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The Antichrist!--also described in the Bible as the "son of perdition" & the "beast"!

Like Hitler, who was one of history's antichrist archetypes, he will have great charisma & speaking ability, "a mouth speaking great things".

The Antichrist will rise to power on a wave of world euphoria, as he temporarily saves the world from its desperate economic, military & political problems with a brilliant 7-year plan for world peace, economic stability & religious freedom.

The Antichrist could well rise out of the current chaos in the former Soviet Union. The prophet Ezekiel names him as the ruler of "Magog", a name that Biblical scholars agree denotes a country or region of peoples to the north of Israel. Many have interpreted this to mean modern day Russia. His power base will include the leading nations of Europe, whose leaders, the Bible says, will "give their power & strength unto the beast."

The Bible even gives some clues about his personal characteristics. The prophet Daniel wrote that the Antichrist "does not regard the desire of women." This could imply that he is either celibate or a homosexual. Daniel also tells us that he will have a "fierce countenance" or stern look, and will be "more stout than his fellows"--more proud and boastful.

Fierce CountenanceThe 7-year peace-pact (or covenant) that is engineered by the Antichrist is spoken of a number of times in the Bible, & may even have already been signed in secret. The historic peace agreement signed between Israel & the PLO at the White House on September 13, 1993, vividly illustrates how dramatically events in the Middle East are presently moving in this direction.

Under the final terms of the Covenant, Jerusalem will likely be declared an international city to which Judaism, Islam & Christianity will have equal rights. Scripture indicates that the Jews will be permitted to rebuild their Temple on Mt. Moriah, where they revive their ancient rituals of animal sacrifice.

According to prophecy the Antichrist will not only be a master of political intrigue, but also a military genius. Daniel describes several major wars that he fights during his 7-year reign, apparently against the U.S. & Israel, who will oppose him during the second half of his reign.

Breaking the CovenantFor awhile, most of the world is going to think the Antichrist is wonderful, as he will seem to have solved so many of the world's problems. But , three-and-a-half years into his seven year reign he will break the covenant & invade Israel from the North.

At this time he will make Jerusalem his world capitol & outlaw all religions, except the worship of himself & his image. The Bible says that the Antichrist will sit in the Jewish Temple exalting himself as God & demanding to be worshipped.

It is at this time that the Antichrist imposes his infamous "666" one-world credit system...


*http://www.countdown.org/armageddon/antichrist.htm*

Your views on the subject?

My views stem from a site worth the read. It's interpretation is astounding. it describes all possible scenerios and speculates who the infamous "Anti-Christ" really is and when "he" will show "his" face to the world in acknowledgement of the power that "he" already has at "his" whim.

Meet The Anti-Christ: Here

Bear in mind that this is a very, very long page to read. Be prepared to sit for a bit.

i watched a show on this the other week it was kind of interesting talked about the pope and said the antichrist will go forth to the jews proclaiming he is god and have good favour with them,really it made the antichrist out to be a gentlman with hidden agendas

they say the antichrist is already born and on this earth but yet still a child.

They said that over 5 years ago too MasterMind. Surely there's way more than one "anti-christ" apon the world. lol

First thing on my agenda would be to get rid of the whole "antichrist" slogan. Really bad vibes with that. The physical description is endearing though, kind of a pudgy and smiling buddhist who wouldn't harm a fly. What's not to trust?

that is what the word says ...but it also say noone can perdict the coming, " he will come as a thief in the nite" so live for today love your brothers &and sisters , dont worry about what you cant change or stop

I will read on the pages but this is a religious concept and not really a philosophical one. To be able to viably talk on it one has to step back a bit. I don't know if I believe in an antichrist but then again I don't want to count it out really for the sake of knowledge. I don't really exactly believe in these concepts but it is interesting all the same. I just consider it legend more or less.

the antichrist was also a figure developed in the medieval church, and was synonymous with the antipope. i still say that the "beast" was nero, and has been dead now for over 1900 years.
~W~

I have heard the story of the Antichrist being on the plant now. That he would be a child and when he grows up he would be even more powerful then Hitler. We will not know who it is until the day he (or she for that matter) rises.

I am not a huge believer in the Antichrist as my values religious wise are not christian based so I don't believe in heaven and hell.

But if you look around at the tyranny and leaders of Tyranny, there are hundreds of people to consider as the so called Antichrist. So if he does arrive what makes him so damn special, we already have hell here on earth! Just look at how we are killing each other, death and destruction run wild and no one really gives a damn about their fellow man any more. Just walk down the street and accidentally bump into a few people or trip and fall down, scream for help... no one gives a damn any more.

So when he comes, how is he going to make things any worst than they already are?

Ahhh yes... the fabled "Anti-Christ." How many books, commentaries, prophecies and declarations of identification have been written throughout all CE periods of time on this subject? And anytime someone rises to great power and uses such for destructive purposes, Christians the world over wring their hands wondering whether this person might be... the "Anti-Christ." And every time, I have to roll my eyes.

Evil (i.e., extremely selfish and destructive) people will always be out there... those for whom the true purposes of life matter little if at all and whose sole aim is to destroy themselves spiritually, emotionally, and... eternally... by destroying others. And the more power they are able to acquire, the greater their ability to wreak that destruction to greater and greater degrees.


Putting a religious-sounding name to someone or attempting to identify a fictional "Anti-Christ" by Biblical means solves nothing and only distracts us from recognizing the far-greater dangers and symptoms to look out for.

The only way to prevent someone who has developed their selfishness and narcissism to the point of finding pleasure in causing pain... is to guard ourselves as a society from anyone seeking to strip from us our basic freedoms and rights.

In all cases, the way such evil people accomplish this is rarely through direct violence. Instead, they convince otherwise free people to freely give up those freedoms and rights through the use of fear tactics, promises of security and appeals to vanity and pride.

