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Everything going forward with science. So let me ask you a question here.

Is it possible to freeze down a living human and later defrost him living?

At the first thought on this subject i feel thats not possible. But i still asking myself if it really is possible after all. One of the biggest problems might be how to not kill the bloodcells. What are your thoughts on this subject?

In order to preserve something like that, every cell would have to be frozen instantly at the same time. Most cells die when frozen, though, and the brain has to be able to work somewhat for us to be alive. That's why we don't die when we sleep, because the brain stays awake to keep our lungs, heart, and everything else moving. It has to stay occupied somehow.
If you flash freeze it, it will still die. The brain can't withstand extreme colds just like it can't withstand extreme heats....
Maybe time will prove me wrong but I don't think it can be done. Not in our lifetime or the next few anyway. No time soon.

A test with a mouse, and then a dog have been conducted.

Neuro tissues could not be restored in both cases, so while a subject can be thawed out, and medical science is advancing in revibing extreme exposure cases there is a "point of no return".

MyArmyLife and Dabbler's posts have fairly shut down any further queries here, in my opinion, as I agree with them both. Would be interested to see how someone else might reply though. Hmmm.

A big part would play in how long the person would be frozen, and just how cold it would be...

well what i have been told when i was in biology in college that the cells crystalize which in effect destroys them and their walls so am not sure there would ever be a way to freeze someone and bring them back because of this basic biology of the body and blood and i couldnt see any type of coolant that wouldnt kill us also but who knows they say if man dreams it we can accomplish it prime example is the govt's new ray gun is quite a sight to see it working is big at the moment but im sure they will figure out how to make it smaller lol

Okay, this subject isn't simple, but it DOES have a solution...it goes like this...

Step 1: you inject the human subject with a cocktail of enzymes and other protein-based nutrients that would keep the water and liquids in the body in their liquid state but still allow the body to freeze...

Step 2: you then hook them up to a monitor so you can keep track of any change in their bodies...

Step 3: you place them into an air tight capsule with an environmental recycler system, that way everything inside stays as it's suppose to...

Step 4: then you lower to temperature of the capsule to freeze the body and keep the air inside cold and preferably below freezing, this will keep them in a state of suspended animation...

Step 5: (and this part is tricky) the reawakening procedure - this requires some very steady personel, at this point you first start by raising the temperature by 5 to 10 degrees every few minutes, this gives the body to readapt and defrost slowly, meanwhile all the fluids INSIDE the body will remain in their liquid state because of Step 1, after you've returned the body to a room temperature, you finish by injecting a small dose of adrenaline into their body, this will jump start their organs, also, you will need an oxygen mask and LOTS of warm blankets when you open the capsule...

Well, that's how you freeze a human...

Wow, if it were that simple then I am sure the government would have procedures in proxy to those.

But, this is the the Syfy channel. Who will be the first human "victim" in this science project, do we have any volunteers?

aint they trying this already, freezing ppl give it they are dead. If we can do it when they have died I guess it wont be long before someone goes that next step

mankind will have to look into this we tend to try anything and everything in the name of science

Very interesting replyes here. I founded this after some research.

In cryopreservation, a body is put in a glycerin-based solution, cooled with dry ice, then held in a pool of liquid nitrogen until the body temperature reaches minus-320 degrees Fahrenheit (at which temperature all cell movement is stopped).

The idea is that people with incurable diseases could be frozen today, then rewarmed decades later when medicine has advanced and a cure is available.

Currently, only certain cells and tissues, such as sperm and embryos, can be frozen and successfully rewarmed. One of the biggest hurdles facing the technology is how to stop the formation of ice crystals, which damage cells.

Source: http://www.sixwise.com/newsletters/06/10/05/is-cryopreservation-actually-possible.htm

Fawn,

A sci-fi frontier. I am looking for an article I read about trauma procedure for victims of prolonged exposure.

When the froze the dog, and mouse they used a glycerine solution as well.

Suspended animation is a sci-fi topic that I am admitedly obessed with, ever since I read an article in Omni, the same writer wrote one on Cryogenics, and he laid out his predictions on break throughs in Exposer recuperation.

