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from a realist point of view what do you believe mortal death to be and what are your thoughts on the many different paths that lead to mortal death

this journey from birth to mortal death what do you believe it has instore for you

and from a faithful spiritual point of view same questions

I am dealing with this right now. I will leave out details due to this situation deals with my personal life.

Right now I am fighting with a single question. If you are very similar to a blood relative, how afraid should I be about the way I am going to die, or when I will die.

I am sure that many here have lost family members. Maybe it was their time. Or for others, it was cut to short. Did it ever seem to anyone else like they were looking into the future at their own death?

thats a genuine fear and quite natural,i can remember when i had close relatives enter into death that i did worry because seeing them die made death just that much more closer,it became a more of a reality if you will.

though some die young and some die old the thing that will never change is that we will all die someday and we don't know when that is or how it will be

i just hope when the time comes for me to enter my mortal death that if it is possible i will look back and will feel some kind of an acomplishment of my physical life

I see death, almost every week. And for many, is something that they never expected. After the mind cease to exist, then, death take over the rest. Death is just the name of the road that will take you into a different plane. Why be so attached to the things of this life, when you always know, that you belongs in another.

what is mortal death? when the self sustaining chemical reaction that is life is no longer sustainable.

or to be a bit less clinical, when the brain finally dies.

spiritually, i think we as spirits do continue, and i dont believe this simply due to my faith.


what does my path mean, from birth to death?
not sure it has a meaning as such.
i do know that as for the end, i dont fear death. it will happen someday...id prefer it to be a long long time down the road (500 years or so), but if i must face death tomorrow, while i will have many regrets regarding family and deeds left undone, i still would not face it in fear.
rather i think i will just face it with resignation.
~W~

I don't believe death to be anything. There are no experienced people out there that can tell us the reality of it. I understand it as the ultimate unknown for anyone this side of the dirt.

RElatives are a genetic link and an example (good and bad) as to what can contribute to a healthy, long life.

I wouldn't want to have longevity if I couldn't maintain my present lifestyle to some extent. What does that mean? I'm still learning on a mental, emotional and physical level.

I'm interested in many things, have lots of intellectual pursuits, and I'm physically and sexually active.

If I had a near relative who had died young, I'd be wary, but I'd also be informed.

I try to live each day savoring each day. That doesn't mean I'm living to the max in the pop culture way. Some days it seems like I accomplish very little. But I love breathing in and out, man. I love walking, feeling my body. Laughing makes a day. Looking at the natural world. Making some money.

I let myself get a thrill out of any old thing. Why not, I'm here, can't dance. Except when I can, and then I do.

religion plays a HUGE role in this question... I would like to believe that we are reincarnated depending on how we live our lives. So in a way we never really die, we start over... but I an understad how people could believe in an afterlife as well, but I'd think it's crowded by now lol
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How would it be crowded when we leave our bodies here?

this subject intigues me greatly as i worry about it alot ! i have health issues which if u wish to know more go to my profile/journal etc

but basicly as i am unable to live the life i wish for and was brought up by society to beleive was what you do ie one where you go to school then college mayb uni then get job etc !

i have had jobs been to college but all to no avail as i am unable to work due to my health issues so am on benefits/welfare system which does not lead to felling good about your life !

i cannot at present follow this supposed right path, so i feel partly that i am a waste or dissapointment and a drain on society

so when i contemplate my death it brings up will i move on reincarnated in a more productive healthy life ?

or do i get to the crossover between heaven and hell to be judged (scary thought indeed)

i think this is my reasoning for leaning toward the vampiric community as part of me wishes to be strong and healthy and able to live as long and productive a life as possible plenty time to make mistakes and to learn from them without me being 50 and to late to change things !

i want to beleive in a future after death as my prent isnt what i had hoped for x

A productive life is subjective I guess.

