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What compells a person to present themselves as " Evil"?

Even to the point of making moral, or ethical avowments that are offensive or gratituous.

Morbid Curiousity aside, why the need attempt to repulse people by such
Exclaimations of " Evilness"?

Is it any different from the " Holier then thou"?

Compells a person to be evil?

Still not sure of this, what do we consider evil, an act of wrong doing to human life or structure in community or society. posseded in terms of demonic or un-natural.

Murders or thief's that may have unbalance in their system to drive them to these acts.

A person is generally a neutral state in which decisions or acts they do make the perceive as evil. Just because a person wishes to claim or structure their life in religion, Vampiric, werewolf does not prove them evil or insane,.

Dabbler, you're awesome!

I do believe you might be correct about the opposite of Holier Than Thou.

I do believe those who like to present themselves as "evil" (or at least what they percieve as evil) are just out to get attention. If they truly were evil, they would be out murdering, robbing and molesting whomever.

The sad fact is, is they're not evil, they just want attention.

So murders or serial killers want attention. Huh

perception of society is what is not the norm than it is evil. OK understand the post yet my perception is not for attention. but to be themselves, yet others perceive the evil as going against society.

Well the question was, What compells a person to present themselves as " Evil"?


I don't think Dabbler was talking about actual murderers. I believe he was talking about those here on VR who would like to present themselves as "evil".

Do we consider all that come to this site, perceives themselves as evil or is this interpretation that of someone else.

I perceive myself as me, nor evil nor good, just me. others may see different, yet ideals of individuals that may have their own perceptions in dispute. Just because peoples interests in vampires, occult or wicca, does not perceive them to be evil or want attention for some case.

People come here to fit in because maybe they are shunned or have friends here, or to find resources that help them with their life's structure or about fables and tales of history and myth.. not because of ignorant term of being evil. Or perception of being evil.

Sorry if that came out strong was not intended to be just, words of wisdom, that people do not come here as evil. alot of good people on this site.

Oh, I agree totally. There are many good people here and I have many friends on this site.

I just happen to agree that there are also many people here who put up the guise of some kind of supreme evil, and I am just saying that it is to obtain some sort of attention.

Some may, I would agree with that thought, yet is it for attention or some underlining aspect that they wish not known. Usually hidden agendas seem to spark the insight of evil persona or being abrupt to cover total intentions.

Ahhhh, perhaps that is what Dabbler is getting at. But, what agendas could there be really.

there is a glamour in the darkness i think.
so see how evil i am....ie, see how cool i am...

just an idea
~W~

Malicious intent, the need to seek personal justice, prejudice, discrimination, the need to feel important and powerful, the control over other people's lives, overbearing ego
List could go on for why people present themselves as evil

More then likely because they are tired of all the B.S. that spews from society on a daily basis, from all niceties of telling someone to "have a good day", to blatant communication skill errors of being too nice just to get their way. I have seen al this before on numerous occasions. I can say that I know almost exactly why certain individuals take on that "morale-less" demeanor, or way of life. They just decided not to give a damn about their "fellow" man or woman because their fellow "man or woman decided not to give a grap about them.

Cause and effect in a nutshell.

*Soulshroude*....More then likely because they are tired of all the B.S. that spews from society on a daily basis, from all niceties of telling someone to "have a good day", to blatant communication skill errors of being too nice just to get their way.

So, maybe I'm confused here, but...what you're saying is that because someone is exposed to niceties and the friendly, courtious actions of others, it influences them to proclaim themselves evil or to move in that direction? Uh, That's a bit screwed up...

Isn't it though? A reverse psychology scenerio. I think that if an individual were in a stressful or negative surrounding, then that surrounding in turn could produce the opposite effect from that frame of mind. Perhaps the individual were tired of being negative or in that negative atmosphere and in turn craved something positive, thereby adding positive reinforcement within their own lives.

