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Anneliese Michel (September 21, 1952 – July 1, 1976) was a Catholic woman from Germany who was said to be possessed by six or more demons and subsequently underwent an exorcism. Two motion pictures, The Exorcism of Emily Rose and Requiem are based on Anneliese's story.

Anneliese experienced what is recognized by medical professionals as severe psychiatric disturbances from the age of 16 to her death, at age 23, as a direct or indirect result of an exorcism ritual. Both priests who performed the exorcism and Anneliese's parents were convicted of manslaughter. The Catholic Church, which had authorized the exorcism, reversed its position and declared Anneliese Michel a case of mental illness. Many people, however, still believe she was genuinely possessed by demons, and her grave-site is a destination for pilgrims to this day.


i also found a link to an audio of her exocism

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=103928

my question is do u think this was a true case of demon possesion.?




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Psychiatric treatment and exorcism
A stay at an unnamed psychiatric hospital did not improve Anneliese’s health. Moreover, she began to suffer from depression. Having centered her life around devout Catholic faith, Anneliese began to attribute her condition to demonic possession. She grew increasingly frustrated with medical intervention as it did not improve her condition. Long-term medical treatment proved unsuccessful; her condition, including her depression, worsened with time. Anneliese became intolerant of sacred places and objects, such as the crucifix, which she attributed to her own demonic possession. Throughout the course of the religious rites Anneliese underwent, she took powerful psychotropic drugs prescribed to her by her doctors. Below is the timetable of her medical treatment based on information from F. Goodman’s research.

June 1970 Anneliese suffered a third seizure at the psychiatric hospital she had been staying in and was prescribed her first anticonvulsant. The name of this drug is not known and it did not bring about any immediate alleviation of Anneliese's symptoms; she also continued to talk of what she called "devil faces" seen by her on varying times of the day. Anneliese became convinced that conventional medicine was of no help as it did not make her feel better in the least. Growing increasingly adamant that her illness was of a spiritual kind, she appealed to the Church to perform an exorcism on her. Although she was fervent about the potential help that an exorcism could offer her, Anneliese was denied by the Church. The same month she was prescribed another anticonvulsant, Aolept (periciazine), which raises the convulsion threshold of the nervous system.

In November 1973 Anneliese started her treatment with Tegretol (carbamazepine), which, according to Physicians Desk Reference, should not be prescribed to women of childbearing age due to its dangerous effect on red blood cells. Anneliese took this medicine frequently, until shortly before her death, when she was unable to swallow anything.

During the treatment, Anneliese's parents turned to the local church for a cure, inquiring of different priests if they would perform an exorcism on their daughter. They all refused because the Roman Ritual, which governs exorcisms, is very specific regarding the proof that is required to establish a possession. The idea that she was possessed was first recognised by a local parish priest, Father Ernst Alt, known as a specialist in exorcism, ultimately making the way for the exorcism request for Anneliese being eventually approved by the bishop of Würzburg, Josef Stangl, in September 1975. Bishop Stangl appointed Pastor Arnold Renz to carry out the traditional rites of exorcism with the help of Father Ernst Alt. Eleven months before she died, the medical treatment of Anneliese stopped and the rites of exorcism began, which were carried out secretly in the bedroom of her parent's home during one-hour sessions. Demons who possessed Anneliese Michel allegedly claimed to have been the demons who posessed Judas Iscariot, Nero, Cain, and Adolf Hitler as well as the spirits Belial and Legion.1 and Lucifer himself.

On July 1, 1976 Anneliese Michel died in her sleep. She had predicted that she would be liberated from the demons on this day. At midnight, Anneliese ceased her raging. Exhausted but peaceful, she finally went to sleep and never woke up. According to Physicians Desk Reference, taking Tegretol may cause epileptic obnubilation, (a lowered level of consciousness with loss of ability to respond properly to external stimuli) with fever and hypoxemia (lack of oxygen in blood). Anneliese had all these symptoms, which gave rise to the theory that the cause of death was suffocation.

The autopsy report, however, said that her death was caused by the malnutrition and dehydration that resulted from almost a year of semi-starvation during the rites.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anneliese_Michel



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Yes a very sad case, I have read this before....and yes seen the film.

I think the hardest part is geting past the hype.

Personally I don't argue with what was on the death certificate of this poor woman.



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Great topic btw...i have read much about this women after i saw the emily rose movie...its soo hard to say.....i think she has geninually possesed..but i wasnt there and i dont really kno much about her life and im not really sure about the incidents leading up to her possesion..but also it could be a mental case, but also didnt they have her on meds?..and nothing really helped right...and the audio of her possesion sounds like it was real...but i think it depends on peoples prospective....and im myne i believe she was possesd but there are sum links to this incident that im not quite sure about



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I never heard anything about it before thanks for posting this thread! I definitely going to look more into it.



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i really do think that this women could have been possiesed by demons but like others have said wasnt there and i really didnt know the women.



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Like xxbluebloodxx I didn't ever read up to much on her. But it is very interesting thread and I am gonna read more into it.



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i dont know much about this, but the thought that she was truely possessed seems unlikely to me....



