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oblyvia
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I have seen the Satanic bible recommended in threads here several times. I am curious about people's opinion of LeVay and his beliefs.

I personally appreciate some satanic philosophy, but find LeVay to be more interested in stroking his own ego than teaching anyone anything.

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LaVey , not LeVay , was a good man and a good satanist .



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Aye, sorry...still half asleep.

I was hoping for more though. What about him do you like/respect?

I know enough about him to have formed an opinion, but not enough that its written in stone.



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i had the satanic bible used against me once so its not particularly my favourite book lol



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There are a lot satanic editions.I agree in most things he wrote but not all of it.

Also I have to know what people mean by satanic life style...cause if that means to be an asshole with everyone they're just fooling themselves.

Also sometimes I feel I know more than those kids who claim to be satanists!



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a true satanist does NOT worship the devil but THEMSELVES..to a satanist, man is god. i think it's a bigoted and sort of egotistical way of viewing religion, but who am i to judge.
vampiro, what do you mean "used against you"? the satanic bible is alot of things, but NOT a spellbook. even had it been, i highly doubt that holds any true knowledge and certainly no power.



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very interesting point..also to consider when the Satanic Bible was written...and for whom



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LaVey was a good man , a true satanist and the founder of the church of satan- no one even comes close



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oblyvia
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queenoftheoccult, I appreciate your sentiments, but again, why do you feel that way? What about him makes him a "good man"?

I'm not arguing the point, I was just hoping for some details. Like I said, I know a lot of facts about him, but not many details.



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Magus Peter H Gilmore has alot of informative things to say about the man himself... Try looking into his stuff online.



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the santanic bible is a big ego trip for thoughs that dont know what there reading but it all leys in the reader



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He did his best to counter act an era of "theological sheep" by creating "philosophical lions" Therefore i have respect for his efforts. As well i have read much on him being an outstanding family man. He appears to have been a very humorous character indeed... He was the serious joke, proving how easy it was to get under the publics skin... Further proving the establishments fear of independent thought and free will.



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The 9 satanic sins written by LeVay.
This should in a nut shell give you an idea on his ideas.

1. Stupidity—The top of the list for Satanic Sins. The Cardinal Sin of Satanism. It’s too bad that stupidity isn’t painful. Ignorance is one thing, but our society thrives increasingly on stupidity. It depends on people going along with whatever they are told. The media promotes a cultivated stupidity as a posture that is not only acceptable but laudable. Satanists must learn to see through the tricks and cannot afford to be stupid.

2. Pretentiousness—Empty posturing can be most irritating and isn’t applying the cardinal rules of Lesser Magic. On equal footing with stupidity for what keeps the money in circulation these days. Everyone’s made to feel like a big shot, whether they can come up with the goods or not.

3. Solipsism—Can be very dangerous for Satanists. Projecting your reactions, responses and sensibilities onto someone who is probably far less attuned than you are. It is the mistake of expecting people to give you the same consideration, courtesy and respect that you naturally give them. They won’t. Instead, Satanists must strive to apply the dictum of “Do unto others as they do unto you.” It’s work for most of us and requires constant vigilance lest you slip into a comfortable illusion of everyone being like you. As has been said, certain utopias would be ideal in a nation of philosophers, but unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately, from a Machiavellian standpoint) we are far from that point.

4. Self-deceit—It’s in the “Nine Satanic Statements” but deserves to be repeated here. Another cardinal sin. We must not pay homage to any of the sacred cows presented to us, including the roles we are expected to play ourselves. The only time self-deceit should be entered into is when it’s fun, and with awareness. But then, it’s not self-deceit!

5. Herd Conformity—That’s obvious from a Satanic stance. It’s all right to conform to a person’s wishes, if it ultimately benefits you. But only fools follow along with the herd, letting an impersonal entity dictate to you. The key is to choose a master wisely instead of being enslaved by the whims of the many.

6. Lack of Perspective—Again, this one can lead to a lot of pain for a Satanist. You must never lose sight of who and what you are, and what a threat you can be, by your very existence. We are making history right now, every day. Always keep the wider historical and social picture in mind. That is an important key to both Lesser and Greater Magic. See the patterns and fit things together as you want the pieces to fall into place. Do not be swayed by herd constraints—know that you are working on another level entirely from the rest of the world.

7. Forgetfulness of Past Orthodoxies—Be aware that this is one of the keys to brainwashing people into accepting something new and different, when in reality it’s something that was once widely accepted but is now presented in a new package. We are expected to rave about the genius of the creator and forget the original. This makes for a disposable society.

