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For a long time now I have asking peeps /witches what they feel are the mechanics behind their magic symbols that make them effective.And what their symbols are used for.Sadly I got no answers other than belief.Does anyone have something different they would like to contribute to this question and talk about? Thanks all .

There is a chick on youtube who describes the effects of all magick tools... look into like Satanicmagicktools or something of that nature

Oh ok,I will look.Thank you for that info.
And how about you personally? Do you have any thoughts on it?

Of course I can't speak for others, but here is how it is for me. I fill my tools, pendants, etc, with my energy. So when I run low on energy, I can basicly use them, especially my stones and pendant, to refill me to a certain degree. I kind of try to fill certain items with different kind of energies. As example, my pendant, I fill it with protective energy. My healing stones i try to atune with healting energy from me and so on.

I hope that helps a bit :)

Thank you Hex,that is really interesting.
So,do you feel that the symbol itself is basically empty before you fill it with your energy?

I wouldn't say empty because (at least I personally feel) that they have some energy from either whomever made them (cups, knives, etc) or from nature (stones and such)...

I think its more making sure they have positive energy and that they are attuned with you...

At least once a month I always go through all of my tools and give them a cleaning and refill of good happy energy just in case they are running low or (depending on what I needed to use them for) just to make sure they are still "attuned" properly to me.

oh i have a few views on that, you should have asked...lol

My personal view is how I see magick. All Ceremonies and Symbols are merely a focus for ones personal Magick. Each is a focus to center ones will and mind and power into what they are wanting to work. Once one is centered enough, the symbols and the ceremonies and spells nolonger matter.

Now this, I can agree on. Save for in some of the higher forms of the esoterics, certain symbols and tools have to be used in order for gates to be open into other dimensions. There is really no way around this.

Actually SS there is a way around it,but thank you for you imput..Anything else you would like to add please?Do you use one symbol during a ceremony? Or multible?

OniKumo,I happen to agree with you in that they are an aid to help one focus.
Do you put energy into yours too as some believe??
I am of the believe that energy is energy.Neither bad, happy, evil or good.What is your take on that?

the phallus is my personal magickal symbol,i see it's symbol in alot of things i believe it has strength,power and and a sence of immortality in it,of course it is a masculine symbol which i also believe symbolizes mans authority to be head.

You feel the phallus gives your magic strength? Or ???

correct i feel it gives me a stronger connection with the pagan gods to perform rights and spells

Any ideas how ? How it might give you a stronger connection?
And thank you for answering my questions.

calls lorena bobit up..." yes i have a job for you, castrate all the pagan gods like a good christian woman"


So thats what the dudes penis represented he was a pagan and she couldnt cope so she cut it off....thats a good way to put a god in his place if his center is only the penis *writes this down for notes*

i associate the phallic symbolism with creation and thats how i associate it with giving me strenth in magick performances

but creation is found within the female as the generative womb, there is no power beyond feminine and masculine intertwined, there is no balance if it is only the male forces, without the female to balance.

this can be observed in androgne, when lillith was still upon adams backside

i believe both aspects womb and phallic symolism have their right to creation in the pagan gods and goddesses depending on the practitier and he or shes personal belief

So you would use both in one ceremony ?Is there a paticular sound associated with the phallic symbol?

in some cases yes usually the womb is symbolized as a bowl or challice while the phallic symbol can be an athemae and wand i believe not one alone can claim fun right of creation as it is a sharing of both since either one can create by themselves but i do believe the phallic symbolism to be the giver of creation and the womb symbolism to be the hollder of creation now when i say creation i do not mean as god or any nonesence like that i just mean newness and renewing

Thanks for explaining that MMFate.Do you use sound in Pagan magic?

In certain highest forms of the esoteric rites, symbols are very much nessessary and unfortunately there is no way around it. There would be no key to opening any gate if these symbols were not available. Most do not dabble in the highest forms of esoterics. These reach beyond the kabbalah, gnostic, etc. As well as they are a bit higher then enochian.

There is sound impimented in the rites as well, more for tuning into the dimensional frequencies, but one would need to know which frequencies fit which dimensions.

