Having argued long and hard that all sorts of strange things really do exist I am glad to report the authorities are now coming out of the closet.They are to admit ALIENS Exist.
Click Here
Indeed the United Nations are now to appoint a new ambassador as FIRST Contact to be announced shortly.
The press conference is on Monday.
Perhaps they will reconsider the existence of "other-kin?"
Please Discuss
Fascinating topic, AlieNation!
First off... let's direct people to the actual news article you referenced... which is found HERE
Secondly, no one is stating that Aliens (extra-terrestrials) actuall DO exist. The article's very first question places this in proper perspective"
If aliens ever land on Earth there will no longer be any confusion over who will greet them with the news the United Nations is set to appoint an astrophysicist to be their first human contact.
Key word being ... "IF"!
Still, an amazing precedent, to be sure! I applaud the far-sightedness behind this truly remarkable development!
- Upir'
hehehe Aliens? I have to say, Im not a believer, at least not from the article or the alleged 'eyewitness' testimonies.
If the sightings were of something I had never seen before or ever imagined, then maybe, just maybe I would wonder if they existed, instead, the craft looks like the stereotypical image we all have, and several officers do make concrete evidence as far as I am concerned.
Please feel free to pull my post apart, I would love to stand corrected on this hehe
sorry, a correction to my post:
"several officers do NOT make concrete evidence"
To believe in a God is to believe in something Alien in itself. Majority of the world believe that there had to be some sort of outside influence that set us all on a path that we are on today. Our ancient cultures, doesn't matter which you choose, discuss entities or beings that are not from our worldly plane, so why would this change in our own time? People witness and see things all the time that they have no explanation for, and people believe in these things based on some sort of event that has occurred in which either can or cannot be proven. There is way too much evidence in our ancient cultures stories that plainly say, we came from a higher being. Are we to deny all of civilizations stories or the spoken word passed on through the generations? Maybe they do have proof of something, maybe someone out there can vouche for the things we have been seeking answers to for many years ;)
If you analyze the Anatomical structure of the human body and how those part get united and them, they created the so called Human. So, why not go a little far and believe for a moment that alien or creatures from a far planet or moon or star exist. But, what is really the purpose of this article? politic, religion, or who know what is the hiding agenda within the U.N..
If they DO exist , they are the best kept secret on the planet. The one thing our world governments have not managed to muck up in some way yet.
IF...there are aliens out there (which I believe not), I hope they are like the Twilight Zone's version.
You know, the ones with the cook book,
"How To 'Serve' Man."
Greetings Pagan, well you did ask me to. Firstly, one must look carefully to see, have you looked?
For instance, do governments keep secrets, of yes.
The best documentary I have seen was on the RAF at Bentwaters suffolk, Panorama investigated.
The facts
1.The Base General did believe his men, he is now speaking out.
2.They were buzzed successive nights with a dozen credible witnesses.Strange radioactive readings were taken.
3.They tracked a craft from Heathrow that was accelerating beyond human technology
4.A black Ops plane did land the next day.
5.The records of the black Ops plane were erased.
6.The forest was bulldozed.
6.All witnesses were retired or moved.
Now it seems a program of misinformation was initiated costing a huge amount of money.If this were the only credible incident then one might question it but it now seems incidents from Roswell onwards have been carefully managed.
Rightly so, back then people were not ready, I believe they are now. Some societies are going to have to do alot of growing up rather quickly, Tilts at "I'm a Dinerjacket".
Considering how very small we are in comparison to a universe vaster than our imaginations can alter time and the known physical dimensions we live in...or for those of us who survive in their own matrix...I believe it short-sighted to ever assume that life elsewhere does not exist. Life does not necessarily mean an entity taking on the form of E.T. but also includes so many others that do not fall within our visible spectrum of light.
Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Microcosyms abound wherever you turn, even within your own bodies. For instance, in working with eyeballs for abotu 15 years now...it is a fact that the lens of the eye, which helps focus light into the eye for sensation of sight, can turn opaque and thus be termed a cataract.
The lens/cataract itself resides within its own little universe, an envelope of tissue called the capsule. This capsule serves two purposes...1. It holds the lens in place and 2. it seals the lens material inside to prevent the human body's own immunity system from attacking the lens as a foreign body. The body...simply does not know the lens is there...and thus completely blind to its own nature.
Like a chocolate M & M inside its candy shell, universes...life itself...and so many adherent aspects of it are hidden away from our sight. When one considers the very limited amount of the light spectrum that we actually "see"...one would realize just how much is truly unknown to us through our physical senses....much less knowing whether or not to trust our eyes or photoshop.
Are we the only ones here in existence?..I truly think not....for the possibilities of life in all shapes, forms, sizes, and dimensions are evident even within our own flesh and this planet. The fact that the government is appointing a 1st contact person for a possible stellar event as coming in contact with other life forms only confirms the news they do not report in their science journals that are not readily released to the public with all the hooplah that the original Rocket and Space Shuttle program did in its day. It's not so much about Area 51's history that concerns me as much as the current scientific studies being funded by the government now since 9-11 allowed them to mask where the money trail goes with department fronts for national security.
Then again....as much as public opinin will vary on this topic and many others related to science and other studies unknown to mass awareness, it will most likely be passed over as only so much speculation, one side against the other, debating the facts all around.
Ok...this is just my humble opinion...
This is just another way to waste money that could go to better use.
Are there aliens out there? Maybe. I don't believe so and I'll tell you why...
Other than my personal religious beliefs...
Answer for me please, ANYONE...
Why would an advanced alien race travel millions and possibly billions of light years across space just to avoid making contact with people on a large scale?
If they are so advanced (as they would have to be) they would certainly be able to defend themselves against anything we could possibly do.
Also, when they do supposedly make contact with specific humans, why do they always pick the most unintelligent fools on this planet?
What, to probe their anus? Are you kidding me?
Think about this...If we (the human race) were able to travel the distance it would take to get to the closest star only to find a planet inhabited by other intelligent beings, would we dodge them at every chance to make contact?
I think not. Given all the time and effort to travel into space that it would absolutely take to get there, it would be completely stupid NOT to make contact.