8. Counterproductive Pride—That first word is important. Pride is great up to the point you begin to throw out the baby with the bathwater. The rule of Satanism is: if it works for you, great. When it stops working for you, when you’ve painted yourself into a corner and the only way out is to say, I’m sorry, I made a mistake, I wish we could compromise somehow, then do it.

9. Lack of Aesthetics—This is the physical application of the Balance Factor. Aesthetics is important in Lesser Magic and should be cultivated. It is obvious that no one can collect any money off classical standards of beauty and form most of the time so they are discouraged in a consumer society, but an eye for beauty, for balance, is an essential Satanic tool and must be applied for greatest magical effectiveness. It’s not what’s supposed to be pleasing—it’s what is. Aesthetics is a personal thing, reflective of one’s own nature, but there are universally pleasing and harmonious configurations that should not be denied.

I personally think that people are saddly mistaken on LeVay's way of thinking. He may have been a bit egotistical but if you really think about it who isnt, and as some have said the Satanic faith is a faith based souly on the human race and not so to speak higher beings and gods or goddess whatever you may believe. If you read his work you will find that it isnt about being an asshole its more about not being ignorant. I agree with his way of thinking when it comes to a social standpoint but I dont think that I am a god, that is the only difference.



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I read very little of his work, but I can tell you this, I bet Anton LaVey loved Nietzsche. And I have to agree with some of the so called "satanic sins" (I don't believe in the concept of sin). I think that the way he stated that god is Man, was a somewhat realistic aproach concerning Man's condition in this world, with incredible similarities with Nietzsche had already said many years before him.



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And you were right Oblyvia. His birth name was Howard Stanton Levey



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the guy basically took the Holy Bible and changed some shit around, added a few things and either way hes still a fuckin Christian



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don't believe a word of him. least he's dead.



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greyeyes has it right. well said.



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I have read the Satanic Bible twice and what I get out of it is do what you want and not feel bad which is the opposite of Christians and their idea of asking for forgiveness. As far as the book being used against someone my best friend's car window got busted when her boyfriend left his copy laying in site, go figure.



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i have the bible and have used it



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LaVey did have a lot of great ideas. As to whether he was a great person, well, I didn't know him. And yes, Nietzsche was one of his major influences.
The thing I find interesting about the basic ideas of LaVeyan Satanism is that it isn't really a moral guidline, the way many religions are. Yes, he does outline certain sins, but these are mainly against stupidity. It's basically preaching to be true to yourself. Do as you wish, but do it right. Be smart about it. This doesn't say be a good person, etc. Listing stupidity as the most grevious sin implies this to a certain degree, but also allows for circumstance. I like this idea. A lot. But at the same time, it suffers from some of the same flaws as Marxism. Humanity as a whole cannot function like this.

And the Satanic Bible does incorporate magick and ritual, as well as invocations. I'm far less familiar with these sections of the book however. And I'll leave my personal beliefs towards magick out of this.



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judging from this thread I already know I am going to be unpopular here but I am going to say it anyways. I , in my humble opinion, believe that the world arond me is better off when I work towards the betterment of all the people in my little circle of life. Me being self centered is not necissarily contrary to that issue. When I see people growing and becoming happier and stronger people it makes me a happier and stronger. I do not believe that hate ever produced anything positive and I do believe in right and wrong.

At the end of the day, you have to make this decision for yourself but Levey had no truth in him only the desire to be known for something anything.. he is and it is not for anything good.



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oblyvia
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Cadamia, your opinion is much closer to my first impression of him than anyone elses thus far.



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i have a simler story to danzig , i left the necronomicon, ( i relize this isnt the same book as LaVey, an yeah i prolly spelled it wrong to) in a friends car an wile he was merging on to the high way he got hit after his car stallid out, he is fine tho...now. I didnt get past the testimony of the mad arabe



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Odd....I think you guys are looking way to into the effects of owning LeVay's work or the Necronomicon for that matter. I own some of LeVay's writing even though I dont follow it, plus I also own the Necronomicon. Nothing bad has ever happened to me and I've own them for a while.



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Even had both of the books for a while but it never happened anything to me 0_0.

And I agree with who said that to be a satanist means you are your own god.But a lot think it's just by being mean to people and say you're evil,which it has nothing to do with it at all!



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Being a modern satanist means being your own god .




