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I want to bring up a subject that has been of much interest to me....I have always been a logical thinker, trying to disprove a theory when there is no tangible proof presented to me...I am not saying I disbelieve in Vampires or "Vampyres"..However as I took a class in Psychology during college, I have learned to question everything..or at least wonder what rational explanation there may be...So this is to get the mental juices flowing for everyone...please don't make this about who is right or who is wrong..just state opinions or theories peacefully.

*Do you think there is a similarity between those that believe themselves to be Vampiric and those with severe mental disorders...?

*Is there a connection between Renfeild's Syndrome, Schizophrenia, Auto-Vampisim, and Prophyria in relation to those claiming to be Vampires/Vampyres?

*Do you feel there are any other psychological disorders out there could be related to Vampirism?

*Who is to say that one is a Vampire/Vampyre and isn't just mentally unstable? How does one know? What proof is there?

When I think of those with identity issues, and begin to assess their mental state, I go about it indirectly, a background can tell how they were prior to adopting their idenity distintion.

How often, and to what extent does a person relate their identity. Mental state is best assessed as a person is candid. Is there a consistancy, do they ajust what they reason regarding their identity?


Are they confrontational with their idenity, are they apt to attempt to impress their peers, and do they get irratated when someone does not respond entuisatically. Do they present themselves as maryter?

it is not uncommon for people to adopt alter egos, what degree a persons invest into that alter ego, and if they are escaping confronting issues with their person then mental stability could well be a factor to consider.

Placing ones Identity in context, and being content with socializing with like minded, or simply indifferent people demonstrates a more down to earth person.

Then there is the distinction betwwen those who profess to be Vampires Physiologically. And those that simply practice Vampirism (Blood/Energy Rites.

Case by case.

There is a quote stating:

"One out of four people in this country is Mentally Unbalanced. Think of your 3 closest friends... if they seem okay, then you're The One."

Throughout your enculturation you have been taught to be superstitious, religious, political, logical, crazy, weird, ect... The perception of life is molded by your surrounding and that perception of life, either right or wrong, was taught to you by many uneducated individuals. Although, even if they were educated they were driven by their bias belief's of right or wrong.

We are all crazy in anothers eyes.

"Reality is the leading cause of stress amongst those in touch with it." Jane Wagner

"If you think about the mental health topic more carefully, all sorts of demons crawl out of the woodwork. In my case it made me think, 'who are the sane?' I also remember the case of a psychiatrist who treated a woman who was insane, but harmless. She thought that the 5 dolls she tended were her actual children, the reality was she was unmarried and had no children.

The psychiatrist said that he would not cure her even if he could because she was enjoying her fantasies so much."

From the following link:
http://www.guy-sports.com/humor/pictures/picture_mental_health.htm

Well, think about Lycanthropy. It's a mental disorder in which a person believes they are an animal or can take the shape of an animal. A lot of them consume human flesh believing they are giant cats or dogs.
It may be the same with some people believing they are vampires.

Ahh you all pose very good questions....I will check out the link that was suggested...

And Lycanthropy as a mental disorder...I would assume to be similar to Vampirism mentally...both are consuming humans in some form....hmmm

*Do you think there is a similarity between those that believe themselves to be Vampiric and those with severe mental disorders...?

I knew an individual who lived in New Olreans in the beginning of the decade, ie 2000. He was fresh out of the military and did consider himself to be a vampire. After befriending this individual for a period of about 6 months, he finally confessed that his vampirism was on a mental cycle that he was going through to forget about what he had witnessed throughout his military career.

There is no similarity between the vamp"i"re and those with the mental disorders, but that is not to say that those who claim the spelling with a "y" and would belong to subdivisions throughout the strigoii philosophy are not mentally disturbed in their own right.

Like ~Doru~ had stated earlier, one of 4 could possibly be mentally disturbed. Though this may not bring an irrational thought about being a vampire because of it, but I digress back to that military friend of mine that I knew back when. Association is a key ingredient in the mentality of youth through young adult, even those middle aged individuals that still hang around the youngin's could be added to that peer pressure cycle of wanting to fit in out of depression or a lack of self confidence. But who am I to say, I am no psychologist.


*Is there a connection between Renfeild's Syndrome, Schizophrenia, Auto-Vampisim, and Prophyria in relation to those claiming to be Vampires/Vampyres?

There could be, but the Renfields Syndrome is only know to occur mostly in males, so if females are included in this question then it may be few and far between since the males may be more aggresssive then the females in general. As far as being a schizo and auto-vampirism, I tend to find these two as excuses just to be something that the individual is not or just wants to relate to out of that group scenerio. They see it in front of them so they think to themselves "oh, this is fun.. Might as well join the crowd". As far as the porphyric relation, this is a medically documented illness that may relate to vampirism but does not coincide with the myth save for mayhaps the blood intake but only because of the Bram Stoker phenomenon. Porpheria is otherwise not vampire related. Just a folkloric parent of the myth itself.

Look up the term porpheric hemophilia to understand what I am trying to relate to.

*Do you feel there are any other psychological disorders out there could be related to Vampirism?

Hell, if you post it that way then sure... There could be plenty of disorders that could be misrepresentations and claim to be related to the vampirism in general, but this is through perception alone and not absolutely true regarding medical facts vs psychological advantage of manipulated thought. To each their own on this conclusion.

*Who is to say that one is a Vampire/Vampyre and isn't just mentally unstable? How does one know? What proof is there?

I think this could be seen as a common sense answer, but then again that would be a bias answer altogether since most individuals out there claiming to be either spelling tend to be a bit mentally unstable, or are simply acting out against society. One would obviously know if they grew up in the environment such as that of the vampire; either spelling will work.

In fact I know one distinct individual that is very mentally unstable and does recognize herself as a vampire, but this is neither here nor there since at the time that she is directly eye to eye with anyone, they automatically know that she is off kilder, and in a bad way.

Words, phrases, old school dialect, trying to become something out of a vampire movie or novel or trying to fit into some sort vampires: the masquerade idealogy. The true vampire would do none of these things and would be just like the rest of society save for with a few minor "quarks."

Though if I let in as to what those minor "quarks" were, I would be giving it away.. Now, now.

As far as the lycanthropy, I wouldn't give the audience any ideas, they may digress themselves into irrational thoughts thinking that they may be loupe garou in the end.

Lycanthropy in the beginning was thought to be a mental sydrome by those who were told to put a mysterious liquid or slimy concoction all over their body, thus transforming them into wolves. But with all the toxic herbs that were in the ingrediants and thus being soaked into the skin, no wonder they thought themselves to be werewolves. I would to if I were on a 48 hour acid trip of sorts, I mean come on now.

*Do you think there is a similarity between those that believe themselves to be Vampiric and those with severe mental disorders...?

Answer:
Not everyone, as individual's vary and the mind sciences are general classifications, not per case study.

*Is there a connection between Renfeild's Syndrome, Schizophrenia, Auto-Vampisim, and Prophyria in relation to those claiming to be Vampires/Vampyres?

Answer:
Many seem to think so, but again, this too must be looked at carefully by a host of things incuding gender, health history and of course, an individual basis.

*Do you feel there are any other psychological disorders out there could be related to Vampirism?

