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21:45:54 Oct 20 2010
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What is the stereotyping you have received for who you are or what you practice? What has been the most offensive stereotyping you have had?




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i think the worst i have had was some one said i drank babys blood, killed aniamls, had orgies with people in devil mask.




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In a way, stereotyping can be avoided.

Of course the obvious way is to be aware who you share your belief, or practice with.

The second is to educate if you decide to share.

If you ask a person what they know, or have heard about a belief, or practice before you tell them you can save yourself a lot of grief.


I know people who claim so many beliefs, and practices that people just get feed up with them personally (beliefs aside)


So size up the people you intent to share with, even people who claim to share those beliefs, or practices, because it is not uncommon for them to air your business to others, and such ill mannered people are the ones perpetuating such stereotypes.

Another important thing is Being.. Being rather then claiming.. because people will see you as you are, that is what matters before your beliefs.



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Well people stereotype based on what they see on television, etc. If I were to go out dressed like someone from Queen of the Damned, well they might stereotype me as a vampire or a goth.

I usually find that people who stereotype are nothing more than uneducated, flotsam and jetsam, with little hope for ever being reasonable intellectuals willing to open their fragile, unintelligent minds to modern reality.



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well what they related it to me as is

the movies i had, i had some witch craft books, i have always been a fan of vampire romance novels and always have a parnormal book with me lol, and i never did dress out there jeans t shirts, but i liked black nail polish and lip stick



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another social constant is when youth adopt a fad, and assume that everyone who is not into their fad is against them, that is a persecution complex, and it helps bigoted people deny their actual prejudice.

If a person is not interested in listening to another person share their beliefs they have every right to not listen.

If the area is common purpose, then they have a right to request a person not speak on the subject in the common area.

Tolerance does not imply that people accept a person emphatically.

While you as a person do not being stereotyped for your belief, or practice. People who don't believe, or subscribe to your practices don't like to be stereotyped either.

So there is a fine line between stereo typing, and persecution.



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01:48:22 Oct 21 2010
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"While you as a person do not being stereotyped for your belief, or practice. People who don't believe, or subscribe to your practices don't like to be stereotyped either."

Very well said dabbler



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I am curious as to how those who make such statements to you approach you, and were?

I have seen bigots tactfully signal out people they deemed
targets..

if you really want to help others that may be targets, it is important to be detailed with the Who made such statements to you (or to others associated with you) What was said. When, and where it was said.



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well for me it was family and people from work who would come to vist or drop me off at home.

they would come in a see a book shelf of scary movies, some gragyols around the apartment, went on my computer and saw vr on it and a bdsm web sight on my favorites

and they came up with for some reason im a heathen and i did not fight them on there opion because how i looked at it is if i fight it to much i look guilty, if i dont fight it to hard i look guilty



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I would suspect they are mebers of an established religion.

Have you told them that you are an adult (are you?) and that they have no business on your computer?

The damage has already been done, by not being discreet you have put yourself in a position to be subject to people who
figure they are being concerned for you.



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Most people keep their distance, yet a few have called the cops because of the gathering at the Vamp House.



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I work in a medical atmosphere and get double standard of either being not knowledgable enough (Well, you aren't a doctor, are you?) because I am female or the "since you wear scrubs you must know EVERYTHING medical" so I have this pain right here... do you think it's ... lol

No I am not a doctor and it looks like a bruise to me! I DO work with people 5 days a week and see complaints JUST LIKE YOURS over and over again, so I am pretty certain that if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and waddles like a duck... its probably a duck and can be cooked like a duck.
I work in a physical therapy clinic. I cannot and will not diagnose you at the grocery store. That is what your doctor is for. If he sends you to me then I will make you as good as you are willing to work for.

It's a professional stereotype and prejudice. Just as some people hate all lawyers (until they need one). As for my personal quirks, only those closest to me know about them. My spell books are under lock and key. I do have dragons, fairies and other mythical stuff in my otherwise vanilla house. Even if someone did feel the audacity to judge me based on my personal belief system, I am fairly certain I could find a loop hole in thiers as well. lol Attack first! its the best defense.