We saw this in pre-Nazi Germany where Hitler created or exacerbated many of his country's problems and then turned them to his advantage in talking his countrymen to give up their most basic rights and freedoms.

And today... we have seen our country for decades now slowly give up more and more of its basic rights and freedoms, as well. And the government has accomplished this using shockingly similar methodologies.

First, and perhaps most importantly, we have seen our monetary system stripped of its gold and silver standard (as Constitutionally mandated!)... and then watched as, having done so, the government and the Federal Reserve have proceeded to systematically strip our money of almost all its value by printing paper money (because its now no longer based on anything of intrinsic value) whenever they like, which increases inflation and devalues our money. This also creates and plunges us into greater and greater... debt. And with absolutely NO accountability for any of it... except on the backs of those who did not create it all: namely... us!

Today, we are literally forced to beg other countries, formerly third-world countries and still-communist countries, to keep buying... our debt. Think about that. Most recently, our current Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, publicly begged communist China to please oh please keep buying our debt. Not our products... no... instead, our debt!!!

We have watched and continue to watch as our private industries have been freely allowed to violate the law with impunity and force upon us the economic crisis in which we are still living, while then-Fed Chairman Greenspan claimed that such conspiracies were completely LEGAL!. For this, all such who acted so illegally were rewarded for this by receiving "bail-out" billions of dollars, none of which dollars are based on anything but paper and the promises of the government and are, thus, inherently worthless. Nevertheless, the BURDEN of such massive debt has simply been added to the backs of all the millions of innocent citizens of this country while those who caused this latest financial horror have been rewarded rather than punished. We then have been forced to watch as government simply came in and... took over... the most important and foundational private industries (the king-pins of our banking, mortgage, and auto industries).

And now... we face the loss of one of our most basic freedoms, now met with cheers by most citizens in this country: the government being given the reins to our country's entire health and medical industry. And all as a result of ... fear tactics and injustice. Again... rather than addressing the real issues of insurance and medical cost reform, these are entirely ignored. Instead, having created the monster costs and forcing private citizens to suffer enormously as a result, we have finally been made so desperate that we are now HAPPILY handing over our health care... to the same government that got us into this problem to begin with. We are now begging government, the source of the problem, to go ahead and further violate our Constitution by taking upon themselves huge blocks of power and control over private industry and health care in complete and further violation of our Constitution.

Our Founding Fathers (and Mothers) knew what they were doing when they set as immutable the extremely limited powers and foundational freedoms upon which our "inalienable" rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness absolutely depend... and without which, no such life, liberty and happiness is possible. And in only 200+ years, we have watched those limited powers and foundational freedoms be slowly eroded into non-existence.

We are now only a few steps away from becoming a third-world nation... under a third-world style oligarchy where our private industries are no longer private and where our healthcare system is no longer ours. Instead... all will be directly or indirectly controlled by government.

And is not the governmental control of the means of production one of the defining characteristics of ... communism?


THIS is where our focus ought to be, and not fixating on some religiously defined and motivated "Anti-Christ."


- Upir'

Very well put Upir *applauds*... The truth is, the "anti-christ" would have already been here... period. In the bible it says humans have 2,000 years before the coming of him. Umm he would be at least 10 if you count it like that but AD is hen jesus died so how long he lived really depends when said anti-christ would be here... Is a good story book, but highly illogical

The Antichrist has been predicted every time there is a new President or other world leader, since the beginning of time! I know all about the book of Revelations. In fact I mastered it and the entire bible and Qua-ran. And trust I know all about the '666' conspiracy. However, I personally believe that the 'Antichrist' is just a play on words. Misspelled phonetically it means Christian. Against the Christian religion. Christians is the real Antichrist! Who parties all weekend doing drugs, and/or drinking, then goes to church on Sunday's? Who created the Earth in '6' days and rested on the 7th? Where did the '6' pointed Star of David originate? What is the '6th' planet (Saturn). And what day is the '6th' day of the week (Saturday, Greek for Saturn's Day). It seems that the number '6' is centered around the Christian religion.

The established order wants you to believe that there is a fictitious demon or devil out there doing evil and wrong in the world. When in reality there is none! The X-tian religion want and needs for you to believe that. B/c the devil pays the bills. Revelations is a self fullfilling prophecy! Complete with codes for the established order to go by, during certain time periods. The only true and real God that exists, exists within every man, woman, and child. That is where the true god resides! Who wants to stand with me, during these turbulent times?

"The only true and real God that exists, exists within every man, woman, and child."

I think this part of the post was supposed to mean that we are all capable of attaining a higher frequency to become closer to our "god" selves or to attain ascension to sit beside the omnipresence of the universe. Spiritual Alchemy in a nutshell, the process of transmutating the soul into what it was supposed to become in the first place, a very powerful godlike state of consciousness.

Me: "The only true and real God that exists, exists within every man, woman, and child."

You: "I think this part of the post was supposed to mean that we are all capable of attaining a higher frequency to become closer to our "god" selves"

I think that pretty much sums up, what I was saying.

I understood what this post is about. I just wanted to clear the air on a few misconceptions that has crept it's slithery way into our last for over a millennia. To put something on the viewer's mind, as they look into our lives. Carry on.

An excerpt on the subject of Jesus:

"So I agreed on this List to read THE HIRAM KEY, and I set out to buy a
copy. The Internet sites were back-ordered. Borders was backordered.
Barnes & Noble was backordered. Tower books was backordered. My local
library never heard of it. No used book store has it yet. On and on.
So I ordered the book from one of these fine retailers and I am still on
the waiting list.

Still, I surfed the Internet a bit to get a whiff of this new spirit.
And here is what I found (while I'm waiting...)