TomFoolery.... i'm not talking about bodies.... i mean an afterlife... you don't need physical mass for something to become congested. much like how someone becomes mentally or emotionally overwhelmed... it's very possible

that was an amazing video btw... thanks for the post

At some point in time everyone dies. Everyone passes from this realm into another. When the body dies the soul dies as well and leaves this earth. some of it may be reincarntated into other things on earth while the other part moves on. Some get trapped some do not.

as was said...it all comes down to this:
everyone does die in time. even if "immortal vampires" exist, all things will in time die.
after death either our spirit goes on, or it doesnt.

if it does, then its the beginning of an adventure
if it does not, then like the deepest of sleep, we wont be aware of it anyway.

i have to admit i believe it does continue, but it all comes down to each persons own beliefs, and no logic, reason, or evidence can really change that.
~W~

"A Journey.."

From the..

Waters
Of
My
Beginning

To the..

Ground where my
Remains lie
An empty abandoned
Vessel rotting under
Earth

now just on a side note,i always found it interesting when some people through a tramatic experience have a death experience for a short moment then come back,i always wondered what it would be like to taste death briefly and come back to live life

i think that would be both a blessing and a cursing.

If you can, arrange to visit a centrifuge. Have them jam it out to 8 Gs, and you will have your own personal "NDE".

I had mine when my heart crashed, It suited my personal 'software', and it was very vivid. So I am personally convinced that what a person dying 'sees' is varied person to person.

Spirit to me is a matter of how you interacted with others, an how they 'absorb' you. So I would say personally the spirit is non corporeal..

great video by the way it puts everything into perspective. we spend so long wondering about death, the afterlife and whats to come that perhaps we forget how to live.

if there is nothing when i die, then i will not know.

if there is an afterlife, then i will hope to live it as best as i can.

in this life, i am happy simply because i am alive and life is beautiful even the sad, bad, or crazy bits :)

Death is a universal experience. No one can hope to escape. It is only a matter of time till it comes to each one of us and each one of those we love. Yet, death is called the King of Terrors.

Video has an impact. "I'm working with just my brain here and this little flipper, and look what you got, all your parts and a bad attitude."

He's focusing on what he has, not what he doesn't have.

Don't forget he has a host of helpers. How many?

What if you have all your parts, but no helpers? What if you're surrounded by people who want you to fail?

He's the antithesis of faith in the hereafter, which is f believing that you must endure endless shite on earth because it will all be better in some magical HEREAFTER.

I wouldn't want to live that way though because the HEREAFTER offers nothing in terms of making a better life in the present. That's what the flipper guy is talking about.

my view is that we may go thru shite...or not.
we may have earned the shite...
or not

its a bit random but there are key points we have to learn from.

death can be restful or something more.
just depends on the person i guess
~W~

i think sometimes it is difficult as to what is to come with death since there are so many views on it some say its peaceful some say it's scary etc etc etc but for me death is just a drastic journey for the body to go thru

i just hope i am not let down to what death will be for me,i really hope it is all that "people" say it is.

i strongly do suspect that all the belief systems are wrong...
i think it will be something different than any religion has written of, as people try and describe things in terms that they think of as familiar.
~W~

Having been on the battlefield over most of my former career, I witnessed more death than average. It always gets you thinking on what paths could have and should have taken to avoid them. But then they always say that hindsight is 20/20! lol

its the sort of thing that does get your attention indeed.
~W~

LW posts:

"i strongly do suspect that all the belief systems are wrong...
i think it will be something different than any religion has written of, as people try and describe things in terms that they think of as familiar.
~W~"


I wouldn't say wrong, I see people taking belief/faith out of context. Though I am a Non-Ist I can see how some are hard wired to need faith, or belief, I continue to be annoyed by the audacity of those who impose their ideal-isms on others.

Cluttering ones mind with "soft ware" certainly interferes with a person in a dying moment.

well I think the reason people are scared of death is because it is so final and so uncertain.
you can never say with 100% certainty that your view of what happens after death is correct because it is impossible to prove beyond a shadow of doubt.

To be honest, I have no answer that will be of any use or help to anyone here or anywhere for that matter. Death is a subject which we as a whole only seem to grasp the surface. There is so much more besides the scientific aspects of how and why we die but we don't have the knowledge to elevate to that level of consciousness to explore and explicate it further.

