia"? I think not. But, this is what society has rationalised as quick information for research and cross reference. In my opinion, the world wide web has made a niave lot out of society. Those of whom know what I mean may conjecture the niave comment, but would presume to agree nonetheless.

The truth in my opinion concerning the vampire archtype, simply put is a fancified ghost story much like the boogeyman to romantisize culture with a belief in something they could understand being an unknown but respected entity with attributes only dreamt as well as imagined.

Personally, simply put...I think it is all psychological.



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There are alot of good stories out there about Vampires yet, how do we know seriously that none are real or have not happened? I mean yes there are many historical Warriors that were cannibalistist and Bloodlusted for their enenmies and such, yet how do we know that it is all just books or stories or movies... I mean do you really feel IF they exist that we would actually see them or know them ..I mean they would have to be very intelligent and good at hiding their life from the world, to me anything is posssible until it has been proven not to exist.

I keep an open mind to the whole Universe as to many things are possible due to the fact We cannot explain them or prove them... just an opinion...



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I have seen some unexplainable things and I believe like Shakespeare said, “There are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in your philosophy”



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Great questions and discussion. Let me put my $0.02 worth into the mix:


To my view, before we can begin to discuss whether vampire mythology might have meaning in any other context than that of "uneducated" fiction and superstition, we must first begin by QUESTIONING whether that which we today consider a "vampire" matches that of the original mythology. And when even a cursory examination is done on the original Slavic (Eastern European and Russian) accounts, it becomes glaringly apparent that the actual mythology varies greatly from the blood-drinking, asexual, "undead" creatures of modern Hollywood-esque fiction.

So let's back up a bit first and take a look at what the actual Slavic peoples, even in contemporary times, view as vampiric. Only once we have established WHAT to look for can we then consider any possible relevancy of such myths in the modern world.

In the best great books written on the actual Slavic historical accounts, and as I have outlined well on my own profile page, the Slavic vampire (the one and only actual vampire archetype) was not a daylight or crucifix- fearing creature, did not have fangs, and did not thirst for blood at all. Additionally, it did not feed off of life energy, either. These LATER traits were added by fiction writers and then exploited by Hollywood. So if we're going to examine the mythology for relevancy in today's world... or even attempt to identify fact from mythologic fiction... we must start by first identifying WHO and WHAT the Slavic Vampire was!

While not herself a Slavic scholar or degreed vampirologist, Rosemary Ellen Guiley is still one of the better compilers of the research and original vampire myths of those who are. She has written numerous books on vampires, including my own favorite of hers "The Complete Vampire Companion."

In an online article available to all here, she wrote of how the actual Slavic peoples in contemporary times view vampires... and most telling of all, what they consider even today to be the actual traits of a vampire. And guess what... no blood drinking, no fangs, no fear of crucifixes or daylight, etc., are found there. Instead, the actual Slavic Vampire of true Slavic lore was primarily known for one trait only: their "sexual insatiability."

Here follows an excerpt from the previously mentioned online article:

"Our film and fiction have molded our perceptions of vampires. We think of them as undead and supernaturally powerful people, who perhaps are fabulously wealthy (and attired in French lace), who prowl about at night and drink blood, and who are seductive and always dangerous. But centuries ago, vampires were seen in much different ways. They were the restless dead who stalked the living for sex and life itself. They brought plagues, death and a host of evils, and they behaved more like poltergeists and incubi than Dracula or Lestat."

She then describes how modern-day (20th Century) Slavic peoples view vampires and how the ACTUAL Slavic popular image of the vampire -- based upon the REAL vampire historical accounts -- influenced how criminals in the area acted in portraying "vampires" to get what they wanted.

"... But the most common vampire fraud by far was as a cover for illicit love affairs. It was widely believed that vampires were sexually insatiable and would return from the grave to have sexual relations with their spouses, other family members, and anyone else they could find. Women engaged in affairs who became pregnant passed off their children as the offspring of 'vampire husbands.' Villagers often were too frightened to ask questions or investigate.

