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The demolished ruins of places really upsets me, the graveyards with their tombs knocked over or broken, the churches with broken windows and damaged insides. I have never been witness or a part of these actions.have you ever been winess to these actions? what would you do if you seen these practices in the process?

I guess another thing I wanted to know or don't understand is what motivates people to do these things.

people will do it for thier own sadistic sick pleasure, or to look cool for thier friends, thats always a common one amongst the masses... yes its sad to see destruction to our history and past....

These things REALLY bother me.
It is kids or ignorance that sometimes can cause me to get introuble for being in a cemetery late at night. It also is a part of history they distroy. What they don't realize or don't care to realize is this is someone last place to rest. Even tho they are passed on, they aren't happy when people decide to ruin thier "home". I also get guys that ask me " have you ever had sex in a cemetery?" that is the quickest way to be put on ignore. I think that to is about as disrespectful as people breaking head stones and things.

i have stop kids from doing it, its bad karma

i cought a couple of kids trying to spray paint on an old tomb in a local graveyard that i go to to get ideas for stories. i scared the crap out of them, they thought i was a real vampire! it was great. one of them pissed htere pants. i was going to beat the crap out of them but i think i gave them a good enough of a scare!

i'm not one on church or anything, but i do have respect for great arhitecure and beautiful buildings. Punks like that are just trying to be "hardcore" kids keep getting worse n worse.

I would run up to those punks and kick their asses LiLi style! >:0

Some just feel like destroying things that are important to others becaus they do not have anything of importance in their own lives...

Church and graveyards are some of the few places that I believe if you mess with you should be killed. No trial no jail term simply death swift and merciful.

that's a little harsh...how bout just cuttin their hands off!?

>:) mwahaha

i would make them fix all the stones and clean the whole site up

I believe in tit for tat. Find these people, and then go to where they live and destroy it.

Although I haven't really seen any vandalism apart formthat which went on at school, graffitti reall y bothers me. I dontmind it around uni if it is somehting nice (for example someone chalked 'Enjoy every minute of your life!' in the Square) but base and aggressive words do make me feel angry, as it is so unjustified.

It si a shame how, when things get damaged, it usually takes ever so long for them to be repaired.

I have to agree with the masses on this. desecration and vandalism shows a lack of respect. For yourself and others. But it has been taught to us throughout history. Wars are faught to destroy ideals, not just to kill people. Even in the Bible we were taught to destroy. Tear down thier temples, leave no stone unturned. It's sad how little we have advanced when you look at it like that.

I have very same opinion as the most of u...And theres another fact that annoys me/ makes me mad...
I really hate when ppl damage religious houses and churches and as apologize for themselves they are saying that they do it because religions are bad and they caused many wars...etc. And in fact those ppl are worse than what they say....

I collect grave rubbing when I can find the families to get permission. Some of these stones are hundreds of years old and once destroyed the last trace of the persons existence is erased. I do not think it too hash to erase from existance one that would do such a thing.....

I don't understand why someone would want to destroy anything that has history behind...whether it is religious or not. I find that most of those ppl are ignorant and uncaring about the destruction that they wreak for the their reasoning.

I have barely experienced desecration of cemetaries OR churches....The local hooligans take their hatred out on the local park and KFC stores...Its sad seing a childrens playground LITERALLY burnt to the ground.......

Local drunks were in a really bad mood and the torched down the playground.....VERY SAD.....I grew up in the very same playground.....So it was a little close to home.....I've thaught about fighting them.....But it'd be almost 30 vs 1....I dislike my odds

I have never personally witnessed such a heinous crime as vandalism like you described. But, if I did I would take pictures while calling the cops. I usually keep to myself where others are concerned but there are certain crimes that cannot be left alone in hopes they will get caught. I would not be able to live with that kind of guilt.

I do not like to see graves vandalised or any homage to the dead but if a church were to get burned down in the middle of the night I wouldn't be all that bothered it jus bothers me when resting places are desercrated

The desecration and destruction of any public, or private property is just stupid and childish, it doesn't have to be just a cemetery, church, just where ever. It's bad enough that there are slums and crappy parts of cities, so lets just trash them up even more. If just half the people would take just half as much notice to the areas around them as they do to their cars, clothes, music, whatever then maybe the world would actually be a much brighter, nicer place. It really pisses me off to see the graffiti and toppled and broken headstones in cemetery’s anywhere.

its such a shame that so many do this, it makes me wonder what world is comming to..