Why not instead, just hop on a plane, travel to the other side of the Earth, find a house with people in it, knock on the door and when they come to answer it, run and hide in the bushes.
Why would they travel so far and still act distantly?...Same reason we do..."scientific observation of a species in their natural habitat." Seriously, the import of aliens aka "E.T." is not so much the debate scientifically as is the search for "other life."
As for alien abductions that all relate the infamous colonoscopy, yes, that is a bit far-fetched...however, the archeological record and ancient picture texts of various cultures around the world depict the "gods from the sky"....and often have related texts of having their civilizations kick-started by these other-worldly beings.
As for religion, many doctrines discount the objectivity of there being alien or other-wordly "intelligent life" aside from our own, but in regards to what is evident in our own planet, I find that highly arrogant since humanity is not the only species on this planet to possess high intelligence. As I recall, the Catholic church, the leading representative of Westernized Judeo-Christian religion, has already expressed the pivotal position that "it is not considerd a sin for their followers to believe in alien life forms." This precedent is outstanding in its own right simply for the long-time position of Christian authorities against sciences pertaining to universal or quantum theories..."as what belongs to God, belongs to God and is therefore forbidden and we should know our place."
Think that's hogwash? What are angels/daemons if not ancient accounts of other-wordly benefactors to human civilizations of the past? Check this out, "official" religious standings on the topic for yourself:
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/believing_in_aliens_not_opposed_to_christianity_vaticans_top_astronomer_says/
http://www.ummah.com/islam/taqwapalace/science/aliens.htm
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/160985/jewish/What-does-Judaism-say-about-the-Discovery-of-Aliens.htm
Then you have the real nut jobs out there as you find in any case of debated topic...ones with real religious zeal that begs to question the patterns of their individual observations much less their interpetation of intelligent facts vs creative ones.
http://www.jesusbelievesinevolution.com/aliens_occult_witchcraft_freemasonry.htm
Archeological and Ancient Record:
http://www.history.com/shows/ancient-aliens
The Official Science:
http://search.nasa.gov/search/search.jsp?nasaInclude=life+on+other+planets
I would say that whether or not you want to believe in alien life or extra-terrestrial colonoscopies or space-lasered, butchered cattle and sheep in the fields, crop circles or any other unidentified objects in the sky...the fact remains that life other than our own existing internally or externally from this planet is not only plausible but already being discovered.
Ok well, I'm not catholic so that point was wasted on me.
No, I don't believe your thoughts on angels and demons either.
We HAVE to stay distant from intelligent alien beings because, WE HAVEN'T FOUND ANY YET.
And no, I don't believe every last little thing that comes out of a scientist's mouth. Nor do I believe something just because I read it on the net, in a news paper or saw it on television.
I'm not saying there is absolutely no possibility that there could be intelligent life out there. I'm just saying the evidence presented doesn't prove a thing to me.
Ancient civilizations (on intelligent alien beings) prove nothing to me as well.
God, an alien? Get real.
If you don't see where God is pretty much Alien in nature, maybe you need to get real. Let's look at the examples here.......Mary gets impregnated by something not of this world. Um you're saying that doesn't sound alien? It's ok if you don't see it or believe in the story, but by all means, at least open your mind a little to see exactly what these stories are saying. All these "angels from heaven that found women as beautiful and took them back up with them"......yeah sorry to burst yer bubble there, but that's alien in nature.
If you're looking at it from the Biblical sense, God is the creator of all things...exactly how can God be alien to His own creation?
"Why would an advanced alien race travel millions and possibly billions of light years across space just to avoid making contact with people on a large scale?
If they are so advanced (as they would have to be) they would certainly be able to defend themselves against anything we could possibly do.
Also, when they do supposedly make contact with specific humans, why do they always pick the most unintelligent fools on this planet?
What, to probe their anus? Are you kidding me?"
hehe Well said Lordzombie, I just wish Id said it first.
Alienation: I dont think that military/government cover-ups have anything to do with aliens, they are more likely to be to protect the failings (in some way) of military staff, or other human beings.
Again, a mere handful allege strange goings on, Im afraid that I need something more concrete than that to believe there are alien craft in our airspace, like LZ said, why would an advanced society travel across the universe simply to avoid contact.
Why also do aliens use craft of any sort, could they not be able to travel in ways incomprehensible to us? I think the reason for so many alleged sightings of recognisable forms of craft are simply because we are really seeing things from our own world.
When a little green man appears in front of me I will believe.
Why don't you ask the producers of the shows "Ancient Aliens"? If we are indeed God's creations, why would we have people asking these questions in the first place? Besides not everyone here believes in God therefore the stories would come off alien esp if we haven't seen such miracles or feats in our lifetimes, esp considering a person who actually READS the bible should notice what it's saying, along with other ancient cultures written stories. It all indicated something not of this world that interacted with humanity.
Just because we don't see these events happening in the now, doesn't mean that there wasn't some truth behind them.
Im not saying that there isnt some truth in ancient myths, after all, too many different cultures believe in gods, goddesses or angels, demons etc. for there not to be some truth in it. The thing is, if these things exist, they are of this world and not alien. Surely aliens come from other universes and not ours whether it is our spiritual universe or our physical one.
WOW! You know for a fact there are aliens from outer space? How about bringing one over for dinner so we can have a discussion.
Oh, you can't....gee I wonder why?
And you also know for a fact that I don't read the Bible on a DAILY basis....
WOW! you ARE gifted!
Look LordZombie....people don't need to be bashed here for their comments. I really don't think anybody needs the negativity that you're putting out here. Not everything is about what YOU think here, it's about what we ALL think about this topic. Lay off.
Hey, I apologize if anyone takes what I've said here personally but, lay off? You started the personal stuff. Maybe you should have messaged me privately before assuming things about me.
LZ,
You had it right with the "Cook Book" reference. Also, I read the article and no where does it mention we have contact. It's just a contingency plan.
That said, I personally don't believe there are extra-terrestrial beings planning a visit to our planet.
It's a biiig universe (and it's growing all the time).