1. The basic idea is that there was a Masonic Organization in Jesus'
day, and it had a big part in Jesus' Mission.

2. Even more, the Masonic (or quasi-Masonic) Organization actually
sponsored Jesus, who was both a member and a leader, but not
necessarily the highest leader of the movement. He was groomed
and supported by wealthy Masons.

3. The dramatic theatrics of Jesus' career were staged by the Masons,
including the Crucifixion and Resurrection itself. This is the
'two Jesus theory' according to these Masonic authors.

Granted, I have not yet read the book for myself, but this is the whiff
I got from the Internet. Now, before I get my copy and begin reading, I
want you dear readers to know I am going to be very critical of my reading
of THE HIRAM KEY. Why?

Because if this whiff is anything like the actual odor of this piece of
work, then I must say that I've heard it all before. I have read well over
200 scholarly books critical of the Bible, and THE HIRAM KEY does not offer
anything new from what I've gleaned so far. Let me explain.

In the year 1782 a Lutheran minister named Karl Bahrdt wrote a book
entitled, AN EXPLANATION OF THE PLANS AND AIMS OF JESUS. In this book
Bahrdt tries to show that Jesus was a member of a secret Order of Essene
monks, and these monks were the 'angels' spoken of in the Gospel. It
was a Secret Order, like the Masons, and had an international membership
from Babylon to Egypt. This Order had many secret medical practices for
eyes and for nervous disorders, and Jesus was a member from birth since
his parents were both 'Essenes.' Joseph of Arimathea, the one who
recovered Jesus body so soon after his Crucifixion, knew what he was doing
when he knocked Jesus out with a sponge of 'vinegar' (MARK 15:42-46) and
then carefully treated Jesus with Essene Order medicine and revived him.
Remember that MARK says Pilate could not believe Jesus had died so soon,
and the reason was that he wasn't dead, he was drugged by Joseph of
Arimathea, and revived.

In the year 1800 a Swiss scholar named Karl Venturini wrote a more
elaborate, and much longer, much more detailed account of Bahrdt's book,
and he titled it, THE NON-SUPERNATURAL HISTORY OF THE GREAT PROPHET OF
NAZARETH. In this elaboration, the role of the Secret Society is greatly
increased, and the Secret Society actually controlled every move Jesus
made, giving him continual instruction and correcting his errors. All
the 'speeches' of Jesus were written by the Secret Order.

This book made such a popular impression in the 19th century that Albert
Schweitzer wrote a hundred years later that, "All the fictitious biographies
of Jesus go back directly or indirectly to Venturini. It is plagiarised
more freely than any other Life of Jesus, although practically unknown by
name."

So it is not surprising that in 1929 the founder of the American Rosicrucian
Society, H. Spencer Lewis, wrote a very similar book entitled, THE MYSTICAL
LIFE OF JESUS. Now, it was considered in 1929 that the 'Essene Jesus' was
known only to the wisest scholars, and that the Dead Sea Scrolls would
prove once and for all that Jesus was an Essene.

But Lewis wanted to add one other little tidbit. For Lewis, Jesus was an
'Aryan.' The Secret Lodge to which Jesus belonged was known as the Great
White Brotherhood. They traced this back to Egypt, somehow (despite the
fact that Egyptians are not Aryans.)

I won't go into this any further. I only want to say that all these theories
about a Secret Order and Jesus are NOTHING NEW. Also, the theory of an Aryan
Jesus is NOTHING NEW. However, the fact that modern Dead Sea scholarship has
shown conclusively that Jesus was *not* an Essene makes me hold my sides
laughing at all these pompous clowns throughout the 20th century."

Excerpt borrowed from: here

My answer to the "who really was Jesus" question from a previous post... I guess someone is going to have to read the Hiram Key to find out. After a couple of days I might provide some information since I do own said book. It does provide some insight on what Jesus's mission actually was.

the Antichrist could be anyone that is evil. It really depends on who or what you consider. Some ppl considered Bush as an Antichrist, Hitler was considered as one.

Depending on what side of the world you live depends on who you would call the Antichrist.

Well, if we go by judeo-christian standards as the depiction of "evil" in the eyes of society deeming the term "anti" for anything religious, then I guess an "anti-christ" would be anything against the "christian" structure. Religous and politiciing at its finest.

Now, what if the "christian" religion had things ass backwards, and always took things out of context? Then could this mean that the "anti" as believing that the christian ways were of the "devil" from the eyes of the rebelious toward that religious class, be seen as the righteous in the eyes of someone else?

My point is, just because someone is "anti" anything, just means that they are rebelling against something that within their minds, they think as wrong. So the meaning of "anti-christ" for some could pose some reasonable questions...

What if the "anti-christ" was for the greater good over all? What if those of whom were associated and or convinced that said "anti-christ" actually understood the meaning behind the word and did not take the connotation out of context, but knew that the "anti-christ" were to rise up against some "false religion" and actually stand up for their fellow man?

Something to ponder.

that is a very good point.

There are that many religions these days but does all of them teach the word of god???

One may ask another question, why is the "word of god" THE word of God, and who made it as such, if not by popular demand, or for the sake of "finding ones salvation".

If this "word of god" is relevant to those who would deem the term "anti-christ" as an evil thing, then the term "martyr" would seem appropriate here. If said "anti-christ" were to convince those around them that they were indeed martyrs for the "cause", then show their true colours, then the point of being an "evil incarnate" anti-religious fiend would stand as relevant, and this discussion would be moot.

So, until it is proven wrong, then the debate will continue. At least until more evidence to the contrary shows itself accordingly.

i cannot say who made it so but you do hear it all the time. I use to hear it when I use to go to church as a kid. The priest would read something from the bible and at the end say according to the word of god.

Now if I got my facts right, god didnt write the bible. Not having a go at anyone, but it does seem a bit odd.

that would be like saying the bill of rights are the word of Obama or constitution is the word of Kevin Rudd (one for us aussies)

i find it utterly ridicules that you can say it is the word of someone when that person had no input into it.

