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Spontaneous human combustion is the mysterious phenomenon of a person bursting into flame for no apparent reason. The flames burn very hot and are very localized. They destroy most of the body but leave objects in close proximity to the person relatively unburned.


These are the remains of Dr. John Bentley who died of spontaneous combustion in Pennsylvania in 1966. The spot where the body lay is burnt, but the rest of the room, including the toilet, was not even scorched. This shows a quick, hot flame that devoured the body in seconds. Only the bottom of one leg remained to identify this as a person.
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This is a picture of workers cleaning up the remains of Mrs. M H Reeser of Florida who apparently died of spontaneous combustion in July of 1951. The only remains found was her skull, shrunken to the size of an orange.

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There are theories on this occurance but no one is sure how or why it happens. It does happen even without scientific explanation. One theory is ball lightning which would produce similar results, but many of these instances seem to rule out this possibility just by the location of the death. A majority of these deaths have the opposite characteristics that one would see if a person was burned to death, such as the shrinking of the skull.

Crematorium Specialist have viewed photos of combustion victims and say they cannot duplicate the complete destruction of bones in such a short period of time. They find it even harder to believe that this could happen so completely in ordinary rooms such as living rooms, bathrooms, etc. There are over 100 unexplained fire deaths a year just in England. If just ten of these deaths are spontaneous combustion, then the number world could be well over 100.

Does the body have chemical reactions that science has yet to discover ? It seems that an internal reaction of some kind is the most likely explanation for these deaths, but what triggers it ? Can it be detected ? Avoided ?



This picture is another case of spontaneous combustion that occurred in London in 1964.

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One compiled database states the following statistics on possible reported cases:

1950's - 11 cases

1960's - 7 cases

1970's - 13 cases

1980's - 22 cases



More Cases of SHC 1932: Mrs. Charles Williamson suddenly burst into flames on a Janurary morning in 1932. She lived in Bladenboro, North Carolina. She had not been beside any kind of fire, and her dress had not been in contact with any cleaning fluid or other flammable substances. Her husband and daughter ripped the dress off her with their bare hands, but not any of them were burned by the flames. Not to soon after a pair of her husbands pants caught fire while hanging in the closet. The same thing happened to a bed, and curtains in an unoccupied room. Although the house was inspected by special investigators from gas and electric companies, arson experts, and police, there could be found no logical explanation for the sudden fires. The family described the flames as 'bluish, jetlike', and other adjacent objects were not affected. There was no smell, and no smoke and until the object was consumed the fire would not stop. - sent in by jsoverei@schreiber.Lakeheadu.Ca
Jan. 13, 1943: 52 year old Allen M. Small was found burned to death in his Deer Isle, Maine home. The carpet beneath his body was scorched, but there was no other sign of fire in the house. Small's pipe was unlit and on a shelf, and his stove lids were all still in place. - sent in by jsoverei@schreiber.Lakeheadu.Ca

March 1, 1953: Waymon Wood's body was discovered in the front seat of his closed car in Greenville, South Carolina. His car was stationed on the site of Bypass Route 291. Little remained of Wood, but his car was basically untouched, even though it contained half a tank of gas. The windshield was the only damaged area; it had bubbled and sagged inward, an affect from the intense heat. - sent in by bmuhwj@hotmail.com

October, 1964: Mrs. Olga Worth Stephens, 75 years and a former actress suddenly burst into flames while waiting in her parked car. The burns were fatal, and she was killed before anyone could come to her aid. Firemen later concluded that nothing in the car could have started the blaze, and her car was undamaged. - sent in by bmuhwj@hotmail.com.

(All above information and photos found at http://theshadowlands.net/spon.htm)

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Hmmm... sorr a few of those pictures stretched the frame... but there isnt an edit button for me :( I thought I sized them down enough.. :(


SO ANYWAY... this topic has always fascinated me.... there has been mass speculation... religious...chemical... ect. as to how the phenomenom actually occurs.