HELL my friend.....HELL

I regret what i did as a teenager so long ago and try to attend the dead now when ever i can out of guilt

I visited a graveyard a long time ago.....Out of simple respect.....I done nothing wrong.....I just wanted to pay my respects....Perhaps if those scums of existance felt the way I did.....The world might be that much better

great points Hellchilddami. I agree with you 100%. It breaks my heart to see old beautiful buildings in my city destroyed, vandalized, or burned for no reason. Most of those buildings are very very old and were done in styles that cannot be done today. I just love old buildings and the history it holds.

hmmmm if I saw it.....first response.....
asskickin....second response.....asskickin till they fix what they destroyed.....third response.....make sure to know where they live for future asskickin if it happens again....whether it was them or not....that way their friends learn too

The comment "desecration shows a lack of respect" really has a ring to it. I woulda named the deliverer of this wisdom, but i'm only on my 3rd coffee, and in the time it took the post window to open, i had already forgotten. Scroll, and u will see. :-D

Though deliberate vandalism is more than lack of respect... it's deliberate demonstration of irrespect.....


I used to live across the road from a small cemetary. It USED to get vandalised ALOT.
Apparently, even though i have not been in that country for 5 years, that cemetary has a reputation now.
The mischevious youth and drunks on their way home walk around, and go fuck something else up.

A few years before then (and right about the time i moved in, coincidentally) that cemetary picked up a guardian. Some strange guy who hung out there every night, and get really pissed at what the idiots were doing.
Quite a number of people were even hospitalised, as i hear tell.

My whole life, i have wandered and loved cemetaries. My grandmother took me there for day trips before i could even walk.
To this day i still regularly wander and hang out in them. And i am not typically a "bystander" by nature. The cemetary i am in is like a home, and i dont think desecration should be tolerated..... unless you want to stay there yourself......


Now, comparing church and cemetary.... thats where opinions will clash, and this wont be pretty.

Religious art, i think has a place in history. And thus i dont like the idea of destroying it. But desecrating a church, i wouldn't rush in to stop it. Most likely the converse.
Where desecrating a grave is a direct attact to an individual or family, attacking a church is an attack against a religion.
I do carry a few thousand years of oppression and murder as a personal insult.
That in my opinion... have at it. Leave the cemetaries alone, and focus your hatered there.
When the vatican burns, i'll bring the hot dogs.......



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Cemeteries are places of peace and contemplation.....to see headstones destroyed and flowers trampled ....boils my blood...I repare what I can when I can and made friends of mine at school do the same after they bragged to me about what they had done in a cemetery I adored so much...I asked if they could show me what they had done ...pretending to be impressed....upon reaching the graves...I piled on the guilt...(Catholic raised here ..I know how to do the old guilt thing...lol) and made them tidy and repair the damage as much as possible .

Apparantly they had been bored and believed themselves to be Satanists...~sigh~

Satanists don't even do that kind of thing. There are two basic satanists---the kind that never read Levay and think they're cool and the kind that did and know what it means. In other words the posers and the realists. Well, to see a church or graveyard in shamble simply because of age and it was forgotten---I find that sad but beautiful. But to see kids wrecking them is horrid. I walked through a graveyard shortly after one of the kids from my school was buried there--he happened to be af friend of mine. His tombstone had crude remarks carved into it and trash and beer cans lying around. I cleaned it up as best I could and called his parents to tell them what had happened.

no i haven't but have seen it mean times and i hate the people that do it, thats so wrong! i dont understand why someone would do it!

I, personally, have never seen it happen. I would prolly whip out my cell phone and call the police or something.

It is disrespectful but even if something is destroyed, the memories are not in the stones but in the minds of those who loved and remembers them.

I have never seen it happen, but know its happing. Just kids who are bored and think that its funny do it around here. If i saw someone doing something like that, Honestly I dont know what i would do. I do know i would be very upset, and sometimes I do bad things when i am upset......