This discussing from my perspective would have to go into another level, from just the altar symbol discussion to proceed further. As altars are tools for incantations which are a certain form of high magic(k)s, but not the highest.

Again SS. ,this is not so that it is essential to use symbols ..no matter how high the magic..If one knows the frequency code and can attune their mind to it they can and do open gates and dimension.

And that is all magical symbols are.Dirived from cymatic patterns of frequency.Tools to help the user focus and entrain their mind to that frequency.When one already knows how to do that,you do not need a symbol .

I see where you are going with this. The awareness value of the frequency itself.

My point is that if the individual cannot attune themselves to the frequencies regularly, then the esoteric foundations of the highest magic(k)s, such as the Greater Key of Solomon comes into play.

One cannot just do it, they need to tune in first. This is unless they were already pre-programmed from the get go and either did not realize it, or denied it. The kundalini energies are not something to mess with. As they are part of the foundation for any frequency registration through the self on both the physical plain as well as the meta-physical.

Yes.And this is what I have been waiting for. To see if anyone who uses them even realized that.Everytime I have opened this thread,I always got the same answers.But it is really nice to see the replies I got here tonight.Thanks.You know what I have been researching all this time SS.

Hold on SS. that last post is not how I wanted it.Im getting LKD to remove it.I will edit it correctly and repost

LOL wow she is fast.Super natural! Thanks Lady.
Anyway,magical symbols
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My point is that if the individual cannot attune themselves to the frequencies regularly, then the esoteric foundations of the highest magic(k)s, such as the Greater Key of Solomon comes into play.

That is what I have been saying since Ive been here.In my journal.Or any symbol for that matter.

"One cannot just do it, they need to tune in first. This is unless they were already pre-programmed from the get go and either did not realize it, or denied it. The kundalini energies are not something to mess with. As they are part of the foundation for any frequency registration through the self on both the physical plain as well as the meta-physical."

If you know what frequency the symbol represents,then you read it like you would a code.Granted most cannot just attune..thus using the symbol further in ceremony.However,as you said there are those who know it instinctively and can do it without the aid of them.

One question that may come to mind from the audience, is how does one gain the achievement of the code IE find it? Would there be books, or is this base on troubleshooting alone?

A little cryptology under one's belt doesnt hurt.;)
No, seriously, Im not sure Im ready to let that one out yet.

And Im not sure if there are any books either.
I figured this on my own.I will say this though,if one does the comparisons,knows the geometry and the math , and if you know your scales and Harmonics and physics, it reveals itself. .So Id say it is a combination of different knowledge.

one must study proper education in all of this then eh oceanne? alchemy, physics, chemestry, genetics, eastern philosophy, geometry, pretty much the aim of what so called modern magick is supposed to be based on.

if this were the case, then we wouldnt need things like the lesser key at all, if you could generate a frequency to say call balefore with a thought, or rather the balefore frequency with a thought and omit the need for the spirit in the first place. Let alone the need to classfiy oneself as anything but a regular individual.....so then the whole system of castes would be eliminated, and all this effort spent trying to do personal development would end when people realize they are just energetic bodies bouncing off one another in various patterns of frequency...yes?

Pretty much Infernal ,pretty much.

The symbols are needed.It is basically like a sheet of music.It is how we can communicate the frequency code in writing.

well thats good to know

Well, I am glad I helped bring all of this to "light" with my initiate to actually discuss and question the meaning of it all. HA!

Seriously though, these things that are beings said within the last few posts are of the highest esoterics, and yet.. They have nothing to do with the esoterics. As they are all part of the higher self process and the changing of the Akashic records, or blueprint of the soul IE to become one with the universe, in a nutshell.

But they are not always needed to do the magic itself.Only as a record for some.And an entrainment tool for others.
Still others access the Akashic record and do not need symbols at all.They feel the frequency itself.So yes,there is a way around it SS.

what is being discussed between oceanne, myself and you at the moment is the culmination of years of application between oceanne and myself. the application differs from the discussion to protect the nature of the research.

