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What do you think of the Ouija board?

Do you think it works? Have you ever experienced anything while using a Ouija Board?

I was up at the old Arkansas Tuberculosis Sanatorium one night on a ghost tour for the red cross. A Ouija board was brought and I watched as two people attempted to use it. Now I studied them carefully and watched their hands and arms for signs of any tension and muscle spasms and sure enough, I saw it move, not because there were any spirits moving it, but because their muscles were tense. It seemed to me that the one whose muscles were tensing up was making it move while the other one (who was oblivious to everything) was going along with it because they thought it was being moved by the spirits.

I am very skeptical on this and would like to know what others think about it or any experiences they have had with it.




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I gotta tell ya, I myself am still on the fence with this one. I can tell you a real good story of a family friend who ....back in the 70's early 80's had a seemingly unfortunate experience with one of these "Ouija" boards and what was a "normal" young woman resulted in a person who was left crazed and unable to take care of herself , and committed to an insane asylum.

Who knows for sure what actually happened that day but the family totally a tests to this that is was in fact the result of her and some of her friends calling to unknown forces through the Ouija board. I could end that story with more realistic and logical endings but I will leave it to your imagination as I...like you were not there.

MY personal experiences with a Ouija board has not very eventful. Nothing happened! I felt nothing...perhaps I was not connected , perhaps this is nothing more than a childs toy. Whatever, of all the times I have been involved with a Ouija board , NOTHING happened.

While I DO have other talents...this is not one of them.



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Back in high school I had a friend whose mother would tell me stories of a Ouija board they used to have. She said that after they got it and started using it, bad things began happening and they threw it in the trash only to have it turn up in their closet. They then attempted to burn it but it showed up back in their closet again. One time they said they drove it away about 40 miles and came back home and there it was. I think they eventually let someone take it home with them.

She also seemed to have the same problem with the book, "The Magus", by Francis Barrett. She said the book couldn't be gotten rid of. So I took it and have had it ever since. :O)



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and has anything weird involving the book happened since you took possession of it



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16:42:10 Oct 26 2010
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An article I find intresting.

http://www.prairieghosts.com/ouija.html



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from experience I would warn people against the usage of Ouija boards. First if you could open a doorway, in the spiritual realm, there are possibly entities that are not friendly, that could gain access to you, friends and anyone else involved in the practice. Second, they're considered unreliable by most Occult practitioners. Third, there have been noted accounts of tradgedy occurring after the usage of those boards. I would strongly advise with a NO, because I'd not see harm come to anyone.

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19:53:20 Oct 26 2010
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so mel. please elaborate. Seams like every board whoa follows the Urban ledgend pattern.. never specificics just vaguiers



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20:12:02 Oct 26 2010
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exactly what accounts of tragedy do you refer to?



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I can personally account for one sitting, the Cursor flew out of the sitters hands, and the board flipped of the table in somewhat full view of those sitting in proximity.

Of course it was my rigged effect. Yet I found it interesting that someone who claimed to have had previous experience (with strange things happening) freaked out the most.



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23:19:14 Oct 26 2010
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Sounds interesting... I have personally never seen it work... so I am a bit skeptical... I can't say it doesn't, but I think you have to believe to an extent to get it to work also.... 'cuz like I said... never worked for me... and have attempted more than once..... but *shrugs* I don't really feel like I'm missing something, you don't here of many people talking about how the board gave them everything they wanted and more....

it's usually bad ... so it's cool.



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23:39:36 Oct 26 2010
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Oui'ja

Meaning Yes in French and German

Oui - French

Ja - German

and the "curser" as someone called it is called a Planchet.

Unless you have one that is hand made and not store bought...all you have is a piece of carboard with a sticker attached.



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my mother used to do them and she had something dark follow her for years she says... she said that she once awoke to a black mass at the foot of her bed and called her mother-in-law for guidance (after freaking out). My grandmother was about to name pages of the bible that she should read when the phone cut dead.

My friend has a room in her house dedicated to the Ouija board, and she says one day she was "talking" to on the board something and just naming people of people that were her friends. She said the name "Audrey" (another friend of mine(who happens to be Muslim and I wonder if this has any significance) and the board spelled HATE and then LEAVE. My friend said "I don't understand who do you want to leave" the board replied "Audrey" my friend said "but she isn't here" and then it just spelled back LEAVE. My friend said that one minute later the doorbell rang and it was Audrey and she was just coming by to say hi because she was in the neighborhood.

personally I haven't tried one but, the stories do seem interesting.



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i think depending on who is using it and in what instance they are sing it for it can work

i look at the ouija as just another tool

sometimes it can be used right and sometimes it can be used wrong



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14:05:24 Oct 27 2010
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It is a third party excuse to say thing, and place the blame on an "entity".



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If one is prone to be "connected"...to the other side, I doubt they really NEED a "board" or material objects to do it. For that matter you could have a board with bozo the clown on it and it could serve as a tool in the same way.

It is personal unto each ........who takes this practice seriously.

Again , just playing devils advocate......



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23:30:28 Oct 27 2010
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FateUnseen: I still have the book and there have been no strange happenings.



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TheDarkWolfman: Oui Ja yes yes.

Nowadays people are saying No No to the board.

I believe that no matter if it is hand made or a store bought parker brothers version, it all has to do with the person using it. But I am really skeptical because I haven't seen what all the hype is about. Remember the movie, "Witchboard?" When I see THAT stuff happen, I will believe.