"God, an alien? Get real" My only response to this is "God, a cell-phone? Get real".
If what we've seen from so-called alien encounters can be trusted, and they intend to kill us and steal our resources like a horror-movie antagonist.... there's nothing we can do by waiting for them to finish whatever they're working on (we'd already be conquered under said condition)
Right now, there's no reason to believe any alien life is more evolved than we are. For all we know on those other planets the article talked about exist only exotic bug species, possibly considerably less deadly than some of our own. Point - we wont know until we look, and until then, it's stupid to act like we know what to expect.
Cabrion I am disappointed"Right now there is no reason to believe they are any more advanced than us"?
Read the eye witnesses and look at the tracking evidence, they make us look like puny hairy monkeys who like fighting and rely on igniting petroleum to get air borne.
Unfortunately, yes thats us, well some of us!
There is some evidence they are using dimensions we cannot see or access.
As for the God topic, let us leave that one alone.Such friends(imaginary or not)have chosen to be off limits.
I noted with interest how the BBc CNN and other major media outlets would rather talk about Lindsay Lohan jacking up or some idiot who mistook a Deathcap for a majic mushroom.
Not that they got served with a hush document?
That aside, why do I keep hearing about some other-kin Aliens in L.A? Personally, I hope they like beer and loud music like Rob Zombies Devilman- Ooo thats a good idea!
If aliens are so intelligent and technically advanced, why do they behave in stupid manners, such as creating geometric shapes in crops? And why do aliens fly around at high speed, and then suddenly make 90° turns? Why don't their navigation computers ensure the spacecraft make smooth, gentle turns?
I found this article:
Do Astronomers Believe in Extraterrestrial Life?
by Phil Plait
Tens of thousands of UFO reports are documented each year, but that strange twinkling in the sky is often easily explained by a passing satellite or a neighboring planet. Nevertheless, astronomer Phil Plait says that doesn't mean we should stop wondering what's out there.
The scoop: Believing that intelligent extraterrestrial life -- better known as alien life -- exists is one thing.
Believing that they have visited Earth in our short time on the planet is another. Astronomer, author and blogger Phil Plait explains.
When I give public talks, I can almost guarantee that during the Q&A I'll get asked: Do I believe in aliens and UFOs?
My answer usually gets a laugh: "Yes, and no."
As far as aliens go, I suspect pretty strongly that there's life in space. We know of over 300 planets orbiting other stars, and we've only just started looking. In our Milky Way Galaxy alone there are probably literally billions of planets. Life on Earth got started pretty rapidly, relatively speaking, after the crust cooled and liquid water formed, so we know it's not tough for life to get its start... and it's entirely possible there is microbial life inside icy moons orbiting Jupiter and Saturn.
So thinking aliens exist has a pretty decent scientific basis. But them coming here is an entirely different beast.
There are tens of thousands of UFOs reported every year. That's one of the reasons a lot of people think aliens are visiting us: there's no way that there could be that many reports if some of them weren't real!
But that's bad reasoning. In fact, the vast majority of reported UFOs are mundane things in the sky. The planet Venus is incredibly bright; most people don't believe me when I point it out to them. They think it's a nearby airplane, or some other bright earthbound object.
Not only that, but if you're driving, it appears to follow you through the trees because it's so far away. If it's low to the horizon, turbulent air makes it flicker and change color. Does this sound familiar? How many UFO reports have you heard that say a huge object (people often mistake brightness for size) was following someone in their car, and it was rapidly changing color?
Yup. Venus.
Manmade satellites pass overhead several times an hour, and some brighten tremendously as a solar panel or mirrored surface catches the sun. Meteors blaze across the sky, ice crystals refract sunlight and moonlight, atmospheric effects make a distant object appear distorted and weirdly shaped. All of these have been mistaken for alien spacecraft.
So I know that most people misinterpret what they see. But there's something else too. If alien spaceships are really out there abducting us and playing chicken with our airplanes, then you'd expect that people who spend more time looking at the sky would see more of them. And who spends lots of time looking up?
Amateur astronomers. They are dedicated observers, out every night peering at the sky. If The Truth Is Out There, then amateur astronomers would be reporting far and away the vast majority of UFOs.
But they don't. Why not? Because they understand the sky! They know when a twinkling light is Venus, or a satellite, or a military flare, or a hot air balloon, and so they don't report it.
That, to me, is the killer argument that aliens aren't visiting us. If they were, the amateur astronomers would spot them.
Of course, you might say "But just because they don't see UFOs doesn't mean they aren't real. It just takes one to prove aliens are coming here!" That might be correct, but remember, we started off thinking they're coming here because so many UFOs are reported! Once you realize that the overwhelming majority of UFO cases are just everyday things, then that "it just takes one" argument gets a whole lot weaker.
But I'll surprise you, though: I agree. It really only does just take one. But that one better have good proof! Something better than a single eyewitness, a badly sketched object, a fuzzy photograph, or out-of-focus video (heck, with digital effects the way they are today, you can't even trust video that's crystal clear). It needs a sample of non-terrestrial metal. An actual alien. Some incontrovertible evidence that is impossible to deny.
But we never get that. Why not? I think it's because we're not being visited. When Klaatu comes and lands on the White House lawn, I'll be willing to change my mind. But until then, well, keep watching the skies. Learn what's up there, and what isn't. You might someday spot the genuine article.
But even if you don't, you get to discover what's really up there... and there's treasure aplenty in the sky to be had, even by us folks stuck here on planet Earth.
Phil Plait is an astronomer, lecturer and author who worked on the Hubble Space Telescope for 10 years. He is the creator of the Bad Astronomy blog and president of the James Randi Educational Foundation.
Article posted February 23, 2009.
http://dsc.discovery.com/space/my-take/astronomer-alien-phil-plait.html
Pagan, friend; this Post will descend into Chaos unless we stick to the facts of the case.The facts brought forward by the 112 credible witnesses.
Introducing crop circles "Dug and Dave admittedly made" or student pranks will fuel disinformation.
Unless that was your intention?
