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These days Houses are as prevalent as teenagers wearing pentagrams and calling themselves wiccan (no offense to pentagram wearing teenagers btw)). The term Vampire seems to me to be getting mixed up with folklore and myth quite a lot and there seems to be a distinct lack of knowledge about what in real terms it means to be Vampiric.
I do think that there are three main catagories of Vampiric tendancies( I always say this and i do mean it... These are only my opinions based on what i have myself experienced over the years.) Those being
Sanguine/Sanguinarian - a Sanguinarian is someone who has a physical thirst, need, or craving for blood. This need is generally non-erotic in nature and distinguishable by the greater quantity required from the minimal amount consumed by blood fetishists
A vampire who feeds from "Pranic" life energy. AKA Psi vamp. A psychic vampire in general is a person who drains, knowingly or unconsciously, the psychic energy from those around them. Unconscious psychic vampires can be somewhat of an annoyance, as they don’t realize what they are doing and make no effort to control their feeding.

Hybrid Vampire -A vampire who is capable of feeding on both blood as well as psi energy. Though most Vamps i know are capable of both.

I know these have been covered in various other threads but i thought maybe a thread devoted to each particular one may be in order as there looks like there is a lot of confusion. One thing bothering me about the apparent lack of any real knowledge ... The very real danger of catching HIV hep ab & C etc Blood letting requires very real and stringent procedures. Also a very good knowledge of the body.

So now im going to shut up and move on lol

Oh Disclaimer.. I kow i have been hit by the typo deamons in here somewhere...

well vampireism is a way of life and wicca is a religion, and a myth usally is based on some reality

Smiles....

fine thread ,

the myth is all we listen and see in Vampire Movie especially " Hollywood movie " .
The reality is " vampirism ".

Sis since you mentioned the dangers involved in blood sharing I went ahead and tossed up two of the articles from the Lair's archives on safe techniques in the Vampire Information section of my journal. There are also two links to blood bank & blood fact sites in the Resources section of my journal that cover issues of blood types, blood born diseases and so on.

Anyone who engages in any form of blood sharing, cutting, blood fetishes etc really should review that sort of information before doing anything. There are just way too many risk factors out there for someone not to be fully versed in the dangers of what they are doing and the ways to keep themselves and their donars, partners and others safe.

TY Sis would like to see that as a thread here maybe message cancer see if the subject is acceptable as a thread

Ty for input Sonic

I am non of the above but found this thread very informational and thank you for clearing it up I was a little confused about what the differences were between them!

*nods*

Might be able to do that.

Hello Sky,

You make a very good point about the issues facing us when attempting to seperate truth from fiction- it would be interesting to see if it is possible to determine exactly what fundemental and core factors exist between the three states that you mention above.

You know Sky, we have discussed this subject loads of times in the past on Vampire Rave. You may find some useful related material if you use the search facility in the forum :)

Is call comercialism. Is a very wide topic & for my part gets on my nerve. This topic has indeed been talked in other times & threads. Just to say somethign the only reason you see a lot of people into the " " vamp idea is only because hollywood- & commercials have made it look as somehtign wow now. It has become the same as sayn a prep girl, lets see who looks better than barbie-lets see who looks better than dracula or w/e.

interesting information. yeah you can find some input on this on previous threads that dealt with this

See im just a lazy monkey..not sure about anyone else but im way to lazy to trawl through the archives.. So i apologise for going over stuff

It can be hard enough just trying to keep up with the currently active threads at times. If you want to go dig through all the older ones in the site you had best be prepared to spend a few days parked on your backside in front of the monitor lol.

myth, fantsies and stuff like it are all perseptions of what ppl beleive or what they are taught to see. so what you beleive is real then it shall be done.