We can all lay claims to being our words yet when truth be told it isnt really our word but someone elses.

That has been my whole arguement against religion, not nessessarily theology, but religion in general... Your post about summed it up in a nutshell, not that I or you for that matter are bashing any "religious" beliefs, just saying.

It has been a long winded debate over the last, who knows how long, that this debate has had its hand in the cookie jar so to speak when calling others out on their convictions when it relates to manipulation and not on cold hard facts.

This sums up my understanding of the Antichrist:

"Scripture teaches Antichrist to be a political, religious, individual, yet to come in the future (as of this writing), who is opposed to God and God's Christ and God's church. Although the only places in Scripture the name Antichrist is used are I and II John (I John 2:18,22,4:3, II John 7), the Bible is replete with instruction regarding the reality we call Antichrist. The key passages are Daniel 7, 8, 11; Matthew 24; II Thessalonians 2; and Revelation 13, 17 and 18 -- where Antichrist is referred to as a beast, a little horn, a false Christ, that wicked one, and the man of sin."

"Antichrist's name gives us indication of what he is. He is Anti-christ As every Jew knows, the name Christ is simply the Greek translation of the Hebrew Messiah, whom the Jews expected to come in God's name to save them. The Messiah, or Christ, is the one anointed by God and qualified to carry out a certain work in God's name. Christ's work is to redeem God's people from sin and death by His own death, and to renew God's creation as a creation of righteousness and peace. The man Jesus of Nazareth (died circa AD 33) is this Christ. He is God's anointed, the servant of Jehovah. He is qualified to do the work of redeeming God's people and renewing creation. The confession of the church down through the ages is, "Jesus is the Christ."

Antichrist is a false Christ, according to Matthew 24:24. He claims to be anointed by God with the Holy Spirit and claims to be qualified to do the work in God's name of redeeming God's people and renewing the creation. But he is not. He is a liar. His claims are false. He is a false Christ."

From the following link:
http://www.prca.org/pamphlets/pamphlet_3.html#anti2

My conjecture is the "what if" scenerio. What if the "great book" has it wrong, or those who wrote the "great book" just wrote it for the purpose of control and manipulation... That is my arguement.

in general context i would say someone who is against christ.

really isnt this already happening in the middle east. Who ever is in power seems to fill this idea. Saddam Hussein was a big one that came to mind he had statues all over of himself. He punished anyone that went against him.

WHEW! I read every word of all of that Soulschroudvv. You were right. It WAS a massive amount of reading. I was a little confused however as the writer seems at first intent on making a case that the antichrist will come from Russia and then promplty switches to making a case that Prince William is the antichrist. The background for making the case is exhuastive and the conclusions questionable, but it made GREAT reading and food for thought. Thanks for posting the link!

Kyriele -

"I guess we still haven't really defined who Jesus Christ was. And we've been arguing that for 2,000 yrs.

Son of God? A prophet? Just a man who started a cult?

In the Christian bible, Jesus said, YOU are the salt of the Earth. YOU are the light of the world..."


I just loved your entry, every word. Thank you for daring to question so-called "orthodoxy." Only by so doing is there any hope of finding or at least getting closer to the truth.

Jesus also stated that the Kingdom of God is within us and around us... that if we find what is truly within, such shall save us. And if we do not, what we have not found within will condemn us. Jesus' words were ALL about true self-discovery and self-fulfillment as the means to true self-empowerment, redemption... and ultimate exaltation... if ... if we will discover who we truly are and begin to fulfill our true potentials. The potentials we MUST realize in this life if we are to fulfill the potentials of the next.

And you are also correct in that WE are all ... creators. Only if we can learn to choose creation over destruction in THIS life can we hope to create on far greater scales and potentilals... in the next.

And none of this requires ... a "church." And this is why, despite what others claimed after Jesus' execution, he never started a church and never baptized a soul.


- Upir'

Very well stated as usual ~Upir~, that conclusion would qualify the base form of spiritual alchemy in a nutshell. I wouldn't doubt if the man "Jesus" was a practitioner of such as well as ascended according to the laws of spiritual ascension, rather then going to any theological "heaven."

After posting the preceding entry, it occurred to me that, if correct that Jesus was indeed all about helping us realize our true potentials rather than trying to start a church (as his followers, not he, himself, did), then if there were an "Anti-Christ," such a person or entity would be anyone or anything that attempts to DENY self-empowerment and subjugate all such to ... religious orthodoxy.

Jesus never used religious rites, ceremonies, liturgies or anything else that smacks of religion. Only those claiming to be his "disciples" (apostles) after his death did this... which, in that sense, might make these men the first true "anti-christs."

How's that for a scary... though perhaps truthful... thought? ;)


- Upir'

Well, I think the only thing that worked against him was his blatant insurrection at the market place, or so the story goes.

The religious heirarchy that was in charge of the market place were obviously in the wrong for constructing a marketing in the church court yard or where ever, Jesus being a man of integrity challenged their authority and thus the pissing off of the masses at that time.

The religious authority did not like their ways being questioned, and thus Jesus was set symbol. Though this had nothing to do with religion at all, they just needed a martyr and since Jesus was an implicated individaul who challenged authority in his own way(s), then this led to him being the most likely of candidates.

It was all political.

while im not a christian, i do know their words...

i cant recall the verse number, but jesus did say:
i have not come to change the law, but to fullfill it.

so he was an orthodox jew based on those words.
~W~

I beg to differ, on account of the recent subject drift of this thread I will continue...

It was the majority of the religious heirarchy that established his identity or classification as "Jew", not himself. He never actually admitted to being of any religious structure, his own dogma was of self actualization, a unique philosophy in that time period.