Alienation: not at all, I was merely pointing out that what many think of as UFOs are explained away by natural phenomena. I also hesitate to believe a mere 112 'witnesses'. That figure is simply not enough for credible evidence.
What I have to say is, why do those who believe in aliens attribute them with recognisable forms? Why arent aliens matter of some other sort - it stands to reason that scientists who say they may be aliens lifeforms do not say these lifeforms can manage craft or appear with heads, brains legs etc. it could be as simple as bacteria.
I will let others judge this post.
It does not explain the silence.
Also the fact they managed to gather 112 credible witnesses;
DUDE if this was a Homicide Case 12 would do.
I know it was my Job!
Alienation: in a homicide case there would have to be supporting physical evidence to corroborate the witness testimony, I rest my case.
Not sure if there are other beings out there but i do wonder about the purpose of all these planets and stars? if it is just us why is there more planets? What is the purpose to having them?
So Seeing is Believing? hmmm...interesting to find as "advanced" in technology we are becoming each passing moment, Newtonian science and doubting Thomas live on.
As for Lord Zombie, I did not make an assumption of your religion, I'm not that brash. I took the initiative to illustrate that even staunch and rigid Judeo-Christian-Islamic doctrines uphold that alien life is not only plausible but possible and even declared believing so is not against the "official church policies," whatever they may be. As is, I think you already understand my main point as I'm not talking about little green Roswell.
In reading the many responses here, it is evident that much of what I believe AlieNation is setting forth is being lost to scrupulous judgements and/or assumptions. I too, see the multiplicity of possibilities when it comes to alien/other-wordly (meaning those things we do not consider within our mundane norm) are possibly using alternate dimensions that coincide or overlap the one we live in...or as current theorists summize...stand parallel to the other in a meshwork of endless universes unseen and undetectable by current modes of science. However, these theories abound with their own congruent evidences and are currently being pursued to the furthest ends of research funding by not only our government, but other world governments in coalition on this as well.
Quantum theory, alternate dimensions, and time travel is the new vehicle of space and universal sciences. Considering the fact that these sciences, although taken very seriously by the government and the powers that be, are not by John Q Public..and is there any reason why? ...other than the fact these experiments, studies, and research is not taught on an open basis in our public school system much less talked about on the liberal media...who as so well pointed out, only talk of Hollywood bimbos getting loaded at a party or the finale of who goes home with the next Bachelor/Bachelorette....Dancing with the Stars anyone?
As for alien gods...well...why not just check out the latest on Particle Smashing...."Looking for the God Particle"...applications inside this theory for finding those alternate dimensions...and one major science project that has more governments involved than the orbiting International Space Lab.
http://science.howstuffworks.com/atom-smasher2.htm
if you really want to encounter an alien...go to south texas...they seem to be everywhere! LOL
as for why NOT to contact...
well, there is the old star trek prime directive idea. if a culture isnt advanced enough to deal with the contact or if the contact would screw up their cultural evolution, then they would have to limit that contact.
but it makes you wonder if capt kirk would ever have done an anal probe....
~W~
Well...Im not totally doubting that alien lifeforms exist, what I am doubting is the 'evidence' for their existence put forward by Alienation so far in this thread. The media article at the start of this thread appears to be suggesting that the government are preparing some sort of contingency plan, should aliens be found to exist, NOT because they actually do exist.
All right Gentlemen here is my speil.
1. I am very religious.
2. I believe aliens exist.
3. I don't think that humanity could handle an encounter, we believe ourselves to be the all powerful humans at we are the most advanced and to crush humanities ego is wrong.
4. I think the God comment was a bit far, I believe in God and well the concept of a God that can not be seen but is all powerful, is not be any means common sense and the concept is "foreigner" or "alien" to alot of people. An Alien is something that is not of the place.
5.The universe is huge and I am sure somewhere in the cosmos some planet or moon can sustain life, perhaps their culture is like ours and the internet just caught on in the last decade.
6. UFO's are most commonly things that we have shot into space.
um... does anyone think that that website that has popups on the side, and pics of celebs on the side is actually credible?
I find there is some pretty compelling evidence as far as being visited by extraterrestial beings at one point.I had also often wondered about things stated in the Bible and other writings,including petroglyphs and other such things that might be in fact ,accounts of thier visits.One thing that always seem to stick with me was the promise that JC would return.As far as space travel,it takes quite a while to get from point A to point B,so a return visit in the future,in my mind ,just might be a possibility..only a little different than we all believe.
And who knows? this planet might have been terraformed,with our ancestors brought here to seed the population.Anyway,all kinds of things make sense when I think of it all with these things in mind.But I still havent decided for sure one way or the other if I believe or not.
The best physical evidence is they neutralized twenty nuclear rockets by altering the Uranium.
Of course this means we are defenseless; apparently folk worry about that?
Bows and wonders why peeples are so strange.
CNN Today...Boeing agree the Nukes were shut down by U.F.O's , military personnel WERE sworn to secrecy.
The same things have happened in the U.K. and USSR.
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2010/09/29/am.ufo.hastings.cnn?hpt=T2
but that's not necessarily evidence of alien intervention -- it could also be a result of deliberate sabotage or international espionage.
Occam's razor and all that.
Alienation: I am very very reluctant to take any media information as the absolute truth. Bias, hype and distortion are just a few words I associate with the media.
I happen to agree with you, I am the original cynic but the evidence is now overwhelming;
The U.K. and U.S.A have repeatedly denied any credible evidence...yet...
Now we find they have LIED, they DID tell people to be quiet or else; These 100 witnesses are risking alot to bring out the facts, you owe it to them to read up on ALL the incidents before deciding who is telling the truth. The appearance of Black Ops planes whose personnel can shut down military bases is also an indication something serious happened back then...take it from me, they still exist but I cannot tell you how I know that.I just do.
And as I said, these technologies were all way, way beyond anything mankind has developed so that rules out the
"It was us" argument.
I suggest reading up on Roswell, this incident and the Suffolk incident to name but three, have a serious think about it then make your mind up.
I think its cool we are being watched, must make them laugh!
Does Me.
Maybe they are manufacturing "Goofy Gas" and just maybe they sprayed you with the lions share!