One such case in Baja, Serbia (now in Hungary) involved a man who donned a white shroud threaded with bells, a white cap and white socks, and paid nighttime visits to a widow who had just lost her husband... On most nights he was seen at midnight around the home where the widow lived with her in-laws. When he arrived, everyone in the household was so frightened that they fled, leaving just the young widow alone in her bed – but not quaking in fear, as it soon was revealed. After his visits, the vampire would depart with much bell ringing, clanking, loud cries and rattling to imitate noises associated with the walking dead..."


Notice that the villagers, seeing this man dressed in a white sheet, white cap, and white socks, were so convinced he was a vampire that they were "frightened" at his appearance and let him have his way with the widow! Why? Because this is exactly how the actual Slavic people believed vampires really looked and ACTED! No blood drinking, no black capes, no fangs... just an insatiable desire for sex!

Now, to make a long story short (and you can read the entire thing HERE, the "vampire" was eventually discovered to be the woman's secret lover and that they both had conspired to murder the woman's husband. Both were then put to death, themselves.


She then relates an additional example:

"In another case that took place during the Balkan Wars of 1912-1913, a farmer draped himself in a white shirt and white sheet and went round the villages for sexual liaisons with young women, introducing himself as a vampire. One night in the village of Zagradje, peasants chased him with guns and dogs, nearly killing him. Thus ended his career as a vampire."


As evidenced by the fact that such modern-day attempts to impersonate vampires in the Slavic lands were initially successful, this is how the actual vampire lore of Eastern Europe described and understood vampires to be. Thus, before we can even hope to find relevancy in reality of who and what the Slavic Vampire truly is and was... we must first go back and re-examine who and what they really were in the original Slavic accounts.

Until we start recognizing the true traits of the Slavic vampire and start examining the actual historical accounts for factual relevancy instead of foolishly believing the fictions of Hollywood and novelists to be the true vampire lore of history, the entire point to this discussion will forever remain impossible to grasp, much less pursue.



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Personally I think until such time as a person who claims to be a vampire is recognised to be such by scientists ( which I don't imagine will happen soon ) then myth and archetypes is what they shall remain.



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MyrrhkuriTheFallenOne
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I think all myths are based in some sort of fact...People described things the way they seen it...Yes some parts were maybe from lack of education, but throughout history there have been numerous accounts from people seeing there loved ones return after supposedly dead and buried....I don't necessarily believe the "immortal" undead creature as portrayed in the movies exists, but the vampire myth and appeal has definitly become immortal through the generations due to the stories, movies, accounts etc...



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Although there is no real proof vampires exist, DNA, etc. I think they are more than merely a myth. There has to be something there for the legend to have survived all these years. There has to be something that keeps the myth alive and give power to more stories and more theories.



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While there is no proof that vampires exist, there is no proof that they do not exist.

Common sense tells you they do not...yet common sense is a misnomer.

The word common implies that most everyone has this "sense"....we know that very few people actually possess common sense...which makes the people who DO possess common sense the owners of "extraordinary" sense.

Sorry for the rambling...I cannot prove that vampires do not exist...I just prefer to think of it as a myth. The myth never stands a chance at being proven or otherwise.



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Genesis,

I see the modern media industry as just another step in the evolution of any myth. Clichéd as it may be, they are out to make money and will pick up any idea which it seems will sell. Currently, the attention span of the average cinema goer is quite limited, so to gather in the audience, they need more and more extravagant plots and action sequences.

As this moves the myth further and further from reality, it becomes less believable and consequently, I think it actually may be beginning to work in favour of providing legitimacy for those who attempt academic research and discussion of the topic.

It's like separating out the heavier elements in chemistry. Push the bullshit further away and less of it will stick to the reality.

'Real life' accounts are always going to be viewed with scepticism since we live in a fairly pragmatic world. Until irrevocable truth can be provided and examined, vampires will always remain a myth in the wider public consciousness.

