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Most places in history are built up by greed. Now many being built are on ancient burial grounds. Wrong or right? Who gives this right to someone and why can't it stop. When we die a city will be built on us . Now why should they get away with it and why is it now frowned upon. Our ancestors are being wronged. Why should this be allowed to happen? Why can't we stop it... is industry is wrong? What are your thoughts?

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I found the articles here very informative.

building on a burial ground disrupt the spirits' eternal rest and results in haunting the plantation

i take what i consider a pragmatic approach. first, there are few places that dont contain the remains of someone...just too much human history for it not to,

people and animals die, and return to the earth. the rest of us live on top of them.


as to who gives the right. id say that right comes from ownership. if you really want to keep a piece of land safe from such development, buy it, and let it be.
~W~

yeah we should leave the burial grounds alone
if we place ourselves in the deads' places, we wouldn't want someone disturbing our rest now would we

actually im rather hoping that im dug up in a thousand years so people can gaze upon my tats and wonder at their meaning.
i believe in reincarnation, so once you die, its just meat anyway. perhaps ill dig myself up in the future LOL.
~W~

I just say when i die stay away from my body . i am resting because i am to busy in this world to . buisness industry . work for a living . man when im dead bury me and dont build on me. thats not only disturbing the dead it make it sad the earth gets destroyed more because we need more buildings .well just to say that my resting place wont have another mall on top me and that land will be paid for by me . my burial plot dont build on me .

As populations increase on mother Earth we see that areas that are once deemed sacried now become building sites of the future. Many old buriels never recorded are destroyed by humans advances. Some never known and others moved secretly. is it wrong, morally yes, but when greed of humans advance than so does everything else.

We're just killing ourselves quicker by expanding . humans will destroy this world sooner than when the earth decide to rest herself.

The town that live in is built on top of a native american burial ground. I think tha is why the town is considred one of the most haunted in the midwest.

Weeeell, its pretty complicated question and situation, but I do not agree completely.
The cemeteries are ussually used for engraving during long decades, even centuries and most often they are growing or new are open instead of overbuilding them.
It is true that nearly everywhere on this planet there is something "burried" under, but it is so old, that there arent ussually any wrotes or people who would remember it....mostly all those are cases in witch we met with really old archeological sites, where is maybe something supposed o be build. And than its just on the state an darcheologists, how they are cherishing its history and what would they do with it (e.g. total overbuilding/ partial integration of the site to the new building etc.)

Personally, I don't care who builds what where. I don't believe in reincarnation or any of that. Once you're body is dead, it's dead.

When my body is dead, build what you like.

I want the people that I love to remember me and my life, not my rotting corpse.

Yeah, thats a good point of view...
But for many people its kind of help in form some "solid" where they are able to be as "close to their dear" as possible.
For many people the worst is when their sibling dies and they have no opportunity to burry him, find him the last resting place...

And it is obvious that cemeteries are for dead one just a place, but the most importing meaning they have for those who are still alive...so its not important if u care or dont care about it, your family will.

I want to be cremated and ashes flushed down a toilet.

I'm gone, I don't want friends or family coming to some grave stone. To me, that's just gross. Remember me while I was alive, cherish pictures or whatever.

I have family that was buried in cemetaries. I don't go and visit because, the person I knew is gone. They no longer have presence in my life. I prefer to remember them when they were alive. Thus, I don't go to funerals either.

Respect the living. Love and cherish them. When they die, it's too late.

i just feel who is to choose what important . now they dig up these old sites from history and make it wrong to build more on them .now why is it right to preserve what they think is important . but build on the common man . just because they have not been dead as long why is it ok to build on them . but the egyptians and all the sites they dig up trying to create towns they stop as soon as they find them and forbid it for historical reasons but you and me are basically worm food and a new subfloor to someones house . its just wrong .thats where RIP comes in . but for most RIP is a statement . not a respect .