Now, now, now, you are doing the personal vendetta thingy again. Repeat after me " Must open my mind to the fact the world could be round " 3 times before bed-time.
ok. I cannot be serious now. This amused me:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread615015/pg1
I watched a documentary (BBC Panorama, not sure when though) some years ago about an event at an RAF base in England somewhere. The witnesses were credible, I really believed that they believed what they had seen was UFOs.
That is not to say I believed that they had actually seen anything other than explainable and natural phenomena or man-made objects. They had witnessed something they couldnt explain therefore the only logical (or illogical, depending on which way you look at it) explanation provided by their brains was that they had seen UFOs., thus, they were extremely credible witnesses.
One reason suggested for this belief? Fatigue, the nature of their top-secret work (stress) and the way their superiors dealt with it combined to make a very interesting deduction by all witnesses involved that night.
I am just demonstrating the spectrum one can cover with any "Black Ops" themes. I figured with your opened mind you would see the potential connection, radiation.. helicopters, could be they are out to see if they can induce people (chemically) to be convinced such things happened and that the test corral got out, and started a chain reaction via the tabloid media.
How do we know that the tabloid media is not controlled by the same faction of Black Ops personal. Refereed to on the hush hush as "The Factory"
But I have already said to much about "Project Goof"
Project Goof Dab.? lol. Its all a conspiracy, here we are debating like intelligent human beings and they're trying to baffle us with so much contradictory information, we really dont know what is what anymore. I'm building a bunker.
Beat you to it Pagan, too bad people like Alien nation are still wonde3ring around screaming, "The sky is Falling!" When in fact the "Sky" has already fell.
If only they had the Classified 4 documents that leaked last year..
it is amazing how a test with such a low budget could hit such a large demographic. The material they get these poor test subjects to regurgitate, I am ashamed of our Shadow Government. I mean these poor subjects actually think the Government is hiding stuff, they still think the Military is conducting "X spir mints'"
Anyone in the know just won't take that 2001 freak mag conspiracy crap..
Even the alleged Military Industrial Complex is the Bitch to "The Factory" I just wish they would keep their test subjects in institutes.
I finally just read this forum and went to both links and the one posted by UpirLikhyj is indeed the correct article being referred to.
Funny thing is...I can only think of what a waste of government funds when it could be put to better uses such as feeding the hungry.
My goodness...while they are at it..why not appoint a meet and greet person in case King Neptune resurfaces.
Well stated VB, most people that know politics know that the senate, and other committees is always looking for departments to pigeon hole money for other projects, that they prefer to be covert, usually project involving personal properties, and liberties with Tax payer money.
Sooo true, the CNN reported the CIA have over a thousand private companies and agencies working for them.
Probably to get around the snooping/phishing laws, I think they call it "Plausible denial" a.k.a "the end justifies the means"...of course I have never done such a thing and don't know anyone that does...Hee hee..o..sh*t , can't talk now,wheezing...stop it hurts!
This sortof reminds me of the whole Foo fighter thing..
Sure, now the fools are going to think vampires exist (they don't).
What loony wrote that article?
I think we should all post nonsense ASAP to close this thread due to length ;)
It is drawing way too much attention, and the Cyber attack test held today by the G7 countries were purely coincidental and had nothing to do with Iran or Nukes or LiL green men.
Also I was not here...
And I did not write this.^_^.
Maybe you should be safe alien Nation, and double up on your aluminum foil hat!
I think you will find rolled Gold works best but beggars can't be choosers so stick with what works for you.
Anyway Lindsay Lohan is snorting Coke and theirs a new "Nerd" guitar Hero on CNN, so I,m off to investigate things that really matter to all you monkeys.Good luck out there, you're gonna need it ;)
A.Nation.
*Cabrion I am disappointed"Right now there is no reason to believe they are any more advanced than us"? what about the eye witnesses?*
LordZombie took care of that pretty well.
If they did exist with the intention of harming us at all, we'd be far too fucked to do anything.
And i really dont care how you feel about my stance, you can omit phrases like that in the future.
Also i hope your golden hat keeps your thoughts safe.
something that struck me, AN...
are you not a "monkey"(as you like to call us) as well?
The Solar Flares are going to get bad in 2012 but do not worry. Your Alien friends will arrive to Help in the nick of time providing huge subterranean complexes housing Millions.
You will gladly accept their kind offer and then you will be farmed as you deserve. Do not ask for my help, you really have it coming, such is the nature of disinformation.It blurs but those with understanding, keen glasses and sun hats may see straight.
Twaz ever thus.
I am still on the fence about this subject. My father passed away still believing in the possibility of aliens. He always told me to keep an open mind and never discount any possibility of anything.
This may help;Contact?: Disused missile silos at the former RAF Bentwaters base near Rendlesham Forest, Suffolk. Aliens fired beams of light at the base 30 years ago, it has been claimed
Two patrolman were sent out to approach the craft which they described as 'triangular, dark metallic in appearance', Mr Halt said. It quickly and silently 'vanished at high speed'.
A few weeks later Mr Halt was told by his boss that the lights were back and so he went back out into the forest with a couple of policeman, a camera and a cassette recorder.
At the site he saw 'indentations of around six to eight feet wide' and increased levels of radiation as well as broken branches on the trees.
Mr Halt said: 'Milling around, one of the individuals saw a bright glowing object like an eye. It would appear to be winking and was shedding molten metal and silently moving through the trees and at one point it actually approached us.'
He said that the object then exploded into five white objects which became visible in the sky.
They were brightly coloured changing from elliptical to round as if they were moving at very high speed. '
Suddenly one of the objects sent a concentrated beam at the feet of the terrified men.
'Was this a warning? An attempt to communicate? A weapon? Then just as suddenly as it appeared, it disappeared,' he said.
The entire incident was categorised as a British affair because it had happened off base, Mr Halt said.
'I have no idea what we saw that night but I do know it was under intelligent control. My theory is that it was from another dimension or extra-terrestrial,' he said.
The Rendlesham Forest incident, often described as "Britain's Roswell" was used as one example of evidence aliens had targeted nuclear weapons.