My question is why wouls someone feel the need to do this, espicially when great minds could be put to more meaningful tasks?

vampchica4

Well 1 thought for example could be the ability to get a life cured from an diasese that have no medicine today. If someone is ill and without chances to live could be freezed down and then defrosted when there is a cure for it, and on that way get a good life. Just speculations ofcourse but in some ways that can sound logic.

But at same time so can i wonder how it would be to be frozen. Maybe it just is a time of pure pain?

The whole cryogenics gig has been debunked, or more accuratly outed' as for the cash cow it was.

It is a much over priced memorial, at par with no other funeral.

Two of the major players got so feed up with the boom biznesses, they
they sank the whole gig.

Exposing the pitch, from sustainable reality.

I know.. I know.. there will be a few " But who knows what the far, far, far, far, future holds?"

Wishful thinking, here's the rub, how finit' is the building, business, of the cryogenist?

Now to simple have ones DNA werehoused could well contribute to potential benifits medically for your generations to come.

along with the much contravertial stem cell research.. there is your near for seeable future break through, as it is the remarkable progress they made in
Trauma recover procedure simple fails to impress people with sensational expectation, that are often based on unpractical ideals.

Impressive to me? A new copyier that makes accurate replacement tissue for burn victims.. medical science progress!

Yes.. far, far, far far etc futurist can" possible" as much as anyone, and that is the concept behind sci-fi.

Which reminds me, I gotta peek into my Sci-fi section groups.

Summary, a more precise question, is it practical to freeze a recently deceased person, for potential revitalization?

Is it probable that a a person frozen prior to completely extstiguasion be cryogenicly froze, then later revitalized.. ?

News.Scotsman.com " frozen solid" air crash.

Tragic..

the why is simple...someone is 30 and has a terminal disease. they want to live out their life, or they want to even live indefinitely. after all, not everyone is an immortal lol.
so they take a shot at possible immortality of a sort...as a corpsecicle. i dont blame someone for making an effort to survive. and while the dna and such holds a sort of immortality, it would be your tissue that survived...not "YOU".
the question was is it possible to freeze down a living human.
it is possible to lower the core body temp a great deal, slowing body reactions and such. this is a proceedure that doctors are currently exploring.
freezing a living human tho...nope...not and have them remain living.
~W~

There is a beetle or cricket type insect that lives in and around article glaciers that manufactures a glycerin type substance, that allows it to avoid freezing solid..

I am googling records for extreme cases of hypothermic recovery, and iced lake/ river victim resucitation, phenomenal progress by medical science!

I don't know.......Let's say your frozen and leave orders not to be thawed until they find a cure for your ailment. Let's say they don't find a cure for 200 yrs........they revive you and fix you........but all you have ever know has changed......all your friends and family are dead.........hmmmmm

You realize that nano bots are already being used in humans to enhance certian aspects to their strengths and reaction times. Has anyone thought what that can mean to what you are talking about.

Plus have you thought, there is a lot that is not released on progression. A lot of it would be stopped by religions. A very few know what has and hasn't been found out.

Nano bots aren't even fully known to the public.

The human body can be brought to a very low temperature; in which the metabolisms slow almost to the point of hibernation. The heart slows, and the need for oxygen to keep our cells alive becomes very limited. This type of research is now being used in a few hospitals around the US, for heart attack victims. Basically they have found if the body can be cooled very rapidly within the first hour after a heart attack very little to no tissue damage will occur to namely the heart, while surgery takes place. The problem is just that though; this is a much cooler temperature, not nearly to the extreme of actually freezing the cells. When water freezes it expands, and our bodies are made up of water. To see what happens to a cell when it is frozen, just fill a plastic bag full of water and place it in the freezer. The outer plastic will tear if there is no room for expansion. The same ideal takes place in the body, the cells and tissue would be destroyed thus killing the body itself. So the body can be taken almost to the point of freezing and brought back, but to completely freeze it would destroy it. And even when the body is cooled it still functions, just much slower and would need oxygen and nutrients in minute amounts to survive. In addition this topic could easily run into some religious ideals as well

Spot on Utah

In the cases of semi sucessful revitalization the subject ( mice) had to be depleted of water ( to avoid crystalization), so the process is not just thawing the subject out, it is rehydrating as well.