What is discussed herein goes beyond the foundations of what you conceive as the akashic records. but this dance is becoming tiresome. I retire.

Eh the posts got a little out of sync.Its late and Im hitting the hay too.
Last words on this.
I believe
Symbols do have their place but are not always necessary .
Symbols represent frequency and harmonic patterns.
They are frequency codes.Know the codes,put together correct harmonics=powerful magic.

nite!

Of course the dance is tiresome, you are used to the already discussed topic, and have been bored of it for quite some time now. As would anyone be if they had to repeat the same conversation over and over again in a 5 to 10 year span. I know I do... But the convo is there to teach others, this is what a lecture is for. Those who would profess any type of experience in any field knows this. Which is why they are called teachers.

Please don't undermine my intelligence and think that I don't understand the concept(s) and or where you are taking the audience. I know all to well and am quite familiar with the concept, formalities, etc. It is nothing new to me. I simply post my opinions because the audience has the right to know, whether I already know or not. I just ask the right questions for their benefit.

There is that something that is never taught out in the open and this discussion is part of that something. So, please continue...

Youre kidding right? About the boredom?
No,S.S.it is late,and my posts arent making any sense anymore.I have to keep bugging LKD to delete my posts because Im too tired to write at 2 AM.
Youre right ,this hasnt been taught out in the open.Cause I wasnt teaching it.But I have been trying to introduce it here for a long time.
And lets not talk about undermining SS. Cause I know EXACTLY where you were with this when I first brought it to your attention in 07 in my Nature of majick threads and Wolf started shrouded council in order for me to do my research and share it with you guys.So lets not go there ok?
As far as anymore disscussion on it tonight for me? No.Im tired.Besides,let those who are even interested,digest it a little.Theres alot to think about.Then maybe we can get more practitioners talking about it .
Now good night and thank you guys for your participation.

I hate time zones, I keep on missing out on really interesting discussions lol

Now to answer your question, no they are not empty, they have their own energy and I kinda tap into it and add my own to it.

Just think of a moonstone, i cant energize it, since I'm not the moon, but I can give it my own 'vibrabtions' so to say.

MasterMindedFate, I totally understand the phallic thing, just look at a wand, its nothing but a phallus, athame just another phallic symbol. *thinks of the neighbour who drives the porsche* ;)

personally, i feel anything mass produced is garbage. I believe some artifacts could have a significant magick power or work as a great channel.
Home-made items are great as well if you put effort into them

Symbols are the way my mind works. I create symbols in my mind even if I don't draw it out. It's the way my conscious mind connects with the metaphysical. Symbols represent the abstract concept used to achieve an end through magical means.

Symbol aren't everything; I think the medium used is very dependant on the individual.

"I hate time zones, I keep on missing out on really interesting discussions lol"

I do too Hex,and when it gets late and I get tired,I get cranky when I have to think.Thankfully,S.S. has known me long enough ,and knows that even though I spazed out on him,that I was tired.My mind just shuts down.
Hopefully that wont happen again.
Damit SS you make me think too hard.Sorry I got mean on ya.

'Now to answer your question, no they are not empty, they have their own energy and I kinda tap into it and add my own to it. '

I would like to ask what it is you add? Is it more of basically directing it?Or something else? Or both?

"Just think of a moonstone, i cant energize it, since I'm not the moon, but I can give it my own 'vibrabtions' so to say. "

Sortof a personalized letter so to speak?

MasterMindedFate, I totally understand the phallic thing, just look at a wand, its nothing but a phallus, athame just another phallic symbol. *thinks of the neighbour who drives the porsche* ;)

Ive been thinking about the phallic thing and Im not real sure I get that whole concept yet.

Judas,you bring up a good point.Im thinking along the line of maybe it really isnt the mass produced thing in itself that would make it garbage,but more along the lines of the materials?Because different materials have different frequencies and are good or bad conductors.I feel this is why alchemy was so important .The choice of materials would make a world of differnce .

Symbols can mean a number of different things depending on the person, location etc. It doesn't have to be magickal. Most symobols symbolize something of significance to different people. It be one thing to one person but something completely different to someone else.