Incidentally if you watch the U.K.documentary(which is remarkably difficult to get hold of) of this and the Roswell incident you will find there is great deal of other evidence and corroboration.Some of it is physical, other eye witnesses living nearby and of course Heathrow tracking it.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1315620/US-airman-Charles-Halts-UFO-testimony-encounter-near-UK-nuclear-base.html#ixzz112kzkwmg
Well yes I did read the article as well. Also to point that I had already heard that on the news yesterday. The key word being IF. If contact is made. Never saying that it did infact already been made. VB does make a good point on the amount of money that is spent on these research projects. and how if 1/8 of the money spent actually went towards helping our own, we would be much better off.
I do apologize if this has already been said but honestly I read through most of the posts here but after a while it just begins to make your head hurt. Anyway, this question has always plagued me for the longest. Years ago, all you would hear about is this person seeing a UFO and/or abductions. You would also see the grainy photos and the video tapes that were out of focus and you couldn’t make out if it was really something in the sky or that persons finger in the way. Now days, where everyone and their brother has some type of camera or recording device you see nothing in the media about any of this. I’m just saying.
I do believe in life on other plants. The universe that we occupy such a small space in is vast and who’s to say that we are the only living breathing thing in the entire vast universe. I do not believe however that little green men are going to show up at my door tomorrow morning holding my newspaper asking for a cup of coffee because they have been traveling for so many light years, either.
I can see where the aliens would not make their presence known to us because I am sure we would not just barge into a planet and say take me to your leader. I mean come on. Do you realize what kind of panic that would cause.
All of that is simply my opinion, if it were to happen and aliens were to visit earth who knows how it would turn out.
What is really funny is that the same conspiracy nutz that insist the Government is rife with secrets, and underlying projects, are so easily feed by media sources, that have advertisement as the biggest factor ion their bottom line.
Every Conspiracy theory picks up elements of the last debauched attempt to "shout the big, "I Told You So!"
By your title choice alone AN I can tell you swallow everything that is feed you hook line and sinker.
Every hatched conspiracy uses as parts any scrap classified data that allegedly leaks from "Official sources"
Washed up tabloid writers ink the rest, seasoning the juicy tidbits to hint at all sorts of branch pet ConSpirs.
That is were "The Factory" comes in, and the funny thing is, that when the idea, and alleged agenda, and intent of "The Factory" is mentioned to All so Serious ultra conspiracy nutz, they hackle, and *grin, and get all off putting, and start rambling nonsensical as if to repress nervous uprising. Most Tabloids Poo Poo "The Factory" perhaps because they know once their unsubscribe top the Static, and Codex.
It is not hard to see the Script of most people who cycle such hashed conspiracy, their mantra is always
"I know so much, yet I dare say so little." All the while they point at alleged cover-ups.. while they would have people believe they have their hand on the blanket, and when they fail to draw a crowd, they bark like carnival barkers.. "Are you too afraid to accept what is behind this tent?"
Hell at least at the carnival you get something fabricated from animal parts, or plastic in a pickle jar, seems like the newest generation of conspiracy theorist are all about press clipping presented in ambiguous manners, along with vague anecdotes that may that graft other ideas they promote.
Hey Dab, I can't find anything online about the factory...
actually Ill summarize it best I can, as I would suspect you have plenty of Google Hits on The Factory.
While anyone who is deputized by The Factory is not Employed by The Factory, there is no seal, and no central figure. I know it makes it sound as if it is an actual conspiracy organization itsself..
However when any Investigative Collective goes after an established conspiracy group, or seed topic they often are included in the conspiracy.
So The Factory, know formerly as TRA
began mobilizing journalist, and historians, along with
interviewers to follow the threads cast by those who weave empty threads into conspiracies, and go to the extreme measures of yelling slander, and accusations at
honest folk, as if they actually committed the atrocities fabricated against them.
So it clips the buds of Conz in the Bud, so by the time they try to snow ball with an obsure article, or "factoid". they are disarmed.
So keeping with alien nations desire to run this thread down..
The Factory also engages in baiting, and scrape feeding. To see who has potential to attract official gossip, and disseminate, and how same scrape data is manipulated, and conected with preexisting scrape.
So The Factory would be the First to Insist they exist, and the First to agree with anyone who Disputes that claim!
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2010/09/30/nr.goldilocks.planet.cnn
Just softening you guys up...your'e not unique !
So here's something worth pointing out.
Notice how it was, and always is established science, and Astronomers that make the effort, and research such things, and that they are the ones that make the discoveries, and write the journals.
My point? All the self titled "alien experts" are busy at book signings talking about how the "Government" is covering everything up. Then when they are asked for something substantial to back their fringe tangent, they declare that they "Are not a liberty to disclose that."
Why so desperate to have fringe fantasy?
can you not simply take in the last decades discoveries?
Obviously not.
It must really be a perpetual downer for sods, and punters with such high set lofty ideals.
A road to anticlimax if ever there was one.
Always about "What could that mean?" rather then taking it a half measure.
"Wowwhat practical application could be presented by that?"
Personal, direct question AN
"What could that mean, it has to mean that ____ exist."
or
Wow What practical application could be presented by that?"
Why gas pedal down on the sensational highway?
To sum up my reasoning on Bio forms on other planets,
Sure a bio form is likely to develop on another plantoid. That suffices, and that is phenomenal enough for me. I can spend months hashing away at potential.. I don't even need coaching from Tabloid, and tickle media.
I hope someday you find exercising moderation you may find that nature (Actual nature) has already been stranger then psuedo science crap.. nothing ever satisfies those guys.
BTW Thanks for the News clip, I read sometime past in an astronomer mag that they had been narrowing in on clusters that contained systems , and that such systems would lead to a narrower field.. of course again it was not the Alien Nutz that are desperate to reveal such things that are finding, or funding such exploration.
Yes, it is very sad; All I ask is you do not pigeon hole me with them, they did it for personal gain, I never did.
Love the Notion; that if we spend money they will comply...
Oh come on, like they care? also there is strong evidece they are using dark matter/gateways...hence the vanish!