Until then, I will look at it like I do when I am examining evidence from a ghost hunt with my group.



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Foreverseeking2: I totally agree with you here. If ones intent is strong enough , there is no need for any object to open channels.

I have yet to see honest proof of the Ouija board working



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I've heard stories about them working for others but I've tried it and nothing happened. It is simply a "yes/no" board and see now with our growing technology, we have some handy dandy devices that can literally give the ghosties a more clearer voice or sometimes Ghost Hunters uses flashlights for asking yes/no answers, and all sorts of cool gadgets. The Ouija Board is now considered old school. lol



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Thats the whole thing, of all the possible things that can be spelt, all that you here is.. "Something strange happened." I want to see video footage like a member here once said, Something being spelt out in a Language unknown by any one in the room. and relative to a spefic persons deceased.

Every testimony bares the hall marks of Urban ledgend.. "My cousins neighbor had something happen, and they told me to NEVER mess with such things."

How does something go from a Parlor game Ice Breaker to, Occult tool? People get a kick out of how freaked outt they can get others, and if freaking others can get better, it does.. by having that person pass along the freak out..

why can't it simply be a party game?



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I have personally used and witnessed being used the device on many occasions in my younger days. I can agree with both the skeptical scientific explanation and the spiritual explanation. I personally believe that yes a spirit can take control of the item and use it to speak with the living, but often the movement is created by amateur users. I have seen some very distraught things happen to people with extended use of the item, and personally keep my distance from them as I believe they attract evil if not used properly, but in the correct hand could be used as a source of good.



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I,ve had a Ouija board for a few years now but use it rarely . The majority of the time nothing major happens , most of whats spelt out seems to be total gibberish , but sometimes we,ve come across a few more coherent entities . Even then it still gets boring , you can only ask so many questions , whats your name , how old where you when you died , where did you live , and unless your willing to do the research to verify any of the information , whats the point in harassing the dead .

Twice i,ve had real stuff happen . Once when i was about 17 , me and some friends got out some really old swords that were supposedly haunted . So we decided to contact the haunting entity on the Ouija board . We sat round in my mates bed room , lit a candle and stuff . You can imagine a handful of drunk 17 year olds messing around on the Ouija board . Then there was this really big bang from down stairs . So ( crapping our pants ) we went down stairs , then the door to the room we were doing the Ouija in slammed shut and the landing lights blew and we were in total pitch black . The girls were screaming at this stage , and me and Glen tried to get back into the room , but both us us with all our strength couldn,t force the door open . After we got the lights back on we could see there was glass all over the landing , the light bulbs had exploded .

The second time , i was sat in my front room with my mate , we were doing Ouija boards allot at the time . I think we called an entity she called black eyes . Anyway the lights were flickering all night , we would ask it questions and it would answer through flickering the lights . I can,t remember what we asked it , but it got well pissed off and blew the lights in the whole house . That's the only times i,ve had anything real happen from the Ouija board .

My dad said he messed about with one when he was younger , and it locked him and his friend in the room and blew the lights and they couldn,t get out .



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See true, or not I enjoy the details. Thanks Moon Bubble



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This topic has come up on this forum so many times. What can you tell someone about what you have experienced that is somewhat unexplainable? No one knows what happens...they just have beliefs about what happens. It is merely a tool used by either the uninitiated and they follow something printed by a toy company or they use a hand made one or some other manufactured form of the same thing. Those familiar with using a divination tool will take precautions based on their belief systems about the board and how it should be done and it can vary. Usually there is some sort of cleansing and these boards are made to be used by two people, not one alone.

I am of the belief that it is far better to fashion your own just like they say personally made runes are better. You make it your own with your own personal signature to it so to speak. Now to try to explain all of that is really difficult here because quite frankly it will depend on belief systems and if you are a consummate skeptic as some are here it won't matter what is explained, it will change nothing. Here is an excerpt from a website I thought amusing but informative.:

"There are two popular theories as to how the Ouija board works. The first is the theory as supported by many spiritualists. This theory states that; spirits who have messages to give to the living communicate through the board. The second theory is the automatic theory which states that; the answers come from the subconscious mind of the person(s) guiding the planchette (this is not the same as deliberately moving the planchette). Which theory is true is unknown, which is also part of the definition of the word occult. For most it may just depend on the beliefs of the person using the board. Many studies have been conduction researching paranormal and psychic abilities, even by the US government, and yet most of this research remains classified, so you be the judge.

Another controversy that comes up with the Ouija board is whether it is good or evil. It is usually a decision that is different for each individual person and that decision is usually based on their personal or moral beliefs. My answer is that it is neither, it is a board made of wood, inanimate a simple portal; much like a door. Is your front door good or evil? It lets in people who are both good and bad, your bills and bad news come through it, but also do your family members and gifts. But do keep in mind that Spirit boards are not the tool of the devil. I'm sure that Satan has better things to do than hang around your Spirit board. Besides, everyone knows that the tool of Satan is a Phillips Screwdriver...

