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what do u think? do u agree with that shed idea that the human is the perfect lifeform?
do u think that God created him on His own image?

I believe that is impossible to tell if the human form is that of perfection because we were all created with the ability for individual thought. What is beauty and perfection to me may not be to the person standing next to me. As for being made in gods image...well I'm not entering in to that discussion.

I dont think he's speaking in the manner of 'what is beautiful'... I think he's asking is the human LIFEFORM perfection? Not beauty... but evolutionary perfection.
Can it get any better, is the question here, *I* think.

I think it's pretty arrogant to think that it is.
Evolution, in my mind, encompases the entirety of the universe. Do you honestly think we're the ONLY mathmatically intelligent lifeform?? /:)
To say that Earth is the only little mud-ball that actually evolved... well... thats just plain silly.

Was going to say something but Khayman said it all.

A mix of what Khayman and zhanna sed but a lil of the ol chaos (hopefully humour) thrown in early skull's of man well god musta been uuuuuuggggglllllyyyyyy and if we top of the food chain why do we have a go at cannibals and things that try and eat us? lol anyway if we r top that jus means there is a long way to fall ;-)

I, too, can not think that humans are at the top of the evolutionary ladder. I have no data from which to definitively say, YES! We are the "It!" We are the end all be all!

There is too much which is not known. Whether there are other intelligences in other reaches of the galaxy, universe, or hell, undiscovered bits here on our own turf, information is needed.

As far as that goes, I believe the human race is due for another evolutioanry leap fairly soon. We've been adjusting in the manner of height, adaptability, strength, lifestyles, diet and immunites in so many directions the last several centuries, that I believe (maybe it's hope?) that a major schism in genetics is coming, insofar as humanity as we know it. If it does occur, it will be interesting to see what roads we take.

i agree with requiem

who r we to think of humans as being on the top???

we're just animals...species...only thing is we are probably better developed than others but as i explained in another thread....this is due to natural selection

We see evolution as based on the trial-and-error process of variation and natural selection of systems at all levels of complexity. The name of 'natural selection' comes from the Darwinian theory of biological evolution, which distinguishes "natural" selection from "artificial" selection, where specific features are retained or eliminated depending on a goal or intention (EI; the objective of a cattle breeder who would like to have cows that produce more milk). The "implicit goal" of natural selection is maintenance or reproduction of a configuration at some level of abstraction. The selection is natural in the sense that there is no actor or purposive system making the selection. The selection we are discussing is purely automatic or spontaneous, without plan or design involved.

Evolution typically leads to greater complexity, although one must be careful how one defines complexity.

hmm. noway ouer stupididty cant be the top....
at least i hope so...

Why are we even talking about this. Everyone knows that possums are at the top of the evolutionary ladder.

jason is definetly on to some thing

mm.. no, i dont think that Humans are the Best of Bond and Blod (Ancient English for Most Perfect Creatures alive) and i think that they will evolve further in days to come.. perhaps, after another Millenia, Humankind will evolve to be Perfect.. but not right now.

I think Damphir, Vampyres, Lycans, and Jaguars are the most perfect creatures.. i just think they are *shrugs*

humans are not the top of evolution, it is not done yet...who knows, maby in some time dogs will walk their humans on leashes... just kidding...
Anyway i think that we are far from perfect, and that we`ll never achive that.

lol some humans do walk on leashes heh =P

It is just ignorant to think that we are the top of the evuloution chain... there is something way bigger out there than any of us can fathom..

Humans are defidantly not at the top of the evolutionary ladder. Just give it a few thousand years and see how things are. "We" may still me the most advanced creatures on the planet, but I'm sure we would have evolved somewhat by then.

I'm also not a fan of us being created in god's image. But let's keep this thread away from the religious aspect for simplicity's sake. Evolution is complicated enough as it is...

If we are speaking strictly of creatures that roam this earth, I don't see how anyone can state humans are not the most advanced or evolved life-form.

Show me a highway or skyscraper that a dolphin has built.

Show me any meaningful accomplishment by any non-human earth species.

That's not what I was saying. Right now we are the most advanced creatures in the world, and I'm pretty sure that humans will be for much longer to come.