If there is an "afterlife", and I believe there probably is, why would I want to remain somehow attached to my rotted corpse here on earth? My hope would be that once I die, I'll "move on", and if someone errects a mall over my grave, the only way I'd be aware of that is if I'm still lingering around my bones, in which case, I think I'd be quite bored. Afterall, we're talking about eternity here; I think I'd rather be elsewhere, but thats just my thought, of course. I've heard of hauntings around the sites of Indian burial grounds, even read some, so if I were a contractor, I don't suppose I'd want to build anything over a graveyard. As I stated in an earlier post, theres a site you can link to if you want to read more about this subject.

either way humans are destroying everything in their paths so its not surprising that burial grounds are being desecrated
such a shame for the burial grounds

It is very wrong to do, but unfortunetly some Ancient cities had no choice as disasters took entire regions, and little open ground remained to rebuild on fresh ground.
Like in the catacombs of France, Rome even here in Chicago and San Francisco.
It will be no different than in Haiti when they have no choice to rebuild that city.
I have actually seen very old grave yards in the backyard spaces of Farms here in Penn. from the Civil War era.

To me it is disrespectful and most often times totally unneccesssary.

Creeper...there is one big problem....As I wrote before - one every piece of Earth there is something under surface, believe me.
And imagine if all should stay preserved, we ll soon have to move to some other planet... Life needs space and after such long existence of our world, we just have to live and accept that the space population needs is most important and only few things (objects, graves, tombs) are able to be preserved for the future.
On the other hand I know about many past periods in which even the greatest monuments and historical "jewels" were destroyed without a wink of an eye...

true enough
however the need to spread their stupidity and illness is what often drives society to build on anything and conquer everything

i tend to think that building on such grounds is a bad thing and the ppl who do so get what is coming to them

My family owns property in Ny that is surrounded by Indian Burial ground... and there is also an old burial ground across the street from their house up in the hills.

Indian burial grounds are everywhere, unmarked graves can still be dug up. yet is it a moral thing as we see it or just another piece of land to inhabit.

I think people give way too much creedence to superstition and horror movies.

seems like it, for a movie comes out an people start questioning it if it was true

i believe it is wrong to build on burial grounds but most people most likely lie and say they are not burial grounds for the money or just care more about money then who they are building on.

just wait till its a law to be burried because people need to build more . how will people feel not having control of their resting when they die . people as humans are overpopulating this world . i dont think ths was a plan in life . doctors and all the things they do to preserve life . what happened to survival of the fittest . the animal kindom has it , people try to stop the natural path of death in anyway they can . thats whats destroying this world . i just think of the hell my kids will endure when they grow because of it . i teach them of respect and the spititual words and let them know a pure way of life without destroying the elements . but think of what hell they will go though . one day people will live in protected houses no fresh air all generated by machines because we have killed this planet . and the gov. is already trying to inhabbit other planets . it will be a few years for them to buikld it ,but they are doing it as we speak . who gives us the right to destroy it all . mother nature will set her wrath upon us one day to show our wrongs . why must it come to it .

True, all that situation with overpopulating is really not good for our planet, its simply not NATURAL.

We will suffer for it one day

well even if something does happen, the family probably won't come out and declare it otherwise teh media will get them and with todays society anyone's pain and suffering is fair game

I honestly don't think it matters. Everything goes back to the earth including our remains. If you are spiritual/religious minded most believe there is a place you go to when you die. This being the very essence of the person that is non physical. I think man has always built over burial grounds. Many times they just don't know this. This is how archeologists discover new places by digging and finding cities or locations where others have lived hundredx, and sometimes thousands of years prior. I am sure there are burial grounds somewhere. Many times they burned the bodies for the sake of health but in some places, burning of the bodies was considered unseemly. I guess I think it doesn't matter unless the culture at the time thinks it matters. It's relative to the beliefs of that generation, culture and sometimes laws. I don't know if I believe there would be unrest by some spirit if you do but I do know there are a lot of stories about such things.

Go to the cemetery by the Whaley House in San Diego, they have built right over some graves. You see markers in the street and on the sidewalk outside the actual cemetery. People walk right over them. I took pictures of some. I thought it was really strange they did that. Hauntings are prevalent according to some in the area. Not sure if it has anything to do with the graves though.

Agreed, in most cases, builders find out that on the area they are working there used to lay burial grounds after they begin their works... and then its too late and archeologists come to excavate...

I thought that they would continue building

definitely... on the other hand why not....cause nearly everywhere there is something and population simply canot stop building :/

I see the moral problem only in cases, when companies want to build on recent cemeteries...when remaining families are still living or so

incur the wrath of the spirits or the wrath of the customer and boss
I prefer the latter of the two

yet hauntings are not always the way the movie depicts, do we ever see such a haunting and realize that the house is on a tomb

I think building on sacred burial grounds are wrong. It can be stopped if a community stands up to the builders and councils that do this. You just have to stand up and make your voice be counted.