The religious heirarchy could have been seen as an "Anti-christian" based group. Considering that Pilot himself was the one who would wash his hands as a symbol of releasing "Jesus" from Pilots own authority and to the mob that was directed by the religious heirarchy themselves, thus establishing a capital punishment for their own purposes and means.

The meaning of "Anti-christ" has changed from era to era, but the definition still retains the whole "root of all evil" identity.

has anyone considered this? what if all of the bible that actually has come down to us were just propaganda. what if satan and crew were actually the good guys and the other side were a bit like the nazis. (i am all powerful. i can do anything. i really want to save you from hell...but i cant...even tho im all powerful. fact is you really pissed me off having another god before me...cause im jealous and ....well...you get the idea.

i may start that up in a thread unto itself.
~W~

I would partially agree with the above post. What if those who were against "God" and were going to write a propaganda report, used the "Mecca" tool as their conduit for mass worship? Think about it, half the world worshipping and or praying to a "ROCK" from space. Let us say that they did not want "King Solomon's Temple" rebuilt because it stood for the true church and what religion was supposed to be about from the very beginning...

Something to think about.

What if god were a product of the collective human subconciatious.

Then he would be as powerful as we percieve him to be.

If someone knew this, and had the ability to influence large masses of people, this person would be the anti-christ.

No spawn of hell, merely a very deranged man with the ability to bring about the end of creation by causing everyone to believe it's happening, ero it happens.

This taken into account, who then is christ? Another psycho? or perhaps a simple man, one who has known all along the true nature of things and simply wishes to keep existance going it's merry little way.

I do not think the character of "God" is a human effort in order to pray to something to tell them that everything will "be alright."

What about astral projection, or OBE's? If "God" does not exist and is only a thought manipulation in order to control the masses, then explain why OBE's actually happen and what leaves our bodies and where do they go when the OBE's hit...

Two and two do not equal five.

Then again 1 and 1 dosn't equal 5 either.

As for astral proection, you are still looking at a symptom of belief.
A large mass of people believe in something enough to affect reality and the belief takes form.

I forget where I read or saw this, but I heard that the Anti-Christ was already born - in 1966, in the month of June, on the 6th...going along with that old idea of the numbers 666 playing into it.
So, he's currently in his 40's, and moving up the ranks somewhere; most likely in politics, religion, or big business.

i still maintain that the number of the beast is actually "DCLXVI" as that would have been what john actually wrote when he wrote revelations. i also suspect he was on drugs (as was mohamed) but that only my dos centavos and your mileage may vary.
:c)
~W~

All this chatter about the antichrist- it is amusing at best. How quickly do we forget that the devil is fairly recent creation? Historically, Satan is simply a term denoting adversary. Not an actual creature or entity. Just as there is no red devil with thorn, there is no single "anti-Christ" as to break that down would just mean the opposite of Christ. Though apparently he is to act quite a lot like Christ.

Keep in mind that the authors of the Bible truly believed that the prophecies of end times would come to fruition within their lifetimes.

True, XTrouble...but it's still fun to speculate on the subject.
The writers of the Bible did indeed expect the prophecies to come about durning their lifetimes; when they didn't pan out, then the prophecies became doomsday stuff at the turn of each century.

I'm still laughing. I have a perfect spot on my wall if I should find him, right along with the Easter Bunny and Santa Clause.

Well this is all very interesting, I wasalways told and have read that the Anti-Christ willcome from the East, be of fair hair and skin and also be of political ranks. So with everything said and done has anyone ever considered just that, the east is in the us a very Political area and many politicians come from there who have many governmental powers that could influence the world in general.

When Hilary was running many made comments as to wonder if the Anti-Christ comes as a female . LOl I was not very impressed by the comments yet, the Bible does prophcies (sp) about who and how and where this anti-christ will come from. The reasons for the movie OMEN etc. The 666 will be the mark of the beast and well to me anytime and anyone could be the Anti-Christ as long as they have followers and are corrupt enough to be so.

Dr.Who you said do they teach of GOD. I am wiccan yet, Iwas strongly taught the words of the King James Bible so yes I think that many have been taught of God and even if they do not practice the word of the bible (Lord) does not mean that they are not aware of him and his son and the teching of the Christian / hebrew Religions.

I do not feel we will be here for the anti-christ, yet, again who really knows. Hopefully people will be smart enough not to follow someone who is going ot lead them straight to the pits of hell. yet, Greed and lust etc. has no morals so there we are. just my opinion is all.

Please everyone, detach yourself from rumor and popular discussion. Delve into the origins of the terminology and analyze the historical context. Let's start asking questions instead of circulating innuendo.

if we can say that by the "east" they ment the u.s. east coast, then we can bend it to mean anywhere.
if we want to be literal, then the east would be ...THE EAST! LOL that is east of the island that john was stuck on when he was writing. so...pretty much anywhere east of greece.
but if the east u.s. is the place..perhaps we are talking of john edwards? LOL
just kidding.
interesting thought tho
~W~

Not too mention that if you kept going east, you'd end up west of where you started.

Interesting thread. The word anti, mean before. So, for some to get a name as an Antichrist, that mean, that person is arriving before Christ. Do you think that Christ is coming? If he show up, will be to calm all the destruction created by the Antichrist , which for all, is evil on flesh.

Anti also means against...(opposite)

It has been a long time since I've written on a novel reply on this subject, but I think now is the time to address it.

An antichrist could be a love of life, the land, the animalia, including the human race, and wisdom. It is not a philosophy to be commandeer by every wheatfield with crows who thinks that violence is the core of such linguistic units.

Though I hold beliefs in Kemeticism and Norse Mythology only, I acknowledge that the truths of the spiritual realms are unknown and unknowable. I shall speak, though, believe as you may. Do not expect others to accept everything you believe. If you can truly be yourself even under such ridicule without seething in negativity then you have nothing to fear. Is there anything more ridiculous than an antichrist who denies the existence of Satan?