I meant that I'm sure that human evolution will continue. Humans in a few thousand years will have changed to adapt to the times. Ex: humans have contined to grow taller as time progresses. Anyone who says that the evolution of humans is done and that we are perfect now I would say is foolish and sadly mistaken.

i see your point cancer..but i dont think we should take complete credit for all those things...us humans have tasks to do and we complete them, as well as many other animals...we infact depend on many other living species as well...we couldnt live without all those tiny little animals and other living organisms who we consider unimportant but who in reality are keeping us alive with the amount of work they accomplish in nature (like the bees, ants, etc...plants as well...).

how can we take credit for something we make for a living when other things are being built around us by other species in order to keep us homo sapiens alive and make all those buildings, highways, etc..?

Obelisk, I understand your position. It's hard to extrapolate where human evolution will lead, considering humans have only been here about 100,000 years.

DarknessBound, show me any non-human earth species that can leave the planet.

The gap between human and other earth species' is huge. I'm not discounting lower life forms, but it's a comparison of apples and oranges.

I have to agree with Cancer for the most part, in that we are the most advanced life form on this planet. So as far as Earth is concerned, I would have to say that I think we are the highest on the evolutionary ladder, however, not at the top. I don't think there really is a top, we're constantly climbing. I don't doubt the possibility of other planets having beings that have reached higher on their respective ladders then we have. I also think that even though we are the most advanced species on this planet, the results of our advancements are likely to be our downfall.

Everything depends on everything else and as soon as we get that idea into our arrogant brains then we and the rest of the planet will progress to the next stages of evolution slightly more smoothly ...we are not perfect but maybe one day our decendants will be ...

alright, if you put it that way...i can agree with you. it is only logical.
just trying to see it from another point of view, more of the biological/ecological perspective i suppose...i can't let my zoology education go to waste. ^_^

Yeah, but for somethings you can also argue that we have evolved to let certian microorganisms work with us to aid us. It is very different things comparing evolution and mutualistic relationships.

I dont think humans are the top of the evolution chain.Look at them the only thing that is really evolved about humans is our brain.But other organisms have evolved passed humans like dogs there smell is way passed the smell of humans.

I think that every organism is No where near close to the top of the chain.Animals and humans both have serious flaws.

on this planet we are at the top of the evolution chain, However we are not finished evolving ourselves and yes, we were created in Gods image but it is most likely an image we shall evolve into.

In that case we would not have been created in god's image, we would have been created in a form which would become god's image. (kinda picky I know)

I'm still not to sure about being in god's image, I'm not sure why god would favor us over all the other creatures on the planet.

Obelisk Take a look in the thread grey matters ---What i wrote about perception it applys here as well---Things are written the way they are so the mindset of the time would better comprehend easier. You could not tell an ancient Hebrew that he was evolving without giving knowlede away that was left to us to discover

IMO - not even close, when we consider the number of genetically inherited diseases that we can be born with... although I've heard that some animals have very few genetic diseases

i partially agree and partially disadree with u all there...
1st of all, b4 speaking of a specie better evolved than another, we should define those words, and i don't seem to agree with u on those definition...
is an "develloped" specie adapted to his environnement, or has it tochange it so the environnement is adapted?
speaking of evolution:is an "evolved" specie constantly changing or keeps the same form over million years?
think about this, don' give back the answer u've always been told by your parents, friends, tv, radio, newspaper...

4me, human is a "particular case" in evolution theory: it has no claws, no teeth, he can't swing fast, can't breath underwater, can't dig, can't run fast can't jump high or long, can't fly...
even the "perfect" brain of him is too big that he must be born b4 maturation in order the mother lives on...

The fact that a human does not have gills, yet has the ability to survive underwater says something.

The fact that a human does not have fur, yet can survive in Antarctica says something.

The fact that a human can't run fast, yet can take down all sorts of wild game for food says something.

If you are defining evolution as how a species interacts with its surrounding environment, then the human species is far removed from the other species of the earth. The human species is either at the top, or a part of a different system and cannot be compared to the rest of earth life-forms.

agreed Cancer and yet ...lol

I could go on but can't be bothered typing *giggles*

Well, there are a lot of theroies about man being part alien isnt there... I dont knwo if I believe that but I do agree with Cancers point about how we interact with our environment, however distructive this may be.