Satanism is a Religion as well as a Life Style. It has many forms and many faces, yet they all deserve to be called Satanism. Most of the religions of the world have a couple different denominations within the same belief system, the same holds true in Satanism. To my knowledge there are Traditional or Spiritual Satanists, LaVeyan Satanists, Rebel Satanists and Modern Satanists. This does not mean a Satanist is limited to one type or style, perhaps some Satanists may be a little bit of all of these definitions. These are to give you a general idea of the denominations. I will touch on each of them and give a general description to help the reads better understand each one. I will provide much more details and information on Modern Satanism simply because that is how I live my life and what I chose to consider myself.

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Traditional or Spiritual Satanism - Also called Theistic Satanism or Luciferianism, is the oldest known form of Satanism. It has been around for Thousands of years and has even been traced back to the Roman times before the christian lord and savior "Jesus Christ" ever walked the Earth. The Traditional Satanists do actually claim the existence of a Satan or Lucifer as a "Higher Power or a Guiding Force." The Traditional Satanists don't literally worship Satan or Lucifer as their God. Those misconceptions have been created by the church and other nae sayers who want their respective religions to flourish on the fear of society. The Traditional Satanist looks at Satan or Lucifer as a "Father Figure" and idolize him in that capacity. It is in my understanding that some Traditional Satanists have performed a Sacrificial Ritual, but it is not required in their beliefs. Some Traditional Satanists touch on Demonology and go a lot deeper into that aspect of the spiritual realms.

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LaVeyan Satanism - LaVeyan Satanism is a label given to Satanists found mostly within but is not limited to the Church of Satan™ members. Anton Szandor LaVey founded the Church of Satan™ in October of 1966. A.S. LaVey was a very outgoing Satanist who helped propel Satanism and bring it into the publics eye. A.S. LaVey has 5 books written by him, and several others written about him since. The most popular of these 5 is "The Satanic Bible." The contents of the book might not have originated on LaVeys desk, but he compiled the information in such a way as to literally spark a (r)evolution in your mind. This book alone has brought A.S. LaVey and the Church of Satan™ millions of dollars as well as thousands of members. It is a good read and should be the platform for which to build your lifestyle, beliefs, and thoughts. A.S. LaVey is only a man, a philosopher, and the founder of the Church of Satan™, but there are many out there who have chosen to Idolize HIM while at the same time they are a Satanist. This is where the LaVeyan Satanist term is coined.

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Rebel Satanism - Rebel Satanism is a form of Satanism where you find the most misfits and social outcasts. This is the form of Satanism that actually brings Satanists in general a bad name. They are the rebellious teenagers and the drug addicts who might not have ever even read The Satanic Bible and just use the "evil image" of Satanism as a release. I am not trying to imply that "Goth's" are social outcasts and degenerates in their rebellious ways, but this type of Rebel Satanism is such and commonly associated with Gothic Lifestyles. I have actually found some of the most thoughtful, kind, and intelligent people in the world are the freaks who wear spikes, black clothes and ragged hair. Being a Rebel Satanist is usually a phase and they move on to something else shortly after it gets "old" or they actually pick up a book or two with a "cooler" belief system.

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Modern Satanism - Modern Satanism is what the majority of Satanists are in this Century. There are several Orders, Temples, Guilds, Grottos, and Churches who have popped up since the Church of Satan™ began to change their ways and members broke off. The two biggest ones: The Temple of Set™, and the First Church of Satan™ were both founded by previous members of the Church of Satan™. Modern Satanism is very similar to LaVeyan Satanism only you wont see as many "LaVeyan" supporters. This does not mean LaVey is frowned upon, or walked on, but he is only one individual in the world, and we Modern Satanists tend to always want more.

Modern Satanism is a belief system that empowers the individual to be their own God, to be their own caretaker. This does not mean you cannot have a partner in life, a significant other, or a loved one. It means you take care of yourself as opposed to prayer and false hopes asked of a God or complete stranger to do it for you. You are supposed to accept your own responsibilities and be able to accept the outcome of your actions. As a Modern Satanist, you should not depend on a myth to pay for your actions. The stories that some Jesus Christ came to Earth and has paid for your sins does NOT mean you are above the laws today, and you will be held liable for any crimes committed.

As a Modern Satanist, You thank YOURSELF for all the hard work and repetition of a task to perfect it, not some man made God. You are the one who soaked many a rag with your sweat and hard labor to become what you are. You need not thank any higher power for these skills. You would want to thank family, friends, and coworkers for their support, and comforting they have provided along the way.