I wouldn't call it that rediculous. Insignificant event. -glares at the screen, deeply in thought- The asinine skivers file down the aisles. Interesting perspective. If God was meant to be the ruling predominant force, He never would have created evil. Surely there was an intent for balance.

A little indignant rant. This text says the same thing too many texts already say, as always they say about it. Period.

now now trouble...we all know that the east and the west are separated by the bospherous sea....no need to try and and get past that eternal truth LOL.

besides...back then the earth was still flat wasnt it?
~W~

my thought is the antichrist is here and he/she will rise before the world sooner then most think.

-shakes her head- I do not know what goes on for America, but I hope it is not tragic around the world.

I ask, what apperature does the inclusion of an Anti Christ serve the Establish Christian Dogma/ Docterine?

One potential purpose, a prearranged loop hole for rising againt the first person who offers an unbiased alternative to the Establish Religiosity.

The founders of the Church, and those who colated the bible well knew that
The Gig would be up if a people being to weigh the " Word of God" with common sense, and logic ( free from superstitious flammery) . So when any one person offering a break through ( From Atheistic/humanism perspective)
the church ( to save their bread, and butter) denounces the free thinking movement as AntiChrist, seeking of course a figure head.

The Antichrist!--also described in the Bible as the "son of perdition" & the "beast"!

Like Hitler, who was one of history's antichrist archetypes, he will have great charisma & speaking ability, "a mouth speaking great things".

The Antichrist will rise to power on a wave of world euphoria, as he temporarily saves the world from its desperate economic, military & political problems with a brilliant 7-year plan for world peace, economic stability & religious freedom.

The Antichrist could well rise out of the current chaos in the former Soviet Union. The prophet Ezekiel names him as the ruler of "Magog", a name that Biblical scholars agree denotes a country or region of peoples to the north of Israel. Many have interpreted this to mean modern day Russia. His power base will include the leading nations of Europe, whose leaders, the Bible says, will "give their power & strength unto the beast."

The Bible even gives some clues about his personal characteristics. The prophet Daniel wrote that the Antichrist "does not regard the desire of women." This could imply that he may be celibate. Daniel also tells us that he will have a "fierce countenance" or stern look, and will be "more stout than his fellows"--more proud and boastful.

The 7-year peace-pact (or covenant) that is engineered by the Antichrist is spoken of a number of times in the Bible, & may even have already been signed in secret. The historic peace agreement signed between Israel & the PLO at the White House on September 13, 1993, vividly illustrates how dramatically events in the Middle East are presently moving in this direction.

Under the final terms of the Covenant, Jerusalem will likely be declared an international city to which Judaism, Islam & Christianity will have equal rights. Scripture indicates that the Jews will be permitted to rebuild their Temple on Mt. Moriah, where they revive their ancient rituals of animal sacrifice.

According to prophecy the Antichrist will not only be a master of political intrigue, but also a military genius. Daniel describes several major wars that he fights during his 7-year reign, apparently against the U.S. & Israel, who will oppose him during the second half of his reign.

For awhile, most of the world is going to think the Antichrist is wonderful, as he will seem to have solved so many of the world's problems. But , three-and-a-half years into his seven year reign he will break the covenant & invade Israel from the North.

At this time he will make Jerusalem his world capitol & outlaw all religions, except the worship of himself & his image. The Bible says that the Antichrist will sit in the Jewish Temple exalting himself as God & demanding to be worshipped.

It is at this time that the Antichrist imposes his infamous "666" one-world credit system...

This is not neccessarily what I believe, but a little history on what some do.

That entry lends to my conclusion. How else could Established Religion account for attacking a uniting figure.. especially if that individual is secular in nature.. and more effective then religious groups.. they need that flim flamery to predate their denouncement of said figure.. or secular group.

Their " All good things for the masses thru belief can only last so long as freethinkers awake the sleeping masses that await promises of " pie in the sky."

Everyone seems to be awaiting the Antichrist's rise, I wonder if I am lucky enough to live to see his fall! :)

They may as well conspire to capture the Tooth Fairy.

I will say that Christians Covered the angles with the AntiChrist Gimmick

well, doesn't it say that all the Christains will be brought to heaven before the Antichrist comes

No, it is said that those of whom have passed shall rise again once the nazerene has his second coming. Nowhere does it say anything regarding the "Christian" name itself.

Very true, very true.

I want to quickly thank everyone for their thoughts on the subject, I enjoyed reading what you all think. Again, danka.

Ave Satanas,
~Master (Kontroll) Damien~

We all know the major religions pinched stuff from the far older Vedic prophecies so is it not better to find the original sources?

And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, but no man knew but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat on the horse."
Depends on who you believe really? Tfs.

I think someone may be taking some Kali-Yuga way too seriously. The Videc texts are simply India's version of Nostradamus in a nutshell.

These texts have been turned into a sensationalistic archive of words by one Steven Knapp. No words are the be all end all of anything, even if someone holds a belief in them. Since things have not come to pass, then there is really no credibility to any futuristic claims of "armegeddon", "Ragnarok", etc.

The very text that are sighted by such doomsayers as Hal Lindsay are transcribed from text edited from fragments of text that bore relevance to
an era that held superstition above rational thoughts.

In their time prophasy was " multie medias" staple fir the masses.

Is it not pathetic to beat such a mummified horse?

Makes one wonder...

However my view simply is that people were called the anti christ in the past.

From hitler to U.S. president Ronald Reagen. (one reason for reagen was because his first, middle, and last name had six letters)

And so if the real thing does happen, it is likely that others will be called the antichrist.

well, the anti christ could f already been, I mean the Catholics persecuted Christ and hung him to the cross, totry and cause people to not-to believe, proving that he was a mere mortal but crusifing him and killing him yet, he did arose again from death, they say and well to me the catholic higer ups could be the antichrist since the beginning of time. I mean it can be broke down to so manydifferent scenerios as to say on this subject.
Anti does mean before but also, against so as the bible does it cna contradict itself many times over.