- Alchoholism - many Spontaneous Human Combustion vicitms have been alcoholics. But experiments in the 19th century demonstrated that flesh impregnated with alcohol will not burn with the intense heat associated with Spontaneous Human Combustion.

- Deposits of flammable body fat - Many victims have been overweight - yet others have been skinny.

- Devine Intervention - Centuries ago people felt that the explosion was a sign from God of devine punishment.

- Build-up of static electricity - no known form of electrostatic discharge could cause a human to burst into flames.

- An explosive combination of chemicals can form in the digestive system - due to poor diet.

- Electrical fields that exist within the human body might be capable of 'short circuiting' somehow, that some sort of atomic chain reaction could generate tremendous internal heat.

No satisfactory explanation of Spontaneous Human Combustion has ever been given. It is still an unsolved mystery.


There are several different types of remains that have been cataloged and studied as to the cause of SHC:

What Remains After a Spontaneous Human Combustion Event:

- The body is normally more severely burned than one that has been caught in a normal fire.

- The burns are not distributed evenly over the body; the extremities are usually untouched by fire, whereas the torso usually suffers severe burning.

- In some cases the torso is completely destroyed, the bones being reduced completely to ash.

- Small portions of the body (an arm, a foot, maybe the head) remain unburned.

- Only objects immediately associated with the body have burned; the fire never spread away from the body. SHC victims have burnt up in bed without the sheets catching fire, clothing worn is often barely singed, and flammable materials only inches away remain untouched.

- A greasy soot deposit covers the ceiling and walls, usually stopping three to four feet above the floor.

- Objects above this three to four foot line show signs of heat damage (melted candles, cracked mirrors, etc.)

- Although temperatures of about 3,000 degrees Fahrenheit are normally required to char a body so thoroughly (crematoria, which usually operate in the neighborhood of 2,000 degrees, leave bone fragments which must be ground up by hand), frequently little or nothing around the victim is damaged, except perhaps the exact spot where the deceased ignited.



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This is very interesting. Had heard of it but never fully understood it. Thanks.



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I havent the time or the want to explain this at the moment but the last thing you mentioned is what has been proven to be the most respectable reason. Inside the body is tons and tons of elecrical energy, when something happens and the body short circuits or builds up currents, that energy must be released, it releases by burning or combustion. Anyways, if I can I will go google whoring about to show a few back up sites. Dasvedania. Thank you Khay baby.



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Too much iron in the blood



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wow, this is a really good thread Khay.


mmm, ive heard ob spontaneous combustion before, i don't know but i find it a bit hard to believe even with all the proof you have just given. I cant fully grasp the whole concept of a human just exploding from within, just like that.

now you got me curious, i'll go do more reading on that. i really like this thread.

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IllNeverTell: Spashiba bolshoy, schastliva.



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Oh you're welcome, DB.

I figured something that required thought on theory with a little less ability to be politically combative (the virgin mary thread) would be nice for a few days ;)

Plus the pictures are neat *wicked grin*..



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Very interesting topic.. thanks for posting the info...



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very interesting, it interests me alot ever since i was little. ifind it odd that it could happen and what not



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intersting but kinda creepy...and a lil scary



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i agree with pinklust this is scary think about it could happen to anyone of us before i thought that this was impossible



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mmmmhmmmmm
VERY good one Lady Khay
I disagree with the ball lightning explanation tho......having witnessed ball lightning and how it reacts.....
I grew up in an active area for electrical storms....but the body electrical discharge does sound very plausible....
maybe the two combined.....now that would do it...a statically charged individual in an electrical storm....?
hmm
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Hmm, now this thread is worthy of reading even down to the last message. Well done Khayman in putting a *spark* (pun intended!) back into the forum again.

Those photographs are real gruesome! thankyou for the time, thought and research you must of put into creating this forum thread. Terrible thought isn't it of bursting into flames..



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Look up the human wick effect... it's a possible explanation for human combustion that fits the facts....

a low temperature fire for an extended period can produce the exact same effects as evidenced in the photo's.....