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09:09:15 Oct 21 2010
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I haven't been stereotyped as a vampire because i am still hiding that from everyone, and I avoid the goth stereotype by not dressing in black and the emo stereotype by hiding my feelings and so really the only stereotype I have had to deal with is the "fat white guy american" stereotype



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everyone stereotypes in one way or another. I've been stereotyped as so many things, but i don't think i have ever been offended by any of them some perhaps true some way off. either way it doesn't seem to bother me



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Stereotyping can be used to ones advantage, in some situations, if you play your cards right. Let me explain with some examples :

My ex husbands family was convinced I was a Witch because of my household decor back in the early 90's....instead of being mad or frustrated I just laughed and did not feel the need to explain myself in my my OWN home. I knew someday I could use their irrational beliefs in my favor and sure enough I did...when I filed for divorce I told them all I was going to place curses on them if they bothered me....it worked...to this day I never see those people. They were irrational people who had their own "stereotyping stupidity" turned around on them.

Another example...I have 16 tattoos and a Harley in the garage but I am not " a biker chic" by any stretch of the word. Again..I learned to use it to my advantage...I don't cry "poor me" for being looked at as a "mean chic biker"..I just smile and enjoy the fact people stay out of my face .

If people want to stereotype..then one has to learn that the others will not change..its up to the individual how to turn it around to their own advantage. Of course my ability to laugh at most everything helps a lot too ;)



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In 2003 in my country, there was a TV Programme where a priest said that anyone who listens to rock music is a Satanist, therefore an evil person who sacrificises people, etc... He also said that you recognise these people because they wear black and from certain symbols they wear (this included the yin tang and Anarchy symbols.)

At those times I used to wear more black then now and listen to rock music more than now, and I got the worst strereotypes from family and society.

All this because of a stupid TV Programme and a person who didn't know what was talking about.

Till this day, there are people who when they get to know that someone likes rock they're like: ''omg really? That's scary!''



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As "Vampires" are defined as "reanimated corpses" who feed on blood (and/or energy, etc.), I hardly consider it "stereotyping" that, upon calling yourself such openly, others would take you at your word and believe that you think yourself such a supernatural being. And as such "reanimated corpses" have never been evidenced to actually exist, they would be forced to determine for themselves whether you are actually such a fictionalized being or whether you are crazy or deluded or both.

Were I to call myself the "tooth fairy" and run around in a tou-tou and a wand trying to climb into children's bedrooms at night... I don't consider it stereotyping in the least that my neighbors and, understandably, the police might be quite concerned in my mental state and my nocturnal activities.

The point being... if you are going to call yourself a "vampire," people are not stereotyping for taking you at your word and being forced by such to have to re-evaluate their opinion of you and your sanity. They are not the problem in this scenario. And trying to make them such only furthers your own plunge into self-delusion.


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I've been stereo-typed my whole life...not for being a vampire, a goth, or a satanist or anything remotely dark...nope...I seemingly belonged like other people.

Like Nanakiki, I am stereo-typed every day in the medical profession....the hillarious fun I've had this year...imagine if you will...I've lost 100 lbs...figured out the things I'm allergic to and avoid them, and changed my hair color. People I've worked with for 15 years come in for their annual check-up and don't recognize me..:P Now, I'm "too young" to be anywhere for 15 years much less have 2 kids..;) How in the world would I know what I was doing...although I have doubt such logic as to why would the doctor hire someone who doesn't know the difference between the hole in their head and one in the ground?

I've been stereo-typed as being unknowlegable about a lot of things...my opinions made less than considerable simply because they were spoken out of the mouth of a "woman."

I've been stereo-typed based on my epilepsy, especially as a child. Parents would admonish their kids not play with me because they'd "catch" my disease. Educators stereo-typed me as being "disabled" or "retarded" because a child with epilepsy can't think properly because of having seizures....she needs to ride the "special yellow bus."

Stereo-typing is a scenario that plays itself out regardless if it's about gender, sex, religion, workplace, home (women's work vs man's), politics, ...even science has it's own version of it.

I seem to be stereo-typed as a "confused" person when it comes to spiritual matters by general, religious community folks or "strange" and "unusual"...but perhaps too, it simply means I do not nor cannot conform to the "norm" of generalized expectations....and quite frankly...who should?

Stereo-typing is prejudice and often presents an uneducated, singular view regarding the interests or strangeness of the person being stereotyped. In my experience, being stereo-typed, a simple, down to earth explanation or saying nothing at all is enough to suffice the curiosities and slanted looks one can get. Some people you can talk to and some you can't, but suffice it say, smiling and moving on does a whole lot more to move you forward as an individual than staying mired down in endless arguements that you don't phallically worship Satan or some such nonsense...sometimes, it is just best to just be yourself and be consistent in all that you do.