If you choose to work with a Ouija board, there are a few things you should know in order to keep it safe. The first thing is to limit the experiences. It should be used in intervals, preferably no more than 1-2 hours a week. It is not recommended to work alone, but make sure your partner is someone you trust. Always be positive, you're going to attract the same kind of vibes you send out. As far as protection goes, if you are a Wiccan you will want to cast a circle before using the Ouija board, and naturally close it afterwards. If you are Christian you might want to keep a bible or a rosary close at hand. The importance in keeping your protective symbols close is that it keeps your reading focused and directed and if you feel safe you will also feel empowered. Most importantly, if you feel anything threatening or evil say goodbye and put the board up immediately. When you feel reasonably safe you should then cleanse your board to banish any negative imprints."

http://www.squidoo.com/ouijaseance

Spiritualists I have worked with will generally say a generic prayer over the boards and will envision the white light surrounding them which they term the "Christ Light" even though they aren't exactly Christian but more universal in thought. Various things like that depending on the background they have. I haven't had any bad experiences meaning to spell it out, no entity has threatened me, nothing flew around the room and nothing said it was evil and I did not see dark shapes around my house that smelled like poop. We cleansed the board and I have used various boards with other people on a table and between two chairs. It is ideal to have the board physically touching the two using it. Again it is that personal signature. They don't and never have scared me and I go in with no preconceived ideas including negative religious ones. I rarely use one anymore although I have one in my closet. I am no longer interested in using them, not to say I might not at one time or another. We also used a person to write down all the letters because ours would move so quickly we couldn't read it while in use. The person I used the board with most often is another trance medium who was actively trancing, I was not but I can. I just didn't see the need for me to, so many others wanted to perform that function. I just didn't like it and I don't know why. I didn't think of it as evil I was just into too many things really. I won't say you might not get negative responses, but just as people can be nasty in life, their personalities don't necessarily change...always the practical jokers. You can keep most of that out, you just tell them to leave if they get past your precautions...never had much trouble with anything like that in over 40 years. I feel that people who do didn't use the board correctly and kind of brought it on themselves and it wouldn't matter what tool they were using whether it was this or a pendulum or something else they might have a bad experience. IMHO



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I've used one several times, alone, and got nothing. Once with friends it moved, but then again I think that someone was forcing it to move and the rest of us just went along. We got a good laugh when it spelled out "crotch"...lol.



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In my mind I know the board to be a hoax and I was really devastated when I found out and I wanted to research because I was so fascinated by it. I found it hard to believe for quite some time even though the facts were smacking me in the face. Sadly most people don't research and just go by urban myth or Hollywood as being the truth.

Most boards can be bought in toy shops or online, I think there is even a interactive board

I have made and sold many boards and bought a few. The board can be operated by one person by using a pendulum.

The deliberate moving of the planchette of course happens, not in all cases but I have seen this done on many occasions.

Then one only needs to look at ideo-motor response which as far as I am concerned explains how the board/pendulum operates, unless some new evidence materialises

As I have mentioned to Mollidew I am looking into a device that is called franks Box or it is also known as a telephone to the dead.


Franks spirit receiver starts off with a standard white noise generator which is fed through a random voltage circuit of Franks own design. The random voltage is linked to an AM radio receiver which reacts to the voltage by tuning to a specific spot on the radio dial. This is known as voltage tuning and is a common function of late 80s and early 90s radio receivers. Though various radio stations are turned in for a split second every so often along with regular static, the devices also allows the spirits to interact with the device and create their own vocals through the receiver and for lack of a better term, talk through the device.

(From Ghost Tech)

The device can be bought for about £180 or $300 so it's not cheap.

Mollidew none of the studies of the board are classified as far as I am aware. This is what we are writing about, not the broadness of paranormal and psychic abilities.

The truth is out there!



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16:39:01 Nov 04 2010
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I dunno if OuiJa means YesYes....
because the "JA" sounds more like "Ge"
and in German... the "JA" sounds like "Ya"

so if it was meant to be German...
wouldn't it be called a "Oui-Ya"?

I think there is another language involved...
it's not common for something to be based off another
language and not have a similar pronunciation...

One of the first mentions of the automatic writing method used in the Ouija board is found in China around 1100 BC.... it could be the reason the pronunciation is so odd... because This tool was not made in either France or Germany....and I know that Wikipedia says it is a combination of those words... but that would make little to no sense as it was first found in China [and Wikipedia has been known to be a source of changing and wrong information as well]... and therefore would most likely have a Chinese based name that was slightly altered...



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Some things in Wikipedia can be wrong but they are pretty careful about citations and look at the list of references on what is said and check those.

Ouija Board is a registered trademark. It is a term for one specific board just like the word Kleenex is used routinely. It is really facial tissues because Kleenex is a registered trademark...a trade name of a facial tissue brand and Ouija is a tradename of one board, not all that have ever existed. When you get right down to it I have read of people who explain away hypnotism and say it is fraudulent and the whole field of hynotherapy even if it does have a history. If someone chooses to explain away something they will, but it doesn't mean it is the truth just because someone says it is scientific and can supply studies and even people saying it is so. Most of these people have degrees but they are usually certain factions who for one reason or another take a dislike to something usually for religious reasons quite frankly. You have to remember many still don't accept parapsychology as a field of study and vampirologist isn't an academic title but people use it.

Here is a pretty good article:

From the International Parapsychology Research Foundation.