The other answer to the problem is to stop population growth, if we don't need to constantly expand and build then we won't need to take land that should be sacred.

Yeah, but how would you do that, stop the population growth. I guess its possible just through politics and changing the states system....but wouldnt than people be unsatysfied, maybe even feel under pressure and also torrorized?

there is no way of stopping humans fro m expending into new terrorities

Well the Vatican proclaims that the Church (any church) is sacred ground and should be respected for the spirits within.

Yet recent excavations prove the Vatican is built upon the destroyed church of the Roman god Mithras.(Sun/war God)

P.s. do not tell the Catholics, hypocracy makes them upset.

P.P.s.The Christian political movement also destroyed the Pagan Churches and erected their own upon the ruins.

Grrr...

As far as "hauntings" go on these burial grounds...

For every one person who claims that they've seen the spirits of dead people walking around these places, I'll bet that there are a hundred or maybe even a thousand people who will say that they haven't seen a thing.

Most "spiritual happenings" are just tricks the mind plays. Or, are the lies told by residents and store owners to get interest out so that money can be made in these areas.

The mind is a powerful thing and plays tricks on people all the time.

I have a couple of friends here in Louisville. When they were teenagers, they used to sneek into Waverly Hills Sanatorium. They used to run around the building playing tricks on the guards and slide down the body chutes.

I asked them both about the place and they said that all of the things said about that place is just hocus pocus. They spent hours in there and never heard or saw anything suspicious.

It's all just what you believe, and believeing in something doesn't always make it so.

what u see isn't always what u get.

i do believe that it is wrong to build on most burial grounds for it is disturbing their peace and resting place. you never know what trouble may befall the new owners after having built on an burial ground.
they are suppossed to be sacred and left alone that way the dead can have their peace at last.

exactly, but recently people have shown zero respect for the dead

However azien, would it not be logical for the spirits to move to cities and places where energy is?

Think about it, there is no where near the same amounts of energy in a graveyard for spirits to thrive where no people or beings emit energy. I think they go to the cities because their life energy source is there in much larger number...

well, spirits will follow the beings who disturbed their rests. If their target is in the city, there is indeed more energy for the spirits to use.

Well Many hold cemetries adn burial grounds sacred and to build on them is wrong on many levels. Yet, They used to bury the dead right where they fell also, I mean the civil war, settlers and even many crusaders had been burned or buried in a field. To me we cannot consider many places as sacred just because at the time they decided t bury someone in the back yard.

Please do not get me wrong, I respect the departed, I do agree that they should have laws that protect the grounds that are very known to the world and try to at least preserve them. For history if nothing else, As for me I do not care whee you bury me I am no longer in tht shell of a body.

People have building on land where the dead is buried for thousands of years. It is not a new concept. Open land is few and far between now a days. I see nothing wrong with building over burial grounds today as long as it can be done without excavating the graves beneath.

open land? True but at show some decency for the dead.

Sorry but, I prefer to honor and cherish the dead in my mind and in my heart. Not with a tombstone and a plot of land.

I have to agree with ARSENICbiohazard, on this I honour my dead in memory , love and thought, the cemetery is just a place to goand place gifts on the tomb, and maybe reflect, yet you can reflect your departed anywhere I have lost both my parents in the last 5 years and (my dad last year) it is not any fun going to the cemetry so I do not , yet, I feel respect is in order to soem degree.

I didn't meant that quite literally as in respect the tombstone and the land. I meant respect the deceased person lying in teh ground. I mean, come on! Can't the dead have a break? Would you like someone disturbing your eternal rest?

If I'm dead enough that you can cremate my body, then I'm dead enough not to care if you disturb my body in the ground.

my bad for posting that then

If the plague was released from rat feeding on festering dead then wait and see what happens if that occures again . it is possible if it happened before i think it could happen again. i dont think the bodies have to fester in the open to make it possible . the way they bury people in some countrie i am just waiting to see . we might dig up our own demise

good point

This reminds me of the Civil War cemetary in the town I live in.

The hospital is close to it.
The hospital wanted to dig up the graves and move them to another spot, so they could build a parking garage.