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THANK YOU KHAYMAN
finally a new kind of thread.

i have seen a person move fire with just their mind and chi energy before, and chi can do amazing things (i.e a person having more than 2000 pounds of force being put into her throat over a period of much less than 1 second and being able to walk away without even the slightest injury)(i.e and for the guys, a man being kicked in the testicles with enough force to put him several inches off the ground with no injury)(*information comes from a tv special about a martial art training where the person learns to focus ki (another name for chi) to prevent physical injuries), so maybe something went haywire with that. from what i can tell it tends to be more concentrated in the torse area so that could explain why feet are left sometimes.
and the fact that getting one's chi to interact outside the body (well atleast for me) is very difficult, it would also explain why objects around the person were left virtually uneffected.

or maybe a deamon possed them a put a pinch of hellfire into the person's torso. it is super-natural, who knows what it would do.

i don't know i am just tossing ideas around wether they make sense or not.



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*yes thanks a bunch for a good thread yee!*

i really sucked at science...i don't think i can try to work up an explanation :-(



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I agree with DeathIsBecoming... maybe something goes haywire with the chi... or the electric impulses theory makes a lot of sense as well...

i dont like the human wick effect idea... for something like that to happen it would have to take time, and there are some instances where someone was only gone for a few minutes from the deceased's side when the combustion happened. definitely not enough time for any kind of slow fire to ignite...

And yes thanks from me too Khayman... great thread. definitely a million times better than what icp album do you like best anyway...



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Well Im glad you guys like it. I'm fascinated by the unexplained... as I'm sure most of us are (i.e. the 'Grey Matters' thread).

It's just something that really gets me diggin on the internet. If I find anything else nifty Ill send it along :)



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wow! that's such an interesting read!!

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hEY THANK YOU VERY MUCH foer such great and long interesting infos.
I loved to read it =)



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Here's what Mordes was pointing out...

The "wick" effect
The wick effect theory essentially says that a person is burned through his/her own fats after being ignited, accidentally or otherwise. The clothed human body acts like an 'inside-out' candle: the human fat (the fuel source) is inside and the clothing of the victim (the wick) is outside. Hence there is a continuous supply of fuel, in the form of fat that melts and drips to the victim's clothing. Fat contains a large amount of energy due to the presence of long hydrophobic chains.


Here's something else nifty I found regarding the Human Wick Effect. This explains it a bit better (mental imagry a bit...graphic, but none the less...)


physical possibility of SHC

The physical possibilities of spontaneous human combustion are remote. Not only is the body mostly water, but aside from fat tissue and methane gas, there isn't much that burns readily in a human body. To cremate a human body requires a temperature of 1600 degrees Fahrenheit for about two hours."* To get a chemical reaction in a human body which would lead to ignition would require some doing. If the deceased had recently eaten an enormous amount of hay that was infested with bacteria, enough heat might be generated to ignite the hay, but not much besides the gut and intestines would probably burn. Or, if the deceased had been eating the newspaper and drunk some oil, and was left to rot for a couple of weeks in a well-heated room, his gut might ignite.

It is true that the ignition point of human fat is low, but to get the fire going would probably require an external source. Once ignited, however, some researchers think that a "wick effect" from the body's fat would burn hot enough in certain places to destroy even bones. To prove that a human being might burn like a candle, Dr. John de Haan of the California Criminalistic Institute wrapped a dead pig in a blanket, poured a small amount of gasoline on the blanket, and ignited it. Even the bones were destroyed after five hours of continuous burning. The fat content of a pig is very similar to the fat content of a human being. The damage to the pig, according to Dr. De Haan "is exactly the same as that from supposed spontaneous human combustion."

In their investigation of a number of SHC cases, Dr. Joe Nickell and Dr. John Fisher found that when the destruction of the body was minimal, the only significant fuel source was the individual's clothes, but where the destruction was considerable, additional fuel sources increased the combustion. Materials under the body help retain melted fat that flows from the body and serves to keep it burning.




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Here have a new link for that last bit of info i snagged....

Light it up, baby!