As for the post about Nano Technology, I would welcome links on that.

You won't find links on it. Well there are some from a few years ago but its really only about what they could do at the time, not what was done. Though I believe that it could have a hugh impact on the topic of cryogenics.

Though scientists have discovered that some varieties of frogs and turtles can actually survive being frozen. When these animals sense ice on the outsides of their bodies, their livers produce extra glucose (blood sugar), which floods into their cells to protect the cell from freezing and from damage. This also holds the cell's shape so it doesn't collapse upon itself. Nucleating proteins "guide" water out of the cells, allowing the water to go in between the cells and the organs. This allows the water to freeze, but in small pieces, without "spears" that could puncture the cell membrane.

They have also successfully frozen a single cell, as well as a organ.

Even those in the later stages of hypothermia still have some core temperature keeping the heart warm enough to beat.
The most extreme case was that of a woman who was considered dead but her heart had, in fact, slowed down so as to beat only once a minute.
It's JUST enough to keep someone alive.
You can't just freeze someone. They'd have already figured it out if you could.

Futurama for the win.

Perhaps if a person were encased in something rather than ice that would preserve them just as well?
Or perhaps now with stem cell research or nanotech, or a combination of both, we could rebuild neural cells?
There're actually tests being conducted with nanobots living in a person for medical purposes, and right now is number one in the fear scale when it comes to a zombie apocalypse.... imagine a body that has died that has nanobots inside of it that have yet to discontinue functioning, and after the person died, if the problem was fixed and they were brought back, if the soul would follow. Perhaps they'd react purely on instinct... and eat people.

this question sounds like a question out of futurama or something.... freezing people...

personally, I don't think a human would live...
nothing has ever been frozen and thawed out and lived thus far, and I think it science fiction to think it can be...

once the brain stops functioning there is no way to revive it...
Once the brain is dead... technically the persona is dead... they are then "living" off of machines... pretty much like a person on bypass

Theres actually a animal that can be frozen and the scientists are studying their dna to see if ours can be altered so that we could be frozen as well.

Re: ~Brahadair~

"Theres actually a animal that can be frozen and the scientists are studying their dna to see if ours can be altered so that we could be frozen as well."

If DNA can be altered, then forget about cryogenics. I am sure the military will have other uses for the altered DNA such as "advanced humanoids". Just think about it, the government altering human dna to create the ultimate weapons of destruction, here come X-Men reality, or even better for the "darker" genre: *cough* vampires *cough*. Sorry, had to throw that one out there.

But seriously, why alter the DNA, why not just come up with a chemical reaction via fluids fed intraveniously into the body? Seems easier then altering the DNA.

Medical science has advanced phenomonally revitaluzing Extreme Exposure cases, as My Army Stated.

When the issue becomes sci-fi is when people think that a deceased person
frozen can be revived.

Re: vvSoulshroudevv

You make a very good point, but I have already mentioned that in a way. The whole point of the nano bots are that. Which is why I was figuring with the help of nano bots it could be done.

They are using nano bots in people to fix nerves and cell damage. So if you think about that then why not have them in a human body working to keep it alive when its frozen and being thawed. They already have them used while the person is unfrozen. Plus the whole reason why turtles and frogs don't die is because minutes after ice starts to form in the skin, the liver begins converting sugars, stored as glycogen, into glucose. This sugar is released from the liver and carried through the bloodstream to every tissue where it helps keep cells from completely dehydrating and shrinking. The only problem is the heart stops and so doesn't the organs.

I am pulling all of my sci-fi tricks out of the bag here. So lets say we could preserve the brain in a different manner than the body, and reunite it with the body once it is thawed. Would that make any difference to the chance of reanimating the human? Perhaps each organ system would need a different process of preservation. We would have to work on a way to replace all that has been removed. Of course, we know from the movies, that leaves us open to organ theft and blackmarket sales... Oh, and Thunderdome...

I was actually thinking that because the organs and heart would shut down from being frozen that maybe with the nano bots help they could keep it from happening. It'd be their one and only job seeing as the blood sugar would take care of the cells. But I got my information from some scientist I have been studying with.