I fully acknowledge the fact that most people, be it vampire or not, are unaware of where myth and reality begin. I have only had the pleasure of meeting a few outside my house that are what I would call a true vampire. Most people just out in a pair of fangs, watch a blade movie or two, and spout off dumb thigs about blood gods or whatever.
The same thing happened with the movie the craft, suddenly there was a huge boost in pentacle sales, and every poser thought that they were some new mystical creature set above the rest.
I have tried for the past several years to find out good infrmation on the topic of deeper research into our condition, and usually find nothing more than info on Vlad, Elizibeth, or in rare cases, Rod Ferrel references. The reason most are so blind about what they are, is cause there isn't enough information out there in the open.

I foro ne am gald to see this thread come up.

This topic may have been discussed here before, but having been involved in some of the recent threads there are a lot of people here at Rave who post about their lack of knowledge or seem to be saying they still believe inthe myth of the hollywood type vampire.

There's also a few who post they don't believe vampire exist but I'm not sure whether they mean hollywood type or the fact that a vampyric nature exists.

New members are coming all the time and whislt some may make the efort to go back over old threads not all will. Some same info may be puthere but there will be added input as new members will add their own experiences, lol, possibly.

For myself a vampyric is one who has the need to feed on whatever energy they can use, they can 'taste' the feed and know when they haven't or feel the effects even if they don't have the understanding.

We come across many who claim vampyr for whatever reasons, it is a welcome change to be able to discuss the topic with those who either are or know something based in reality rather than fiction.

*Zaps Sky's typo's*

I do agree with Sonik it is called Vampirism.

Ernst Casirer and Joseph Campbell have both written extensively on Myth. Whilst Casirer is more focused upon what he terms the "myth of the state" and his treatise deals with myth and Nazi Germany, both agree that myth is largely misunderstood in that myth is wrongly thought of as fiction. Myth is an attempt to explain the unknown. From the earliest pantheons to the great monotheist faiths myth persists. Vampirism for some is also myth; also a religion. I noticed earlier that there was a distinction made between lifestyle and religion. I respectfully offer a precedent and paradigm that in fact intertwines the two.

Christians of the Eastern Orthodox Churches have argued for instance that the act of going to worship on Sundays has become "cultic" among Western Christians - Catholics and protestants. By cultic they mean that worship as such has become something one does as part of one's lifestyle rather than the focus of it or, more accurately, that worship IS life.

I try in my discussions about vampyre and vampirism to be quite clear that I am not speaking necessarily of the being who drinks blood or draws its sustenance from other means. I believe that for those whom adhere to Vampirism as a religion - that is as the totality of existence - have engaged in a mythos that attempts to explain the great mysteries in a manner as valid as any other religion or belief system.

For others it is a lifestyle, but even the cultic lifestyle still strives to cope with what is unknown as well as the vagaries of one's own environment. Myth persists here as well in that the strength of the vampyre Being can control the life "variables".

IMHO, I think that when all is said and done, all things require faith and myth must accompany that faith and in fact sustains it. On a more mundane level faith pushes us every moment. We makes plans and we believe we will live to see these plans come to completion.

Tangential seemingly I admit, but then, we are tackling a subject that has filled more volumes than perhaps any other. I do believe that Vampirism is a religion every bit as valid as Wicca, Christianity, Satanism, or any other belief - or non-belief system you care to name. Remember, it ultimately takes the same amount of faith for the atheist to pull back the starry curtain and say there is no God/Goddess as it does the Believer.

Fundamently I believe we must therefore ask not whether Vampyres are Myth or Legend. They are most certainly the former whilst the Cubs winning the Series is the latter. We must ask what is the persistence of vampyric myth in almost every culture trying to explain.

Thanks for wading through this admittedly disjointed passell of ideas. I hope I have made some sense.

Vlad

I enjoyed reading that Vlad ty for the input

great thread sky and lovely post Vlad...i enjoyed reading all of it....

TY hun i kinda liked reading it all too lol

Thank you Vamplastat for your comments. I am glad it was at the very least readable.

Be well

To Sky:

*Laughs* Kinda??

hmmm this question is tough i did have a point but now i have forgot it ..lol..sorry

*looks at Vlad and grins*

And you accuse me of making long winded posts brother dearest?