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very nice K..... i studyed SHC while takeing a course in C.S.I were we have to rule out all types of deaths those cases are studyed as Cold cases or unsolved used to give C.S.I. students a challange with the new tecnology we have now like D.N.A. etc amunst the class some people sujestd the candle affect or combustable materals on clothing we even came up with the possablity of lotions and perfums on the skin that when in the sun would heat up the skin now i didnt know if it was mentiond about a man whom was waiting at a bus stop in england when he started feeling hot and ran screaming no one saw the flames being it was daylight and he burnt to death in front of many people.....a nother thing we all thought of as a possablilty was pyro kenisis or pyro kenitic ability and that they didnt know they had or they repressed it but looking at theses cases non of wich would seem to be of that possablity we had to find out why certin areas burnd and not others and that when you are cremated not all the bones burn but in SHC all burn at such a heat it turns to ash and we have nothing that will burn hot enough not even house fires or car accidents a one last thought of SCH was a possable electrical affect that walkin acrossed the carpet touching a doorknob would be the trigger



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I was told by someone a long time ago that if the body had too much iron combined with the heat inside of the body caused it to combust also. Could be a number of factors i guess.



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Melting point of Iron: 1535 degrees C. (ish)

Melting point of Human Fat: 50-60 degrees C. (I couldn't find an exact number)



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Excellent post Khayman. I think the problem with science is that we cannot currently understand everything, so we try to fit the unexplained into our current resource of possibilities. I think this point about iron in the blood is very interesting, but what Id be interested to know is whether its something (could be man-made combinations) that react so negatively or positively with our bodyt hat it causes this reaction. Could we in turn be killing ourselves with technology?

::Goes to ponder::



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Ahhh... holes in Scientific research.

This is where the Bible Thumpers would come in and say "S'cuse me ma'am, but might I have a moment of your time..."

On that note....


NO RELIGIOUS DEBATE IN MY FORUM...

Unless it bequotes from Bible or other Holy Books pertaining SPECIFICALLY to Spontanious Human Combustion.


SMOOCHES, dah-links.



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Ish doesn't count Jason. *tickles and bites him* mwhahaha



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Human body fat melts at about 17°C, so that the body can store it in liquid form.

That translates to 61F.



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Personally I just can't wait for Cancer, Wraith and ElderDaniel to get hold of this thread...

Their research abilities (or just flat out knowledge of a subject like this) and reading page after page of it...
It's like a good shag on satin sheets.

My body quivers with ANTICI.....

SAY IIIIIITTTTT!!!!!!!!!

.....PATION.



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Actually......now i think about it......its quite scary...*hides under table*



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Click here for an interesting story of a lady who burst into flames. It makes fabulous reading!



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THEORY

It supposedly happens chemically, inside the body.

Interestingly, almost every case attributed to this singularity has seen the victims being consumed almost entirely, including the bones, while leaving extremities such as feet unscathed. The rest of the room usually remains intact as well, the fire not having spread out.

Centuries ago, it was believed that imbibing alcohol would amplify inflammability; in other words, getting drunk would be the cause of their demise. However, modern research has proven that it was a false belief.

Still, a number of cases have broken out throughout the last decades that have left firefighters and arson investigators boggled and several theories have been elaborated to explain the phenomenon.

Some believe that a large enough quantity of methane gas could build up within the intestines, ignited by enzyme activity (this theory has been deemed rather implausible). Another rationalization involves a subatomic particle called pyrotron, which could act as the required spark. Others look elsewhere for answers and accept that forces from a cosmic energy are indeed at work. Even balls of lightning have served as an explanation.

For a number of years, scientists have tried to find a logical solution for this mystery. First, they have realized that the reason extremities like feet sometimes aren't turned into ashes is that fire usually burns upwards; it rarely burns laterally. The flames have enough material to sustain them by consuming the upper body without having to go down to the feet.

The fat content of the human body is not challenged. Tests have proven that flesh and bones contain enough flammable material to sustain a fire. A "wick-effect" from human body fat could be at play and fire can burn hot enough to consume even bones. What is contested is that nothing in humans could actually ignite it all.

