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Is it possible that if there is an excorcism performed and the place of exorcism is not blessed afterwards, that the demon can remain there and terrorize the people that live there?




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I don't believe so. I believe that once exorcised the demon is supposedly vanquished. It's quite possible that some priests would bless an area after an exorcism, but I don't remember ever seeing anything about it being a requirement.



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Absolutely. Which is one reason why we keep limits on the number of people who can attend an exorcism. In some cases even after a blessing the area can remain possessed. Exorcisms are rather tricky things at times especially when dealing with locations, not just people.



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I believe that it can stay there. The demon isteslf is only ejected from the person and not the surroundings... so i beleive that that they can linger there.



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A demon if the place is not blessed can enter another. There always should be prayer before and blessing of the entire home afterwards or where ever it was held.



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I totally agree, mysticwinds. You want to do all you can to cleanse the place. This is an interesting topic for me, as I've got short stories floating in my head about demonic attacks and possessions that I need to write down. Thanks, all!



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My main reason for posting this is when my daughter was 2 I was a resident manager of a homeless shelter and the priests that ran the place brought in a girl off the streets and she was apparently possessed and they performed and excorcism and did not do any form of blessing afterwards. My daughter was terrorized . we moved out of there But she saw strange things and wierd things happened.



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Catholic excorsists and zionist exorcisms only adress the soul afflicted by the exorcism.

They do not work on the location. They do not protect the people preforming them.

Only the priest is protected by his "faith" if that wavers then there is nothing but open territory for the things to come at you on.

There is a bigger mess when a typical exorcism has been preformed then if one is done by a proper elemental or celestial force.



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I have always believed that after a demon was exorcised from someone that it was sent back to hell. I guess it could be possible for the demon to hang around after the exorcism but I am sure that it would be dealt with soon.



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Isn't it possible for a demon which has been exorcised the enter someone else in the room? There must be some sort of ritual to prevent that.



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I believe it can stay there, that is why after the demon is banished the area needs to be cleansed



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There are pleanty of things to prevent that.

But mostly its up to said exorcist knowing what they are doing, and what they are dealing with, which will allow for the types of mess which is left to clean up.

Its a imputent exorcist who banishes the spirit from one body only to have it possess another, or even themselves. They deserve what they get for being stupid.



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I agree with you Infernalmage.

There are alot of steps to prevent these things from happening, but the persons or persons performing the excorcism only do it half assed..sure they excrete the demon from the body, but the demon still remains in the surroundings afterwards unles the proper steps are done in order for the demon to be driven out completely.



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The rebuke a Demon from a person does not always keep it from still being in the presence of the home or place where it took place. It just has rebuked it from the person that is possessed so I myself would hope that they would also bless the home or place where it is taking place as well .. I would rather be safe than sorry.



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Having never been attacked I couldn't tell you first hand. What I have learned though, is that , generally, the "Demon" or "Evil spirit" is banished, so that particular one can't come back. However demonic presences leave a sort of "signature" if you will. sort of like marking their territory. If no blessing is performed, it can act like a magnet for more negative energy, or even a different demonic presence.



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Personally id like to see one for real as I think it’s just abuse of weak willed or mentally unstable people getting attention finally or doing there own sacrifice to give value to a belief not proven ie daemons.
If a portal has been made I don’t see how you can close it?



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I would have to disagree with you that is just the weak willed and unstable people that get to witness these kinds of these. My daughter was just a baby.



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I was not aware a baby was able to be possessed and I would call the police if anyone thought your baby was as possible abuse of a most disturbing nature



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Well for one she was 2 years old and she was not possessed. I posted in here about what happened. She was seeing things and things were happening in the home. The minute all this wierd stuff had started happening I took my children and moved out and went and stayed with my father. And for that matter one of the people that knew what was going on was a police officer.



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Sorry thought this post was about possessed n if it needs to be done on the rest of the home???
No offence but I do worry about priests n kids n so forth



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I understand what you are saying. The girl that was possessed was around 18 I think is how old she was it was along time ago.. My daughter was 2 and now she is 14... The excorcism was performed and then that was pretty much it and i was curious as if the demon could be in the home and that could have been what was happening that my child was seeing strange things and all kinds of wierd stuff was happening.