This outraged the town.
Then the price became too costly for the hospital.
It remains.
I cannot say it is haunted, but to see the soldier's tombs and the huge walnut trees that are in the cemetary is a nice place to visit and read the tombstones of those that you can.
By now they are most likely recarnated.
There are Indian tribes that believe that spirits that have passed over live in the trees.
So every tree that is cut that would make it a sacred tree.?
My dead body will be donated to science and from there burnt.
It is my spirit that lives on not the body that we use to communicate with one another.

dead body donated to science makes me think of body world

I think it is disgraceful that cemetarys are destroyed to built highways and buildings, modern sociey needs to respect and protect its history, and what is more historic and symbolic then the places we and those before us lay our dead to rest.

destroying cementrys is just as bad as robbing dead bodies

I think the only way to keep my body would give my premission and donate my body to muscle museum . They can preserve me and make me a teaching tool but I refuse to be burried . I dont want my body dug up and thrown in a box in a warehouse as ancient remain .If thats where I will be I will put myself there so nobody disturbs my grave and hurt my family . Stop it before it starts.

Excellent.

Most places that are built on burial grounds are the ones with the most sightings in the paranormal and said that the bilding becomes theirs and in other words cursed. Or so I have always been told

first...
when i die, i think im going to leave my body to science fiction
LOL


secondly, i agree the intentional destruction of a cemetery is vile. a road can be built around it.


but...that said

i dont get as annoyed as i might because almost every place is built over a place another is laid to rest. not so much here, but in europe i doubt that you can walk 100 feet without walking over the spot another was once buried.

just my thought
~W~

Personally, I wish to be creamated.

It is wrong to me... like a loved one is not important after they decease

Burial on sacred sites is disrespectful to the one's buried there and their families. I do not like governmental agencies who think they can just plow over lands and destroy sites that have a significant place in history. Of course I am a little bias because I am working on my Anthropology degree with a minor in Archaeology and Forensics. I strongly believe these places need to be preserved, these places hold information on how people lived and these places can be the only way to learn of the cultures, lives, and beliefs of people who are no longer present today.

Native American burial grounds are a great example, but greedy businesses and people have destroyed many of these, therefore destroying a important part of history.

greed overcomes many things including respect for the dead

it just depends on your beliefs. some believe you die, and your spirit moves on.
in which case, no harm is really done by building a quicky mart on the burial ground.


another side is that your spirit is somehow connected to your body.
in which case a truly great dishonor is done when the burial ground is desecrated.

we must just do what we can to prevent that from happening.
it will happen, but we can prevent some of it.


as for cremation....at least our loved ones can keep you as a souvenir then.
:c)
~W~

sometimes burial grounds are forgotten
then the land is sold then they discover
[often when building] that is was a buriel ground

it has happened many times because many tribes and civilizations
don't stay in one location for a number of reasons. weather. others moving in. desease. there's so many factors....
so we con't say that they are all done out of greed...

because how many of these buriel grounds had a sign up like
"HEY DONT BUILD ONTOP OF THIS BLANK PIECE OF LAND"

100 years down the road.... you won't be able to tell it was a burial ground with proper upkeep of the area.

without*

Good point

yes, interesting perspective on this

Wolf~ now, wouldnt it just be smarter to try to prevent all of it?
I mean, I am sure not going around to disturb a million graves, searching to see if the soul is still there or not!
;)

How would one tell?

well, one cant really tell whether or not the soul is still there or if the soul has move on to the next life

I agree this is wrong, a resting place is a sacred place and should not be disturbed. It often seems this can lead to interesting results, perhaps it is true that the spirits are disturbed when the land is built upon. I'm not sure I always beileved the spirit moved on to a more wonderous place after life, but how would one explain the hauntings that seem to take place if no spirits remain in the area?

somebody in security i know works at a place which built over a victorian cemetary.the building is haunted by a small boy in victorian clothing who stares at them reproachfully.i think there is a niche in the industry for a security company which specialises in haunted buildings.

it is wrong to build on burial burial grounds. those who knowingly build on those grounds deserve what will come to them

Interestingly enough, an old,old woman told me something as a child that I never forgot.Even more so,this woman was a Hopi indian.She lived in the White Mountains of Arizona,and talked to me when I was grieving over a friend who had perished in the desert one year while I was away at school.I wanted to go to her grave.Her words where ,and I quote" There is nothing in that graveyard but dust and bones"There was more to that,but I will keep that private for now.
So while I have always found that kindof odd coming from an Indian woman,I must say,I tend to believe it to this day.I dont believe spirits stay in or near graveyards.Unless that paticular place has certain electromagnetic features that make it "known as a place of power".Just because someone is buried there,doesnt make a place powerful .Or sacred as some would put it.