We have evolved to utilize everything around us but do not have the intelligence not to permenantly damage things.

Sharks. Now they are perfection...

Ill post this for Cancer....
(still continuing my presumptuous little attitude.. i wouldnt be me without it)

Show us a shark that builds a house for Habitat for Humanity.

Hunter in their own environment, yes, theyre one of, if not THEE best...

But since I just caught up with this thread again...

If we're discussing JUST on this earth?

We take the cake kiddies.

Its a good point, and I do believe that man is a wodnerfully formed creature on the planet in terms of what we can achieve from what is around us... but we also destroy as we create, do we not?

One of the major flaws of humanity.

Thats what we get with free will and the ability for complex thought.

However by the same token...
If we did not destroy... there would be no room for creation.

i agree with that statement Khay.it is all a vicious cycle that never stops...and just keeps going and going.

In response to one of Cancer's earlier posts here, a quote from Douglas Adams (just ment to be funny, on one go into a debate over weather the quote is true or not)

"It is an important and popular fact that things are not always what they seem. For instance, on the planet Earth, man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much -- the wheel, New York, wars and so on -- whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man -- for precisely the same reasons."

Enjoy.

While some think that humans are not "evolved" that much I tend to disagree. While we may not have fur or gills or evolved much physically, we have evolved our mind. We are able to compensate for what we lack in evolution physically with our logic and reasoning ex: clothing and scuba gear. How a species adapts to its environment and its needs must be considered a part of that species evolution.

humans cannot be the top of evolution. we may be close to it, but not yet. animals have way better instincts than we do. for example in the tsunami in asia, more humans died than animals. animals have that sixth sence where they can feel wuts coming. they got out of the way before that tsunami could get there. they're ahead of us. when was the last time you saw an average person do something like that?

Instinct is no substitute for evolutionary intellect.

Instinct is very fallible. Fish don't have the instinct not to bite the hook. Deer seem to constantly wander onto the highway. I could go on and on...

Obelisk

I was thinking the same thing *giggles* Douglas Adams is the best *runs off to read Hitch Hickers again*

OK, this is just what i think, (sorry to anyone that it hurts i don't mean to)! If god created humans in his image why are we not perfect and everyone makes him out to be. That is just what i think. Sorry again to anyone i offend.

heres a question......if we are so advanced and evolved then why are we the only species on the planet that is actively and knowingly poisoning the only planet we have?yes we can travel to the stars and we can build skyscrapers....but really what benefit are these things to us in the bigger picture?

Sunshine
Yeah I love those books. I was planning on reading his "trilogy" again this summer.

well there aint no god 2 start with ob1 and no we aint
dont get me rong i still h8 u and rember it was u who started it not me!

The largest source of greenhouse gas on the planet is bovine flatulence. Cows fart methane.

"Poisoning the planet" is a subjective term. What is poison to one life form is not necessarily poison to another. The earth makes itself uninhabitable to certain life forms. Consider a giant volcano eruption that spews ash into the air blocking the sun and making the atmosphere unbreathable.

I agree with DarknessBound and Khay. Yes I knwo it is a viscious cycle, and there would be no room if we didnt destroy but I do think there is more to the human race than what we know or are experiencingt hat this point in time.

We don't even have the knowledge to know if we are or not so by reason of logic no.

Why do threads such as this always have to turn into something to promote a liberal agenda? Dolphins can't get jobs. They are not civilized. Humans are not evil creatures poisoning the earth. If we were, we would not hve made it here so long. The earth has a natural way of cleansing itself over and over again. Also for the record instinct does not constitute intelligence. Self awareness combined with the ability to reason and create does.

Necroshaemwraith sums this up I think... we dont know as much as we think we know.

Yeah, that was short and to the point, but it's still fun to talk about.

At the end of the day... we are the ones that can put an end to all life form, we are hunters of all TOP OF THE FOOD CHAIN . simple as.... we are number one.... no monkey is gonig to tell me what top eat, no rodent is gonig to pay my bills, no butterflie is going to make me breakfast in bed... no pig is going to wash my clothes..... Humans are the top ....... I don't think we are the only ones.. there must be others in other galaxies etc... but as of this time and date.. we are top... who else can decide the future of the human???