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Stereotyping is a great way of deceiving the ignorant and arrogant as such very much misunderstood. I have used this form of ignorance to hang around with biker gangs, prostitutes, royalty, chavs, hells angels,models, celebrity and academics ~ ; ) it is really rather handy!



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Where do I begin. There has been a few , one in particular. I have a triple wammy as far a stereotype. The terms "dumb blonde", "dumb polock", "just" a female..... I had heard them all. Personally, I shrug it off , but when assumptions like these are made about a stereotype like this and it affects the way others perceive you DESPITE your talents...that can get a little old when one is being serious. Misconceptions like these can be an obstacle difficult to navigate. Especially when one is involved in a career or way of life not conducive to ones appearance or gender. While these misconceptions have dwindled over the years , they do still exist from time to time and I find them to be a burr under my saddle more than anything.



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what is the stereotyping you have recived for who you are or what you practice. what has been the most offinsive stereotyping you have had?

I've been stereotyped in more ways than one my entire life.

For the most part i have been stereotyped for having Epilepsy and not having a mom. if i am not stereotype by one or both of those i am stereotyped because of who my family members are. I always get stereotyped by one thing or another

many nowadays are stupid and ignorant and label people as something. i see all people as equal rather than labeling them. its better to not label someone and treat everyone the same. when treatd with respect you get respect.


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I think stereotyping happens to EVERYONE in one from or another. Even to those being stereotyped can be the ones doing a little of it themselves. I for one am even guilty.

How one is stereotyped can also be somewhat related to the company they keep. As my father always said when you run with a mud hen you shall be a mud hen....fly with eagles and you shall reach the stars.



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Personally I see people perpetuate stereotypes, who then cry about being persecuted, if one is going to be socially confrontational with their beliefs, ideas, or practices thay should be ready to receive flak, flak from people who may have already based their opinion on the matter from previous bad experiences,



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I agree Dabbler.
But will someone please explain how looking feminine (like a female)somehow makes my education and experience any less valuable than if I were male?
I seem to recall sitting in class with both male and female students. I've worked for over 20 years. But because I take the time to "look nice" it goes out the window.



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I suspect that that is relating to your region.

I have seen how Belorussians have actually equality, the equality that is not found in some regions of the States.

Or over exaggerated in others.

Sex, and Politics stereotyping seem to be very region related.



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I think, for me, the most offensive (at the time) stereotype was in highschool. A couple of the Christian kids that hung around in front found out that I had grown up Mormon. They already didn't like us, claimed we were Satanic and told teachers and principal that we were "performing rituals" before school started (ironic, since we weren't, but they were out there for a prayer circle).

Anyways, they told me, that as Mormon (as if this wouldn't be true if I did worship the Devil, as they previously believed) that I was going to Hell when I died. Being that Mormonism is basically an offshoot of a Christian religion, I found this to be a very biased belief, based off of complete and utter ignorance.

This was proven when we started an exchange based off of scripture from the King James Version of the Bible. I was able to quote specific scriptures, and provide the book, chapter, and verse, while they just spouted random crap.

And they were supposed to be the Heaven going ones - guess they should have spent more time studying their religious text and less time persecuting others.



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It is the nature of the beast. It HAPPENS.....I have learned to "get over it". How else can life go on.



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For me the really offensive stereo type is the Mage, the Witch, the Wizard.
I listen intently to those who speak in tongue... so many are just FRAUDS, they really really annoy me.

So next time you are in a abandoned Church chanting bullshit from a Grey hood, with candles.

Ask yourself this, how come he doesn't need a Church or candles or latin? Answer; this is stereotypical Bull.



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While I agree that some stereotypical judgements are regional Dabs, that is not always the case. As Nanakiki states, gender bias is straight-across the board all around the world and even worse if the gender line is not "specific" for those around you to see.

Another general stereotype is that all "fat" people are lazy and unable to work as well as a skinnier person. Stereotypes of this sort are just as huge a misnomer as gender-bias. Both stereotypes coupled along with other forms of disease or disability (like epilepsy, autism, or any other) are judgements regarding intelligence and ability.