Homemade things mean one thing to the person who made it but may mean something else to another person. It just depends on the persons view

Thanks Nighting...
"Symbols represent the abstract concept used to achieve an end through magical means. "
Would you mind explaining this a bit more to me?

It seams to me, that although symbols often represent entities; that is usually because they designate relationship.

What do you mean by relationship?

I was thinking that when an entity has a symbol,it is the representaion of that entities frequency.

* Entity's*

"Symbols can mean a number of different things depending on the person, location etc. It doesn't have to be magickal. Most symobols symbolize something of significance to different people. It be one thing to one person but something completely different to someone else."

Thanks for your imput Mischka.Nice Russian name btw.Only we spell it without the k.I do understand that they mean different things to different peeps and are not always magical.However,it is my belief that the ones that are magical it is because of their cymatic pattern.The resonance itself is what makes it so.

'Homemade things mean one thing to the person who made it but may mean something else to another person. It just depends on the persons view"

ok,while I get where you're coming from with that statement,when it comes to symbols used in magic,I do not agree that it depends on anyone's view and that they could mean whatever that person wants it to..The patterns are the result of cymatics.That means that the pattern itself is created by a certain frequency.A good example of this is the Swatstika.That symbol means alot of different things to alot of people,very true. .But in reality,it is the result of a pattern created by sound.That paticular sound is a key to universal movement.Look at it... is it a bent cross or something?Or is it really the representaion of movement known as Universal spin..ie, hurrican? Vortex?

Typo..I meant without the C.Mishka.

Anyway,it is pretty kool when one hears the sound equivalent of these patterns and when one starts doing the overlays in order to get the harmonics.If I can get into my photobucket,I will post some examples of this.

It my common practice to use the name and sigil of the angel/demon being summoned to perform the magic being sought. The name of a spirit embodies the identity and power of the spirit. By knowing and controlling the name, the vampyre is able to control the spirit.

Yes Doru,and thank you for your imput too,I was wondering if you were going to give us some insight as to how you feel about it..
"The name of a spirit embodies the identity and power of the spirit.'
I will take this a little further by asking you to explain a little more please?

I uses crystals and magical symbol jewlery to store energy. that way I when I feel low I put them on th recharge.

Alrighty then... My tools are a mirror, an hourglass, one card from a certain tarot deck, a certain colored candle for a certain day or variation of candles for distinct days, incense, a pentacle, an athame, a Greater Key of Solomon, a Square and Compass, a crystal ball, a quartz crystal or at times an amethyst, a live or dead rose or one of its peddles, etc.

For what use? This is for only me to know... But let us just say that it has something to do with the workings of a personal Novena.

why a tool, to do what you can do for yourself?

don't everyone use different tools for the same outcome depending on what you feel and practice. If this is the case wouldnt it be the person and not the tools that hold the magic.

I dont have a magical symbol,I just do what I can to help people out,sometimes it works,sometimes it dont,but I try :D

Aronoch,what kind of symbol would be empty?And how do you store energy in it?

SS. Damn,you have a whole symphony going! I am really not interested in what you do or why,but more in how you think using all these things makes your rite more powerful? The harmonic combination? or to help keep you as the practitior remain foucused throughout?

i miss using hour glasses, they were fun

What did you use them for Infernal?Does it represent anything other than time?You trap things in it?

you got it, and also separated time with it

I won't specify what I use them for, but I will tell of their involvement through quantum relations.

Each item is separated by its distinct rhythm as I am sure you are well aware. These rhythms harmonize one another if done in a certain way. Much like beethoven's symphony's being in agreeance to the celetrial databases. Which is why the celetrial hierarchy response in such a way that is pleasing and not detrimental.

You are correct in assuming that objects have their own frequencies. To get to know certain tones though, one needs to research each object and its meaning behind it. Why it is significant to begin with as well as why it would help in an invocation, ritual, incantation or gate alignment.

Think of it this way... Have you ever heard of a practice called "Quantum Jumping"?

Quantum Jumping:

Abrupt change from one energy level to another, especially such a change in the orbit of an electron with the loss or gain of a quantum of energy.