Excellent post none the less and I really did enjoy reading it.

Hiya Vlad...

A very insightful and clrearly well educated post. It wasn't too hard to read and didn't really run away with itself...I liked what you said.

One thing I would say and I don't *think* that it contradicts you, is that even though the vast majority that might call themselves Christian, for example, cram all their worship in on a Sunday and don't generally 'live the lifestyle' every day, it shouldn't detract from their system of beleif if they feel that they are getting their spiritual needs catered for in this way.

Its funny- people get abuse for being 'weekend satanists' or 'vampire posers' because they refuse to immerse themselves too deeply into the related culture and mythos. I wonder why there is no such thing as a weekend Christian?

I see so often that people claim to be vampyres because they live the lifestyle fully and have all the associated paraphenalia and fetishes, but, it's rare that we get the reasoned arguments that a vampyre in modern western society still has to survive in and/or fight their way out of the rigidly imposed system of education, work, etc, before they can truly express themselves freely.

In the meantime, they still have to pay the bills, cloth their children and pander to the ideals of society in order to reach a point of stability from which they can develop themselves to their potentials.

The reality is that their is no nation, no country or city that is the sole domain of the vampyre and so, they must survive in the shadows of reality in which the everyday person lives.

Agree with you so much Stabb, and have to say the 'weekend christian' quote made my day lol

*Smiles at Vlad*

As always you take things to a higher level. Have enjoyed reading through al this again.

I have heard "weekend christians" also called "churchians" just as fitting don't you think?

lol Stabb

While I haven't heard the term "weekend Christians" the phrase "twice a year's" (Christmas and Easter) is certainly popular where I am from.

I agree that a person's spiritual fulfillment is a private matter. Our relationship with whatever higher power we happen to believe in is our own business and should not be judged by anyone.

Indeed, hence why I don't agree with 'organised' religions.

It's one of the reasons that I stayed away for a LONG time.

@_@ *Gets googly eyed from reading the long first post*...ehh...I think I got lost..but if I read this correctly, I think my response would have to be the differance between the myth and the reality is all the books and movies vs actual practices. Gah! I mean there is the Blah blah blah I vant to suck your blood cape wearing, slick haired count that turns all batty ...and then there is the real life individuals who embrace it as a way of life...cripes..am I mixing threads again? Erm...ok. Yeah.

Hi Stabb,

Thank you for kind words. Indeed, your wise words do not contradict my thoughts. I look forward to continued discussion and even spirited debate. I am indeed feeling that I have found a wellspring of well read Beings that challenge me. It is just as intoxicating as the act of the Hunt.

Be well Stabb.

To Nastya,

Sometimes in my attempts to take things hire I frequently only attain the dizzying heights of mediocrity. But, it is the process more than the goal that thrills me. I wonder if it is the same for many of us here? Perhaps the old adage "the thrill of the hunt" is true after all?

Elyria,

You make a good point about my long winded posts. There was a time before I became an entertainer and card cheat that truly wanted to be a Jesuit priest. Now, bear in mind that those guys do not brush their teeth - they FILE them. Anyhow, just look at some of the books written by theologian Hans Kung and you will SEE long winded. *Laughs

Wicca and Vampirism are an odd combination because of the Wiccan beliefs that whatever you do to someone comes back 3 times worse.

*Smiles at Vlad*

I would say your mediocrity is most peoples heights.......but perhaps I'm biased lol

You made some succinct points, am thinking before I make a reply

And the hunt, h well do we not hunt in many pleasureable ways?

As much as I love you Vlad and as much as I respect your faith and your beliefs and your devotion to them....I don't think I would ever be able to think of you as a priest.

well wicca is a religion and a myth is something that has a basis in fact but is still mainly fiction

Vlad, I laughed at your comment about the Cubs winning the Series. I like this thread. It may clear up a lot of misconceptions on this site.

but the trouble is why must people find this somewhat urgent need to "expose" themselves when it would mean ridicule, judgment and isolation? I totally agree with Stabb about those people "claiming" to be vampires yet know nothing about the real essence of vampirism.. It's not actually all fun and games when one is afflicted with such a condition..