I have never partaken in any of these events. And I will not ever take part in the destruction of property as important as that of a graveyard or church.

now before i respond to this everyone should know that im not saying this to intetionally piss anyone off im just giving an honest answer to the question.....
remember everyone has the rite to their own opinions....
in regards to the desecration of graveyards i agree with most of you its fucked up and should not take place i can't fathom under what premice someone would think that acceptable behavior....
now on to the part most of you wont like...as for the destruction of churches...although some of them are very good works of art...most of the newer ones we could do without..besides ..the church being the largest corperate entity in the world ..they have the money to build new ones...as for the book that these churches teach from ..."the bible"..most people i know take the writings to be 100% factual..in fact the first known bible writings didnt actually get written down until about 600 years after most of the events took place, i dont know about you but i think any facts would have been long lost.....

almost forgot ...if anyone would like to discuss this matter with me please feel free to message me i would be happy to discuss this with anyone ..dont worry its not a sin to discuss your views ...

People destroying headstones in grave yards make me really angry. Countless times I have been in a cemetery and have seen these actions taking place. Always I would stop it then ask them how would they like it if someone destroyed a headstone of an family member. Guess alot of ppl don't have any sense now days.

expressing views is good....but keep it away from religious or political in here please...i'd hate to see tjhis thread rip.ed for it

Thanks for the information. I know there are people who find it such a "thrill" to demolish places that others cherish. maybe it gives them a sense of superiority? i have no idea, but i can't stand seeing someones loved ones memorial being ruined for the sake of someones drunkness, self value or trying to get a "bad" reputation so people will think they are cool

I was reading a website on places that were haunted. The Ada Witch or Findlay Cemetery where she is burried at has been vandalized. The headstone of the Ada witch was broken in half. which is very sad because people would go and pay thier respects to her. They would bring her flowers and leave them on her grave site. I doubt now anyone will be able to go into the grounds. Its very sad really... its a very nice place.

I have heard of some places after they are destroyed it becomes haunted

So have I....I've seen dark figures walking around graveyards.....Not searching for anything...Just walking......They might just be people.....But they mightn't....

I can't stand when i see the ruins of a gravestone or the broken glas of a church window. I think it's very immature and stupid. I guess i just don't see the pleasure that some get out of breaking someones memory or someones faith.

I would love nothing better than to be dressed up and made up as the most frightening ghoul you've ever seen and just be waiting in the cemetaries for the vandals to arrive...when they started their shit I'd scare the living shiite out of them and whip out mah rusty axe!! Knock them upside the head with a big bottle of Faygo too! Truthfully I find that kind of vandalism very disrespectful and disturbing.

LOL!
This could be "worth it" for them.....Lets do it!

Hahaha ok hun sounds like fun! I'm game!

I believe that people who destroy such things are stupid. for one you are distroying a thing of beauty there is such art in the architecture and design of a tomb or a church. second you are messing with somethign really sacred how would one feel who does such act if someone destroy something of importance to them. I say it may be due to lack of understanding or like many mention to look cool. But there are lines one should not cross I learned that you get admiration sometimes just my not following the masses. If you speak out at times you actually may help some of the cowards in your group who fears looking uncool etc..

I couldn't help but to notice that in most of the threads we referred to the kids desecrating graves, churches etc.

Well here in the north of Ireland, we have adults burning down churches, because one side doesn't believe in the Catholic faith, or the other in the Protestant faith! Tit for Tat and so on.

As on the local news here in Ireland we have found out that also graves have been desecrated to hide weapons in.. I wonder how many would roll over in their final resting place knowing that!

It just ain't on, or right.

I've never really "gotten" cemetaries. When I die, I want to be donated to a medical school and then cremated and thrown away...I dont feel a need to be taking up space when dead..and if I can increase the cadaver:student ratio at a med school...all the better.
When I see a cemetary, I think about better use of the land and how wasteful our treatment of our dead actually is...the chemicals, the attempt to prevent re-entry to the food chain, the expense, the use of land and casket materials...
I suppose its worth it if it gives comfort to the families/friends? But...I dont understand why it gives comfort to the families and friends...I guess I'm not much of a historian

On the other hand...vandalism is bad...no real point in senselessly destroying something that might be incredibly meaningful to someone. I can't say that I'm personally devastated by these acts, but I dont see what people have to gain from them.