In other words, if someone doesn't look to "measure up" to the general standard of society norm...then they just don't measure up....it doesn't always have to do with being blatantly different....you can look, talk, and act "normal" and still find yourself stereotyped by foolish and ignorant people who identify themselves with a shared "universal truth"...something I believe led to burning witches at one time?



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In cases of race, build ect those are established characteristics.

When it comes to beliefs, adopting a subculture, or practice, it is ones option so in part one agrees to the terms of stepping out side the box, and into the fringe.

What of what people say?

Do?

Indeed action against a person for any reason is not to be tolerated!

What of what they say? If one can not bear the burden of words, then step back in the box, and speak of your fear to venture out.


Speak of how all straights, non-fringe people stereotype you.. ahh see you are now the stereotypist..






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I think the worse one was the fact they tried to take my son away because me n my girl were goth



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You know what? If people act negative toward my style, I tell them it's none of their damn business and get lost! I will not tolerate that nonsense from anyone, and why should the energy be wasted arguing with the idiots/ i have other things to worry about. If they have a problem, then that's their dasmn hangup. I will not be bothered.. And i let them know in a voice clearly bold and understandable that I do not care!



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People stereotype all the time... even people here do, so no one is really innocent. Many people here talk down on Christians. I will admit that I have before. Or people wont go to a particular restaurant because the waiter was rude and so they stereotype the whole staff as being ruse by the one experience... it's a way people cope with their experiences more than the media actually. People don't really realize how much they stereotype though.

But appearance is my issue. People put me in the goth/ "emo" category, but I don't really care, it's impossible to persuade stubborn people who only have one outlook on things. And being a Surgical Resident doesn't help. All the doctors ask me to cut my hair.... I always decline though.



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Stereotyping aside, I was inside the box at one time and didn't fit overall perceptions of the "norm" because of bias regarding gender, age, weight, epilepsy, etc....and now, being on the outside of the box, I am percieved as still being inside the box by those that assume to stereotype that which they see.

I find transformation literally amazing as you see people year after year and they behold you to look and to act a certain way and based on their assumptions of how you carry yourself, your overall weight, your gender, etc....I have seen the stereotype of my person change.

I am not longer the "fat blonde girl" that worked on them last year...in fact I am not recognized at all. I am now "too lean"...my hair "too black" but yet "attractive" and now I appear (once again to my angst) "too young" to being doing this job at all.

Irregardless, stereotyping is based upon what is "seen" and "assumed" by people with predisposed perceptions of what is proper, not proper, what is attractive, what is not, who is popular, who is not....it is all about association and what it means to each person who stereotypes anyone based on their secular vision.

And what of my epilepsy? As a child, I could not hide it, my seizures were prevalent...as an adult, they are not as noticable, yet at times they happen and make me stutter, I can't get my words out right and I may repeat myself without realizing I am...and I joke about it and say I am suffering with "early Sometimers"...it's easier than trying to explain that a seizure is not always the "stereotypical" illusion that I will fall down to the ground and cast myself into the fire....or further demean my intelligence as those same stereotypes of social thought regards epileptics as "disabled" and "unable to perform" work.

When you run into the same general perceptions...aka stereotypes...time and time again and with no purposeful prompting to see or hear it against yourself, but perhaps in conversation as they speak of others, you realize that none are safe from stereotyping as long as tongues wag away in ignorance of whom and what they speak about.



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GOC...don't you ever cut your hair!...lolz..I will hunt you down...:P Dontchya just love that stereotypical image of the what a medical professional should "look like?" As it is, being yourself makes you stand out from the crowd, but being excellent at whatever you choose to do will set you apart.



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21:03:33 Oct 24 2010
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Its true...most medical professionals have a clean cut boring look to them. I always get shit about my hair and tattoo [i cant wear my piercings for obvious health reasons] but people tend to distrust people with tattoos for some reason and I have to remind them, that I got here with just as much work that THEY have, so before they try to judge me and call me uneducated they can stop and realize that THEY are the ones being ignorant as someone's intelligent is not based on their appearance.

Plus I'll beat the sh*t out of a little nerd is he wants to keep talking sh*t. lol



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such individuals need to validate themselves, when in a way they are straining the view of who they are, as compared to how they perceive themselves, in effect.. cramming themselves into a box, I personally aplaud those such as you GoC for Being as you are.

It is those who repeat the mantra, "I don't care what people think of me.", that have a ways to go until personal actualization.