Answer:
Yes. I'll use the generic lumping method as it seems to fit most applications: "Irresolute" sums it up, but that too is subject to debate based on a case by case need, not a catch-all. (Unless we count the act of bitting...then anyone who as ever bitten another in play or conflict would then be defined as vampiristic by nature as loosely defined without the need to further split hairs on bloodletting and psi forms.)

*Who is to say that one is a Vampire/Vampyre and isn't just mentally unstable? How does one know? What proof is there?

Answer:
Not being cynical, but the proof itself may be as easy or as difficult as looking at ones-self in the mirror and simply accepting them self for who they are or what they believe themselves to be.

Good "thinking" post!!! OLD SCHOOL STYLE, way to go!

*Do you think there is a similarity between those that believe themselves to be Vampiric and those with severe mental disorders...?

Not in all cases, but definately in some. As I see a vampire as someone who has an actual need to consume blood or energy for others, mainly a physical need but sometimes mental, a mental disorder that makes the person need to drink blood in order to stay sane would definately connect them to vampirism in my eyes.

I do think that many who profess to be vampyric have mental health issues.

Many ordinary folk have trouble dealing with everyday life. Subconciously seek escapism and fantasy roles rather than facing up to their own mundane reality.

Then there are those who really are vampyric, who have their own psychological issues facing up to their own reality.Either way life is not easy.

The problem with psychology is that it simply HAS to catagorise something into a box...

It simple has to give it a name...

Just like science does the same thing...

Just for fun

Not many years ago a if a person went to the doctor and said "doctor I hear voices and see people in my mind that are not there" they would have been carted off to the local psychiatrist who would for sure diagnose mental illness.

Now though if you say the same question, the doctor is more than likely to either send you to the nearest psychic medium for guidance or ask you for a reading.

I guess what I am saying is that,; do vampires have mental illness, hell yeah but not all and then so do humans who are not vampires, they too have mental illness but not all.

I think Doru sums it up best *bows*

Do I think mental illness leads to vampirism hell no, the need for energy leads to vampirism just like sera conner has said time and time again with little or no recognition

Let us not forget the difference in the need to ingest blood and drinking blood from others. Is the blood not as useful if not straight from the willing to the receivers mouth? Must one take directly from the willing? Or does the simple process of ingesting blood not do the trick? Which is which.

Which one are we talking about here?

For me I get the best benefit from blood direct from the donor its fresh and has its full energy potential...

Now let me be clear on something, how the energy from the blood is transfered to me I care little about, I am not a scientist and hve no real interest in finding out, all I can say is that I get the best benefit straight from the donor.

If I drink animal blood for example, when it has been slaughtered and drained, packaged and sat on a shelf for god knows how long its not the same and I cant answer why either its just not.

I dont have a blood fetish I have a real need for it, other sangs will tell you the same, I take only a small amount a tea spoonfull, if they are feeling generous i'll drink a lot more but never too much to do harm.

There is an etiquette to it and a donor is the most precious thing to be loved and cherished for they are my life force.

Message from a user that wishes to remain anonymous....



RE: You Crazy vampire you.

You may have read a thread earlier this week where I talked about myself as a vampire.

The specifics of the thread related to me being ill for a long period of time with many physiological symptoms that doctors and hospitals in the UK spent years testing me for various illness' and even though I had these symptoms my tests always proved negative for illness.

Suffice to say whenever I obtain prana in blood form or psi form my symptoms abate.

Now to the crunch, punchline if you like.

Because of my symptoms, over those years I have had psychiatric evaluations too, and have been in many therapy chairs and taken lots of psychological tests and I have nearly always been proven to have been normal, no mental illness diagnosed. I cant speak for all, but I can speak for me.

I don't want to share this on the thread in the forum because I'm too tired to argue about the responses this post will bring.

I am happy for you to re-post this message but leave out who its from please.

I am also happy to discuss this further if you like on private email. I may take a while to respond though as i chat to many this way.

this is a very interesting thread. for those that drink do know the benefits of it. those that don't will not . It has benefits for both the partaker and the swan.

is there a connection to vampirism and mental disorder is like asking if the christian belief is a mental disorder. The drinking of blood and its benefits are real and can be proven, may be not accept by society, but none the less. Can the christian beliefs? Well that ought to start a great mental war for some.

Doru and others are so right, what was once acceptable, then looked down upon, and now has become mainstream with acceptance once again. Many mental issues, so called issues follow a cycle that is repeated through out history. This will continue to happen till man finally figures out how to learn from the past and quit trying to reinvent the wheel at every turn.

I'm not saying that vampires are real, nor do I believe that I'm a vampire, but I would like to believe that humankind doesn't know everything.
I'd like to believe that there are plenty of things that are underground or not considered real.
I also believe that a large number of people who claim to be vampires aren't.

very good point swtstrawbery...

For example,

lets say for every group of about 100 people claiming Vampirism...you would be lucky to find 10 that actually are!

and perhaps one of those ten who could articulate anything remotly substancial to answer basic inquiry.

Professing to be a vampire, and being desperate to persuad others to subscribe to the concept, is one thing. Though what gets me is when after a person relates indifference, or simple says, "Ok, so you think you are a Vampire." The person claiming to be a Vampire has nothing beyond that. Thats all they want to base a dialogue on.

I have been on Busses where a Christian has said, "Do you believe in Jesus?" I asked, "Do you?" They reply " Yes..", to which I reply, "So.. What else do you want to talk about."

How can a person not be suspect of a persons mental state in such an obvious encounter as that?

Preoccupation with anything identity related, or not is
often an indicator that a person lacks developmental
basics. Though not always Mentally inadapt, their is a base for question.

I agree, being comfortable with whatever you believe yourself to be..that's fine..its when you get blue in the face trying to prove yourself to others. I may feel akin to the Vampire Archetype..and take certain characteristics into practice..but I'm not going to waste my time trying to prove myself to someone...or prove whether they are a Vampire or not..its really not my problem...

Relating to that post from "Anonymous", just because an individual has an illness if they do not "ingest" any quantity of energy or blood, does not make them vampire.

Again, this could be where the psychological implications come into play. "Anonymous" did not state what he was in therapy for. Since "anonymous did not specify what "symptoms" they were relating, it is a bit hard to digest (no pun intended) their testimony. They seem to leave out the intricacies of their testimony mayhaps for the shock and awe value, who knows. But it leaves one to question, which could be the reason why they decide to remain anonymous.

Now, if "Anonymous were to say that they were in fact sent to that chair, or asked to take that chair for therapudic value because of their "vampirism" symptoms and diagnosis of a mental-disorder or physical ailment then I may have been able to see where "anonymous" was coming from.

"Anonymous" does leave themselves open for rebuttle with tactical debate in mind... Regarding the entire post. It could be debated that the physiological aspects may be related to some sort of ailment that the individual has, that has yet to be diagnosed properly. This information was left out as well, and therefore the post itself seems to remain incomplete. Thus, it remains indigestable at this time.

Haha, wonderful thread!!

Finally someone has said it!

I completely agree with all statements made by MB.