Of course we were taught that the Anti christ is a person who will come in t destroy all faith and religious belief that is here on the earth, already. So I just say hope not to be here anytime for any of the hell fires of Good and evil battles at any time .

The bottom line is that we all believe what we want or don't believe in anything that is already here. We have our choices and well making good choices can be in many different venues, I just hope I am not around when or if the world comes to any crazy chaos so just my 2cents woth LOL

It has gotten so that even people who do not subscribe to Christianity have
adopted the whole Package if BS.

LOL Dabbler your funny and it is sad and true tho' unfortunately

It will be unpredictable who it is anyway. Plus, all he's going to say is everything the greedy or the selfish want to here.

Does anyone here believe of the RETURN of the AntiChrist???

Actually Aracon, yes I do.

It remains astounding to me how seriously so many, even non-Christians, still take the whole "Anti-Christ" thing all these millennia later... and two millennia after Nero, the very person specifically described and named by "John the Revelator" in the Book of Revelations as "the Beast" by giving out the "number of (Nero's) name."

As for Daniel (Chapter 11), the actual translation for vs. 37, is as follows:

He will not respect the gods of his fathers – not even the god loved by women. He will not respect any god; he will elevate himself above them all.

- Daniel 11:37

Once again, as with the whole "Lucifer" translation fiasco, the King James Version translated this verse wrong, as well. Thus, this has nothing to do with homosexuals or asexuals. So we can all ratchet down the apparently growing hysteria and take a closer look at these verses before rushing off to side with mainstream Christianity's self-serving conclusions.


As a scholarly examination will clearly show... the events Daniel describes were events that occurred in, around and between Greece and Persia in or about the 5th Century BCE. Further study reveals that these "prophecies" were written after the fact... and not before. So also and in like fashion, the Book of Revelations prophecizes of the very Roman Emperor then persecuting the Christians. In all such cases, when carefully studied, we learn that all such Biblical prophecies were, in fact, written after the fact and deliberately in such a way as to make it seem they were written before the fact... with the exception, of course, of Revelations' claim of Jesus' "Second Coming"... which, obviously, still hasn't occurred even after 2,000 years despite the fact that the apostles were clearly given to believe it would occur in their lifetimes.

As already pointed out by Dabbler... religion generally and historically loves to do what it can to scare into submission and obedience those either ignorant or lazy enough not to actually question and research its claims.


- Upir'

Aside from the whole "Anti-Christ" term, what do you all think about the Great White Brotherhood, Maitreya and the philosophies of the Theosophical Society regarding the New Age approach to the coming war between the "good" vs the "evil"?

Would we say that the esoteric side of the "Armegeddon" and the "Anti-Christ" could be considered the true side of things when regarding Helen Blavatsky's Theosophical ideas?

More info may be found: here

I think when and id this peson comese we won't know til its to late. He will be charismatic and will try to unite under the guies of forming a one world government and will use the military to accomplish this by then it will be the begining of the end.

well, the Antichrist is supposed to signal the end

According to the Bible it does show hints that when the anti-christ arrives it starts a seven year clock, when that seven years is over. The ones that poofed come from heaven and allegedly help create a one thousand year peace era.

After that I could not honestly say 100% the end simply.

But even if that not the case, I believe something similar will happen anyway.

The very fact that both christianity and islam are the fastest growing religions out there. Eventually some political fella is going to take enough bull crap and start a movement to both end the outrage of religion and a global state.

The christians will simply take that brave soul and call him the anti christ, as they did with Hitler, known only because of his passion against jews. However he will not be remembered by his genius mind that helped begin the voltswagon company, it was his "perfect" car for the perfect world he tried to create.

After when the countries that have religious ties to there government, the rest of the countries will unite and try to eliminate the religious ones.

After that I will not know who will win.

your thoughts?

There have been many over generations to be dubbed the Antichrist because of their actions.

Nero (Nero Claudius Caesar), A.D. 37-A.D. 68, Roman emperor (A.D. 54-A.D. 68).

He was originally named Lucius Domitius Ahenobarbus and was the son of Cnaeus Domitius Ahenobarbus (consul in A.D. 32) and of Agrippina the Younger, who was the great-granddaughter of Augustus.

Agrippina married (A.D. 49) Claudius I and persuaded him to adopt Nero. In A.D. 55, Agrippina saw the bonds of her domination of Nero loosening and intrigued in favor of Claudius' son, Britannicus, but Nero poisoned the boy.

Poppaea Sabina, the wife of his friend Otho , became his mistress; according to rumor she was to blame for the worst of Nero's behavior. In A.D. 59 he murdered his mother and in A.D. 62, his wife Octavia. He later married Poppaea.

When half of Rome was burned in a fire (A.D. 64), Nero accused the Christians of starting it and began the first Roman persecution. In A.D. 65 there was a plot to make Caius Calpurnius Piso emperor. The detection of this plot began a string of violent deaths, e.g., of Seneca, Lucan, and Thrasea Paetus.

Nero had ambitions to be a poet and artist. In A.D. 68 a series of revolts, including one by his own Praetorian Guard, caused him to commit suicide.

Among his last words were, What an artist the world is losing in me!

His memory was publicly execrated.

Nero is just an example of such, in my opinion. His persecution of those of Christian faith made those around him believe he was Stan himself in human flesh. Was he? No one can say but his actions were considered deplorable by modern standards.

What's Jesus? The Prochrist?

Jesus is the self proclaimed god in human flesh. He was the messiah or promised leader of the old testament. examples like the book of Isaiah round chapters 49-60 have verses saying the individual will come as though of a lamb.