A quantum leap.

A change in a system (e.g. an atom or molecule) from one quantum state to another.

Or in another way of looking at it, Quantum Jumping is the process of “jumping” into parallel dimensions. In a nutshell, one would jump on a subconsious level into an alternate reality and from there? Now that is another thread.

All of this has to do with the range of the "higher self" that I keep discussing. Spiritual Alchemy at its finest. All the objects again when used in the proper way, will take on a harmonic frequency that opens a certain door or path of enlightenment and the individual from there will gain an awareness they never thought possible.

Other things may happen, depends on just how far one wants to go with the entire scenerio. It may seem scary at first, with the new feelings and all that.. But when one gets used to it... WOW!

Though this is not what the Novena is entirely about. I am simply explaining one of the basis for it.

TheDoctor I'm with you there. For me a symbol or tool is just a help to enhance what it's there already anyway from me. Again thats just my personal belief and experience, I cant manipulate that's not there already. You can transform it, erase it, enhance it, etc, but you can't change it 100% that's just not in the nature of things.

"I would like to ask what it is you add? Is it more of basically directing it?Or something else? Or both?"

It's kind of difficult for me to explain since it's not always something I kind of do on purpose, I just do it kind of. I kind of listen into the item, try to 'feel' it and mix my 'energy' with it. I try to be part of it, not master it or take advantage of it. It's more like I ask for it's help and offer it a bit of myself. I think symbiosis is a good word for it. *smiles* It's what I mainly try to do with people I meet and like too. It's a going next to each other, not ahead or behind. It's together.

~Hex~, I think you are describing the early stages of psychometry.

Oh, I don't know what that is 'runs off to google'

Oh, that's what John Smith does in the Death Zone TV show, right?

Being wiccan, whenever I get a new tool, stones, or decorations for my altar, I always do a cleansing spell and "charge" it with my energy. I do not put anything on my altar that has not been charged with my energy. I don't need negative energies or 'manufacturing' energies from other people or places to affect my magick. A tool is meaningless to a witch if it has not been charged by him or her.

Also, it is not cool to touch items on another persons altar. My altar is not out in plain view so it is safe from energies of others who do not know this.

These are really great replies,and I thank you.I am wondering Venus,what energy to you put into a tool?How do you feel putting your energy would make a tool effective?

I agree with the frequency thing; I believe that frequency is a result of how it interacts with other entities. A symbol, I believe, not only represents frequency using formula, but also tends to represent where it is in relationship to other important entities.

For example the triangle within a circle. Man + Woman + Child + Protection (Home) = the symbol for family. Each aspect of the symbol describes the relationship with the other entities. This symbol can also represent the #4, but more often, the number for represents this relationship and stability. It is also interesting how the number 4 looks very much like a triangle in a circle (if you connected the two ends by going arround the triangle.)

The masculine and feminine symbol combined make a + sign, equalling the power of procreation, If you circle it, you get a solar cross, which represents creation... &c.

In the triangle of family the aspect of masculine and family have given up some of their identity (they are slanted instead of +) which is part of the nessesity of a functional family, each gender needs some of the aspect of the other gender to support the creation between them.

LOL you have understood my journal well,K.
Thanks for your post.

With that in mind,it isnt any wonder that some of the symbols look pretty complicated.Ss. are you basically aware of the frequency values of all of your tools?If so,how did you figure the frequency out?
Reading or actually obtaining the value yourself?

Both actually, which is why I brought up the use of psychometry. Remember, I may be well versed in several applications and sciences of the soul, but I still ask the right questions for the audiences benefit. So that they may gain a better understanding and perspective for what some of us already know and realize.

If one feels certain patterns and or signatures around objects, then they can tap into that energy and shoot it off to where it needs to be. When two objects feel comfortable together and not contradict one anothers energy much like that of magnetic polarities, then those objects, if used in the right way(s)... Could benefit the user of said objects.

For instance, using a crystal ball and a mirror... The mirror reflects the balls signature in a manner that is safe. But if one were to put a black mirror down and then reflect the crystal ball, then negative energies may transpire. Which is why the art of feng shui is so important when calculating energies for better outcomes.