Cause and effect.

largely I would say it's because many people, not to put too ugly a point to it, but many people are simply fucking twats that think dressing in black makes them goth and therefore eeeeevil
or they simply need to play a little less dungeons and dragons

I know this sounds a little harsh, but in all the years of this site I have seen some truly monumental fools, claiming vast powers of darkness(that they couldn't back up), strange and esoteric knowledge(that they couldn't back up), being hundreds, even thousands of years old(without even the basic understanding of historical facts during periods they claimed to have lived through), links to demons, angels, otherkins, werewolves, etc etc etc
basically as was already said....they are kids asking for attention....if they were to sit with some real evil, have a conversation with say Albert fish, richard ramirez, or someone in that scale...they would likely shit themselves

Wait, are we discussing the pippy twats out there that just want to fit in, or are we discussing the actual mentally deranged psycho-pathetics out there?

the way the original post was worded...I would assume the pippy twats, the i'm so evil because I wear clothes from hot topic crowd

"Evil" as the new "Holier-than-Thou"?

Dabbler... you're a genius!


I think you are absolutely correct. We see it happening not only here on VR (where such "evil" posturing and preening is found in spades throughout most every profile)... but, pitifully, throughout almost all of modern culture. From women seeking "bad boys" to the media lavishly criminals with attention in direct proportion to the hideousness and depravity of their atrocities, is there any doubt but that infamy is the new fame, that depravity is the new virtue, that dishonor is the new honor, that... in fact... evil is now considered good?

Small wonder why we, as the most technologically advanced civilization on the planet, are also now on the very brink of self-destruction. For you cannot praise destruction so greatly without eventually reaping exactly what you have so diligently sown and cultivated and revered. You cannot glorify violence without cultivating exactly that. You cannot reward the ever-increasing exhibition of base selfishness over all other considerations without motivating those desire such rewards into becoming ever more selfish and short-sighted.

And we have continually cultivated exactly such destruction, violence, and gratification-seeking base selfishness (i.e., "evil") for so very very long.


- Upir'

Thus? Beware calling good, evil and evil, good.

Tahnks to Dabbler for starting a very good post and one of my all time favorites so far.

What is evil? What is good?

Most who have posted say murder is evil? But most would say that our soilders that are killing Al Queda and the Taliban in the world are good.

One would look at the life of Mother Teresa and conclude that the Catholic Religion produces good. But if we look at the Spanish Inquisition most of us would conclude that the Catholic Religion was evil.

So which is it?

Is pretending to be evil by definition evil? One poster spoke of the "need" to seek personal justice is evil; the "need" to feel important and powerful is evil; having an overbearing ego is evil.

Is it evil to think it if we never do it? One of the Ten Commandments is that "thou shalt not covet" followed by a long list of things owned by our neighbor that we sould not want as our own. Is this a commandment that we should follow because it will likely lead to committing acts that are evil or is the very thought evil, even if we never act upon it?

food4thought

Now to the original question.

What prompts a person to present themselves as evil, and say things that are offensive to others either here on this site or out in the world?

In my opinion, this is much more complicated than one might think.

Vampires, witches, werewolves, pagans, etc. are often depicted as evil by the media both through fiction and through what is loosely called "news". This site is called Vampire Rave. Those who come on here and want acceptance might be motivated by the media image and try to paint themselves as "I fit in with the rest of you." So they say things in their profile that are not really who they are.

Some may try to impress other's on this site they preceive as "evil" because of the danger factor.

Then their are undoubtedly a few who are here to announce their true inner selves and come off outrageously evil.

I am sure there are other catagories that could be added but I have written enough for now.

food4thought

Finally, the question of is this "need" to paint one's self as "evil" or perhaps more accurately, "more evil than the rest of you" really the same as those who who claim they are "good" or "the most good among you"?

Of course it is. And as several posters have previously written, it makes for divsions among us, even in a most accepting and diverse environment as VR.

But I am a believer in the first ammendment to the US Constitution not just as the law of the land but the only way we can ever accept each other as part of the whole of humanity. Do people lie because of the first ammendment? Certainly. Do people work for thier own selfish interests by use of the first ammendment? Absolutely. Is "evil" proposed and other's induced to committ evil acts as a result because of the first ammendment? No question.

Should we solve this by getting rid of the first ammendment here on VR. NEVER.

food4thought

my thought is that ppl tend to use the image of evil to avoid being hurt, most ppl try to avoid those that are thought of as evil thus the effect is achieved.