Identity phases are common, and outside pressures are a key factor in that. breach the "norm" and one begins Being.



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haha..:) I am getting this hillarious image in my head GOC...too funny..:P you in a white lab coat doing residency with the clean-cut nerds...lolz...I guess I'm just as bad though..although I can't do facial jewelry..I did get away with piercing my ears three times..;) Considering the dress codes in the manuals are as ancient as the Happy Days...:{ I think there was a clause in there some where for women not to "attract" attention to their ears with more than "one" piercing or something of that nature..and no pink hair...:( darn...oh well..nothing about dying my hair black..:P


BTW..Dabs...well said...:)



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I too am in the medical field and there is much stereotyping in that profession. I have to admit that I have been stereotyped for many other things in my life including my race. I have never been bothered by it, I have to be honest with you I strongly believe such things as stereotyping become a problem when you give them attention. I don't so they have never been a problem for me. When one dresses like a witch are they something else?



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wrote a piece called colours.. bout this.. 'wear the colours of your tribe.. whatever they might be, pink, purple or black..' and, as I read it to a few pople, someone listening in [[Larl,, from The Jalapenos's] took offence. Now he does a covers band, wearing white tww and blue jeans. Then soon I found myself ostracised by half the pub.. the weird MoFo took a poem so seriously, that he overheard.. that he made my life in that pub quite unbearable...



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I have learned that people will treat you as you let them treat you. Most will come off as rude and make comments that are thoughtless. You can choose to allow those comments to hurt you or disregard them (my new tactic). You can also take the time to correct their misunderstandings. Since I am in a medical field and have the responsibility of carrying out doctors orders with the patient. I can be guilty of becoming overwhelmed and letting the comments either get to me or ignoring them. But I have had to learn to be firmer lately. I actually said to a patient on Friday, "These are the doctor's orders. However, it is your body and you have the right to refuse treatment. Either I can assist you, as I have both the education and training to do, or you can do them on your own. The choice is yours."
He stared at me for a good long 2 minutes before asking me to show him how to do the exercises again.



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.. an I was recalling after writing that, a time when I was at a party and, got corned my at least six or seven self-righteous teachers, all asking me what it was like to be unemployed; and a dolie, laying about all day...

like talk of stereotyping.. !



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yoiks Angelus...talk about stereotyping alright..sheesh..:P And Nanakiki..yup yup..can totally relate to that one...just gotta love patients who absolutely "know" they "know more than you." :) That was an awesome response btw...^^



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Aw... thankies...

I just call it like I see it. I am who I am. I am what I am. I do not plan on changing for anyone. I may make minor adjustments but if who/what I am bugs ya... then its YOUR problem.

Angelus... I sure hope you played it like you had it made... "Well, you know I do so love sleeping in until noon. I have so much free time now to pursue the things I really want to do." They were probably just jealous that they were still working and wanted to make you feel bad thereby making themselves feel superior.

a motto of mine is "Never let them see you sweat."



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PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS TO QUICK TO JUDGE OTHERS BASED ON LOOKS GENDER OR A DIFFERANT LIFESTYLE CHOICE MAYBE THE ONES THAT JUDGE SHOULD TAKE MORE OF A INTREST IN THERE OWN WELL BEING. MAN IS DIFFERANT FROM OTHER MAN AN DITTO FOR OUR SISTERS BUT MAYBE IF MORE PEOPLE UNDERSTOOD THAT THAN THE WORLD WOULD BE ABIT MORE GENTLE TO THE EYES



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People who type in caps are an example of people who are perhaps too desperate to make a statement. Peculiar behavor stands out, even in fringe subcultures. Is that stereotyping?



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Someone said because i like animals i must mean by drinking thier blood.. I can love animals and not want to drink thier blood.. Yuck! A vampire can be a animal lover and not have the urge to feed on them..



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.. though, always wondered: in order to be accepted by a group, of your peers, don't you adopt the colour od your tribe?



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I have been proxy to a few different "tribes" or subcultures, and I have noted that there are those who come in with preconcieved ideals of how people in the subculture act, yet they miss the concept that some things are projected, and not taken seriously by the subculture, to smoke screen non members..



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MAN IS DIFFERANT FROM OTHER MAN AN DITTO FOR OUR SISTERS BUT MAYBE IF MORE PEOPLE UNDERSTOOD THAT THAN THE WORLD WOULD BE ABIT MORE GENTLE TO THE EYES

What does this mean?