The christians call these chapters the servant songs, for by their viewing and interpreting; that is Jesus.

the chosen one for short...

other evidence in the old testament says the chosen one would be a nazarene, and "Jesus of Nazareth" (sorry if mispelled) are one of the many connections the christians point out...

The Antichrist couldn't be any worse then the so called Real Christ with his anal retentive anti-gay philosophies! The Catholic church is the most corrupt institution that has ever existed (except for every other man-made (emphasis on MAN) religion out there!. Do you all remember seeing Pope John Paul II laying in state on national television? Have a close look at his brown leather shoes - Louis Vuitton!!! That's right! Several thousand dollar Louis Vuitton shoes! The hypocritical son of a bitch! Oh , and for all you brain washed Catholic worshipers out there who want to condemn me to hell ... FUCK YOU!!!

I believe in neither. Truth be told, evil in my view is the darker side of our own inherent nature and not something decided by something biblical and therefore disputed. It was said that Nero Ceasar, Hitler and Saddam Hussein could possibly have been this 'Antichrist' but it does not make me believe any more than I might have without proof.

Besides, it's my belief that Christianity is a religion based on fear. If you listen to most of the teachings you see everything being said about 'sin'. What is sin anyhow? Truth is, what their so-called religion teaches is that living without fear of consequence is sin. Repent or you go to hell, they say. Why repent? Why give belief in some 'god' which may not exist like many say it does spur fear into your hearts of some punishment you won't even LIVE to see?

What is an Antichrist, I think we use the name to loosely now. anyone that doesnt follow our ways and beliefs we call anitchrist. Someone who we think is evil we call an antichrist.

For those of whom have bashed certain religions in this thread, please keep in mind that it is again the TOS for doing so. We the audience do not wish for this thread to be RIP'ed prematurely because of overzealous ranting.

As far as the Nazerene being "homophobic" and or "anti-gay" or what ever, please post where in the bible it states that the Nazerene was ever either of these terms.

Let us please keep on topic without further bashing of any religions.

I am still waiting on thoughts regarding the Maitreya and the Great White Brotherhood as they pertain to the "anti-christ" prospect.

Thank you to the above poster for being the voice of reason here. This is not a racial or moral debate, this is something a bit more ideological, I suppose.

Honestly, I agree with CountWallaby on the fact that the term Antichrist seems to be a label for the undesirable. Have we become so willing to cast the name of a supposed evil on to something we just don't like? Sadly, the answer seems to be yes. Has modern day religious intolerance forced society into being that narrow-minded? Apparently we all know the answer to that, it seems.

Any kind of tolerance be it religion based, or other, is brought up in all walks of life, be them from religious households; political parents; stubborn in-laws, are always followed with ridicule within the same standards.

Hell, if one looks at it, the hole "anti-christ" gig could be seen as society in general. The people vs religion or the government. Or vise versa, as the "anti-christ" being a symbol for either the government or religion.

In the end, its all political no matter which point of view it stems from. Society will be looking for a "savior" as they always do in the time of dreadful crisis to come and rescue them from torment, no matter what ugly face is shown by said torment.

Where is "ye old" superhero when you need them? That was a rhetorical question, by the by.

Is he coming? No, probably not. I doubt he ever lived, much less exists now. There is no god to save man if they cannot save themselves.

I tend to agree. Not in the fact he never existed however. As stated before we brand anybody as the Antichrist. Perhaps Hitler was the Antichrist of our time.

In the years to come there may be another person who takes on this role.

I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it
-Voltaire

i think the antichrist thing is a tad scary but we humans have the power to stop it from happening

Holysmoke.org/Tolerance

An article worth reading. I do agree that outright " bashing" is best left out if the thread, there are tactful ways to present ones opinion.

Lol the Antichrist... good one Hun.. hmm well No one knows.. though this.. "Antichrist" might as well be the one who shall come out of the pits of the abyss.. ~Apollyon~ or also known as abaddon.. though most say he is here on earth already and has set the place on this earth for the Antichrist to come down and take over.. its all on how you look at things.. and how you see the world as it is..

I do apologize ... they weren't Louis Vuitton shoes ... apparently they were Prada.

And what does the above post have to do with the price of tea in China? Just because someone wears "Prada" does not make them special in any way. Hell, I could buy prada at the nearest discount shoe store that I see. Nothing wrong with that.

Anyway, back to the discussion at hand with "relevant" info to bring to the table.

Did u read my post? I was correcting what I had said in it. Simple as that. Knowing how sensitive some people can be I wanted to make sure I got my facts straight.

I personally think that to believe in the Antichrist, you have to believe in Christ. And to that end, I think that that Antichrist wouldn't just be one person. I think it could be figurative, or literal, it all depends on your take on it. Personally, I don't really believe in the Antichrist. I really don't think Christ himself was the savior of mankind. I believed that he was a real person, but I don't think he was anything other than that: an extremist-of his time-that preached something people could believe in and was killed for his beliefs.

vvSoulshroudevv ... if you think that my initial post (assuming that you read it) was really about the Pope wearing Louis Vuitton (or Prada or whatever) shoes, then I am afraid that you missed the point entirely.

On a side note in the Enoch bible it talks more of such things and might be where most of the info your after comes from.
I had a thought as it says the angels mated with women and they had giants who were very bad things.. isn’t Jesus such a baby? Will that make him the antichrist and well .. the pope is his spoke person today?
Just a thought

No ~Kitten~, I understood your "point" quite well, actually. Unlike others around me, I have a head on my shoulders. Anywho, your entire previous post seemed to instill a tenacity for religious bashing. Most of the post was irrelevant and completely off topic. Which is why I commented on it in the first place. the berating of religion is not condoned on VR and is against the TOS. Therefore, I merely posted a warning as such before the thread got RIP'ed unnaturally.

Now please keep on topic, as this is a decent thread and again I would hate to see it get RIP'ed for no good reason.

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