Experiment

A decisive experiment was attempted at the California Criminalistic Institute. Dr. John de Haan wrapped a dead pig in a blanket and sprinkled some gasoline over it. After ignition, the animal burned for five hours and its bones were destroyed. Haan chose to use a pig for this experiment because its fat content closely resembles that of humans.

The results? It demonstrated the aforementioned wick-effect, which explains why a person can slowly burn internally without attracting witnesses. It also explained why only the parts of the body that are high in fat content would be set ablaze, while other parts, like feet, remained intact.

After revisiting past alleged cases, researchers discovered that the victims were almost all elderly, and had the bad habit of smoking in bed. Sometimes murder was suspected, but mostly they were accidents in which the victims failed to wake up, having been under the influence of sleeping pills, alcohol or narcotics.

Why it is Researched

ecause science is so advanced nowadays, people feel like there are no longer many mysteries. Without getting theological, people need to know their place in the world and this gets a lot easier when there is knowledge of supernatural forces. We need inexplicable puzzles in order to keep conjuring up theories, and believing in spontaneous human combustion is a good way to keep the conundrum of life active.

Furthermore, most people aren't aware of all the intricacies of the phenomenon and not knowing all the details can be quite scary. Searching the Internet is therefore a way for people to find out if they are potential victims of SHC -- and once they read more about it, they'll realize that it is quite unlikely.

Public Interest

The first reliable accounts of SHC date back to 1673, when author Jonas Dupont published a book (entitled De Incendiis Corporis Humani Spontaneis) containing a collection of SHC cases inspired by the Nicole Millet case in which Mr. Millet was acquitted of the murder of his wife because the court was convinced that she was the victim of SHC. Since then, other cases were reported but most occured within the last fifty years.

Many books have been written on the subject, both trying to feed the myth and dispel it. A few minor films have embraced the issue as well, such as 1990's Spontaneous Combustion and Silent Night, Deadly Night 4: Initiation, while the Human Torch character from the Fantastic Four comics helped further introduce the idea to pop culture.

Just because SHC has been deciphered, it doesn't mean public interest will decrease. People will still try to find irrational explanations for this strange phenomenon.


all this is from: http://www.askmen.com/toys/special_feature/33_special_feature.html


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Thank you for posting that for me Emmy:)
Gods know I hate doin links... I tend to kill the forum I post them in...:)



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The first reliable accounts of SHC date back to 1673, when author Jonas Dupont published a book (entitled De Incendiis Corporis Humani Spontaneis) containing a collection of SHC cases inspired by the Nicole Millet case in which Mr. Millet was acquitted of the murder of his wife because the court was convinced that she was the victim of SHC.


Good post, DB!!

I figured the Latin title of that book would be an eye catcher for this forum.
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Is it me, or is it getting hot in here?:: starts to feel paranoid:: :-)



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WOw!!! Lots to read, and cool pictures too .. this is just a creepy way to even think about dying .. *shudders* I couldn't imagine the intense pain a person would go through burning fromt he inside out. The chemical and gasses threoy are the ones I've heard and understood the most. >;^}



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Wow, a very interesting thread. I have to say I've dismissed SHC to theories like the Wick Effect. Certainly the Wick Effect explains how once ignited how easily the humanbody can burn. But each case to test it required an external flame.

Do any of the articles suggest that if the naturally generated methane in the human body were ignited it could start the combustion? If so, any theories as to what would ignite the methane?



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My fear is dying by fire and this just scared me even more... However, I find it an interesting topic. I remember watching a special about it on either TLC (before it went all reality shows and such) or the Discovery channel a summer or two ago...



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Presto changeo poof ash
Giant magnifying glass perhaps?
There are so many things unexplained
This one has been known through history
but what is science but someone saying something and its law until proven otherwise?
I cannot explain but find the idea amazing
Sure would cut down on burial expenses



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concerning the human wick effect i have only only question.