SoulShroude - "A reverse psychology scenerio. I think that if an individual were in a stressful or negative surrounding, then that surrounding in turn could produce the opposite effect from that frame of mind. Perhaps the individual were tired of being negative or in that negative atmosphere and in turn craved something positive, thereby adding positive reinforcement within their own lives.

Cause and effect."

I agree with you on that one. I'm one of them. Grew up abused and beaten and never knowing love. Here I am now and that's all I show people. I hate being around negativity and try to keep a smile on and let people know how special they are to me......

Anyway, I do have my own theories as to why people proclaim to be evil.
There is one such member on this site, I won't give out the name, that goes out of his way to tell people how evil he is, how he would love to join the military just so he can kill people and laugh about it, how he loves to torture others.
I think he does this to get attention. Maybe SS has something in the "too much nice makes naughty" bit... But I think it's more of a way of lashing out.
Truth be told, he's probably a sweetheart and gets picked on a lot so he has to try and make himself look like a billy bad ass online.
Isn't there a song that says "I'm so much cooler online"?
Anyone truly evil, that I've known of anyway, has always hidden it to the best of their abilities because they like what they do and they'd rather not get caught.
Those that flaunt it, obviously, don't care nor are they really prone to "evil" acts and even those vary depending on who you talk to. What's evil to some may not be to others so this person picks the absolute worst things to talk about in order to get a negative/horrified reaction from other members.
E.g.- Murdering/eating babies, killing pregnant women and then committing acts of necrophilia, skinning puppies alive and hanging them outside a child's window.... These are but a few things he has mentioned and started an uproar about in some threads.
He said what he had to to get the attention he wanted. He stopped for a bit and then did it again.
Not only that but someone truly evil, I don't think, would even spend as much time on this site as he does. If you're truly evil, why would feel the need to be online all the time? Don't have some insanely hideous acts to plot and commit?

I agree, anyone who is truly evil (ie sexual predators) tries to hide their evil. Thus, to entrap others.

Those who boast of their "evilness," probably are truly nice people who have been done wrong somehow.

Awesome Responses.Thank you all..

One other element to consider( and I do see this topic as having a combination of answers) is Distruption, a person that has nothing to contribute to a topic throwing a "Shock Granade" into the venue that is
a engaging discussion.

Like Crashing a formal gathering.. With nonsensical behaviour..

no, topics get off course with shock gernades, topics lose the luster or knowledge when diverted.


Evil is a conception of human thought and balance in which society tells us yhe boundries that each lie on. for evil perceived one way may not be the same done by others in control.

It's all for the attention mostly.

A truly 'evil' one would not brag about it, but do it.

I've seen members admitting that they say they do certain things because they like the reaction people get.

Also, sometimes the word evil is used 'lightly'. One feels negative emotions and suddenly they say they're evil. Anger, sadness, jealousy, revenge, all feelings of negativity but does that make someone really evil? I felt these emotions yet I don't feel evil.

As for evil being only a social aspect, partially it is, but don't tell me that rape, pedophelia,...should not be considered evil, even if it wasn't from society!

Even if society didn't punish certain things, I still wouldn't do them!

a truly evil person waits for the right moment to let the world know their presence

Some people are only aware of the least intelligent part of the evil distribution; those are the people who are obviously evil: criminals. The normal and intelligent ends of the evil distribution totally escape most good people's understanding.

What does an evil person of normal intelligence look like? Most people are very familiar with them. An evil person of normal intelligence is a person who makes life difficult, painful, and unpleasant for the good people around them. The supervisor who creates a crises at work by trying to pour a cup and a half of coffee into a cup and then requires everyone to work holiday's and weekends to clean up the mess - is an example of an evil person of normal intelligence. What distinguishes such people from criminals is that they are quicker learners; they figure out what will happen to them if they pursue the sort of obvious evil things that the least intelligent of the evil spectrum do.

Evil people of normal intelligence are careful to do their best to blend into good society. This insulates and protects them from the angered reaction of good people; who would hammer them just as hard as they hammer the least intelligent of the evil. Indeed, evil people of normal intelligence are so successful at blending into good society that their statements, goals and culture have become 'normal' and 'accepted'. For example, the comic strip 'Miss Peach' is an example of the behavior and actions of evil people of normal intelligence. The 'Put Down', passive aggressive behavior, insults, 'back stabbing', these are all typical behaviors for evil people of normal intelligence. All of these things are so common that many good people adopt them as reasonable ways to behave; they are not, they are as evil as anything could be.