But of course the world is round?
See you always digress into psycho babble nonsense, you actually do so here with both your profiles. Do you even have any idea what you are spouting?
Drinking and Posting?
If being an "Other Kin" as you claim involves being a mumbling Sod like as you represent, then have at it, you take the prize, Bobs yer' uncle.
Really I am sincere when I ask, have you considered professional help?
I had in the past suspected that you are a joker, in a role of sorts.. but if indeed that is the case, then you need to claim your Oscar.
I claim it ! Jumps aroud with my LiL Gold Cup...He heee...
Ok...shit aside...you'd better hope nothing nasty ever enters you, honestly you wouldnt stand a hope in Hell.
For us here on this puny planet to think we are the only intelligent life anywhere in the known Universe, an area made up of billions of galaxies each, in turn, made up of trillions of stars other than our own around which orbit millions of potentially inhabited worlds... NONE of which we have ever visited...
... is it not the epitome of ignorance and arrogance to conclude that we are the only intelligent life, anywhere in it?
Case in point: Gliese 581c, the First Inhabitable Planet Found... thus far
- Upir'
Absoloutely Upir,we would be flattering ourselves if we believed that we were the only ones out there.However,Im not so sure it is as everyone makes it out to be.As far as visits are concerned.But then,this is something I will not decide either way on because I simply do not know.
I note the progressive linkage that Alien Nutz use.
it is always a race to the fringe, anything exceptable, or reasonable is blown over for the next.. "Astonishing Possibility!"
Reasonable deduction, bio-forms on other planets. To me that is phenomenal, and suffices my speculation tendencies.
However Alien Nutz cannot admit, to themselves or others that they are just speculating, and reaching from already fringe tangents.
The average Alien Nut, will typically tie in five other conspiracies to their subscribed "Aliens Among us pitch"
and they all have the same stale flavor of rehashed tabloid stories.
Rarely is are do any breach typical Alien Nut Codex.
As, for whatever reason, my "embed html" like did not work, I'm simply pasting the youtube hyperlink here:
Gliese 581c
Personally, I don't find it to be ignorance or arrogance to assume there is no other intelligent life forms out there.
Although, it is ignorant to waste money on space exploration when there are starving people on this planet.
Funny how people bow at the feet of science when science cannot even cure the common cold or figure out a way to feed all the starving people on Earth.
Then again, science did give us the atom bomb. So, it can't be all bad.
But hey, that's just me.
LZ... I am curious why you are so adamant that there cannot possibly be any intelligent life anywhere else in the entire Universe of which we know absolutely nothing? Given that there is abundant such life on the only inhabitable planet we know (Earth), isn't that batting a 1000 on that question, already?
As for how the government spends our money, I have just as much problem with that as you do. However, this has nothing to do with the question of whether or not there might be intelligent life in the Universe. Unless, of course, it is to that very governmental squandering of our tax dollars that has you so angrily objecting to the very question of such intelligent life, in the first place.
- Upir'
I'm no more adamant that there is no intelligent life out there than others are adamant that there absolutely has to be intelligent life out there simply because there is intelligent life here on Earth.
I mean, look at it this way...
We dropped the bomb twice on Japan.
Is it not ignorant and arrogant to assume that we will absolutely do it again?
I have not stated "adamantly" or otherwise that there definitely is intelligent life elsewhere. Thus, your comparison of our two positions as containing the same strength of superlatives is not accurate. Your analogy of such views as similar in some way to the U.S. controversial resolution of WWII is likewise... is likewise fraught with foundational difficulties.
LOL my statement was not directed at you personally and I never said that YOU were adamant about anything.
I have always watched such the Fringe element, the same Nutz that once Harped, against H.A.R.P.
are now embracing the projects, suspicious how once legit science, and Ologies' make discoveries Nutz slide right in to graft their wares in any way suggesting of support for their fringe ideals.
Yet they also turn on any new developing projects, and doom forecasting.. until that is such a project produces fodder for their mills. Vicious cycle, and one that hinders projects like such as this.
Just finding a moss like growth on a distant planet would upset Creationist, so can deduct that any firm believer in such would not be willing to waiver their Faith to.
How are the aliens supposed to know to meet the UN delegate 1st?
I'm not saying whether or not "aliens" have been to the planet because I don't know. However to believe we are the only life in the universe is just crazy if you ask me. This belief would be inline with catholic beliefs during the crusades which said the sun revolves around the earth which is the center of the universe. They also believed the universe was created for man alone.
Why are some people so predictable in their constant skepticism of everything? Go to Peru and see if they think that it is all a hoax? UFOs are sited there often and I use to work for a courier service and our service in the mountains (Big Bear, CA area) was owned by people from Peru. We use to talk of this all the time.
They are finding new planets now. I find it ludicrous that anyone would think there would be only one inhabited planet with life and that they surely couldn't be smart enough for space travel and if they existed of course they would want to make it pubic along with the governments who think the average person would go ballistic and I can tell you the religious fanatics of the world would. Carl Sagan knew this.
If in my opinion, if some culture was able to get to Earth I would suspect they would be monitoring us and seeing us kill each other. Would you land and say "I come in peace, take me to your leader" when the whole planet is so violent??? Some crop circles were created by people here and others they don't know for various reasons.
You know in the 1990s MIT held a symposium on alien abductions and it was by Professors that were not involved in anything to do with the occult or psychology of any type. They felt there was enough anecdotal evidence to take the idea at least seriously. I have he transcript from it. Of course in the end it gained all sorts of controversy from the naysayers, which I suspected would happen. When we say aliens, some could be involved in interdimentional travel as well. They might not be from here. Who knows but if I was from elsewhere I wouldn't land here. I would communicte privately with higher powers and make a bargain for the sake of exploration. No way would I land like in "The Day The Earth Stood Still' and trust humans if I knew anything about them. Seems many do because there are signs in ancient history that there may have been visitors back them. Time is a funny thing so we really don't understand enough other than to state, I believe or don't believe. It's kind of like the believers, agnostics and atheists of religion. I consider some of the non-believers to be just as big a crackpot as some of the believers and others are very credible witnesses that people just ignore.