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In regards to the "weak willed" one would have to have to have more than that in cases where they have been tossed 15 to 20 across a room, or other cases where the "possessed" would lift people twice their size and toss them around like rag dolls. No, I have not seen this first hand, but after 20 years of avid interest & study on the subject I have come across enough case studies to be confident they have merit.



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So what weird things happened?



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She would see Dogs, Snakes and Rats coming out the ceilings and walls. She saw a man in the hallway and she told me he had blood on his hands and was offering her candy... And things got moved around. Appliances would come on by themselves. Things we used often would just disappear. Doors would open and close on their own.



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Interesting for sure… and odd.
Did the priest say which of the legion it was?



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No I didnt ask him and I wasnt sticking around to find out. I packed up my stuff and took my girls and went and stayed with my Daddy.



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Shame …. I work with such beings and would like to know who is out n about for channeling work



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Who knows. I thought though, that it was gone after that? I don't know if I believe in exorcism/possession exists anyway. I know people appear all crazy and shit, but over zealous finatics do that when they get all worked up.



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I don't believe in Demonic attack unless it can be seen with the naked eye. But I also have to agree with Greusometendency in his findings he he usually pretty accurate on things like this and other things that are supernatural.



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Yes I belive it the area is not cleansed that the Demonic spirt can stay and attack but it will uslly find another host to do so



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i am not sure if thats true since if there was a demon,entity there that was banished it should not be able to come back but,but i do think it does leave a certain type of energy that would be welcoming to other infernal entities.



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I think maybe the demon may have the chance to jump into another host if the area isn't blessed, it'd linger?



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I don't know much about this idea of demon possession nad the ceremony of extracting a demon from it's host but i would imagine that after an excorsim is preformed and the demon has either found another host or has been captured in some sort of vesel and brought away from the house it's gone and there is no more to worrie about.



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I also believe that being possessed is more than being of "weak minded" persons. I mean there are proven facts of very intelligent and strong minded people becoming possessed and I guess many will not believe unless theu actually see the poor person going through such an ordeal.

I do believe in the fact that weak minded people can be easier possessed, due to the fact no will to fight back. yet myself I hope not to ever have to go through it. I have seen mean ass spirits / ghost and well possession is a much more terrible thing.

I also feel that the home or area that a possession takes place should be cleansed / blessed as well to be sure that the source has left the place and not lurking to take over another innocent victim.

Sorry about your little girl going through that yet I am glad she is ok. :)



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I’ve often heard that the person possessed was chosen for a reason, and that after the spirit being removed it must leave, including the area of the exorcism, I think maybe a demon has a certain amount of pride, after being banished it would leave the area if just out of simple spite for being removed, but who really knows.



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I think that the place should be blessed properly just in case. I don't know where I stand on exorcisms. I believe people can become possessed, but it's not "the power of god" that compels them out. I believe it has to do with the faith of the people attending, which would be another reason for limiting those numbers. I think the demon, or 'spirit', would stay around if it wasn't done properly in the first place but not blessing could be used as an excuse for priests to fall back on for an exorcism gone wrong.



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I have always thought that when the exorcism took place that they would always cleanse the area in which it happened. If they did not do the rites over the area then yes it is possible for the spirit to still be there. Its suprising that they did not do it. I am glad though that you moved your children away from the spirit because not all spirits are safe to be around.



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Zxavier,

Why do you believe a demon can remain there have you ever visited a place with such an entity??






Question has anybody ever been possesed by a demon and then ben released of its hold??

Because if we get somebody who has had it done then maybe they could tell us what happened?? Right??



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Thanks for all the responses I appreciate that . Thanks Zombiepinupgirl, I appreciate your concern for my child. Also I was not going to stick around and take any chances of it getting worse, I would never jeopardize the lives of my babies. And as far as memories. I was amazed that she does remember some of the things that happened and that really shocked me. Since she was so llittle.



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Morbid: Children have a wonderful memory when it comes to things that we didn't think that they would remember. I know at 2 years old my youngest son remembers the abuse that his momma went through at that time. Be glad though that she does remember and that she is still willing to talk to you about because some children will hold those memories inside of them until it hurts.



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Thank you Cheetah. I was really surprised at how much she does remember. And even though it has been so long since this happened to her she still has nightmares and she will come to me and tell me Mom I need to talk about this because it scares me.



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If you cast something out, you need to send it some where else -- or with out a doubt it will stay .



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I'd rather think that if the person who was exorcised wasn't blessed they'd get possessed again -- forget the place of it.