Persons who boast of being and doing evil are attention seekers, who can't get attention in a positive way, like, say, an actor or musician gets attention for their talent. Age isn't a factor-it seems to me...one's social status is what seems to matter; the attention seeker is usually someone with an inferiority complex who uses evil claims as a manipulative tool, trying haplessly to frighten people into respecting them out of fear. Personally, I don't sympathize with those who claim to be evil. I think they're cowardly twits who hide in the dark. In most cases, the're actually funny. If refering to this site only, those who boast of being evil, or being a "bad-ass" (I mean, honestly, what are you going to do on a computer?), don't realize how ridiculous they look.

What is evil and what is good? If I obey the law, does that make me good or evil? But if I do everything the law says, that wouldn't make me good because I am pretending. So that is no good and evil.

indeed? if you spend the day dreaming of slowly torturing children to death, then id say you have an evil side.

if you actually do it, then you are truly evil.


but if you break all the traffic laws, yet you help people for the simple reason you want to help others...id say that your a good person.

just my thoughts
~W~

Thank you Aizen

Such attention seekers often exibit sociopathic behaviour as well.

In a majority of cases that are concluded ( by consensus) to be evil, a common denominator is; the individual that initiated the action often has
a "self motive", they may actually believe their actions are justified, or warrented by idealism.

As well as people titleing themselves " Evil", it is not limited to "evil",

How many profiles avow " I am a Bitch.. So if you don't like it.."?

Is it a prerequist perhaps? Or a resignation to antisocial impulses?

Is there an underlying desire to attract other " evil" minded individuals?

Perhaps with an intent to Phish, and expand on their " evil persona"?

Is " Evil" self actialized?

It becomes apparent that the equation/ formula one personally adopts would hold bias.

In an objective sense, evil does not exist. The distinction is merely in our minds, and subject to variation.
Yes this includes rape, murder and whatever else you would add to the list. These acts are not inherently evil.
We, as conscious humans, deem these actions so with empathy for the "victim."
I think they are "wrong" because *I* care. (this is not a vague abstraction, I actually do care)
Objective nature does not. (this is only a small fragment of a deeper issue, but entirely off topic)

The portrayal of "evil" I would say predominantly on this site is either defensive, or offensive.
Either anticipating a strong negative response, or looking to cause one.

Dabbler, those who proclaim themselves evil, bitches, assholes.... They're all the same. They do it to get attention. Those that have "I won't talk to you anyway so fuck off...." and all that mess, they just want attention. If they truly didn't care or wanted people to leave them alone, they wouldn't be here to begin with.
Why make a profile only to tell everyone to fuck off and not talk to anyone?
Seeing that makes some people WANT to talk to them to find out what's wrong. Others enjoy the challenge of getting some antisocial person to talk to them and call them friend.
As SoulShroude said some posts ago, it's a reverse psychology ploy whether they know that they're doing it or not.

i see myself as normal . society is the one who calls me evil by my ways becasue they dont understand me . their loss . not mine i am who i am because i feel comfortable this way like it or walk away

in terms of evil and good, its all in the eye of the beholder
one person might view another person's deeds as evil, but to the person committing the deed, it is good

As we live our lives others judge our actions as good or evil, however, that opinion is based on the perception of that individual through their enculturation, which may be correct or incorrect. It is too easy to judge someone else and assume you are correct without knowing the true answers that escape your arrogant ideas. We "all" have our agenda's for being on the Vampire Rave. Being judgmental of others is the evilest of all, especially when your arrogance blinds you.

It was once said, "Love sees sharply, hatred sees even more sharp, but "Jealousy" sees the sharpest for it is love and hate at the same time."

love leads to hatred and pain and vice versa
good leads to evil and evil leads to good
both are forever intertwine in a cycle

MyArmyLife- great post I think you hit what dabbler wanted right on the head, attention of these people we percieve as evil. Yet is the pace in which society is going now. Drama, attention for what, respect would be better in terms of all of us have our rights and thoughts to express.