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When broken down to its least common denominator, when distilled down to its most basic characteristics, I find that we ALL are forced in life and by life to make quick assessments of those around us with whom we come into contact that we do not know. In all such cases, we have to quickly decide who poses a potential threat and who might best be trusted or at least not cause us immediate concern.

Can I trust this person over the counter with the personal information they are requesting? Can I believe the person on the TV talking about some new product or service? Do I let this person into my home, my life, my heart and/or my bed? And on and on and on...

We are all forced in life to have to make quick and snap judgments and decisions regarding how others are perceived and what might best be surmised and summarized regarding them... and often with little to no other information than their appearance, their speech and how they are acting.

And regardless whether anyone here wishes to be told this or not... all of this requires some degree of stereotyping and making judgmental generalizations. No, not because we would prefer it this way... but because in today's world where anything and everything is being flung at you constantly, we simply don't have the time to stop everything, step back, collect all the facts and figures and then thoughtfully evaluate it all and arrive at a knowledgeable assessment (threat or otherwise) of the person or people in question.

No... I'm not defending stereotyping; I'm simply pointing out that we all are required to stereotype to some degree on a daily basis with people we meet that we otherwise do not know.

And how do we make such judgments? Understandably, we look at what is comfortable and pleasant in our own lives and compare the unknown factor (e.g., other person/people/situation/environment) to it. Does this person look or act or react as do I or as do those with whom I am familiar and find pleasant?

And, of course, the opposite is true, too! If we have have had negative experiences with certain types of people or surroundings, we will tend to "stereotype" negatively those that in the future resemble such.

To my view, in the smallest of "nutshells," this pretty much both explains and predicts how we all view and "judge" unfamiliar people and surroundings. This explains why we tend to view others of different appearance, views and actions as less trustworthy ... simply because they are less known.

Again... don't equate my explanatory distillation of this form of basic initial stereotyping as a defense for perpetuating such stereotyping, thereafter. While such instinctual self-preservational snap assessments and judgments are necessary when faced with new situations and people, the problem comes when we allow such initial stereotyping to become our primary means of evaluating others, thereafter.

As logical and hopefully empathetic people (obviously the arrogant and narcissistic among us never rise to this level of self development), we learn in life that such is unfair and unjust. A "book" cannot be properly judged based on its "cover" and that if exposure to and around another unfamiliar person reveals that there is no threat and that perhaps the intiial pre-judgment was incorrect, then we ought to explore beyond our instinctual reactions and enjoy what we discover of this new person or environment... despite its being new and unfamiliar. At some point, once we realize that there are EXCEPTIONS to our pre-judgments, we will begin to explore those exceptions and develop our powers of discernment and perception of others and the greater unknowns beyond.

Anyway... those are a few of my thoughts on the subject.


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Upir,

I see what you mention to be more Profiling, a very basic Social Instinct. Stereotyping is a part of profiling, but prejudice is the irrational degree of same. Such a delicate balance.

As a person who was once snubbed by a 'mongrel punk', "with a loud " Stare all you want! Get over it!" when actually I was not amused in the appearance of the teen fashion models directly behind them.

See they had the assumption that they were the center of attention, which can only draw suspicion to there intent in donning such statement making attire. My first question after the encounter to my companion? "What would Mongrel Punks be doing in a Mall, carrying bags even?" So how people want, and hope top be perceived is a factor in what is, and what is not stereotyping.



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The wost I have had is that Im to dark to be Native. :(



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profiling, sterotyping, in means of readily identifying ones social group. peer comfort, thassal, at it's base.

seeking security, in the same.



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Well considering most hoomans are very judgemental creatures....I've had people look at me weird just because I dyed my hair black. I was called vampire, witch, and even a freak at the mall by some childish man passerby. I never practiced anything to be called them, but it showed me just how warped society can be.



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I am reminded that some Stereotyping is done by people who assume that because you appear a certain way, that if they attire themselves in a like manner that they will automatically be accepted.



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One could say here.....If the shoe fits, wear it.



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aye.. one has to onder why there are those who choose to adopt a sterotype, to 'fit in.'



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Because imitation is so much easier than developing a individual personality. Putting a group /tribe identiy before the self..