A mythical creature is exactly that mythical
Lets say fairies, demons, angels...so on, how come no one pretends to be 1 of them but will try and claim to be a vampire?
silliness

I think all have a causal effect but each have their own symptoms that make each individual. As for those that live the life style then it irrelevant because it not diagnosed in the DSMV for treatable conditions

Well, I can not let this one slide. Do you know what mental disorders are? Let see. Bipolar, Schizophrenia, Paranoia, psychosis, multiple personalities, and finally, phobias. Those are some and there are many more, like Hoarders, and depression, and addiction. So, I f a person "pretend " to be a Vampire, so, what kind of dementia is present in this individual. Answer, none. There is no medical diagnostic between a person that belongs to a group, who likes to drink blood and pretend to be Vampires and a mental disorder. Most of the mental disorder are related to human chromosome. May be too many, many some missing. Just my two cents to the subject.

and perhaps one of those ten who could articulate anything remotly substancial to answer basic inquiry.

dabs we've discussed this before just because someone makes an enquiry doesn't mean we are obliged to answer

as MB states why talk yourself blue in the face?

raziel

to call someone silly because of the way they are is also silly, come now.....

If someone says i'm diabetic do you call them silly? No

There is an element of desperation in some who claim to be vampires, that is all I am pointing out.

Why is it that some who profess to be Vampires, are so intent on people being entuisastic about their personal conviction.

You can tell as many people your reasons why you think you are a vampire. Among the many varied responses is Indifference. There is nothing that compells me personally to subscribe to your personal conviction.

The idea that people who are just not intrested in your ideals offends you?

That people are "in denial" that you may be "on to something", that could well be a mental complex relating to identity.

The mantra, we don't have too explain our selfs. Is rather manic, when one considers the number of people coming out as vampires.

It is laughable that the very people who are personal perplexed why noone reacieves their claims, are so ready to critisize others who profess to be vampires.

i see wht u mean but i have nothing wrong wit me..no disorder..im stable and healthy but yet i thrive for tht of the taste of a girls sweet blood from her neck..
id have to say those who have disorders and wht not must in some way be confusing themselves but the confusion within them..
it seems simple to assume this but tht is a straight forward and possible answer..

i rather liked the lycanthropy angle. in the older lore of the vampire and werewolf, they seem to have been one and the same creature.

personally i think that all of you people are just figments of my imagination anyway, therefore the question becomes moot.
LOL
~W~

I dont mean to call anyone silly.. And noone is a true mythical vampire, so actually they are not a vampire, so im not saying a vampire is silly, But humans who try and say they are vampires have to have some kind of mental disorder, Just as fairies, angels and demons are not running the streets.

Why are humans trying to always be something they cant be?

Just like everyone's fascinations with super heroes, If I think kryptonite will kill me does that make me superman?

Raziel and Dab I have remained silent until now but this presumptuous bull shit has to stop.

As you know I never swear in public so please pay attention.

Your assertions that things "You!" have never experienced and have no direct evidence of categorically "Do not exist" is both close minded and historically foolish.

Good examples of people like you include.....
The world is flat.
Mammals don't lay eggs.
There is no Water on the moon.
Humans cannot conduct electricity or bend spoons.
Bacteria in 300degC on vents at the bottom of the sea.

Need I go on.
Wake up, we are not lying.Full stop.
P.S. Happy New Year and welcome to the Real Universe.
Life in outer space.

you are a fine example of guilible fallenstar, a True Believer.

Which is actually a syndrome.

Source wiki.
True-believer syndrome is a term coined by M. Lamar Keene in his 1976 book The Psychic Mafia. Keene used the term to refer to people who continued to believe in a paranormal event or phenomenon even after it had been proven to have been staged.[2][3]

Eric Hoffer used the term true believer in his first book, published in 1951, which explored the nature of fanaticism and mass-movements in the political context.

Keene considered it to be a cognitive disorder,[4][5] and regarded it as being a key factor in the success of many psychic mediums.[3] The term "true believer syndrome" is not used professionally by psychologists, psychiatrists, or medical professionals and is not recognised as a form of psychopathology or psychological impairment, nor is it listed in any version of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders [6].

Yoiu are very predictable Fallen star.

you mix up plenty of individual concepts.

Spoon bending? Have you personally witnessed spoon bending?

When I speak of a vampyre, I speak of a vampyre - as a "witch" - belonged by genetic inheritance, to a distinct royal caste in Scythian-Celtic society. Real vampirism is indulged in by living beings (humans, not the living dead) who, practice ceremonial magic to serve a multi-faceted social, religious and cultural framework. These individuals and families used the practice to achieve specific aims and thereby fulfill those specific social obligations.

Hollywood promotes the living dead vampires, not the real life vampyres that are in fact living flesh and bones.

"Why are humans trying to always be something they cant be?"

This phrase annoys me... I call all who claim not being "human" out on their B.S. Present medical records stating how your chromosomes are not human and I will believe you.

You have two arms, two legs, 10 fingers, 10 toes. You can speak, are able to comprehend... This would constitute being human.

"When I speak of a vampyre, I speak of a vampyre - as a "witch" - belonged by genetic inheritance, to a distinct royal caste in Scythian-Celtic society. Real vampirism is indulged in by living beings (humans, not the living dead) who, practice ceremonial magic to serve a multi-faceted social, religious and cultural framework. These individuals and families used the practice to achieve specific aims and thereby fulfill those specific social obligations."

Wait, are you stating that vamp"y"res are magical beings synonymous to the witch? Having genetic inheritence to "castes" of royalty? I think we may need some geneological evidence to back the inheritance claim up.

In my opinion, I think that it is high time that the children remove themselves from the roleplay already and act like adults in the real world for a change instead of creating fantastical posts that speak of improbable nonsesense. There is NO royal vampiric heirarchy, no royal bloodlines with supposed "caste" systems, no specific vampiric social obligations within any group unless the individual wishes to fall into the category of the "black veil" community full of pety drama.

I think people finally need to step away from Underworld-esque mentalities.

"Raziel and Dab I have remained silent until now but this presumptuous bull shit has to stop."

Well this was a bit borderline hypocritical... Who is being presumptuous bow, eh? Just because you remain silent until now does not make you any better then any of these other posters. Get off your high horse already and come back down to the real world.

I am not flaming any posters, I just wish they would actually speak plainly on the level instead of coming up with fantastically natured posts. They are not impressing anyone.

SS I follow Doru in some degree, at least he has something to present. His post may be debatable, but he brings something to the table.

I am not arguing the truth from fiction, I am simply wanting some clarification as to facts to form a realistic perspective on what ~Doru~ has presented.

If "vampyre" means some kind of witch then stick with the title witch. Witch can be human...vampire as the word originated meant an undead creature..I think most people are in aggreance with that.

What bothers me is the degree humans go to try and receive the title of "Vampire" Most people here are adults so lets distinguish the difference between reality and fantasy..
I like the fact that if you are a vampire then lets see some DNA evidence? Otherwise ALL speaking intelligent people are human.

The vampiric lifestyle is different than being a vampire..I would say I also follow such a trend but is simply just that a trend, People take things too far and yes I believe it is a sure sign of mental instability...Anyone who tells me they are a vampire to my face and they appear dead serious I must question the persons sanity...Honestly..

Gee Dab

I've read through this entire thread. I always viewed you as amazingly articulate and intelligent. I thought that you were gracious... I am moderately surprised at your recent string of posts. Clearly you are relishing in your attempts to take potshots at certain individuals.