I'm sorry... I usually don't take issue with a lot of opinions made here as we are all entitled to such, of course. However when it seems more and more are jumping on the "evil-is-relative" bandwagon, I must interject my strongly felt contrary view.

While true that many use the term "evil" to discredit or vilify that and/or those with whom they disagree... which most certainly is not actual evil. In fact, to so do is the true evil. Yet, as implied by that last sentence, there most certainly are actual evil acts and evil people who have destroyed themselves to such an extent that they find pleasure in hurting others through such destructive acts.

Thus, by all I can discern, anyone who deliberately inflicts real injury, pain, damage, or other forms of destructiveness upon another person is .... evil to the degree of the pain intentionally caused. And anyone who does so and, more callously still, derives "pleasure" from such destructive acts adds yet another layer of evil ... again, proportional to the degree of the pain inflicted.

And, in my opinion at least, I would dare to say that anyone who would disagree with this has either not thought it through well enough (the most likely case) or is perhaps a sociopath and, if so, someone who fully deserves to be just as deliberately victimized themselves so as to perhaps finally ... get it.


- Upir'

In essence to your post ~Upir~, you are simply justifying the definition of the term taken from a psychological viewpoint as to what the term relates to.

Digressing here, evil in its physical manifestation depends on how much harm one can inflict on any other individual, the perception would be the allocated harm equals the balance of evil within said individual.

Regressing, the psychological behavioral patterns would tend to be mandatory with that of "remorse" or lack there of emotional imbalance to achieve such actions on the physical level.

Thank you Alexandra Ashes..

In nature ( animals) there is instinct, a lion killing a gezelle is nuetral..

A working model for evil, is subjective by degree ( as Upir stated).

Yet as ~SS~ expanded .. if " Evil is, as evil does.." then " After evil does what evil does.. how does evil reflect upon what was done.?"

A further model.. " What motivated evil to do what evil set to do?"

When does "evil" become gratuitous?

An example.. note this will offend..

An individual states.. " I raped a ten year old, just to gratify my urge to find out if I could get away with it."

As opposed to.." I took advantage of a ten year old, she was too trusting; most ten year olds are, she won't be as trusting anymore.. think of it as a public service."

Too see beyond the definative " Evil" into: Depraved, Demented, etc..

It seems that declaring ones self evil, just to make people uncomfortable.. or
" agast" is not at all evil, but more idiodic behaviour.

Flag waving sociopathy..

While I find it intriguing that we can turn around the "Holier than thou" concept, there is something else here that is sort of bothering me. I am sort of disturbed by some peoples willingness to put forth the idea to others that the idea of good and evil exist outside the framework of human existence. These ideas/ideals, are completely of human invention. It is humanities desire or need to dispose of that animalistic portion of themselves that has led to the creation and adoption of such notions over the millennea. They did not exist before hand, nor will they exist beyond this existence. And it is unrealistic to expect such.

As to the protestations that people make about themselves being "evil". While some may do so simply for attention, or intentionally shock others, I think a serious point has been missed here. There is a very large possibility that the individuals do so, in settings such as our lovely VR, simply because they feel safe in expressing that side of themselves here. Whether or not one acts on a quote "evil" thought at a given point in time, is not what would make one evil or not within the confines of human perception. There are many here, I am sure, that have been labeled as evil over the years by many simply because they express themselves in a certain manner. Thereby over time forcing them to see themselves as such. Then they seek somewhere to belong, and express themselves in the fashion that they have been so labeled as. It is highly disrespectful and judgmental for us as a whole to simply say that these people as a whole are just seeking attention, even though that may be the case for some.

I urge you all to think about the notion as to whether or not it is realistic to believe that things such as love and hate, good and evil, right and wrong, are going to follow you once you leave this plane of existence. The idea that an emotion or human label that requires the human brain to conceptualize will follow you beyond this life is not rational. Once you return to spiritual energy or whatever you believe to come after this life, if anything, it is not a realistic concept to assume that something that required human form for you to experience, would follow you after that framework is gone.

either way the sense of right and wrong, good and evil will always change depending on the doer and the observer

Along with the personal or adopted biases of the individual.