OUIJA® Board

The History
by Shawn McKenzie
http://www.iprfinc.com/ouija.html

The history of the OUIJA® Board is not precisely accurate as to actual recorded dates, or its actual origin. Much of its history is claimed and rumored. For instance, it is claimed that the French Spiritualist M. Planchette in 1853 invented the Board’s planchette that today slides around the smooth surface on felt tipped legs. However there is no record of any Spiritualist named M. Planchette, well known or otherwise, however the word “planchette” in French means “little plank” or “board.” This device was also named before “little plank” as “little basket”, and before that as “little table”. There have been many claims that the OUIJA® Board evolved from table tipping, where the table tipped or “rapped” on the floor a number of times to indicate a letter in the alphabet. This was a long and tedious process to spell a single word. Then the Mediums started using Alphabet Pasteboards in 1848. Here the Medium would move their hand over the letters until by divine intuition their fingers came to rest above one of the letters. It was soon after that the first planchette came into play. It was a heart shaped device with a pencil (or other writing device) at the tip. The Medium would rest his hand on the planchette and the device would move around to write out the letters. But even this method was considered too sloppy and hard to read. Some found it easier to remove the planchette and use only the pencil. However many believed it crucial to use the correct equipment in order to properly contact the spirit world. It was sometime in the1850’s that the “Dial Plate” or “Psychographs” were invented.

The Psychograph was a metal wheel with letter and numerals on it, along with “yes”, “no”, and “goodbye”. There were many variations of this device, with spinning wheels and moving needles that pointed to the proper letter or number while some portion of the device was in contact with the Medium (one version the Medium had to move their fingers in the direction the wheel moved in order to maintain connection with the communicating spirit.). This device was briefly on the market, but American and European toy companies kept pushing use of the Planchette, most likely because they were easer and cheaper to make as well as simple to use. In the end it would take seven men with very different backgrounds to put the first “talking board” into nearly every home in America. Charles Kennard, Harry Wells Rusk, Colonel Washington Bowie, Elijha J. Bond, William H.A. Maupin, E.C. Reiche, and William Fauld pooled their land resources and money to create the Kennard Novelty Company of Baltimore Maryland. They were all risk takers willing to try something new, and they were also Free Masons. William Fauld was not head of the company at that time, and most of the Patents were filed under Charles Kennard’s name, so it is hard to determine who the father of the OUIJA® board truly was. Fauld’s family and the Bowie family insist it was William, and it was known that William was filled with inventions and improvements, so it could very well be true. The Board was designed and marketed around 1890, and by 1891 it was selling rather well. The original Patent filed under Bond’s name was refilled with an improvement to the board on February 18, 1891 as the “Talking Board”. This version was much like the Dial Plates where the movable piece was fixed on one end and could swing in an arc to point at the letters, numbers or words. This was Charles Kennard’s final act with the Company. Kennard was shortly removed from the company (it was said he was not a wise business man) by being voted out. Bowie became the manager and Fuld the supervisor. The Company was moved and became the “OUIJA® Novelty Company” in 1892. On July 19, 1892 William Fuld had his first OUIJA® Board patent in his name. His new patent added a strange new layout to the board, as well as the “finger” or movable piece in the talking board. By 1898 William realized that he could not devote all of his time to the toy company while maintaining his Customs job, so he brought in his brother Isaac Fuld as a partner. In 1901 they had a falling out that would result in a long battle over control of the talking board, which would cause William to fight to keep his OUIJA® Board as the authentic version and top seller. Later his brother Isaac created his own version of the board and William took him to court. Isaac claimed he did not violate the law because his movable piece used rollers instead of felt tipped legs. However to date no sample of the rolling table has been found. William changed the company name to William Fuld Manufacturing Company during 1905 to 1907.

William applied for another Patent improving the talking boards January 24, 1914. By this time William had claimed to use the OUIJA® himself to reports, stating the Board told him to be prepared for big business. After building a three story building to accommodate his new production in 1918, the gamble paid off. By 1919 William filed another Patent which revolutionized the movable piece of his game. In 1924 William quit his customs position and dedicated his full time to his OUIJA®.

In 1920 the Baltimore Talking Board company came into the legal spotlight, run by Charles Cahn and Gilbert Michael. They had no connection to William Fuld’s company but must have leased the right to use the name OUIJA®. They claimed that the talking board was a spiritual tool and not a game or sporting good, and therefore should not be taxed as such. They took the IRS to court (Strangely enough with Bowie Jr. represented them, the same who always represented William Fuld in Court.) and it was ruled that the board was not a spiritual tool, and therefore OUIJA® Boards were considered taxable. In 1919 Fuld extended his patents giving his talking board the trademark “Mystifying Oracle®”, and “WE-JA®”. He also manufactured OUIJA® jewelry and Oil for rheumatism.

On February 24, 1927 disaster struck. William was on the roof of his three story building when a flag pole needed to be repaired. He fell backwards off the back of the building, catching himself momentarily on a window’s ledge, then fell to the ground. His wounds were minor with but a few bruises, broken bones and a concussion, but during the trip to the Hospital one of his broken ribs slipped and pierced his heart. William’s children took over the company, and his son William A Fuld applied for a patent on a newer version of the OUIJA® board. His Patent was granted on April 9, 1932 for the electrically equipped Mystifying Oracle®. The Invention could have revolutionized the talking boards, but it was made of metal and cost three times the amount of the original board. The movable Planchette would spark light as it made contact and rolled across the surface. The Depression made it impossible for people to spend their money frivolously and the Electric Mystifying Oracle® didn’t sell well. After a year of lowered sales, the remaining boards were melted down.

By 1940 there was a renewed interest in the board. William A Fuld renewed his Patents and improvements to give us the OUIJA® we see today. Other companies came out with their own versions of the board with colorful graphics and designs, but be it through disinterest or a declining market, they all folded to the Fulds. The Fulds relocated their company two more times, the heirs continuing to renew their Trademarks and Patents. Then OUIJA® sales climbed again, and the Fulds were approached by Robert Barton of Parker Brothers. On February 23, 1966 the Fulds no longer had any association to the OUIJA®, and Hasbro Inc. now owns the Trademarks OUIJA® and Mystifying Oracle®.