I'm pretty sure you can seeing as many cavemen where presserved that way. Bringing them back is a different story though.

yanno whats sad is this is all fine and dandy ok so they get it figured out but ya know what???? it's only going to be affordable to the elitist of the world only the rich will be able to afford such a technology so the average joe who wants to be saved by freezing will just have to die for lack of funds because its always about the benjamins when it comes to medical research and programs....... I just dont see medicaid or medicare paying for it or your health care insurance either why you ask because of the almighty dollar they wont be making anything they will be losing it so i dont really see the benifit to mankind for this kind of research but thats just my opinion and im not hating or bashing here it is a cool concept and dream and who knows maybe they will get it down we can only hope that it will end up helping humanity

Due to a major frostbite, if a human is frozen, within hours, the whole body will be ice. Well, when you try to bring it back, the whole body will discompose to the extreme of dead flesh. my2cents.

markus is absolutely right.
the human cell starts to decompose at 94 degrees post mortum, without oxygen and blood it is impossible for cells to remain vitable.
Same aspect as gas gangrene, lack of O2 and blood.

Animals and Insects that hybernate have genetics that are made for such, humans don't.
The only way would be cold effusion instead of Cryogenics with life support, and it would be grossly costly and impracticle.

Single cell freeze is done, but whole bodies are another factor.

Well stated Roma, Thankfully though medical science is well advanced in revitalizing extreme exposure cases.

I am still searching for an article I read a few mo the ago, the most current record for lapsed time under extreme cold water. A few cases before that a Navy doctor ( employees in a civilian hospital) chanced into a break through technique for stablizibg a " defrosting" person.

Right now I don't believe its medically possible as stated already in this forum. However given more time I am sure scientists will work it all out and we will all be immortal like vampires lmao.

Actually, though the process is rare, it has been done before in hospitals around the nation.

A person who is dying that needs time for a diagnostician to figure out what's wrong with them, for example, would be put onto bypass. There heart would be stopped and their lungs filled with ice and the body cooled down. This gives the diagnostician time to figure out what is wrong with the person. It is possible and it is a standard procedure. Rare, but standard.

If we put different systems in to preserve different organs, why not just take the person apart entirely?
Put the brain in this jar with the system keeping it stable, the spleen in a different one, and so forth.
"Who's in this jar?"
"These jars are all the same person"
XD

i think it was the cthulu cults that actually kept a person and their organs alive while they were seperated.

and it was me that talked about nanobots....

LMAO Cabrion!! Thank goodness someone has a sense of humor haha! My Aunt Donna works in a lab and she's seen the craziest stuff in jars. The best I've heard about was a testicle and half of a penis haha!

Nanotech is a sci-fi idea, hypathetical at best, engineers have a few significant hurdles before they can even begin to consider constructing any nanobots.

So I decited to put this theory to the test....I ate a 5lb bag of sugar, and filled my bath tub with dry ice. The problem is I woke up on the floor due to a glycerin comma. Dang sugar. Ok Ok I'm kidding, but one aspect that really hasn't been touched too much is the ideal of a spirit residing in the body. I'm not sure if people would really allow this type of procedure to be fully explored, due to having the same fears that arose with clonning. Its a big concept and I just don't beileve humans as we are will ever fully be able to grasp and accept such a concept, thus slowing science that could potentailly save lives down or even stopping in its tracks.

Very very good UTAHVAMP someone finally caught on to why some things are not posted or advertised. Even if it would be a very big thing on the news. No one knows everything and sometimes it for your own good.

And thats funny because they are already using Nano bots!!!!!!!!

I would consider posting a thread on the topic of nanobots, as it fits the sci-fi Section criteria.

The matter can be examined there.

Heres a little news twist, a frozen embryo was entered in a newspaper to be given away to a caring couple that wanted children.
A couple with five adopted children applied and recieved. The mother was successful and carried a beatiful set of twins, NOW the enbryo donors want the babies she (reciever) gave life to and birthed!
This is why freezing humans in any form is Immorral and impractical.
What's next, I want my kidney back?
CNN news.

i don't think this would be possible as i'm in agreement with dabber, how ever, i do find it amusing as to what would be the last thing that runs through their mind.. "GOD its cold in here!" lol

Yes! This is possible!