I usually laugh when someone says that. If they were truly evil as society judges it, they would be in hiding :)
Why would a truly evil person try to impress anyone? I don't get that. I would think cunning and silence would be on the top of the list of someone like that so those who state they are evil, yes, I would have to think they were trying to impress someone, get attention.

Bias of individual go along with every walk of life in society. The Norm and its political understanding of what norm is.

A general convention exist, whether people subscribe to it our not, too often those who sherk the " norm" are not very productive in society.

But how reliant they are on that " norm" is what excepts them from the minority of " strange" individuals.

As mentioned here a few times, society busies itself with critiquing the behaviour of others. What purpose then does self declaration serve?

Your last question of "What purpose then does self declaration serve?"...I think the answer is self glorification. In my opinion...people that claim to be evil are looking for attention. If one is truly anything at all...must they really need to tell anyone? Would it not be evident already without broadcasting it?
And there you have my 2 cents of the day :)

the Primary effect as stated bt sycoligist is the basic example of the determination of a person presence by the first few minutes we make an impression.

Hiden agendas to shy away from their personal flaws in life, bias on showing all that they are tough or evil by trying to grab attention at their imposed behavior.

The Primary effect as stated bt sycoligist is the basic example of the determination of a person presence by the first few minutes we make an impression.

Hiden agendas to shy away from their personal flaws in life, bias on showing all that they are tough or evil by trying to grab attention at their imposed behavior.

The Primary effect as stated bt psycoligist is the basic example of the determination of a person presence by the first few minutes we make an impression.

Hiden agendas to shy away from their personal flaws in life, bias on showing all that they are tough or evil by trying to grab attention at their imposed behavior.

Where theres good, theres evil.

Thanks Cadre, I fine summation.

In my humble experience you are likely to be labelled evil if you argue from below are different or display unnatural abilities.
Though this perspective seems to be as much a fear of the unknown as anything else.

Society simply judges using the bench marks laid down by the Churches and more recently Hollywood.
An example-If 90 percent of people die after a freak asteroid collision on Earth it must be evil?
Yet if the Asteroid had not reduced the population the Earth would have over heated killing everyone.

I like Asteroids and do not like 90 percent of people, does this make me Evil ?

'Though this perspective is more a fear of the unknown, then anything.'

I am not catching your crux Mr. Falling Star, for clarity sake, could you please offer an example of how this fits the topic?

Sorry if I missed your train of thought.

It was questioned as to whether perspective and therefore social values played a part in Evil "seeking to impress".

My point being that perspective inevitably plays a part in how Evil is viewed. If mother Theresa is viewed one way then I guess Dracula would be the dark opposite, I seriously doubt either do it to impress ?
It is just in their nature and between the two there is balance.
Without war, starvation and disease the world would be a very crowded place by now.
Therefore death has a right and perhaps weeding out the weak is "good" thing?

but who are we to judge the actions of good and evil

each individual determines evil or good. laws and structures determine evil or good. yet mis interpetastion is given off by those who want the persona of evil

We as humans have a capacity to reason.Why the aversion to judging the actions of others?

A human flaw that is promant in all people, for the first few minutes of meeting someone we have laready made a judgement of the by their looks and dress. Than comes the second reasoning of verbal and non verbal language tha a person protrudes. a basic reasoning of all humans in a society.

Dabbler I think your correct in saying that being evil is the new holier than thou...

True evil to me is someone without morals, who has no self control, and lashes out at society due some ideal of persecution.

Those that run around waving the flag saying they are evil... well that is typical attention seeking behaviour to me.

I personally believe that we all have a fine balance of good and evil within ourselves. But its a personal concept as to what evil is to you. Stealing the next door neighbours newspaper could be deemed an act of evil by some, but bloody hilarious to others.
The thing is knowing where the boundaries lie, knowing when your over stepping the laws of society and morality. Basically controlling your urges to kill the dog next door for barking all night :D

OK Dab let us run with the idea of being judge...Myself I would see all those pretending to be independent of financial incentives hung, the deliberately lazy and ignorant, the bent politicians and doctors,
the users and takers.

Those who knew know better, those who had no choice or who just sought a good time, those who had bad parents or parents killed in action.... let them have the food !
For in truth, were they not the better?