It is common to find a Modern Satanist who chooses not to be apart of ANY of the Orders or Organizations about and wants only individualism. Herd Mentality is something commonly found in the Christian or Catholic Church where you're made to feel as nothing without paying them your money, or having someone else in your life. Satanism per se teaches Self-ism and Individuality. Some Satanists refuse to "join" in on anything and it makes them more comfortable being "solo." Modern Satanism as a whole is NOT Anti-Christianity. Satanism is Anti-Stupidity. Some Satanists may be, but surely not all of us. There are Anti-Religious people in every aspect and every walk of life. Satanism per se, does not speak of opposing Christianity and destroying everything they believe in. I have always tried to spread Religious Tolerance, and the rest of the Satanic Community, for the most part, feels the exact same way.

Modern Satanism per se is not full of Hate and Racism. Satanism, by some, has been considered an Elitist Belief System. This is simply because as a Satanist you should always stride to better yourself. Never settling for second best, and Never think of anyone as being better than yourself. "Second Place Iis The First Loser". The Teachers whom we encounter in life have the knowledge to pass along, and the experience of doing it before you, this does not make then BETTER than you. There is segregation in every walk of life. It is NOT the Satanic Communities who house and support the Race oriented, Hate groups, or other Militant Factions, now is it? Yet there are militant and ignorant Satanists who feel they want to take the law into their own hands and end up harming people unnecessarily.

We as Americans have the 1st Amendment right to Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Religion. What most Americans do not understand is this: You have Freedom of Speech, the right to say anything you want to say, but this does not mean you are exempt of the ramifications of your words. The Freedom of Religion means you should be able to worship, and or believe as you see fit. Regardless of social acceptance and scrutiny, be it that it is within the boundaries of the law. At times I'm led to believe Christianity is above Freedom of Religion because if you don't believe what they do "you're wrong", "you're insane", "you need help", or my favorite one is, "you're going to hell!". I am sure not all of the sheep think this way, but enough of them do.

Modern Satanism is Anti-Stupidity. Satanists are challenged to think for themselves. Satanists are challenged to use their mind. To question what does NOT seem right to them, and to NOT accept something as fact simply "because it has always been done this way!". It is pure Stupidity to follow the crowd and not know where it is going. Know where you are and what you want, this always makes it easier to get there in tact. Satanism, as with ANY religion, has Dogma. These are Basic Rules and Guidelines in which to live by, and to better yourself by. Satanism is a religion that is very flexible, and allows you to be yourself in dress, attitude and life.


Below I have provided these very Rules and Guidelines are known as The Nine Satanic Statements, The Eleven Rules of the Earth, and The Nine Satanic Sins which were established by Anton Szandor LaVey and The Church of Satan™ but surely not the ONLY Guidelines in life which the Satanist must use for Parameters in life.



-- From http://modernsatanism.com/satanism.html


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The Church Of Satan is still quite an amazing movement in terms of religion and self-perspective. I dotn agree with everything it says, but it makes a stand against christianity, which I think it necessary.



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Atleast he was real ...you could see him unlike the often written about Jesus Christ....



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just a man but he made his words known as in everything what works for some dosent work for all. my beliefs r different than his but i judge no one lest i be judged



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It's Lavey..
And Personally I think that His theories made sense from his point of view even though They don't fit in my lifestyle or my beliefs...

He was an interesting being and a smart one indeed...A good man!



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oblyvia
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The Necronomicon is a bad joke.

I think a few of you misunderstood my question. I know what Satanism is, I know the different types (I've studied all religions my whole life) and I know what is contained in the Satanic bible.

My question was not regarding Satanism, but Anton Lavey as a PERSON.



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Think about Satinism and what they believe....Now when you pratice your faith do you pretty much have the same ideas as your faith? Now think about LeVay a man who is one of the most known Santinist he believes that he is a God that should say it all, does he have an ego yes prolly does, but that is because of his faith and his ideas, does that make him a bad person, no i dont think so.



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generally every satanist believe they are "god". not just LaVey. myself included.



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I find nothing wrong with the belief systems that Lavey has disseminated, but keep in mind that it mostly in revolt towards Christianity--not that that's a bad thing. Many religions have been crafted to fly in the face of an established religion. In the east, this is true of Confucianism and Taoism. In any case, Lavey's satanism is not so much a worship of Satan, but more of reverance towards the flaws and abilities of humanity--which, not incidentally, are the very things that Christianity tends to dismiss or demonize.



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Sorry. I meant to say *LaVey* and not *Lavey*. I thought I had pressed the shift key, but apparently I didn't do so hard enough. Please forgive the mistake.