I am reminded of some great advice that was given to me by my charming Irish grandfather, "take care of the toes that you step on today as they may be attached to the hindquarters you will be kissing tomorrow."

I guess we all see surprising things everyday right?

Well sure there are a ration of nut jobs floating about. But there are also some that are not. I can personally tell you that the stress and trauma alone of the physical condition and the emotional states that it produces (that you believe is fictional) is more taxing than you can possibly imagine...

What I do not understand is that people seem to need to make you understand and believe them... so kudos, for your formidable debating skills my friend...

If I were to make a documentary.... I think it might include a lot of footage of you loosing control of your bladder. It might not amuse anyone one else... (okay a few people) but certainly I would be rolling on the floor laughing my tail off...

The very people you claim I am taken potshots at, are constainly taking pot shots at others, including people that share their fantastical personal convictions.

i degressed for the sake of Fallen Stare.

consistanly reach for tangents with tirades aimed at the general post. Implying that people who do not subscribe to ones conviction are ignorant, or somehow out of touch with reality, are obviously going to be scrutinized. There is no Empirical data, and there never will be.

There are some who summarize their personal reasoning, and as you may note, I encourage such post.

Veiled insults will draw fire, Failing Star knows this by now, and it is becoming quite clear that it is a hobby.

One of the common practices of socio-paths,
is to pick an controversial topic (being a "Vampire" in this case), and pushing it out to irrational distance.

Fallen is mocking people, it may not be obvious, but it is only because others who have a reasonable ideal, being used as shields.

Children please, let us try to treat each other with respect rather than trying to tear chunks out of one another.
(Incidentally, I am very good at that)
If dabs thinks I am mental psychopath then so be it.

Dabs has been on VR long enough to know the golden rule of being a vampire is never to reveal just to prove you exist.
Knowing this rule he is on perfectly safe ground and can mock me all day long knowing I cannot show out.

My question is this? the golden rule is very clear but it doesnt say that I have to stay hidden to protect my integrity and dignity ...now does it?

Any Vamps have any Crazy thoughts about my line of thinking?

i think the biggest question facing the vampire/mental disorder question is how many of these people that are allegedly suffering from vampirism or other problems are actually
Hypochondriac's

Sit in a dark room, light a black candle, invert your cross,close your eyes, listen closely to my words and feel the darkness.

If something stirs then perhaps you are a little wiser.

Or perhaps I,m just mad?

Dab
Thank you for your response... I am going to crawl further out on the limb with Fallingstar. I personally know he's not into unprovoked attacks. If he's taken a jab at you (which he did not) you had it coming.

I'm so disappointed though that you are so wound up over it. I so enjoy reading your posts and as of late it appears that you are completely consumed with you obsession with my darling Fallingstar...

Please start posting items of interest again instead of things designed to show how superior you are.

PS Humans can be crazy too... Mental Illness respects no one....

Chela

I wont say that the many myths and such about vampires and other mythical beings MAY have at 1 time existed..
I am always open to possibilities...

But it is fact that no one that "WE" the masses know, that there are scientifically supported evidence vampires exist...
Very unlikely especially on the internet in a vampire website argueing that they are a real vampire...
I think my 9 year old has a better grasp on fact and fantasy..
My intentions are not to insult what anyone is but if claims are made then simply prove it?
Vampires are supposed to have supernatural abilities...if this is so..how hard is it to prove to just 1 person on this site?
otherwise dont waste your time

Raziel

You bring up a great point... So I have a question for you and I am not trying to be malicious so please don't be cross with me?

If you don't believe that vampires are real, why are you here... why aren't you on facebook?

~Princesa

Good point Princessa,

If this is just a game, why so much passion?

That would be illogical, moreover those that play the Devils advocat have a far more serious agenda, one that I am here to confirm and thus end this relatively pointless discussion.

I feel...I know...mmmm....
"You" now know the truth or at least "You" suspect it.

Goodnight and Happy New Year to all those who finally understand.

PS.If you are still in doubt then you truly have mental problems...they are called "Denial".LOL.

Prin..

Cliche.. Why are people who don't believe that Fallenstar is a vampire come to VR?

It is also a Goth site.

If I did subscribe to the idea of Vampires existing, I would exclude Fallen Star from qualifying anyway.

Pompous Behavior is just too obvious, and he needs
a tag partner.

His reasoning is as shallow as a spilt thimble.

As I have been at this site, I have read an accepted to some degree the supporting material of some who identify with Vampires. The same people are not so desperate to ridicule others for being "in denioal" about their ideals

Stand outs are stand outs.

When "evidence" is not practical, then a summation is preferred, and Fallen has Fell through at every opportunity to present something coherent.

Yes Dab... I'm quite sure you are right (laughing). Fallingstar and I, and a host of others we are all a pack of winged tooth fairies. I'll leave a quarter under your pillow, ok? (more laughing)

I'm going to drop this I declare I do know better to pick my battles. In 50 years this means nothing....

All my best to you dab! (more laughing). Have a fun New Year!

That post has brought another matter that could be explored, group pathology. When a person persuades another to accept their ideals, is the person simply claiming to believe the other, or are they relient on pretense for social desperation?

Or are they just simply humoring the person?

Only you know the demons who pass through your soul... may the darkness enlighten and protect you... may Emma O enlighten your soul, may Cernunnos ascend your abilities, insticts and emotions, and may Ganesha protect you against any barrier. I pray and say these things in the name of the Divine One... ESHU DE CAPA PRETA... ~bows~

It comes down to an inviduals personal credibility.


What are the basics, that's all people generally want.

When someone makes an ideal complex, and vague, the person, or collective loses credible appeal.

Identity isolation could well indicate on set of psycosis. When fanatics seek recruits, they search specifically for such people, they play on trendies, and people that change religion like socks, all they have to do is flatter a self oppressed splinter minority.


Why not level the forum, and present what we agree on.

There are people personally threatened by the reasons that a person does not subscribe to, or is indifferent to their adopted identity, ?validation?
noterity?peer fringist? Vamplier?

after reading the more transparent post in this thread.

As I said in 1 of my other posts is I am on VR because I am interested in vampires and really love the lifestyle or the industrial/gothic theme to this site.
I dont believe it was created literally for "vampires"!
because true mythical vampires are yet unproven.

Its like a fairy tale land...I have read the bible numerous times but that doesnt mean im christian.
Having an interest in something doesnt mean in exists...
like the UFO phenomenon, just cause i like to read about aliens doesnt mean I am 1.

Cause people here tell me they are vampires should i simply take their word for it?

Thats crazy...

If i claimed to be an extra-terrestial would you believe me?

Razial, I would listen to your ideal on what could make you alien.

I am A Ghost myself.

i may not subscribe to your ideal, but I am sure it would have a basic value.

Doru, is a fine example. A paragraph summary, nothing complex, just a presentable summary. people may debate it, but at least it is offered for others to research, and settle on a conclusion, or expand to other sources.

Implying that people are just too ignorant to comprehend an ideal, an ideal that is based on personal interpretation, and conjecture, is the hallmark of Lunacy.

I would just like those who believe someone to be a vampire just cause they claim to be 1 answer my question?

Would you seriously believe me if I claimed to be from a different planet besides Earth?