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The words “Salem Mass.” appear on the older boards as Parker Brothers bought the rights while shifting its facilities to Salem Massachusetts. The designing and manufacture of the original boards were started in early to mid 1800’s in Baltimore Maryland and did not move to Salem Massachusetts until the mid to late 1960’s. This version of the board changed by the early 1970’s.

The OUIJA® Board

The Tool

I received my first OUIJA® board when I was six years old. It was originally my Great Grandmother’s board, one that she had bought when my Great Grandfather died. My Great Grandmother during her last few weeks of healthy life had wheeled my younger brother and I into her bedroom on her wheel chair and promised us any one thing that we could take home. My brother came out with a figurine made of hand blown glass, but when I went in, my eye spotted something that was unexpected.

It leaned up against the bedroom wall, the back side facing my view. A long rectangular box with writing I couldn’t even read yet. As soon as we entered the room, I pointed my finger at it. “I want that.” There was a time of debate and explanation, the only reason I went home with that board was because she had made a promise. She didn’t even know how the board had found its way out of the closet and into her room. She claimed it was at the bottom of the closet buried beneath everything else, and that she herself hadn’t used it for several years. It took all summer for my brother and I to finally get it to work, which was surprising since the house we grew up in was Haunted. It was slow in responding, and its spelling was rarely accurate. It was phonetic in the spelling of its words and the meanings to its answers. So it took us more time just to learn how to understand it.

Within two years of practice we had half of the kids in a square block coming over to use the Board. Before each session I would repeat the rules to everyone that my Great Grandmother gave me, rules which she told me were to always be followed. If properly used there shouldn’t be any trouble, but to always remember, there was always a chance something could go wrong no matter how cautious or how strongly the rules were followed.

The Rules

Never use the Board alone. Always have at least one other person with you, and face each other if at all possible. The reason for this was to be sure there would be enough combined energy to handle a bad situation if one should occur. The reason for facing each other was so that the Users could focus upon the other in order to keep their energies working together. Also never have too many people involved, this could allow for too many varying attitudes and energies which could generate confusion and produce poor results.

Always be serious. Do not play games with the spirit or spirits you make contact with, even if they have a sense of humor. There could be a chance the spirit may be playing with you instead of the other way around.

Never yell, demand, insult, or make fun of the spirit. To do otherwise may anger the spirit and make for a bad session.

Always treat the spirit with respect. Regardless of the type of spirit or session, always treat it with respect. Some of the dearly departed still carry human baggage from their former life, and for the most part still behave in a human emotional manner. This also helps maintain a favorable session with possible future favorable sessions. The last thing you want is for a spirit to hold a grudge.

Never believe everything a spirit tells you. Sometimes a spirit may be happy to have some kind of contact, especially one that’s wandering or lonely. It may not know the answer to your question and worry that if it says doesn’t know, you will send it away. So the spirit may lie in order to keep the session going. Also you may have a spirit who thinks it fun to mislead you, either as a joke or out of malice. Remember that not all spirits know the answers, some less than others, and some may not even care. Some will tell you what you want to hear, or lure you into continually re-contacting it so it can “feed” off the energy being produced from the session.

Always get a spirit’s name, or one that it will answer to. This isn’t always a reliable rule, but it helps the spirit to know if you are calling it or another. If a spirit doesn’t have a name, then give it one so that your own energy will focus on either that particular spirit next time, or on a different one. It is the focus of the people’s minds during a session that directs the energy towards its purpose.

Ask only one question at a time. Don’t confuse the spirit by asking it more than one question at a time as this could agitate the spirit and cause for an unfavorable session, or cause the spirit to stop communicating all together. It is best to have the person who is “in charge” of the session to ask the questions.

Designate one person to be in charge. Always have one person who is “in charge”. It’s easier for the spirit to know who to reply to and avoids conflict with those in the session trying to make decisions or ask questions. This is the person who calls to the spirit and then when the session is over, asks the spirit to leave until the next time. Others working the board may quietly offer up questions to be asked or give ideas, but only one person should “control” the board.

These are the basic rules that were given to me, and they worked well for the last thirty-five years. However as my own experience using the board grew, I found other rules and methods that enhanced the experience of Board use.

Prepare for the session in advance. Following the above rules, it is best to have one person in charge. However it is reasonable to designate someone else to ask the questions. The person “in charge” makes the initial contact then states to the spirit that one other person will ask the questions, and that the spirit should try to answer the questions as truthfully as possible. Also it should be stated that it is ok for the spirit to say it doesn’t know the answer if it in fact does not know. It is also easier if the questions are thought of ahead of time and written down, adding last minute after thoughts once the list is completed. It is also best to have at least three people (and no more than five) involved in the session.

Two to four people handling the Planchette, and one to write down the answers. The person “in charge” should be the one to call off each letter or number to the person keeping record regardless who is asking the question.

Never keep a session going too long. Even if you have never had a bad experience with the Board, it is always best to anticipate the chance of a bad session. This could include a spirit who tries to keep things going too long to allow it time to establish a stronger connection for its own purposes, and it helps prevent the break-down of discipline among the people involved with the session. I have found that fifteen to thirty minutes at a time to be best. Even if you have more questions, you should tell the spirit it is time to leave for a while, and then take at least thirty minutes to “regroup”. This helps maintain focus with the people involved as well as maintaining some measure of control over the sessions.