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that i worship the devil or that im evil... gr.... i could show them evil if i wanted to



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vampierjazz, anyone of us can "show evil" if we want to, including those who you feel are stereotyping you. They have just as much power and ability to act "evilly" against you as you do against them. Reminds me of the Seinfeld episode where Elaine blurts out to a guy she thinks is dull and boring that she could kill him and no one would ever know... to which he replies with just as much fervor that he could do the same to her. Her stunned reaction to his retort reveals that she had never bothered to consider that obvious fact. Seems, perhaps, you might not have, either. ;)

We all have the capacity for "evil" just as any child has the capacity to throw a tantrum. In both cases, it involves acting out without self-discipline and without consideration of others... and doing so only reveals our lack of both and a corresponding lack of maturity.

And if this is true, then it isn't stereotyping to so acknowledge this, now is it?


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Assessing a person by their action is not stereotyping. As Upir points out so well. So interesting how people with fringe alignments assume that people ("squares") hold them in contempt.

as if their very presence offends everyone.. makes me wonder the percentage of people wearing costumes, as opposed to actual subculture initiates. It is seldom the Custom individuals who project such angst about being Stereotyped. it is often the onews so conscious about the way they are accepted (or not) that perpetuate stereotypes..

This thread has provided some study elements.. most appreciated.



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Correct me here if I'm wrong..;) ..but stereotyping, to my definition of experience (not purposely perpetuated) is based on assumptions rooted in ignorance and hear-say... while Profiling is tactile simulation of details one can take in observing a person's stance, facial expression, body language, tone of voice including accent and syntax, as well as their appearance and personal tastes that that gives clues to those who actually profile a person and not stereotype them, a better than average idea of whether or not that person is engagable or not.

The misinterpretation of such is inherent even in the adverse attempts to avoid "racial profiling" when screening passengers who board planes. Hrmm..I think it should be more appropriately called "racial stereotyping"...as a proper profile in pin-pointing possible radical terrorists would include supspicious behaviorism, facial expressions, aversion of the eyes, sweating, etc. as opposed to picking out the 90-year old bag-lady with a walker traveling with her family for a strip-search?

Worst case scenario there..you may have an Alka-Seltzer blow up in her shoe when she experiences incontinence..;)



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indiviualism through a group mentality.. almost sounds like a non sequiter dun it?

yet it works for so many..

one might say that stereotyping can work, in cetain area's.. and, to the benefit of certain individuals..



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Silver hawk well demonstrated.

A person may comew across tow groups of dark clad fringe groups in a day, one may be casually social among themselves at a glance encounter, and maybe hours later a second dark clad fringe group may be seen scowling, and scanning mockinly gesturing to others present..

if a person notable changes their pace they are not acting on stereotype but profile, yet the group is likely to smugly think they are stereotyped



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personally, by definition, I see little difference 'tween stereotyping and profiling.. after all, one can be based on the other..



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the only stereotyping i ever has was in school.. and that was being called thing no self respecting person would ever call anyone. i figured out years later that they did it to make me feel small so they could feel bad. to bad i did not know that when i was a child.. when my twin and i first started school we lived in a very small town and were loved by all. they use to say back then we were the richest poor people they knew. the stories i could tell about our time in Potter,Ne. would delight many a soul. i wish we had never had to move, but alas we did. Dad was protecting us and forgot one rule. never to let anyone that comes in the house uninvited leave after you have shot them... LOL...



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.. well written **Laughter**



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Upir you have an amazing insight. Halfway down I began wondering if I was going to have to be "that guy" in my case "that girl" in pointing out that you may not like stereotyping but it works for the most part. The trick is to believe that all stereotypes are right a good magority of the time, and you have to take it on a case to case basis or you could loose out on something wonderful. You can also use this stereotyping/profiling thing to your advantage.

Profiling/stereotyping is what I did for a living, it's sometimes the only way to catch a criminal. If the police issue a warning to the public on the news that they are looking for a suspect that is male, around 35, and african-american, and last seen in a white t-shirt and dark baggy jeans for a string of murders/muggings perpatrated at night. You can bet your bottom dollar you would clear a wide path if you saw someone in the street walking past that fit that discription. While THEY might take offence and call you a racist, do you really think that weighed against your safety you are going to care about a few people's hurt feelings?
Ana


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.. fascinating response to an inciteful fellows observations.. seems someone else sees the correlation 'tween the two. cool.



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