It would make sense to me that you would believe anything I told you if you believe someone is a vampire.
In my mind it is more possible and logical to believe that I am an alien before believeing someone is a vampire..

I really dont mean to insult anyone, thats not my point at all...I would like to know why and what evidence you have seen to support the fact that someone is a vampire?

and just someone who drinks blood is not a vampire, In all of history blood drinking is just 1 part of being a vampire, They are also damned, soulless, and possess other supernatural powers..

Is that possible for you to atleast give us the reason you do believe that?

when you bring up group pathology look no further then the christian religions. It is all bout convincing enough to follow you that seems to start so many religions. If one claims to have a belief there will always be those that will debate, deny, and say that the person is crazy or insane or a phsyco. It is this lack of acceptance of difference that promote prejudice, hate, and eventually wars. Do those that claim they are vampire/vampyre want to force it on others? No, but they do put it out there so if others want to look into, join them, be a swan, or live the life style they can. Which is so unlike so many others in this world that will not get into, but look at religious cults to know the differene. That is why this site was made, for those of like views to come and meet others. But alas, the nay sayer always to arrive sooner or later.

Happy New Years to all.

lols im sure in the 16,000 plus members there are only a small percentage that actually participate in vampiric actions such as ingesting blood.

especially with the dark network overall, this site isnt just for someone that is gonna be a "vampire"

i still think they are hypochondriacs.

This thread seems to have lost its taste. It seems to have gone from interpretting psychology to mingling and mockery. "You stand up for me, I stand up for you" types of scenerio's.

"Dabs has been on VR long enough to know the golden rule of being a vampire is never to reveal just to prove you exist."

If this golden rule is ever followed by those self ascring "vampires", then they should follow suite without questioning the convictions of others. ~Dab's~ point about the vampire never revealing itself and a contradictive self proclaimed vampire speaking to him, ie ~Fallingstar~, is a point that should have been taken by now. Considering ~Fallingstar~ quotes a golden rule that he (Fallingstar) obviously does not seem to follow. Since he (Fallingstar) had already stated that he in his mind, is a vampire, then the quote is irrelevant. Therefore it should not have been stated.

Nor should the back-up arrived from ~Princessa~ just to side with ~Fallingstar~ of whom seemed to be contradicted from the get-go. If I were to "back" someone up, I would choose the correct side of the firing line.

Now that I have further reduced the point of this thread, or carried it to another level by subjecting a suspect "mental" individual into an "unknown" status, mayhaps now we may ask that suspect why they think they are vampire in general? So as to debunk the matter entirely, thus proving ~Dab's~ point more thoroughly.

I agree with you..this thread was not intended for people to be taking shots at one another...like I said in the beginning...I didn't want this to be about who is right or wrong...Or who you think is a nutcase..etc

One sigh of mental illness is being disturbed, how does the individual function in social settings. Does a persons personal identity (alter ego) keep them from developing?

Do they disturb others with lack of social etiquette?

Is the personality for their identity fragile?

Are they compelled to accuse others of persicuting them, when people simply wish to engage them in deeper conversation?

I notice a few people who adopt the vampire persona, and are not disturb, or disturbing in any manner.

There are quite a few that profess as such that aren't disturbing at all..Not saying there aren't some genuine ones that really are mentally unsound...

However, in my experiences..most of the ones that are truly that disturbed aren't Vampires at all..just looking for something to latch onto..a persona they can adapt to and use to feed a belief that they are not disturbed at all.

Or rather a way to justify anything they may do that's out of the realm of normalcy or that's illegal.

By seeking validation, they are attempting to convince themselves that they are assessing themselves rationally.

Very often the underlying intent is to distrupt the existing fringe, and to appear fringe-er.

Their adoption of identities often are numerous, they may claim to be any combanation of mystical characters.

Then when no one believes them, they take that as rejection, and it is not because they are socio-inadept, but because their idenity, a disturbed excuse to deny lack of maturity. So they may not be "mentally ill", but just have an entrenced identiy complex. tethering on the edge of a mental illness.

I guess you are right..For someone to prove what is supposed to be long hidden is something we will never know...

Vampires are to be secret...and if so why do they have these shows on TV where they talk about real vampires and they sure arent afraid to reveal they "think" they are vampires....

I have been through this arguement or debate ever since I got on this website over 4 years ago..

People will always wish to be more than what they are...to stand out, to be different, make others fear them or just to get a reaction...

No matter what anyone ever tells me I will never believe that a normal human is a vampire, And I will always question their sanity...I believe true vampires at one time possibly walked the earth...but I need facts to believe in anything...and there are none...
I give up...

never give up sire, for that admits defeat. just know that cuase you believe one way and another believes another, that neither is right or wrong. Are we not supposed to be living in a world of somewhat tolerance? I would really hope we do, for the lack of tolerance of anothers belief is what leads to most of the strife in this world. Now is it insanity to claim to be a vampire/vampyre? Is it also insanity to claim to be a christian, a republican, a musician, a warrior, or anything that can be claimed today? To some yes, to others , not so much. Not trying to stir the pot, just saying that tolerance is good, especially if what someone claims does not affect you directly in someway.

There are people that clearly intend to disrupt others with their ideals, and personal convictions.

Even to the point of insulting, and insinuating about those who are not compelled simply to subscribe to something that is just another belief, among many.

The desperation they exibit is notable as well.

A bit of insight into the concept of tolerance..

Holysmoke.org/tolerance

Those who hold beliefs, need to be equally tolerant of those who are indifferent to their beliefs/personal conviction/adopted identity.

I feel that Vampirism and possibly even Lycanthropy aren't disorders of the mind. Given, everything i'm about to say has to be taken with a salt tablet, but anyways...

The DSM (For those who don't know, it's a listing of every single mental disorder and treatments for said disorder) and Clinical Vampirism (Renfield's Syndrome) is not in there.

Even if it was, there are other "mental disorders" that make no sense what-so-ever. Homosexuality and Transgenderism were both considered mental disorders, simply because they went against the public norm (Homosexuality is no longer in the revised version of the DSM. Transgenderism remains still)


Perhaps i should ask, Why is Vampirism being classified as a menal disorder? Doesn't a Disorder of some kind usually end with a negative result? If so, what negative result would come about from Vampirism?

Consider co-dependant behavior.

Identity complex.

While not necessarily mental imbalances, they are
behaviors that disturb personal development.

In a case by case process, you will find individuals who are content to practice in a manner inspired by vampires, and individuals who are intent to convince others that they are distictively physiologically differant from homo-sapian.

Evidence of a complex, often people repress feelings of inadicacy by adopting an alter ego, in moderation, not a major concern (most phase out eventually) though compounded it could well create irrational behavior, and trigger socio pathic behavior.

There is always the potential for such individuals to cross bounderies, and exercise dangerous behaviour that results in someone being physically or emotionally
injured.

To say, "There is nothing inheirantly negative about someone thinking they are a vampire." is naive.

There is a difference.

Vampyres need energy, just as humans do. But common food just isnt enough. Thats all...
Vampyres are reincarnated, and thrie souls live in a different body in every life. They may remember, they may not.

"The DSM (For those who don't know, it's a listing of every single mental disorder and treatments for said disorder) and Clinical Vampirism (Renfield's Syndrome) is not in there.