Always discharge / dismiss the spirit at the end of the session. This is a basic rule which was not listed above, however I am listing the method of dismissal here based off what I have found to work best for me. The person “in charge” ends the session politely but firmly. The spirit is told that “we” have to go now, and that “they” (the spirit) has to leave for now until called again. Others involved with the session should either nod or say “yes” in agreement (again politely) and the spirit should be thanked for communicating with the group regardless how the session went. Once “goodbye” is spoken and the Board replies “goodbye” as well, the Planchette is removed from the board and the board put aside or away. If the spirit does not want to go it must be stressed (respectfully and politely) that it is time to leave. If for some reason the spirit refuses to leave do not argue or try to convince it, just end the session with the last “goodbye” and put the board aside. In a case like that it may be best not to use it again until the next day.

Things to Remember

Always treat the spirit as you want to be treated. I have found this to work quite well, and though I have had some “over active” sessions, I do not feel I have had a bad one. If you think as a spirit as being a person as far as its “feelings” and treat it with respect, you shouldn’t have too many issues. Every spirit is different as every person is different, some may require more care than others.

Do not use the Board while intoxicated or under the influence of drugs. These things not only weaken your energy but can attract bad results. Also never use the Board while angry or depressed, as this too could attract a not so favorable spirit.

No matter how experienced or how well you follow whatever rules, something could go wrong. There is no such thing as an “Expert” in this area. Anything can go wrong no matter how prepared one may be. Anticipate and plan for such an event. Such an event could include a spirit attaching itself to the Board, in which case the board needs to be discarded or destroyed, and a new one to take its place (if one is still inclined to use the Board as a tool).

There are many stories about the OUIJA® Board, most I have heard are usually bad or filled with strong warnings. I have spoken to several people who have also stated they have never had a bad experience using one. A few people who have never used the Board have told me they think it’s the “Devil’s” work, and its “evil” and no good can come from it. However in some cases this can be a similar attitude as the Romans had about other cultures’ belief systems, that if it wasn’t their own, then it was pagan, or evil, and according to some cultures even Christianity is considered evil. It is my opinion that the Board is definitely not for everyone to use, especially for those with the idea that it is evil. Such opinions would most likely produce the exact results they expect because they know it will happen (or want it to) and then their belief is justified. One’s intentions and focus, as well as beliefs generate an attitude that will focus the energy while using the Board to produce a result based from that focus. The best attitude if using the Board is to remain neutral and open minded, yet cautious and aware.

During the many years I used the Board I paid attention to my surroundings as well as to how the Planchette moved and spelled out the words. Each spirit has its own personality and traits just as we do, and sometimes even motives similar to human ones. After a while I was able to sense the energy of the presence and learned to separate the different presences by how it not only made my body feel, but what comparisons the presence’s caused my mind to make with my own memories and images that I relate to and that have meaning to me. I was able to know if a spirit was angry, cruel, sad or happy or just being playful because the presence stirred similar emotions (though not always exact) in myself. I then compared the presences’ energies to what I sensed with people, combining the signature movements of the Planchette as to human ‘body language’ in order to get an idea if I was being lied to or not. After a time I didn’t have to use the Board to know if there was a spirit about, or what personality type it was and soon I could even sense what its motivations might be. So even though I was able to sense things as a small child, the board actually helped me to focus what ability I may have had, and exercise it so that it got stronger. After that I went on to other methods to make contact to the other side, eventually coming to the conclusion that science can not only detect and record (based from a lot of research) spiritual presences, but could also prove such presences do indeed exist.

Medical science convinced me that science can prove the existence of spirits. The energy of the human body can be detected, measured and recorded, same as brain waves. Not only that, but these recordings can then be interpreted to bring about a physical diagnosis. Later it was shown that the human mind can will events to happen, or send thoughts to another. Some people willed themselves to live many years beyond a diagnosis that gave no hope for survival, healing cancer or other wounds beyond typical explanation. Then the actual study of the paranormal came about, where sounds and voices mysteriously appeared on tape and film when no one has heard or seen them in the room. As the interest grew and technology advanced, even more evidence became available.

The trend of using the Board wore off by the time I was thirty years old. I still have two of my own which I made by hand with my own specifications based off my own experiences and needs.

Occasionally I still use the Board, but less every year. Its not due to any bad experience or even boredom, its simply that after a while any tool that is used no longer can do for someone what it did when it was first used. Sooner or later you need to find a new tool or better one that can get you to your destination, or add a tool to give better results. I have used the Board for a total of thirty six years, and in the last five of those have been using science to help gather evidence of what the Board helped reveal. Perhaps soon science will take over my even occasional use of the Board, or any of the other tools I have used or may still use. On the other hand sometimes the simpler the science the better the result. Too much technology can just as easily get in the way of desired results as well.

The best tool to choose is the one that fits you and your own abilities, but never rule out the possibility that another’s tool can be just as effective for what it was designed for. Science can bring together the feasibility and potential of the ‘archaic’ methods as well as prove itself to be equal if not in most cases more efficient, and it can offer evidence.

My note: Some say the entities are from lower levels of the astral plane which "could" mean people are talking to others during astral traveling and they aren't really dead at all, hahaha...only a theory of course.



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The three paragraphs I posted was the opinion of the author who wrote it and not mine. I am not aware of what the governments have classified and why, because that would be classified. She feels there is a conspiracy I would guess but she had some good things to say. I said it was amusing as well as informative. Everyone has opinions who deal with the occult and they differ greatly and even by some who consider themselves to be scientific.