In the meantime, a growing alternative sub-culture will come to define their own truths and live their lives according to those beliefs. As it is with any cult or religious sect, a separation from the mainstream occurs and develops it's ideas irrespective of public opinion.

The archetypes will always play an important role, since they represent powerful aspects of human nature that are attractive as a means of developing identity within a relatively new sociological function.

But when those roles are played too heavily, they lose meaning- the individual becomes trapped in a limited set of perceptions, detracting from a 'personalised' account of living as a vampire.



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Interesting and insightful responses.

Stabb, would it be safe to say that the vampire may indeed gain the badge of meaning as only part of a "sub-culture"? Sub-cultures have their own circles of meaning, and while they may develop their own historical lines (ask the Kheprians or the Vampire Church and they'll both happily give an account of a limited history of the modern vampire), they are far different from any sort of mainstream culture.

As such, there may be a time where the vampire instead merely passes into legend, retaining little more credence than the boogeyman.

Again, it begs the question, can the vampire myth ultimately gain meaningful existence as its history is recorded by a sub-culture? Or is the reality of the few nothing more than the boogeyman of the masses? It can't be discounted that a vast majority of counter-culture / sub-culture will eventually drive their personal vampire into extinction as they embrace newer levels of reality.

Will the vampire remain a personal archetypal choice, or will the creature be recognized as a "sub-species" of human? And what is the method by which one ascribes to one reality or the other?



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Genesis,

As those groups are allowed to develop, they will grow into more complex systems of belief. Whilst the myth still provides and avenue for 'the masses' to retain their interest, they will still come looking for 'the truth'.

In the two histories that you mention, both proclaim an advantage of regressed memory inheritance, which in theory provides them with the means to continue to recreate their groups time and again.

While it may never become something which is accepted in a broad social context, the inference is that it will always have an outlet to recur throughout humanity's existence.

Having it's position alongside monsters and demons, the vampire will always be the 'boogyman' to someone, and since it's idea has many metaphors and fears associated with it, the core form would seem to be a template which can be reshaped by the group consciousness as required.

Perhaps as you say, new ideas will leave the standard archetypes behind, but given a hundred years, some people ascribing to the same identity will inevitably look for older, more 'legitimate' concepts, as the modernists try to reconstruct them into an image more suitable for their needs.

I can't see a means currently for vampires to be categorised as another species of human, but we as beings are at a stage of potentially rapid evolution. As the population and knowledge grows, the human form will have the opportunity to diverge from it's norm and perhaps then, vampires might become a separate 'line'.



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Not sure if defining the limits of a mythos and the "reality" of practicing vampirism was the intent of your original question, but judging from Stabb's response, that seems to be the direction of this thread.

Is it that you seek credibility beyond the mythology?



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There are alot of vampire lore out there. How do you determined the ones that really happened to the ones that are just myth... There seems to be a credibility issue. I am not making a judgement here. But most of the stories you read are just that myth.



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Wow all I can say is well put Stabb, very interesting writting and something to think about.



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Stabb: well said.

I believe, as one who identifies with the Kheprians (but is not Kheprian), that the vampire is indeed held in the memory of the spirit. As such, it is one part of the whole and is an undeniable facet of the individual.

Sticking with the topic at hand, I would state that the myth of the vampire will always remain a myth to those that aren't and is factual history to those that are.

Maybe I'm just dreaming that one day the world would see and acknowledge the existence of the vampire. Maybe not so much as a subspecies of the human race... but as something more than a mere archetype or anecdotal oddity of the personality.



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Vampires exist because of peoples belief in them, like with all things that have been created on purpose.

Whether vampires are real or not is subjective.



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Well vampires are not going to suddenly come into existance simply because you wish them to. Hell, if that were the case, I am wishing Sawyer from LOST to appear in my bed tonight. I am wishing it real hard!



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Funny point Jamie but true , very true.. *ponders and wishes* If only Kyle schmid would appear in my room. lol



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