Thanks for your imput SS.
Negative energies..about that.What to you constitutes a negative energy?

BTW,I was just thinking about something..Lets say you are wanting to commicate with an entity.You know already their symbol,for those who use them.You envoke it sucessfully.The other stuff you use,are they meant to convey your message, as it were? Or for other reasons?

I haven't had much time to read your Journal yet, except your most recent December logs.
Most of what I know comes from numerology, Cartomancy (Tarot and playing cards,) and Symbols.com

VR, has been helpful too...
*wink*

I'm looking forward to reading more of your Journal and hearing the tumblers click in my head. *laughs*

Most definately..but what you did read,you understood.I could tell that by your comment in there.Thanks for that link here too.I'll go check it out right now.

Pretty informative link.Thanks.
Also,I wanted to bring up something I had been thinking about.And that is the importance of symbols passed down.The reasons I have always heard they are so important,is because it is felt that the persons energy made it strong.I am inclined to disagree for several reasons,and I will list two for now..One, the frequency signurature(pattern) is always going to be the same,have the same power and effect,because it is the frequency that holds the power in the first place.If it is changed in any way,then the frequency will change and it wouldnt work.This is why I keep asking everyone about putting their energy into a symbol.from what I have discovered,the only real thing one could contribute when using symbols is direction.Two,I feel that inherited symbols are important because if one didnt hand them down,then the pattern for the signature would be lost.

Negative energies are felt as: Headaches, stomach aches, nausea, uncomfortable vibes that create an anxious feeling, feelings that say you are not supposed to be doing this, etc.

The more succeptable and senstitive the practitioner is, the stronger these feelings become.

This is out of personal experience.

Though I do not communicate with any entities, I do call up certain higher beings for protection. Those of a celestial origin. This is only because they are the ones the energies are connected with, in certain cases. Other than that, the energies are used for dimensional purposes.

"I do call up certain higher beings for protection. Those of a celestial origin"

Oh,believe me....I know.;)

Hmm,I personally have never felt that,headaches and such.But it does stand to reason because certain frequencies have that affect on the body.

But in my mind,I wouldnt call them negative energies.When I hear that term,I cannot help but think of evil or bad things.As far as Im concerned,energy is energy.

Negative, relative to your aims; even though the left hand does wash the right, and the right does wash the left.

Exactly,so I dont see the difference.I do however understand the concept of the negative thing..it pretty much all falls on intent.

By meaning negative, I am refering the the uncomfortable feeling(s) that the body refers to when feeling sick, having a headache, etc. As well as eerie feelings of ominous presence within a certain object or area.

That kind of negative. Not nessessarily evil at all, since evil is a religious conotation, I am not perscribing any religious anecdotes here, just physical feelings of uncomfortable qualities and at times, metaphysical qualities.

I understand.I have never felt that personally,but I know there are frequencies that do that to people.

The symbols work on each being in a unique way. For example the inverse pentagram, while you can talk about it for days and it's meaning, possible uses.. the symbol causes a reaction in each being. The very sight of it causes at least subtle changes in feeling for the Magickan using it. How this works can be understood more by looking into Rupert Sheldrake and his "morphogenetic fields".

Thank you Fireserpent,I will have a look at that.

Ok.Yes,this follows closely with things I have in my journal and have brought up here in the forums.Akashic record,Torison fields and entrainment.

well I have to agree with Oceanne on the fact that Sysmbols are not always needed to perform or open gates as you put it SS I mean many things are done with just words and no symbols at all needed. I myself do not use symbols I do not put any faith or belief in them as I had stated in another Forum thread. Symbols or just that they are for and from the mostancient of history, and well that is all good, but, myself I just do not believe in them I believe in myself and my own strenght and powers.


Many Ancients did not use symbols as long as they had the power and faith within them selves. but hey just me.

Symbols to me are just that Symbols that many recognise or relate other things or people etc. with yet, not a *must* that has to be used. Words are much more powerful than any Symbol in my opinion.