Does the board work, I think so and I think the person's unconscious might be involved and it may control the movement but for it to be mindless involuntary movement I don't agree because I have done this on numerous occasions and the planchette moved so quickly I couldn't read it. We had someone taking down the letters and we divided the words afterward. We did tell them when we were stopping and bid them farewell. We usually only spoke to one entity/person. I don't believe in demons so I would have never classified anything by those words. It was interesting but I wouldn't spend hours in this pursuit.

I don't personally see why it seems to garner so much debate. There are sides that have lined up with various viewpoints and nothing will change that so what can be said about it? Either you are for it or against but the ins and outs of whether it works or not to me is still in the area of belief and has not unequivocally been ruled out or proven by any major scientific group. Just those that may have taken an interest in that. Personally I find it a frivolous pursuit to go on a mission to prove something is faulty of this nature. Spiritualism is considered a religion so it is the same as saying the Bible is a fraud to me. Usually it will be people who have that conclusion prior to any study they may institute. It's been my experience that generally this is the case. The board I was using was not made by a toy company and was old and it was round and hand designed. It's a spirit board. I do own the other but most often I was using a wooden board of this type with another person.



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I don't personally see why it seems to garner so much debate.

Because someone asked to know our opinions and experiences, which means very few of us will come to an agreement about the topic. My experiences with Ouija boards have led me to believe that there is very little mystical or spiritual about them, but I like them anyway.


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That article was god-awful long....

...but I have to agree... I have had little to no luck with the boards also...and I have never really heard of them telling people very good information.... I've heard of tons of bad things happening....

and sometimes when people speak of good.... it's always very generic....like the board will say "prepare for new" or "your family will grow" well DUH....If i wanted a generic piece of crap, I would have just settled for a fortune cookie.



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I don't believe that generic objects are doors of any kind. The human body however, contains an absolute energy providing a portal to everything unknown. The use of a Ouija board offers an opportunity for an opening, but only if that person's energy is susceptible to the opposing energy....



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Theban: Yes the Franks Box is an interesting gadget. We have one that we use frequently. Of course, we don't have an original, just one made from schematics but it works well. We have a few big speakers that we have everything running through and it hooks to am on one channel and fm on another running simultaneously. You would be surprised at some of the things you hear.



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Azuredark, interesting that you say you know of people who state that hypnotism is fraudulent and you use that as an example for your argument for the validity of the board.

The difference is there is ACTUAL documented medical proof that hypnotism has been been very successful many times, where as the board hasn't any! If you would like me to send you the links to the books and medical documentation which span many years with the evidence then all you need to do is ask. Also I use the term board to cover all of the boards from the talking/spirit to the Ouija. The basis is the same thing as far as I am concerned.

I love playing with my boards lol and would not part with the ones that I hold dear to me for love or money.

The reason why it garners so much debate (Love that expression) is because of peoples interest and my own and as Thoth stated because the question was asked. The evidence and facts so far point to it being the person's unconscious which is responsible for the planchettes movement.

As far as I am concerned whether that is a deliberate movement or a subconscious movement it depends on who is operating the board and the morals of that individual or individuals. The pendulum operates in the same way.

It's Ideo-motor-responce.

NamaahFelenora I am very surprised at what I hear, I also don't have the original, but I have a variation of the original.



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ok perhaps a handmade board would be more acredited than one that you simply pick up at toys r Us. To me if I can pick it up in a toy store and on the game board aisle then thats what it is.

With that being said I have played on a very old hand made quija board and had very interesting results. Nothing conclusive.



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What a interesting thread. Ouija Board, as someone already specified must be hand made. During the invocation of the spirits, all the participant must believe and follow the invocation without interruption. Many people, during an invocation, let their imagination get ahead of any event the may occur. Do you believe, that those spirit want to connect with someone who is using a sarcastic approach to the seance? The answer is no. I own a Ouija and I do respect it and treat it like a window into the unknown.



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I just wanted to comment and say that I loved reading all of your commens here. I personally have never even seen a board other than on tv but I would like to to get y own opinion on the matter.I'llkeep a watch on this thread.



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I am sceptical myself. i wonder if its the subconscious mind of the people using the bards or if they are moving it. I have used the board by myself in the past and it did spell out several things but I wonder if its my own subconscious mind doing it or if i really made contact with someone.



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Personal thought - even if the use of the Ouija board is driven by your subconscious, that may still be beneficial as the subconscious rarely can get any feedback to the conscious, yet it is proven to pick up so much more information. A message from the subconscious to our "waking mind" can potentially be just as important or awakening as those from another entity.

Just sayin'.



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Bluspirit,

That is why the boards make such a fantastic party icebreaker.

it offers the participants a chance to anonymously introduce pent up info.

yet some are not prepared to allow such lose of rigid held info (gossipers fear the board).



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I love ouija boards and do believe in them.
I have never moved it myself, either. And that is the truth.

One time when we were at a party, my friend pulled the board out... we had a few laughs with it, and supposedly met this girl named Jane. She was 23... wore a blue blouse and white pants.
When we got home from the party, my sister opened a box that she hasn't opened in a few months to ut her candy away. In the box was a note that said:

Jane
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i own one...i use it for decoration in my "gothic" room. ive played with them, but ive never had any luck at all with anything happening.
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Dabs,

I completely agree. The few times I have used a board myself, I am fairly certain that one of the group was moving it. Perhaps not intentionally, but moving it just the same.