Wouldn't the person tend to realize that that much heat was buliding up in them and after a point seek out help?

i don't know, maybe i am just missing something very obvious and will say "man that was simple".



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interesting question Elder Dan. i've done some research about that but it doesnt say anywhere..i might have to ask my chem professor about this one.
although i came across with this piece of info:

To cremate a human body requires a temperature of 1600 degrees Fahrenheit for about two hours."* To get a chemical reaction in a human body which would lead to ignition would require some doing. If the deceased had recently eaten an enormous amount of hay that was infested with bacteria, enough heat might be generated to ignite the hay, but not much besides the gut and intestines would probably burn. Or, if the deceased had been eating the newspaper and drunk some oil, and was left to rot for a couple of weeks in a well-heated room, his gut might ignite.


also i came across an article where the FBI denounces the Spontaneous Human Combustion:

http://www.valleyskeptic.com/fbi_shc.html



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Laughs at mslefaye's response!



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I think the general assumed point is that it happens so fast that they cannot even speak before theyre engulfed in flames.... usually. :|



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That was towards DeathIsBecoming...

and ROFL @ MLF!!



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Interesting article DarknessBound...



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In August 1999, BBC TV broadcast in prime time a film in its prestigious science series 'QED', entitled Spontaneous Human Combustion.

The film was ambitious both as science and as reporting, for it set out to debunk once and for all the centuries-old belief that, under some mysterious circumstances, humans can catch fire and be almost entirely consumed, even in the security of their own homes.

Most impressive of all, the film set out to debunk the idea not merely with argument and theories, but with an actual experimental demonstration on camera in which the carcass of a pig was substituted for that of a human body.

The film's narrator, Samuel West, told viewers that, 'This film has brought together for the first time the world's top fire experts and follows their quest to solve the mystery of Spontaneous Human Combustion.'

The film's method was persuasive. First it showed experienced, intelligent and sincere professionals -- a fire chief and a police officer -- swearing that the bodies they found could only be cases of Spontaneous Human Combustion.

Later, though, evidence was produced of possible sources of flame, in one case a book-match, in another a small candle, and the professionals were compelled to admit they could have been mistaken. Viewers saw for themselves how even the experts can be misled, and how easy it is to imagine extraordinary or paranormal causes for what are really quite mundane events.

Home Office Pathologist professor Mike Green, of Southampton University, made it clear that he did not believe in spontaneous human combustion. 'The way the body burns -- the so-called wick effect,' he said, 'seems to me and to my colleagues to be the most scientifically credible hypothesis.'

Then the film makers, producer Jan Klimkowski and director Stephen Leslie, enlarged on this scientific explanation.

'Forensic scientists . . .' they told viewers, '. . . are convinced that, like other fires, these fires are most commonly started by a careless match or cigarette and they believe there is a simple explanation of how this can reduce the body to ash.'

'The scientific explanation -- the 'wick effect' -- proposes that in certain rare circumstances the human being can burn like a candle.'

The explanation advanced by the film makers was that a clothed human body is like an inside-out candle where the fat, or fuel source, is inside and the wick is outside. Once burning begins, the melted fat seeps into the clothing and burns like a wick, slowly over a period of many hours.


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Dr John DeHaan of the California Criminalistics Institute demonstrated this theory by burning the body of a pig wrapped in a blanket to simulate a clothed human being, using about a litre of petrol as an initial accelerant.

The film makers concluded emphatically, 'The scientists have clearly demonstrated how the classic features of spontaneous human combustion can occur through normal processes.'

Importantly, the 'wick effect' explanation proposed in the film necessarily entails three key features:-

* It is a slow, gradual process taking many hours, typically 5 to 10 hours or more. In the DeHaan experiment, the pig carcass was still not fully consumed after 7 hours.

* There is always a source of combustion -- matches, cigarette, candle, gas fire, coal fire etc, and some initial accelerant -- perfume, alcohol, or some other spirit.

* Because it is a long slow process involving the melting of body fat, the victim must necessarily be killed.