As for what I would do...when I ran into some kids I used to babysit (now high school age) spray painting some gravestones, I yelled for them to cut it out and find something better to vandalize.

burying people in coffins does take up a lot of land space and well, they are working on freezing techniques and making it to where we take up less space. LOL

uhm
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am I too young for this?
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some tome stone fall by them selves too u no they just rot after a few years

ive never seen it done and it doesnt happen that much around here with them being gated and protected after day light. I would be the one caretaking them if i could.

I've never witnessed anyone doing this but, we had a episode a couple of years ago were kids ran around pushing gravstones... It really pissed me of!

I don't believe in visiting graves or maintaining flowers etc on a grave year after year BUT, I do have the outmost respect for other peoples beliefs!

There is no greater thing that can piss me of than people who don't respect others and freely act out their ego!

I'm getting mad just thinking about it...
*thinking cool thoughts*

i have never witnessed one, but if i ever saw it, i would be very upset. i think that's it's very disrespectful

I havent actually seen a vadalism in the process. However i have seen the results, and it sadens my heart. Not too long ago, someone, i dont know who, burnt down a church. And then the other day i was driving and Saw i huge beautiful old old two story house where someone had broken all the windows out of it, and spray painted crap all over it. *sigh* ANd then not too long ago, my friend was telling me about the grave of a 8 YEAR OLD CHILD with its tomb knocked over, and trash all around the grave. Why must people be so heartless, it was a childs final resting place for gods sake :(

I saw it is rather sad. but i guess its in our nature to hurt others and only value whats our own. and i say the elders should teach the youngest about respect. which is something that is dying we rather look cool in the eyes of our younger peers then to discipline them. which makes no sence to me

I have to say I never seen anything like that happen around here but it goes on. Now if I see something like that happen, they better hope I dont get my hands on them.

Who knows, maybe to some people destorying things that should be permanent is one hell of a statement. I mean if you have the power to change certain things, when you can't change the shit in your life, i bet it would feel damn good to destroy things.
I see these sort of things and it does make me pause for a bit. but since graveyards don't matter much to me because the person is already passed on and the family has other ways to remember them, and I don't really appreciate churches of any kind. Who knows I'm not the best person to be putting in my opinion.

Children and teenagers learn from their parents. If their parents have no respect for property, or fail in their parenting skills what chances do their children have?

They think it is normal to wreck, and destroy. They see violence, crime and war on television and in the media. Why should the kids/teenager be blamed?

This doesn't mean that they shouldn't take the consequences of their actions however, but parents have to recognise that it is their responsibility too.

In Lakewood there is this place in Steilacoom, The Old Western State Hospital, it's in ruins now.

Barely visible at all yet there is a park all around it now. Lunatic Asslyum. People go there to see it, the building and the cellars. Like a bomb had gone off or something.

Yet there is graffitti everywhere. I've pictures. It's haunted and all that jazz, yet kids go there to hang out and drink and whatever else.

Burn fires in barrels. That place is never left alone, people are always there. Moving something, writing something.

I agree with Bebop

yes, graffitti acn be very annoying also.

oops, *can*

I also agree with Bebop. But, It just doesn't upset me, it pisses me off. Anyway they always get what is comming to them, but even so I would stop them at all costs. Their stupidity baffles me sometimes.

I'm sorry to say but I have been witness to one or more of these acts and that is only because I often visit a cemetary or graveyard at night to think and the few times I have seen these act I have called the police and waited for the police to arrive waiting upto 15 minuites of the police not arriving until I choose to do something and I have come out of it with bruises but I took my opponent down with me and well I have been arrested a couple of times because of it so I no longer pay much attention

I too feel the same way. I think you should respect the dead and the places in which they lay. I am very careful when I visit such places and I guess you could say I take this belief to an extreme because out of respect for the dead I always hold my breath when I am passing a cemetary. I am not sure why, it is just something I have always done. It is like giving them a moment of silence or something.

i have never witnessd any vandalizim, but i have seem the results to many times