For one friend, it gave her an out for following through with a difficult decision.

But, there is nothing wrong with using it in my opinion, whether you are attempting to commune with spirits and other entities, or just using it as a tool for meditation.

I would just recommend exercising caution on both parts. I believe that, as far as entities go, there is still much we don't understand, hence the need for caution.

And, for meditation, there are a lot of people out there that cannot admit truth to themselves. Sometimes meditations can open up these unwanted truths, and that can be devastating if one isn't prepared.

"Never underestimate the power of denial." ~ American Beauty



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I have used both a cardboard one and a wooden one and all the negative stuff happened with the wooden one it was scary but i must note the person i used it with was purposely trying to envoke negative spirits



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I am a firm believer in Ouija boards. My Ouija board tried to "eat" me once. Summer of 09, my friends &&I were having a fire &&decided to break out the board...I don't know who we were talking to but whoever it was was feeding off of me. I couldn't remove my finger from the planchette, &&though it was a very mild night [[read: warm enough that I was only wearing a tank top &&jeans]] cold travelled from my finger up my arm until I was freezing. It felt like I was standing butt naked in the middle of a blizzard. My teeth were chattering &&according to my friends, my lips were turning blue. When Ryder touched my arm, it felt like he had put a white hot branding iron on me, so great was the tempurature difference. In his words, I felt like I was made of ice. Since then, I have yet to use a Ouija board....needless to say, I'm a bit paranoid now lol



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I've used it once with a few friends. All we got was gibberish. We were at an old abandoned crematorium. I am still skeptical about any results, but do think like any tool should respect the fact that something bad could be done with it. We had a hard core skeptic in our group and he could have been throwing things off. He was being completely negative. I'd probably be willing to try it again, but never with him. He had no respect for the possibility of something happening. Was actively trying to get an angry response. Eventually my friend and I called it off and never took him with us again.



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22:19:52 Nov 18 2010
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I am a firm believer that you should never at all use an ouija board. it is a gateway to things we do not understand and if we were to let somthing lose that would be on our conscious. plus, they are never properly tested so we do not kno to the extreme that they can be used or should be used. that is my take on this. if you were to use one, you should only use one under supervision



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18:24:28 Nov 19 2010
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i believe the Ouija board only works depending on if that person who is using said Ouija board "BELIEVES" it is working so in lack of a better term it is relative to only the single person or persons who are using said board.



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23:20:07 Nov 21 2010
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i believe that this ring i wear (Found in cracker jack box) lets me move things with my brain thing. sometimes it doesnt work, but other times it convinces other people to move them for me, especially if i ask them to. I love this ring thing. best 5 dollars i spent since yesterday.
If enough people supported my ring thing, it'd be just as dangerous as your board thing.



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23:55:27 Nov 21 2010
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I've seen some pretty weird things happen around ring things.

My friend says ring things are not toys.



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00:04:02 Nov 22 2010
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The human sub-conscious mind can make you see and feel things that aren't there.If you believe hard enough that the planchette moved without human touch,it did.

Anything is possible, if you think it is.



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00:58:33 Nov 22 2010
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Then, it is completely possible that it is all in there mind, as in a delusion



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01:40:29 Nov 25 2010
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Now this is good.

Some people even use the coin or glass as the sort of pointer for it - and some have even been possessed by the (supposed) summon spirit.

I haven't tried it though - but maybe soon - when I'll have enough guts to do it..hah!

(How do you pronounce it by the by? Some pronounce it as WEE-JA and some WEE-GEE..kinda confusing really.)



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06:04:48 Nov 25 2010
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Shiz, that took off quite nicely. I'm selling these super dangerous ring things for 5 bucks a pop. 10 bucks and i'll customize it for you using my insane voodoo engraving skills, (With my haunted engraver, *shudder* )


Personally i love the thought that it's a shared delusion brought about by everyone wanting it.
Once my dad was at a party where everyone was stoned, and he convinced everyone that if they focused on the candle long enough, they could make it go out. Everyone (10 plus people) were standing around the candle focusing on making it go out while he and his cohort stole their booze. around 5 min later they left, the candle having burned out on it's own.
The amount of energy it'd take to make a planchette move wouldnt come from just a couple people, especially considering that even in (albeit the serious) TK crowds, it is said that the amount of energy needed to levitate a teacup is also enough to make a group of people turn around halfway across the world via Ping (Telepathic shout-out)



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09:37:06 Nov 26 2010
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A lot of guts, or a lot of stupidity. When I lived up north, I was using one with some of my friends. Well word got around [[the town was like 400 people big....lol]] &&people started calling me a witch &&whatnot. Then a group of rednecks said they were going to go to the lake &&play the Ouija board, they had a fire &&were saying how they were going to burn it. I don't know if they actually did, but THAT is just plain stupid.



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14:28:59 Nov 26 2010
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used the ouija board when was a teenager and in my early 20s but at 25 got rid of it when discovered my son who was at 2 found where I kept it hidden and was playing with it driving his hot wheels all over it and building bridges using my 3 decks of tarot cards

Nothing really bad happened when I used it but then made sure was protected the way I was taught from a old friend {grandmother to one of my classmates}who taught me to use it and the tarot cards she gave me the board and my first deck so wasn't one from Parker brothers but one she used when she first learned same with the deck
The oujia board is not a toy and should be not treated as one and if using one then protect yourself cause you never know if a not so nice spirit demon will try to escape by following the spirit you are calling on or pretend to be that spirit



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