EXAMPLE~Above all 14,000 bankers in the UK which financial institutions failed last year received a BONUS of over 1 Million pounds.

Excuse me but that is f**king Retarded! They would have been bankrupt if not for us!

Let em die! Vote here for T.F.S ....ROFL!

humans judge each other to avoid accepting their own flaws

Why go straight to " Evil"?

Why not proclaim depravity?

" I am so depraved."

Deviant?

" I lack impulse control."

Fallen Star points to another, Corrupt. There are more people that fit the corrupt criteria then evil.

A Yob, is a Yob.

Antisocial behaviour is evident, though some ( often" insulated" people) are likely to conclude such behaviour as evil.

It just becomes gratuitious to default every reprehensible action evil.

A depraved person can squek by in such an absolutist society.

Assessing a person is a product of natural evolution. Though extranuos bias
is a foundation for prejudice. When a person avows " I am evil." or makes a
general odious statement, " evil" or not, they stack the " deck against themselves".

You seem to be indicating that "evil" is the opposite of "holier than thou" and I have to disagree with this ideal. Just look at the murder of abortion clinic doctors by religious nuts claiming they're doing it to save lives. Anyone that can justify killing another as a good thing is walking real close to that evil side.

In my job I had the opportunity to see many different types of people after they had be arrested for crimes we'd generally consider "evil" such as murder and rape and child abuse. There was a strange range of emotions that I observed from true regret to indifference to outright joy in their deeds.

Those that had killed another in a sudden burst of anger or under the influence of drugs or alcohol tended to be the ones who upon sobering up and realizing what they'd done did regret it usually because of what it would mean to their lives rather than the loss of another but sometimes you'd find one who was so filled with true regret that their punishment of themselves would be worse than any the law could provide.

Most fell into the indifference or self pity group and while I don't consider this true evil they showed a true lack of humanity by their example.

But on the rare occasion I met some who committed horrible crimes and took pleasure in it even in being caught for it as they bragged of their deeds. If you looked into their eyes there was no one sane or human home, if you know what I mean. I came to consider these people as soulless for the spark that allows for humanity was missing in them.

So I do believe evil exists in people but those that are truly "evil" are rare, thank goodness.

As for claims on profiles as to being evil I just laugh for how does anyone determine such a thing in an online world.

As for me, I claim to be neither good nor evil but a combination of both based on my selfish needs or emotions yet tempered with the human kindness and manners I learned. Sorry this is so long but I've read this thread and finally just had to add my two cents.

I just read a quote recently that basically says, How religious zealotry can foster evil acts. I will look it up.

By refering to holier than thou mentalities, I was more addressing the piously religious, comparable to the piously " evil".

AOG is an example of Fundamental Zealotry, and those who exercise bigotry in the name of God. I agree this is definitly in evils neighborhood, along with the Sept. 11 attacks.

The rest of your post is soundly presented, reflecting an acute observation aptitude.

For some reason, this day and age, calling oneself "evil" is the cool thing to do. That is what I have been seeing.

being evil separates you from teh norm
society tends to view itself as good when in reality it is ruled by evil

"being evil separates you from teh norm
society tends to view itself as good when in reality it is ruled by evil"

This statement made almost no sense...

"being evil separates you from teh norm
society tends to view itself as good when in reality it is ruled by evil"


Aizen, I'm not sure I understand what you mean, could you elaborate please?

in society, everyone views themselves as good. However in reality, society is corrupt and that corruption leads to evil deeds that is done in response to the corruption. Every actions has its own equal reaction. The point is that good can't exist without evil. For every good deed, there is a bad deed. However, people refuse to recognize the bad deed.

That is a generalized statement, if ever there was on. Absolutist. It begs to be supported with an example of how " rampant corruption is".

Perhaps the media spotlights corruption, and that gives the impression that everything is corrupt.

I'm in agreement with Dabbler on this one, Bad deeds/news or corruption make for much better copy in the news and so are what we get fed the most. It's not as big a seller when it's the working joe who risks his own life to save another. So we do get the feeling that it's all bad but if we could look deeper we'd see a difference. Not everyone is good nor bad even bad guys sometimes do something good for unselfish reasons. But who's going to pay to read about that?

no one wants to read something that talks about bad guys doing good deeds. Society believes that bad people can only do bad deeds.