Even if it was, there are other "mental disorders" that make no sense what-so-ever. Homosexuality and Transgenderism were both considered mental disorders, simply because they went against the public norm (Homosexuality is no longer in the revised version of the DSM. Transgenderism remains still)"

One very plausable reason why certain disorders are not recognized and some are, could be that during court trials when a defendant pleads "insanity", they need a mental condition based on their possible conviction. It could be a bias judgement based on the evidence and testimony from the defendants point of view and thus new definitions could be subjected to book work.

Which could explain why certain disorders are not in the Dbase of the DSM. Or are not recognised on an equal scale. Thus, it would be up to the judge to take the defendant either seriously or think the defendant is just creating an excuse not to spend time with "Bubba."

One way to look at it.

"Do you think there is a similarity between those that believe themselves to be Vampiric and those with severe mental disorders?"

There is a broad definition of imagination and mental disorder but only a fine line between them.

Some people say they are a vampire as an excuse for being disturbed, others actually think they are.

And some people then they are a vampire and still have a productive impact on society.

They need to change the DSM, it has been DSM IV for years and names for various things have changed amongst the professionals.

*Do you think there is a similarity between those that believe themselves to be Vampiric and those with severe mental disorders...?

In some cases of course. Most of those that are in that ballpark in my opinion are those that identify with the fictional mythos. Wearing fangs, etc. In most cases though, it is just a fad with all the clothing, etc. Sort of a sign of the times and personal expression.

*Is there a connection between Renfeild's Syndrome, Schizophrenia, Auto-Vampisim, and Prophyria in relation to those claiming to be Vampires/Vampyres?

You can of course connect any of these to the idea of vampirism. Anything can be connected but that doesn't mean every schizophrenic goes around believing they are a vampire. There are various types of it and there are various types of porphyria as well. It is very rare.


*Do you feel there are any other psychological disorders out there could be related to Vampirism?

This is a matter of opinion really. It is sort of science pitted against belief. I mean the average person believes in magick or they wouldn't follow most of the major religions. A man can walk on water, change one thing into another substance and the list goes on but that is accepted and vampirism is looked at as ludicrous and usually compared to fictional ideas. It's like some of the ideas they had about epilepsy centuries ago. All of this is connected to superstition, religion and skepticism. If you fall in any of these categories you will come up with any rationalization. Personally who cares. Let people believe what they want. There is a culture and there is a great deal of variance amongst them and beliefs about them. They bicker over it incessantly.

*Who is to say that one is a Vampire/Vampyre and isn't just mentally unstable? How does one know? What proof is there?

Who is so compelled they must meddle and take out yardsticks to measure the truth of it all? It's like me saying to all those that call themselves a witch, who says so and you must be mentally ill to think such things. Look at all those that use the term "warlock". It means betrayer of a coven and not a male witch. Yet look at all those who use it. A witch is a witch and quite frankly was a derogatory term used by the church for certain people with certain practices they didn't understand. Most did not use it because they had other or no names for it. Does that mean I should call anyone who now uses it mental? It is the same with vampirism. The meaning of words and usuage changes over time and right now many are interested in the occult and books are popular. Writers are thinking up all sorts of things about vampires, shapeshifters and you name it. Those who emulate these fictional characters are those I believe have mental issues, not the culture. Unfortunately they tend to get mixed into everything. It's sad but true.

As for psychologists, etc., I find most of them loony. I had one teaching Marriage and the Family and had been divorced five times when I went to college. We all try to decide for others what they are or what their beliefs should be and I find that to be the major problem and not whether someone chooses to spell it vampire or vampyre...its all the same thing.

Anything that someone doesn't understand in this day and age tends to fall under the idea of being a mental disorder. It is lucky for the psychology professionals because they must be making a lot of money these days. I have a friend in Las Vegas who is getting her upper degrees in psychology and she is an admitted vampyre and runs a group that meets regularly there and she isn't in her teens. I asked her if there could be a conflict but she didn't seem to think so and we discussed the issues. I don't remember details now because it was a few years ago. I think all this mental illness mumbo jumbo comes from people who want to decide for others what they should think and believe. It has been going on for hundreds of years. Luckily they aren't burning people anymore at least in countries that aren't third world for their beliefs.

As far as not stating openly one is or isn't a vampire tends to follow most fictional stories where it is totally taboo to tell with the threat of death, hahaha. I don't think this applies in the real world. It would depend on the area and sometimes city and organizations one belongs to and their viewpoints. Many belong to no organized groups and say and do what they want. Go to YouTube and you will see. Why is man so driven to assign labels to people who have different ideas about themselves and beliefs?

As for the Royal Sythian idea, that comes from Nicholas de Vere and his group and he has volumes of information but I have done researches too and have seen holes in it. They say they do have different genes, two of them if full blood. They have taken testing. It doesn't mean they aren't human because of anomalies. Shrugs... My opinion is people should just be and quit trying to mind someone else's business. I think that would be the start of people getting along better. Don't be so quick to label everything mental illness. Sometimes that is probably correct and other times just a difference in a belief system which for some is a religious viewpoint.

Malky I agree with i still think they are hypochondriacs.

Many are buddy, many are also delusional, many egotistical and many down right insane but then doesn't that describe humanity in general?

Dabbler knows when someone is protesting to hard then pulls the thread and tries to unravel, thats what he is good at.

My take on vampire, vampyre is that for me personally it is a word to describe how I ingest energy that my bodies needs that I cannot get souly from food. I need pranic, ki, chi energy and I get that from ingesting fresh human blood because its the best but mostly from energy manipulation. I draw the energy from my human donor into my own body, I can also get a similar amount from the earth, sea, wind and tree's to name a few but its not as strong as human.

I am not going to go into details about how I do this because that is indepth and personal to me. I am also not asking you to believe me either, I dont need you to believe me because I know who I am and I am comfortable with that.

I come here and call myself a vampire so that others who are human but like me can network, share stories and share friendships. Not to convert others or to preach religion.

I understand that many of you who come here do so because you want to find proof of what a vampire is and you will find this difficult mainly because people belief of what a vampire is changes from person to person so it is hard to catagorise the subject matter.

I respect all your views, I may not agree with them and I may argue with some of you about them but I do respect you.

The hardest thing for me to get you all, my friends and fellow posters on the forum to understand is that its not neccessary for you to believe us,we will still feed and we will still need to feed.

I shall be approaching this subject more and more now just to show that I have nothing to hide, I am not afraid to answer your questions but I wont be bullied and I shall not be cajolled into answering ridiculous questions.

Hell, I think it is a good thing to post about what your convictions are or relate to. It is my job as well as others on here to test those convictions, and deliver rational explanations in the process. Not to tear down the thoughts, beliefs or ideals from others. But to let them come to an understanding for what it seems to be.

It is not that I respect or do not respect the indivdiual based on their convictions, but rather watch as they come to their senses regarding their thinking process. If it is who they are, then more power to them. If it is just a fad or trent, a stage in their life that they are struggling with, then guidance could be needed outside their personal life and "family" atmosphere from that life.

I will not guide you, but I will test your convictions nevertheless, letting you come to your senses along the way.

The distinction vampire Chica, is in that spelling generally the spiritual practice that was introduced and the alternate spelling is a topic removed from this thread.

another post hit my angle, a percentage here are implying that they are physiologically not homo sapien.