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Sorry to be the downer here, but i find any bible satanic or not is quite silly to say the least, it normally is left for one to decide what it means and written by those that wish to control others of a weeker mind set...There are examples of many types of writtings that tell stories, of "the rules" ... well i say Hogwash...If I write a book and start a good cult then perhaps my written word in 1,000 years may set the minds and life practices of those that are not able to think for themselves.... Regards Pharaoh



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Considering his life story he was a very adaptable & intelligent person who wrote some interesting stuff who whether one likes it or not made a difference to the world around him long-term.



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very charismatic and intelligent man....highly misunderstood....sometimes by choice...
and did seem to have a few of his very own cardinal sins in spades....but then again...don't we all



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Gorey
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09:34:07 Sep 11 2005
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*shrug*

the guy was totally mis-read. basically by morons.

shame really. he had some good ideas.

although he did sound a little fake from the description of him and his house in mansons book



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midnight
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15:50:21 Sep 11 2005
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LaVay I have the Bible good read ,, I dont practice ***



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02:09:03 Sep 12 2005
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he had a good idea but when I read the satanic bible it contradicted it self just like the reg. bible but not as much. that just what I think



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03:47:23 Sep 12 2005
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yes...often I wonder if those who wrote all these different books have ever actually read what they wrote...since they never seem to see these obvious contradictions



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Perhaps because they focused to write as much as they can so convinced they had it all sorted up perfectly up their heads...



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LadyAshlee
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we all know where he is at... lol



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vamp91
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08:58:41 Sep 12 2005
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we all know where he is at lol



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Candykitten03
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LaVey did stroke his own ego, but just know he was a great philosopher and had his mind in the right place. If you are concidering joining the church of satan, dont. Research and worship on your own, you find the meaning much more personal and not have to pay some god awful fee just to say you belong to the church. And to make sure we are on the same page, LaVey Satanism has absolutely nothing to do with worshiping the devil and making sacrifices, if you wish nothing of that sort. Simply, do what satisfies your own personal intrests and live life to the fullest how ever you shall desire.



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I recommend anyone with an open mind to give Satanism a chance.

You won't regret it.



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oblyvia
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Why do you recommend Satanism, and for the post before it, why do you not?

Details people, details!

I've researched Satanism enough to know its not for me. Of all the religions I've studied, and there have been many, the only ones I can apply to myself at all are Taoism (more philosophy than religion), Paganism (eclectic, with a Druidic slant) and parts of Hinduism. The common thread, which explains why Satanism is not for me, is that they focus on a greater whole. Our individual beings are relevant, but far from being the most important thing. Satanism tends to go in the opposite direction, and while a lot of the philosophical path is useful and intriguing, the religion itself is fairly destructive to the greater whole.



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Stormie
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23:50:44 Sep 12 2005
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I recommend Satanism because it's the religion that most lets you be who you are as human. God tells you sins are evil. Satanism tells you that sins are human.



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oblyvia
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OK, good point. What about seeing sins as non-existant though?



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Stormie
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I am a witch, but I am not Wiccan. Gods/Godesses are worshiped here. What makes me a Satanist, is that I believe in the "God" to be man. Everyone has thier own beliefs and a mixture of certain religions, and there are several forms of Satanism. I would be a Religious Satanist with an open mind for information. ;)



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oblyvia
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I consider myself a witch as well, also not Wiccan. I don't believe Man to be God though. I believe in Nature and Energy....



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Stormie
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00:00:29 Sep 13 2005
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oblyvia-

Good point. Sins are in the eye of the beholder most certainly, since most wrongs can be justified to rights, but we all know that there will always be dark after light, and the other side of the fence as long as there are opinions and choices..

Sins are just something that generations have taught us to keep order with these "rules" we call sins.



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Stormie
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00:02:29 Sep 13 2005
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I also believe in man to be energy. That is why I believe that man is God.

Satan may not even exist, but I believe in the rules that Satanism provides. Just be human.



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01:37:46 Sep 13 2005
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ok this was just brought to my attention today and it kind of sickens me if it is true. Although a lot of LeVay ideas work socially and I agree with them hummmm if the stuff I have read is true I'm not sure I'd agree with the way he lived his life.
check this out...
http://www.churchofsatan.org/aslv.html



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Stormie
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01:43:13 Sep 13 2005
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I am beginning to realize that religion is another thing that generations have taught us to provide order, rules, and regulations, with information that forms in our mind thier view of reality.

[Yes I have been listening to too much Salival. (Tool) Thanks Maynard James Keenan for believing in the freedom of thought and free will.]



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01:43:50 Sep 13 2005
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**blank looks** Know of him, know about him.. Dun really fallow up on him.. Can't be of too much help here...



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RavynCrow
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02:08:42 Sep 13 2005
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*realizes hes in the wrong section and walks out room quietly*



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