For the record I disagree with this I feel it is wrong to have no Honor and build on our dead... Its a final resting place not a supermarket plus all the money put out for burial is nuts

In light of that last post I will ask then,who of the posters drive a car?

Im serious about that .Do you all think that just because we might find bones and such that it makes it more sacred than some poor caveman falling into a tar pit? Which incidently ,is...yeah ,dead things.Animals and some humans included.The very essence that you put in your cars to keep them running.;)

In western practice we box coffins in sealed containers.

In some cultures they burn their dead.

I see this matter as a case by case issue.

Factoring in intent, and process of available parties.

Memorials are established, there are memorial parks ( though usually they involve no remains.

Sure you will have shady developers who skirt legal, and ethical bounderies.

Yet you can also find people that stall developments over any vague claim to sacred land.

I have seen cases at both sides of the spectrum, and I have seen absolutely corrupt Funeral Homes.

are you an animal


How about your most departed love one mind if we dig her up to make car parts or just dig her up to make a store over her place

Thanks dabbler

this was what i was trying to say both sides there is a case

There are law offices that specialize in such cases.

There are law offices that specialize in such cases.

There are law offices that specialize in such cases.

There are law offices that specialize in such cases.t

There are law offices that specialize in such cases.

"are you an animal


How about your most departed love one mind if we dig her up to make car parts or just dig her up to make a store over her place"

Animal?~Looks at tail~ Well,I guess partly.:)

All joking aside,on this Earth,I celebrate the living.I also celebrate death in that at the time of it,we have no further use for our flesh and our "spirit or soul"moves on.Do you honestly believe that a spirit that has been freed of all holds of the flesh would hang around its dead body for the rest of eternity that has been buried on some plot of land deemed so by the man who sells you that plot? I dont believe it for a minute.

I never said a spirit hangs around Now did I No

However your tail is a different subject

as far as the rest there is cases on both sides

I believe in many things it still dont make it so

all we have.. are our life experiences or what we know to be facts


and one is I reply to this one as i see points on both sides

however i never said anything of spirits here

Also,it seems my point has been lost on some,or conveniently ignored..I will ask again.Do you drive a car? or feel it is ok to drive a car?
Think about that a bit before calling names and flying off the handle.
To answer your question,No,I wouldnt mind.And neither would she to be frank.By the time she ..or I would be " dug up and built on" we will both be long gone onto better things and our bodies wont be naught but dust and bone.
I will ask you this..Do you think or feel concern about a person or animal who you pump into your or you mom's car everytime you go to the mall?
No,I really dont think you do.

car has nothing to do with being buried

and animals dig up bones


I never called you anything and flying off handle to funny

didnt do that neither

why is it some can post there thoughts when others do its a argument

Hmm.. if you say so.You seem pretty razzeled to me.

If the spirit has nothing to do with it,then why is it so important ? Because its a body? that has pretty much decomposed? And that no one knows? Isnt it the spirit the most important part of this equasion?You claim you see them2..what do you see ? Their bodies? Or their spirits.

Whats to say that some tribe a long time ago didnt have their loved ones dump them into tar pits as their ritual.And what about those who might have fallen into them,poor buggars.Same thing Nyteshade.Your car runs on fossil fuels.As I said,think about it a bit.You're going on about how we ALL HAVE A DIFFERENT perspective,yet you call me an animal when I post mine.
Good one.

I never called you an animal

I said we arent animals

we both have differant views and again I said twice i see both sides of this

I wasnt calling you an animal my bad I didnt question mark it

i met are we all animals and i dont attack no one we all have our way of thinking so sorry if misunderstood me

Not to worry Nyteshade,and thank you.Nothing wrong with being passionate about something you believe in...
I think logically though,it would seemthat it would be extremely tough to impose laws that would one,last for decades ,if not centuries.And two,when some do not believe that it is wrong to build on old burial grounds.

I think the issue is iffy.

If we set aside every single burial ground or places that are or were considered "sacred" we wouldn't probably be as developed as we are today. Some things just need to be let go.

On the other hand, some people want to have that to remember their heritage and roots. Also, even more recent burial grounds definately need to be left alone.

And, if you believe in such things, the spirits of the dead might be displeased at any disturbance. (if you believe in such things)

I've lived on a burial ground before, and I believe in such things ;)

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