Personally,I dont even go for the faith in self thing.For me,its a matter of tuning in.And as I stated before,IMO,Symbols are for two things..one,to communicate a code to others.And two,to help a practitioner entrain theirself and to strengthen those who might not be very strong to begin with.
I used to be against the use of symbols,and I still never have used one.There was a time when I felt they were not important..but they are in their own right.

Another thing about symbols is to look at them as seals. Some sigils/seals hold in the power of connection to whatever the specific seal is for. Demonic sigils/seals would be one example. While not needed when connecting to the entity, the use of the symbol or sigil can be another route that often is taken first before discarding the seal for other methods of communication. Chaos Magick also utilizes the graphic refinement of Intent. Perhaps it is this primal form of communication that the mind effectively understands symbols.

Oh I agree with you both as far as they have there own meanings and worth for many who use them just I choose not to is all. but, I would not ever disrespect them or those who may use them . I think it just depends on how you were taught or how much faith one puts in themselves or the symbols. All through history Symbols are used for many different things yet, there are soem who in history have not ever used them and are/were very powerful people just by using their words.

I mean people go to church t hear... The Word, not to look at the symbols. at least that is how I myself look at it. there is more power in words than symbols for many as the symbols are important to many as well LOL

Just however you believe or practice your trade or faith.

Great posts ..thank you.
Yes,Fireserpent,I feel that certain symbols do in fact represent the frequency of entities and gates.And are used for further communication as well.

Resonance..the Universial language.
Hmm,I kindof misread your post FS.Do You mean a symbol that represents an entity might not be for direct communication with that entity?Could you clariy that a little for me please? A seal..do you mean a seal of its domain?

BIH,You mentioned there is a language for witches?
Would you please explain that a little more?Where is it that this language originated?

The seal/sigil/symbol is directly connected to the entity and to access it's domain, in some cases, the symbol is superimposed over other symbols, more often a Magick square. So in certain instances of this type of communication and traveling the symbol and square are needed. There is little to no way around this. So there are times the symbols must be used for some workings.

I use the ancient Theban language and words it has taken years to learn and master and still learning as I see it .

I mean the language of witches ( a true witch) is a collection of special terms involving the beliefs and techniques of paganism and magick. Like any specialized jargon, these terms can be confusing and complex.


Almost all of the Witches Language has long been used to transmit secret messages, and is used to write spells, inscriptions and other texts. It serves to disguise the meaning of a text and to give it a mystical quality.

There is a one-to-one correspondence between letters of the Theban and Latin alphabets with the exception of the letters j and u. These letters are represented by the letters for i and v.

Here is a chart if your not famliar with it. :)

The origins of the Theban alphabet are lost in the mists of time. It is often called "The Runes of Honorius" after its reputed inventor, Honorius of Thebes. It is also known as the 'Witch's Alphabet'.


The alphabet seems to be just that, an alphabet with no associated language. It was used write out messages either in the magician's own language, or more likely, Latin.


Many Pagans, Witches, and Wiccans use the Theban alphabet to encode their writings in their Books of Shadows or spell books. The Theban Script is also known as the "Witches' Alphabet". Many Witches use the alphabet in carving the letters on stone or wood to use for candle spells.


Hope that helps alittle to understand me LOl and my Craft that I practice.


I also DO NOT use a ouji board I feel they are very unstable and dangerous yet, that again is my own preferance so...

That explains it perfectly,thank you.I really feel it is important that thoses who use them,and even those who dont,understand how they might work.So my thanks to everyone who has helped in this thread.Your imput is invaluable.
But again,I must tell you,I have never used a symbol even once.Some really do not need symbols.

Thank you BitchfromHell.That is very imformative.It also presents more evidence that frequency really is the language of the universe.

In light of your post I will post this link that is in my journal.Enjoy.

http://www.sixtysymbols.com/#

To some cultures symbols (magic or otherwise) are signs of caution.


If a person is intent on stealing for example, they will yield domicles with protective markings (even if they are not versed in their meaning).

Very much so.There are symbols for many things.Hell,almost everything.

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