They blur into the spiritual, but it is their intent to convince others that they are something more then spiritual type Vampyres.

Suggesting that one has physical characteristic occur, is far from realistic.

a person may get 'energy" from their practices, but that can well be said of any congragation.

The name that is attached is the only seperational
factor.

Without broad brushing all who practice Vampirism as mental, I do remain steed fast that a significant portion of individuals are motivated by pathology.

Precisely what I was thinking ~Dab~, there seems to be a distinction regarding the terminology that has been used recently and not from the past, but present time.

Those who think the vamp"y"re is an energy manipulator and the vamp"i"re is a mythical creature. Who ever is teaching those individuals really do need to take a step back for a moment and realize that by stereotyping and segregating themselves, they in turn could be seem as the loons in the sane circle.

So what if you can manipulate energies and supposedly survive off of them. Most "human's" I know can do this on a regular basis, this does not mean they fall into stupid categories that play them for the fool.

Those who ascribe to the role of the "non-human" human are presently deemed as "not right in the head" regarding the craziness of this thread.

I can meet halfway the Vampyre,or Vampirism (being the practice exclusivily of without identifiying as vampire) but beyond that it irrational, and plays into the
ploy of pathological individuals, who are simple operating under pretenses to impress themselves, at the ideal of impressing/convincing others.

"I can meet halfway the Vampyre,or Vampirism (being the practice exclusivily of without identifiying as vampire)"

This is where I would disagree, ~Dab~. If they spell the name as such then the identity is there. To be exclusively practicing the manipulation of energy, I can relate to.. But to identify with the vamp while the practice takes place I can neither meet half way, nor agree with.

But, I guess they need to call themselves something in order to feel all the better about themselves, eh? An air of intrique mayhaps...

It is a degree of seperation, marginal perhaps, but notable.

It does add difficulty for others that would userp the collective Vampyre, to bolster their Vamplier pathology.

The point of the debate about the spelling with a "y" regarding the "mental illness" involved, would be where the vamplier politicing comes into play. The authority assumed over others of the same name seems to have a manipulation of its own, which in turn creates more mental instability in the process.

Thanks for the clarity.

I am seeing a Cultish element in there somewhere.

Which makes for cognitive techniques, that borrow from existing ideals.

Thus appealing to individuals predisposed to identity
disorders.

You two make me hoot and its not because of what your writing but how you are writing it.

I don't understand most of that, its written in university speech and not all of us have had that kind of education.

I'm educated to degree level but my education is in warfare and so I have not had the same kind of intellectual debating techniques taught to me.

Many who come on here will feel the same and may I ask that you just sometimes write for us more simpler of minds please so that we may understand you.

I do not want to teach anyone here about vampirism

I couldn't careless how one calls or writes the word vamprye - vampire either. What is the fuss about, in plain english please?

Yes there are pathological people out there too but wouldn't it be easier for these people to pass themselves off as airline pilots or government agents than vampires - vampyres?

For you to say what your saying about physical attributes changing on people who manipulate energy as horsepoo then that is just being closed minded. I've not seen it either but i've seen plenty of paranormal stuff for me to agree that its possible.

SS you say that you know many who can manipulate energy who are not vampyres, yes thats probably so but vampyres do it to FEED because they NEED it. Thats the difference.

Well i guess if you go to a Dr and tell them that ur a vampire they will classify you as mentally insane.

I think that we still havent prepared ourselves in this area as yet. Of we claim something out of the ordinary we are classified insane.

Yes thats true Doctor but I have had a pyschological profiling done on me and have not been diagnosed with any mental health issues.

I hold down a business, friends, family have had stable relationship for 16yrs and have had the usual lifes ups and downs

What I dont understand is how Vampirism is a belief? A vampire is a non-human creature. Its is our choice to believe in others claims, I would like to know if those who believe in vampires what other beliefs you have? To me its a little crazy yes, but not impossible

Such beliefs as religions can change and we can pick and choose what beliefs we want, but a true mythical vampire is not a belief its supposed to be a curse and if a human is changed to a vampire they are no longer human and cant choose to believe they are a vampire.

I understand us as humans can choose to believe in such myths, but someone claiming to be a vampire cant be a choice or believed to be, they are physically, mentally, and soully changed into a humanoid creature of a completely different species.

Raziel your talking in the hollywood sense of the term vampire.

Belief in vampirism for those who claim they are vampires is not really a belief it is a way of life they live by a code of conduct and group together to discuss various feeding methods and for networking with each other

it has only recently that one or two beliefs structures based on ideologies that have come to surface and you can join and partake in the vampirsm as a belief structure. They are Strigoi vii

There are a few others too but I must say to you that yes if you choose to look at vampirism from a hollywood prospective then I agree how could anyone believe in that as a structure

dont get me wrong Lord, I dont agree with it, just stating. It is the miss conception if someone with a degree doesnt believe in it then it isnt true. If they dont have proof it exsist then it doesnt and if you think it does your wrong or insane.

It is like epilepsy, it was once thought the person was processed by the devil, then they were classified as insane, now we know it is a health issue, because we have learnt more about it.

Ah yes I see your point doctor and i have come to that conclusion myself in the past. Very frustrating.

LBN posts:

For you to say what your saying about physical attributes changing on people who manipulate energy as horsepoo then that is just being closed minded. I've not seen it either but i've seen plenty of paranormal stuff for me to agree that its possible.

When a prexisting nomeclature is adopted (Vampire)
then it is relative to the dominate definition.

To trump that original definition, what is needed is a concise presentation of an ammending definition.

Otherwise it is simple placeing an astric* after the Nomeclature Vampire*.

* Not the Vampire of Lore, and Hollywood, but a individual that feeds off of alledged energy.

With current medical science any assertions can be
tested. We have the technology.

What you LBN present is noteable not complex.

"We", seek to "charge ourselves" from other peoples
energy.

A psycological/physiological conclusion that an individual personally comes to.

However there is no supporting data, or compelling
material. For a person to be "open minded" to something then their should be something to occupy the persons curiousity, something independant from personal testimony of experiences.

When a person goes beyond rational with being a vampire they are pathologically manipulating people.

They don't technically want to be accepted.
They are intent on "Clowning", and mocking people.
They want to use the cliche, "You are ignorant, you don't know everything!"

Any attempt to engage them in inquiry, after they drop the "I am a Vampire bomb.' is met with hostile retorts..

Vampyre, is a notable result of some who are concious of the need to distance themselves by a distintiction.

What is practical about people being convinced by someone who claims to "manipulate energy to feed"?

What application does subscribing to such a personal conviction fuffill?

When those who profess to be vampires (feeders on "energy") openly state that when tested, there is no
determined difference.

If one wants people to be "open minded" about ones personal conviction, then one must consider that some
are likely to be simply indifferent. It is another belief in a sea of beliefs. Christians claim to feel Gods Holy Ghost upon them, People who vistit faith healers want others to believe them when they say.. I felt the "power'.

Fine, Believe what you want, but the degree you are disturbed by how people receive your beliefs/convictions tells much about ones Psycological Stability.

Desperation is a sign of Social anxiety, feeling that one is being rejected.




conviction

They cushion their behaviour by sheltering in with
the collectives that have more modest adaptations of the nomeclature.