I do nto think anyone is "compelled" to be evil. My opinion is that it is a matter of choice. I am the type of person who believes that even the smallest amount of good resides in everyone. So for me I do not think anyone is compelled to be evil they simply go down that path as a personal choice.

I have noticed over the years many claim to be to be this or that regardless if has anything to do with the topic at hand. I feel they are seeking attention.
All to often we come across profile pages where someone is threatening the reader not to mess with so and so or we the reader will feel their wrath. Do they know where we live? I don't think so. What possible wrath are they going to rain down on us?
It is the same as the self professed evil among us. Are we supposed to stand in awe of them? Are we supposed to steer clear of them? No they want us to show them attention or possibly a little respect. They reason this is a Vampire website maybe my boast of evil will set me apart and garnish me the attention I deserve. When in actuality it only shows lack of judgement.

"in society, everyone views themselves as good. However in reality, society is corrupt"

Speak for yourself. I know that I am a good person, I am not part of society unless "I" choose to be. I know what you mean by the statement, but I prefer not to put myself into any classifications such as a "society". I am not with the "crowd", never have been.

Some politicians are corrupt, yes. But we cannot associate all of society into that "corrupt" association. Individuals are corrupt, pick and choose. But to associate the "all" into a set classification is a bit narrow minded, wouldn't you say?

Very well spoken soul

not being part of teh norm and being drawn into the false reality that is set up by the norm means that a way of escape is nessecary
perhaps that is why people do evil deeds

If you follow the means to be manipulated then you are very right. But those who do not categorize themselves with labels will stand against you, to where the words that are stated would mean absolutely nothing to them. Thus, to be impressionable would fail miserably. There are those who are impressionable and those would would seek to lead the impressionable. The latter would be out for only themselves by seeking to impress those would would follow their lead, thus comes peer pressure.

Do I come off as confusing? Could this have made an impression? The reality is, just be yourself and quit "trying" to impress others. They may like you more for doing so.

Just a question. I do happen to agree that you can't make generalizations about "society".

But...

If our society isn't corrupt, why then, the need for so many to exclaim that they are seperate and don't want to be included in said society?

~SS~ to your post I would only add the intimadation factor, as well as seeking to impress others.. as you often state, it becomes a desperate grab fir noterity with such individuals. They adopt, and shed titles monthly, and clique by clique bases.

Today claiming to be " a stoner", tomorrow " a punk rocker".

That.. is a fine example of Wickedness, and wickedness.. is most appealing as a characteristic..

True, intimidation can influence others to become someone that they are not.

some who profess themselves " evil" seek to intimadate others as well.
It feeds a perpetuating cycle. Cliquish' behaviour.

When framed in candor, such inviduals are seldomly consistent with their adopted.. assumed.. persona gratius'.

interesting point dabbler

Some people are "evil", even if you choose not to believe their confessions of that fact. Our enculteration molds the person we become and being cynical of a persons motives does not change who they are in this world.

To expand Duro

What, in your opinion, compells a person to " confess to the fact" that they are evil?

Most of the people that I do know, that confess to be evil, they do it because they create an Aura of intimidation around their peers, can be co workers or even family members. Remember, since we were little, our parents wrote in our mind: "stay away from evil people".

You sparked me with that post Markus..
in a sense some who title themselves evil could be pre-excusing rude behaviour, or to dismiss lack of social etiqutte in general.

As some one pointed out earlier in the thread, " artificially nice" people can provoke a person to adopt a persona to repell said people, placing it aside, only with those that are not " artificially nice".

I would include that such examples of application are rare, and that those seeking to impress peers, or intimadate others are a majority.

Again the gratuitous are exposed by candid remarks. Gratuitious disingenuous people speak, as if reading a script. Authentic good character can be decerned by a persons transparent nature.

Here, here.

." I want to be a nonconformist.. just like them!"

Spot on Upir.

There are individuals that do not confess to be evil but are evil by their actions, as defined by society. They do not seek to impress but seek to gain pleasure without regard for societal rules; they do not think beyond their own pleasure.

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