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You would think so but right after they performed what they called an exorcism. They took the girl somewhere else.



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It is my belief that the demon remains until he is sent back to his domain.



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Question: Does the excercism depend on the faith of the people performing it or the person it is being performed on and if so what does one do when one encounters a person that holds no religious beliefs?



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As I see it, this is about belief in part and trauma on the other side. You've got a child who remembers a traumatizing experience in a place that sounds a bit wild. I wasn't aware homeless shelters were big on allowing exorcisms and jumping at the idea of demonic possession but I should really learn to stop being surprised lmao.

In addition to this, her own belief structure may allow for the ideas of demons and religion and that experience at the shelter (witnessing someone possessed being given an exorcism) may have only furthered that belief.

So you've got belief or at least memories of others belief in demons and exorcism coupled with what was no doubt a troubling time and a witness to a traumatic experience. Certainly one could believe that she has been followed in some way by this spirit but just as likely is the fact that she is suffering a form of PTSD or stress related to these memories and it's causing visions that emote her inner turmoil. Soldiers suffering from PTSD have been commonly known to hear gunfire that isnt there or see everyone as enemies or even see the 'ghosts' of their fellow soldiers or enemies.



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I think that they could stay there and continue to terrorize because it wasn't a very good exorcism if they didn't bless the site afterwards. Or it could move to a different place. Or inhabit a different person.



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Felix I dont believe that in a normal situation that a homeless shelter would allow an exorcism. This one was church affiliated and the owner was a Priest. There was actually a sanctuary within the shelter itself and this was were it was performed. It was not only a homeless shelter. It was an Inner City Outreach Centere. We took in transients and people passing through town. We did occasionally take in homeless. But it was also a housing facility for abused women and children . The person that was exorcised was one of the residents at the time.



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i do believe that the demonic spirit is cast out of the body,but not out of the room.i know that im not the expert on this but it is just my belief



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no once exorcised they are gone but if its not blessed after words then the area is opend for more to appear so it can lead to lator problems. At least this is my theroy on the matter.



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JC once said something that I always remember when dealing with any negative, replace it with something positive. Makes sense doesn't it? He actually mentioned that if you were to remove a demon, you would do better to replace with good or an bigger and more dangerous demon would enter to replace the first one! You cannot just leave holes laying around. Makes no different if it is in your mind, or in the ground; you never know who or what may fall in.



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i think it is cause the demon was released in the spot which makes it the demons territory, so to speak.



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Well as stated in previous posts when the rityal was performed it was to remove the demon from the individual so yes it would have to go some where unless it was able to be trapped into something i woud definitly say that yes it would still linger at the location.



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I believe that after the demon is exorcised.. it remains around.. and the person who performed the exorcism must take care of it .. in one way or another.. because the demon is" scared" it may cause more trouble...



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I agree with that about causing trouble because they are afraid.



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Of course a room must be blessed for an exorcism, before and after, or the demon will jump into whomever they choose to be next, if there was no blessing after the exorcism that took place where you were staying, then you were extremely wise to leave



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20:15:14 Jun 22 2008
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i would have to agree as the entity has to go somewhere and i have never heard of anyone capturing one but only casting it out or sending it away though in some magickal practices it is possible to send on in a magick triangle.



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Monotony
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I don't think the demon would be scared, more angry than any thing. I think it would try and harm or posess the person nearest to it just for revenge. I think in order to prevent this they have to bless the room/building the exorcism is taking place in. After the exorcism isn't the demon banished back to hell? Or is it destroyed? I don't see how they could destroy it just by kicking it out of who ever it's posessing.



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20:32:34 Jun 22 2008
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i actually don't know, it may be possible if the demon is strong or has strong feelings of negativity and attachement to that place



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MiserableAtBest...

The demon is merely removed from the body it possess, the blessing after the exorcism is what prevents the demon from entering again, therefore, it falls back to hell waiting for the next body to possess, but it doesn't happen often, usually the demon recovering from the exorcism itself



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SpectralWisp
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21:23:30 Jun 22 2008
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I think that it could come back after a while even at the blessing



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Monotony
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00:07:39 Jun 23 2008
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xmidnightsxlovex, that's what I originally thought, then I started thinking is a more permanent solution possible.



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00:10:26 Jun 23 2008
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Thanks for all the great responses. You have been helpful.



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