When I think of death, I don't think of where I am going or if I will see my deceased loved ones again. I just think of how I will die. Will I get shot in the head, die in my sleep, heart attack, stroke, cancer, drown, suffocate? I think of things that I know can happen. I do not know where I will go when I die, besides in the ground. The thought of my shell, my capsule, finally dying brings me to no conclusions and draws a complete blank etched in black.

Death is beyond us. People with NDE's are not dead. All the stories we hear of people seeing white lighted tunnels and their dead relatives before journeying back through the tunnel to the living, might be receptive memories brought to surface out of fear from the current circumstances. The want and need to feel and see family again, the memories of past experiences as tragic as they may be, rise to the occasion, if you will, when one is suffering and the thoughts all form together and intertwine making a NDE look like one had actually been to the other side for a brief period, when in reality, it was our body and soul wanting to let go and reach out to nothing more than the memories we had saved over the years.

About 10 years ago, my history professor had made this comment: "If God created the stars, the sky, the planets, the trees, the universe, the mountains, the oceans, etc. then he is infinite. And man's mind is too finite to comprehend infinity, therefore one cannot truly know God."

I believe the same about death. How we got here is a mystery and where we go is also a mystery.

Just my two cents.

There you go worrying about death again.
A passage in a book gave the perfect counter argument;
Persued by a horrible beast his heart was in his throat, total fear and sweat as he fled in the dark, hours nay days of torment.
Panick stricken he was finally caught by a tree, the beast ripped into his flesh.He was lifted from his feet gripped in its jaws in total agony.He wished it could all be over...and then it was.
Perhaps then death can be a sweet release? in the grand scheme of things. So be not quick to judge that end which so many seek out, toy with or deserve.

I found this article fascinating. It speaks directly to differing ideas re not only death, but immortality, and how these differing concepts can affect a relationship in the here and now:

Until Death do Us Part

The article is dense, but gets meatier as you read.

I don't think there is anything after you die. I think hell is life itself. I've heard it all before too, so spare yourself. "It doesn't have to be", "life is what you make it", bla bla bla. Some people talk about karma... I don't really believe in karma anymore either. I've done so many good things for so many people yet my truck has been sitting in the shop for 3 damn months because I can't afford to get it out of there and literally no one will help us get it out. When my friend had her baby, she was down and out and didn't have a car seat to take her child home. I didn't want DSS to take her daughter away from her because she didn't have a car seat to use! So not only did I buy her a car seat, but I spent over 300 dollars in clothes, bottles, paci's, shoes, socks, diapers, whipes and toys for that baby. And that is only one of the many, many times that I've gone out of my way or above and beyond the norm of what helping out a friend is. I get nothing in return. No one has ever helped me with squat. I mean, my husband and I are LITERALLY NEVER going to see our truck AGAIN because we can't afford 300 measly dollars to get it out! So yeah,... once again... there is NO SUcH THING as karma. Dying is easy... LIFE is hard!

And because of all this, I believe there is NOTHING after we die. No heaven, (maybe a hell), but there is definitely no heaven in my opinion.

I don't think any of us really have the right to say what is or what isn't out there because we don't know. Some people talk about their near-death experiences and how they saw this and that.. but how can you SEE anything if you're just a spirit?? You can't! I had two experiences wehre I actually died. I saw nothing. It was pitch black. I mean, there was literall nothin. For about 30 seconds, my life was totally blacked out. So no, I don't think there's anything great in our after life. Not today anyway.

Hey Sexy, I am going to have to agree with you on this. Great post by the way.

And that sucks about your truck. I feel you I really do. I am always helping out people and I get jack shit in return.

I think you are troubled and need a reading www.scarlettetarot.com. You can thank me later, well maybe.

sexy, i do disagree....but on this subject, how can anyone be sure?
ill just say that i do disagree, and if im right in the afterlife you owe you a drink.

but if it turns out your right...
then i can buy you the drink.
~W~

Death one of the most feared experances because we know nothing about it. Personaly I like to think we get all the awnsers when we die. It only seems resonable to me that since we are born with a natural curiosity that in the end it would be satisfied.
Of cousre I have no way of knowing but I believe it to be true and that along with a healthy perception that life goes on no matter what happends it helps me deal with the few but tramatic deaths I've had to deal with.