SteelIndigo - Go to Peru and see if they think that it is all a hoax? UFOs are sited there often and I use to work for a courier service and our service in the mountains (Big Bear, CA area) was owned by people from Peru. We use to talk of this all the time.
As one who has on at least two occasions here at VR related my own rather close encounter with a steadily glowing ¨flying saucer¨while living in the central mountain jungles of Peru, I can personally confirm the validity of SteelIndigo´s statement. Unlike many UFO reports of unknown distant lights in the sky, what I saw was a large metallic glowing golden craft less than a few hundred yards away and at treetop level moving slowly from west to east.
And while I would and have not used this as an argument here in favor of extra terrestrial life given its anecdotal nature, yet I did at least wish to confirm that Peru does indeed have a lot of UFO activity.
- Upir´
I personal include in speculation on the matter that perhaps a species of humanoid evolved along side man, only they adapted to living in the crevasses of the planet.
Yet this is all just spectulation, and when I hear Nutz
charging "You were Wrong?"
It really demonstrates why there is such a complete distancing from such topics. Lets face it while some hold moderate speculation(myself included ) their are individuals who take ever strand and run amok with it, using it as leverage for their other fanatical fringe ideaqls.
What this does is enable the static in discussion.
I am seeing something different here though, I am seeing people define and summarize what is agreed on, or at least reasoned upon. What conclusion that leads them to speculate varies but something is established.
Nutz, are not debaters, they are arrogant pompous
indivduals who declare themselves all knowing, and everyone else so deluded, and Wrong.
A little up date, Yes, Astronomer just discovered a new planet, and they think there is water and probably air. Cool for the Astronomers.
I would Add that it is 26 light years away, even speculating falls short of the Logistics even an advanced race would need to negotiate to navigate the distance between.
That is why I am content to modestly spectulate as to the bio-forms that inhabit such a planet, even the equivalent of bacteria, or amoeba would be phenomenal.
Yet the radicals cannot take a pause at such a mundane step.
Upir, what would be your best guess as to what the lights actually were?
http://articles.cnn.com/2008-01-15/health/fda.cloning_1_meat-and-milk-clone-free-center-of-food-safety?_s=PM:HEALTH
What is science doing to feed the hungry?...I question the intent behind feeding the masses cloned meat...why not let cattle and sheep be proactively fertile as they have been for thousands of years? As for feeding the hungry...there are reasons governments starve their own people or shall we revist the quandary of events that happened in Mynamar?
As for John Q....and our own government...face it..we're all gerbils and lab rats and the pharms and goverment have been screwing each other in bed for years now...the result is a multiorgasmic compliation of legislation to move us closer and closer to social medicine...and government run medical care for a nation that already has Medicare, Medicaid, and Charity Hospitals...oopps...don't forget the VA...that's government run also....do you really think it's for the "good of the people?"
Suffice it to say..or rather ask...why? would the UN appoint a 1st contact person in the event of "if" we should come in close proximity to intelligent alien life forms..."if" it were not a rational summation based on information not released to the public...to debate whether or not aliens exist or not is a moot point..the fact remains, they appointed someone...which means there is anticipation for preparation of an event that has plausible existence in the near future.
As always...conspiracy theories aside..."What" exactly is it that the governments of this world, and even our own country, commit time, effort, and funding into science and research...of aliens, genetics, ancient history, alternate dimensions, time travel, space exlporation, cloning,????....just follow the money...
"All the perplexities, confusion and distress in America arise not from defects in their Constitution or Confederation, nor from want of honor or virtue, so much as downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit and circulation." John Adams
Just my last thrupenny bit; Hawkins and some other notable scientists with no life experience say that government is incapable of keeping such a secret?
Yet they managed to keep secret using poor south Americans as guinea Pigs for nasty STD viruses.
They apologised yesterday.(Guess Bush sidesteeped that one?)
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/10/01/us.guatemala.apology/index.html?hpt=T2
This about the same time they were threatening people at Roswell.
You know what is funny, or pathetic depending on ones perspective, here you are crying, and bell ring about all these cover-ups, and you hint at some ultra humanoid characteristics you have.. yet you insist that you must must not come forward.
So all the scattered fragments you elmer glue together are really not convincing, I would suspect that if something substantial did land in your lap you would be so stuck on awe that you as a witness would be worthless, and dismissed as less then valued.
As in " The Boy who cried alien."
LordZombie,
I have no idea what those seeing "lights" might actually have seen.
What I can opine on is what I saw in 1980 in San Ramon, Peru, which was a large "flying saucer"-type craft, burnished gold in appearance that glowed steadily from within and moved at tree-top level only a few hundred feet from me from west to east until it was out of view. It made no sound whatsoever.
As for what it might have been, I can only narrow down what it was not. It was not some atmospheric anomaly or optical illusion and it most certainly was not anything that our current technology could have produced, much less that of the 1980s. It was obviously something designed by a technology far advanced of our own. Whether that technology was extra-terrestrial in origin or perhaps of a still-unknown species of intelligent life indigenous to this planet we have yet to discover, I cannot say. That's the best I can do.
- Upir'
DABS Finally ;
We reveal you, not as a Bigot but as an intelligent man paid by the very "Factory" you spoke of.
The agency taught you to "DIS" the norm in the name of the "Common Good"
WE SEE YOU....We do believe in other better entities.
It will not Help You, Pagans were recognised as a Religion yesterday in the U.K. your time is numbered. Hugz.
I look at it this way...we have yet to truly explore our own galaxy outside of our solar system, and seeing as how astronomers tell us our galaxy is VASTLY huge, who knows whats out there. Coupled with the fact that these same scientists have spotted hundreds of other galaxies around ours with the help of Hubble, I find it hard to believe that WE are the sole planet in the universe with "intelligent life". In my opinion, to think that we are alone, that we are the only thing that God would create, is nothing more than pure arrogance. Again, that is just my opinion and I'm not here to step on any one elses' beliefs. I just think that an all powerful creator wouldn't stop with us if he/she/it were capable of doing anything and everything.