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Mordes....another problem with the slow burn or wick effect is a slow burn would cause waaay more smoke damage.....
I have had to do renovations on a house that had a small fire....one room...little fire damage...the whole house was smoke stained.....these cases have very little smoke or area damage....



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that's simply not true the same amount of fuel is being burnt... the amount of smoke would be the same in either case.....

sorry daermon paper beats rock again....



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Iron oxide and aluminum are capable of reaching incredibly high temperatures when ignited. I think this could possibly be part of the an explanation. Someone somehow manages to either ingest or gather enough of the materials in their bodies, and something happens to manage to ignite them. Definatley not a complete theory in any sense, but maybe?



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maybe they had some sort of seizure while smoking I dunno, maybe they were closet freebasers.. heh



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This has to be my second favorite thread so far! :P

I found a lot of interesting information on google today about this subject... I must say I think I found a new topic to learn about....



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Here is the link for a site quoted earlier...



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along the the theory of the body electrically charged, that is why my Dad cannot wear a battery opperated watch they stop working after a day... this has happened to several so it wasn't the battery...not to mention there is a family in Asia that they can put metal objects on their body and make them stick...so there is definitely something there with that theory... and I diffinitely believe in it happening...



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Am I the only one who just thought of Magnito(sp) from the X-Men?



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hahaha...yeah my family is a bunch of freaks...



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To-night I was going to have a drink of beaujolias.. I have changed my mind! heh.. I might burst into flames!!

::Khayman this is not cool! I like my vino:: *wink*



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a lot of cows self combust...

it's known that cows have more stomachs.

anyone see the logic?

anyone see that south park episode?



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I just have a couple of things to say....=O.o= and =@.@=



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*bump*

I will not post my theory here. It would be very unpopular. Khay knows it though.

Too interesting a thread to fall from the front page so quickly.



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OOOOO Thanks for the link hun!

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*BUMP*


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Is it bad to say...NO FLAMMING! mwhaha



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OK Dami that little dude was cute.
Thanks for the bump, guys :)

Hrm... Johnny Blaze is comming to mind.
I wonder what would happen if he got drunk and pissed off.... O_o



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Ever heard of Katie Kaboom? lol That would be hilarious esp for this thread.



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for some reason i just got to wondering what the whole thing would look like seein it right in front of u... i mean man that has got to be freaky a man bursting into flames right in front of you and you have no clue whatsoever what the hell brought the whole thing about...



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*grabs some marshmellows and a stick*



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I had never heard of this, Khayman. Fun new stuff to learn about! THanks!



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You've never heard of SHC????

Well... I s'pose there's a first time for everything.
Here... have a Dr. Pepper... and a fried shrimp Po' Boy and get tuh readin', kiddo... :-D


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i have heard of self combustion being linked to "Black Helicopters"

black helicopters from what i remember of my college research were fully biological, could shrink and would attatch themselves to the spine near the neck, where they would explode. i've seen an x-ray of one inside some guy... but i think it was a fake.

although the black helicoptor theory is supposed to also be a government conspiracy as well... dunno how it was linked to SHC



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This sounds vaguely like a very BAD christian slater movie I saw a bit ago. :|



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Thanks for the DP, Khayman. *sits and gulps it down then lights a square* Wonderful.
I have been researching it a bit, but I don't have a whole lot of time. Thanks once again for posting this thread.



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indeed, sugar ;)



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gives Khay a bump to the hip...
and Mordes.....the amount of smoke is the same..the type of smoke is different...slow burning fats cause thick greasy smoke.....whereas things that burn quick tend to cause a lighter less damaging smoke....



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****BUMP*****


good topics must be kept ontop!



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This is just very intresting, are there any more theroies that any one else has documented?



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Not really documented... but I was thinking energy fields and chemicals in the body... or opposing energy fields of the body and the earth...

Then again there is the whole Pyro thing... if they dont know they have it and something stressfull happens... or they get to excited or whatever about something... they could turn themselves into a crispy critter.
Inadvertantly, of course...
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