While there is nothing "wrong" with believing in Paranormal ideals, to explain, and insist that every apparent anomoly one observes is Paranormal is an indicator that
someone may have mental issues.

When a person expects everyone to receive their testimony with like entusiasm it is a greater indicator.

Desperation, makes people prone to pious behavior.

Not nessacarily mental illness, but probable behavioral
in nature.


Closed Minded is a two way street.

When a person who claims to be open minded, disregards simple accounts for what they witnessed, they are being closed minded, and skeptical to physical actuality. Yes, things happen that cannot be explained, but to expound upon what happened is spectulation, and people with beliefs in Paranormal are predisposed to draw the sensational conclusion.

There is a difference between Skeptical, and cynical.

Any part of my previous post you would like me to Clarify LBN, feel free to message me.

You are a stand out among those who profess to be vampires, I would be more receiving of your account then others here.

Again I love your conclusions and I see what valid point you are making

you are the voice of those who seek answers but do not know how to ask questions

I see this now.

I have not got a problem talking with you or anyone else about my vampirism but...

I can only talk about MY vampirism. I cannot say if I believe or disbelieve others claims. Some I do and some I am skeptical over just like you

I get annoyed with those who use the term to seek glory and worship from others. I understand that there are many who would utilise this form of manipulation.

If you ask me am I a vampyre I will say YES. Ask me to prove it and I will try but the basis of my arguments will only ever be drawn from my own experience and that of countless articles I have read and digested and discussed with others about over the years.

One thing I will say, I never came OUT at 15 or 16 or any teen, I tried in vain to get a real diagnosis from the medical profession in the UK. I tried for 10 years. As I learned about occult theories and vampirsm I still tried to get a diagnosis. 5 years ago I accepted who I am and not fully. I still get tests today just in case medical science advances and they have or find a cure. I do this for my own peice of mind because for everyday that passes and they cannot find an answer I can be secure that I have found the answer.

I commend that you can disect an argument so thoroughly.

Please remember though that many vampryes - vampires* in the energy sense only, are very private and just do not want to disuss as openly as me. There are also many who will openly discuss but have sinister agendas

You show the rational approach to the matter.

Where others just throw things out, to get attention, or to go along with what they believe is the "in crowd".

When anyone person with radical views on an established ideal, they are apt to shelter with moderate
believers. So that when a person calls their irrational ideal bunk, they rally the moderates, and the moderates are then unknowingly tarnishing their "standard'.

A very pathetic behaviour, present in occult, political, and even music fans.

So do you intentionally use the spelling Vampyre, I have come to see the distinction as benifitial, I may never subscribe to the ideal, but I am getting closer to
an overall picture of the variables involved.

There is a middle ground. Those with suspect motives, and Behavioural Issues seek to exploit fringe concepts, and ideals, pressing the completely illogical, into an already sketchy topic.

So do you intentionally use the spelling Vampyre

I try not to really because i hate to be bound by sterotypical boxes that people like to place you in

To me they are the same save for the hollywood extra section but I dont make a distinction really I just spell it how I feel at the time

learned in idealisms or philosophies, mind you. But, I do research and relate to things from a lifes experience point of view, of which schooling cannot teach. Therefore, I might seem as though I have a "University" or college way of thinking, but no... I do not have that amount of education on paperwork under my belt. I simply apply common sense and understanding for the world around me.

as far as your "I do not use the spelling of the "y" via vamp"y"re in your terminology, ie "I try not to really because i hate to be bound by sterotypical boxes that people like to place you in", I beg to differ since you obviously contradict yourself, ie "If you ask me am I a vampyre I will say YES." As well as documented by the other two now "RIPed" threads you had created regarding such, ie "Myth's" and the other which alluded to the same. I commented on the "Myth's" thread as you may well known by now before it was adequettely RIPed for being posted as a Journal piece instead of a discussion of merit.

By your posts ~Lord BaalNox~, I percieve a bit of annoyance from your end regarding a few posts without mention. Though I will not antagonate nor instigate any negative thoughts from you, I will validate that this thread has been partially demonstrated in kind, by your tenacity to offer a bit of relation to the "mentality" involved within the communtiy as you have so moderately by example, pointed out by default from your posts.

Now, this would be your chance to redeem yourself by a rebuttle of fanciful and thoughout conjecture that is adequette for the corner that you seem to have placed yourself in.

The floor is yours.

That is where you dont get me ss and where we will always differ. You may say I am in a corner but I am not. I am willing to participate as long as I feel fit or as long as want. This is about me, and about any others who sit in the dark watching because they are too afraid to speak out.

I ask why are they afraid to speak out?

I may contradict the way I spell and to be honest with you its a tiresome part of forums this obsession with spelling and grammar.

I have used both terms Vampire and Vampyre but you cannot see these posts because they are in my coven. I may well have only used the Y variation here but I must admit that your now sounding picky.

I have no more to say on this particular matter. I have said my bit, thats who I am and what I am and what I think. I'm not going to sit here and be bullied into justifying the way I spell vampire its pathetic

Good for you LBN. The bully tactics seem to be the way of this world and not the acceptance that is so often preached but not followed.

LBN, I do believe Hollywood does depict what vampires are to the ancient world and the history of where such myths and stories come from as well as the deffinition that they are.

I do believe that all I need to give is this link, as it is the deffinition of a vampire by the wikipedia dictionary, how can this even been disputed? All they are is written here, I dont think its correct for humans to be able to change the deffinition of a word for their own fantasy. Be original.

Wikipedia.org- Vampire

As I base my interpretations on something much older than Hollywood, what true vampires of myth really are, if you look at any deffinition of vampire thats what you will find, not this new-age BS people dreamt up to cause what ever effect they wish.

As I said farther up, energy manipulations and blood drinking is now being called vampirism, I believe in energy manipulations as for a few decades I studied witchcraft intensively, and blood drinking can also be used in ritual magick, but its far from what history calls "True" vampires. Believe whatever you will, but what gives such people the right to attempt to change history?

Fist off, I am really getting tired of the childish excuses of "someone is bullying" when certain individuals are proven wrong then try to cover up their tracks by trying to change their course of conversation, ie talking about the use of grammar rather then fessing up to the definitional use of the grammar; the vamp"y"re being a definitive energy user to some. Not the spelling of the word, but the definition itself was the conversation. So, trying to throw the conversation for a loop is in itself a tact by the guilty. You put yourself into a perverbial corner, lad.

As far as the subsequent and supposed "bullying" goes, no one here is bullying anyone. We simply look for and wish for clarification from certain hypocritic posts within the forum threads. This and nothing more. As I said in the first paragraph, tactics are changed by those who are proven wrong in order to throw the conversation in a differant direction. Those of whom are smarter then the average bear would catch on to this form of tactical confusion. It is called subtle linquistic interference, or lawyer rebuttle for short.

Is it really crazy to make a big deal out of a small conversation, or is it crazy to think that certain individuals claim that they are differant then "human" or above others simply because they think they can survive off of "energy" feeding alone? I would call this a mental instability issue if anything. Which is where this thread comes into play and why it is still on topic regardless of the back and forth banter.

Let us try to keep this a general thread and not a blame game, shall we. No one is blaming anyone for we are all simply wishing for a bit of clarification as stated above.

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