A Sang must always establish trust with his/her donor since they both need to practice hygine as well as have healthy physical conditioning... A Psy must always know how to channel the energy he/she feeds on and how to control the "hunger".. both still living out a normal life amongst those who are unaware of what they are actually going through.. A "vampire's" life is not glamorous at all..

Something like this is always going to get mistaken and seen as a trend.

Glad that here I've found people that can make a distinction between reality and fiction.

I can understand certain people are born with a condition but I dislike it when they think they're vampires of the myhts -_-

If I had certain conditions I would have kept them to myself ecxept for maybe close friends and I repeat:Maybe!

Cause I would know the risks of judgementality so why risking.

Agreed. As soon as someone hears the word 'vampire', they automatically associate it with the image it's been given in Hollywood and storybooks.

*grins at LaMuerte*

Yeh, but when the 'normal' people alk about Vampyr and you throw in the odd coment about Hollywood being bunkum and the 'real' ones who hunt........lol, the look on their faces is a dream.

Of course if you know how to play the game you don't expose yourself..........mind you people have always said I'm weird (if they likeme) and other things but not so I can hear them lol....having a big vamp tattood on my back makes them wonder as well .....

Exposure isonly dangerous if you haven't the skill or wit to deal with it and deflect it, so probably for most it's best to stay in the shadows.

Some myths are based on reality...so if you believe in a few of the ancient myths then most of the real world should be solid...but vampirism is a way of life and wicca is more of a religion...something to be followed not lived.

I is all confuzzled about the main topic of this thread but thanks for clearing up the differences between the three types! That really helped me out a bit.

hey alex, think you'll find the main topic was to show the main types of vampire as they are and not just an extension of goth wicca or wannabe.....

To: XtroubleX Bad as well as good comes back 3 times but there is nothing bad about being a Vampire, if one gives theirself to you

Very good post Sky and Vlad and Nas and El and Stabb lol this was a fun one to read thanks guys!!

Glad you enjoyed it Ad

Great thread Sky. Very informational.

Okay...in the myth, vampirism was just something that everyone is afraid of, at least the people that dont understand it...Now in reality, vampirism isn't to be afraid of...it is to be embraced,and enjoyed...now, there are private clubs,societies/communions for this certain belief.

My question in response...and this may be something for a new thread....is "Is vampirism (as in the sanguine/psy/pranic type...not the mythological type) a chioce or not?"

I hear people calling it a lifestyle, a belief, and/or a fetish...which all would imply that it is a condition that one chooses. However, on the other hand, you have those who say that they must feed in order to live...which implies that it is not a choice.

Again, perhaps a new thread is in order on this, but I think that it semi-relates to the original topic since the non-choice version seems to be the one that fewer people believe in when it's mentioned.

I think that would make a great thread do a check to see it snot been done before nad get it up...think that would be a really good discussion

It really depends on the person in question. I was never really given a choice as it were, I just did it until I realized (for the most part, that is), what I was doing.

Different sources will give you different information, but from what I've read and I believe, vampirism is not a choice. you are either born with the condition or not. It can't be 'given' to you.

What do you mean it’s not a choice? The only reason we are what we are is because we choose to be the way we are. It’s what separates us from everything else, choice. If we did not have the opportunity of have choice, then it would seem as if another had the control over everyone, & I seriously doubt that anyone here likes to be controlled.

Sometimes you are not given a choice. There are medical conditions such as Porphyria and
Renfield's Syndrome

Well it depends. Some people believe they are myths and others believe it was reality and therefore have been prevoked to do such things.

Reality is something that you can see and can research it to be completely true. A myth is something that was once very partailly true but has been "diluted" or rearranged to be something more acceptable than it once was.