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The concept of possession is more fundamental to western and eastern religious thought than it is given due credit for... this is a very interesting case for its insight into the significance of possession and of exorcism...



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I think she would have been better suited in a hospital with medical professionals, and that her case has probably been flowered up like Amityville... a case of an idiot and not demons.



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I didn't know anything about her but I saw the movie.. It was a great one.. Now that I know who the movie is really about I'll read more and find out more about this because it is really interesting



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I saw a documentory here on Canal D, its a channel that show documentory of all kinds and it s was about the paranormal, they check everthing then analyse to see if it was or not supernatural. And in this case both answer would be right.



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I believe that this could have been demon possesion, i also think that a lot of the people that are in mental facilities are also possesed...



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I saw the documentary on this but really haven't heard much about it



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I think that the film K-PAX is the antithesis of annelise michel... the final scenes are quite chilling when looked at from this angle.....



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The anagram of Anneliese Michel, that is the letters in her name can be mixed up to spell out " I can see hell in me." Take her name write it down and you'll see it matches right to the very letter. Is this a coincidence or does this really mean something?



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Sounds very interesting I'll have to look it up myself



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There is a theory that for centuries the watchers have been hiding in plain view and communicating through trivia... a theme echoed in Men in Black with the National Enquirer being the source of all knowledge...



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i am listening to it right now and it sounds real to me .... i also watched the emily rose movie(own it) and i think it's real ....



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truly an interesting subject. i will have to look more into this as well.. the movie was good but am more interested in the real happenings of this poor soul.



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Absolutely.



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I will look into this.



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I have seen part of the exorsism of Emily Rose but I fell asleep watching it.



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oh wow Isilmea .. thast freaky . and yes it does spell that



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From dealings with the entity calling itself Belial, it is that mode of opperation he draws pleasure in. Young female college age mediums. So I have no doubt of the case. It just went wonky at the end.



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In 1968, when she was 17 and still in high school, Anneliese began to suffer from convulsions. Court findings have her experiencing her first epileptic attack in 1969. It was then that a neurologist at the Psychiatric Clinic Wurzburg diagnosed her with Grand Mal epilepsy. Soon, Anneliese started experiencing devilish hallucinations while praying. She also began to hear voices, which told her that she was damned. The court determined that by 1973 Anneliese was suffering from depression and considering suicide. In 1975, convinced that she was possessed, her parents gave up on the doctors from the psychiatric clinic. They chose to rely solely on the exorcisms for healing (washingtonpost.com). Anneliese's symptoms have since been compared with those of schizophrenia, and they may have responded to treatment (telegraph.co.uk).

Who first diagnosed Anneliese as being possessed?
The first unofficial diagnosis was made by an older woman who accompanied Anneliese on a pilgrimage. She noticed that Anneliese avoided walking past a particular image of Jesus, and that she refused to drink water from a holy spring. The woman also claimed that Anneliese smelled hellishly bad (washingtonpost.com). An exorcist from a nearby town examined Anneliese and concluded that she was demonically possessed. After two failed requests, the rite of exorcism was finally granted by the Bishop.

Was Tom Wilkinson's character of Father Moore based on a real person?
Tom Wilkinson's character was more a combination of two real-life people, Father Arnold Renz and Pastor Ernst Alt (shown at left). Both men were assigned by the Bishop of Wurzburg, Josef Stangl, to carry out "The Great Exorcism" on Anneliese Michel. The foundation for this ritual was the "Rituale Romanum", which at the time, was still a valid 17th century Cannon Law. Father Arnold Renz had been a former missionary in China, and Pastor Ernst Alt was a pastor in a nearby community. Together they carried out 67 rites of exorcism over a period of 10 months, with one or two exorcism sessions held each week. Some sessions lasted up to four hours (moviesonline.ca).


Did Anneliese Michel really see the faces of demons on the people around her like Emily Rose did in the film?
According to The Washington Post, as she grew more convinced that she was possessed, Anneliese began to see the faces of demons on the people and things around her. Watch a Clip from the Film




What demons possessed Anneliese?
Anneliese was convinced that she had been possessed by several demons, including Lucifer, Judas Iscariot, Nero, Cain, Hitler, and Fleischmann, a disgraced Frankish Priest from the 16th century. She also mentioned a few other damned souls who had manifested themselves through her. -moviesonline.ca

Did Anneliese's mother Anna support the making of the film?
No. Anneliese's mother did not support the making of The Exorcism of Emily Rose. "I don't want to see the film and I don't know anything about it," Mrs. Michel said, who was at the time in her eighties. Anneliese's father Josef died six years prior to the film's release. -telegraph.co.uk

How many people were found guilty in Anneliese Michel's death?
In the 2005 film, The Exorcism of Emily Rose, only one of the characters, Father Richard Moore (Tom Wilkinson), was found guilty of negligent homicide surrounding the death of Emily Rose. In the real-life case of Anneliese Michel (pictured right), which took place in 1978, there were four defendants, not just one. They were Father Arnold Renz, Pastor Ernst Alt, and Anneliese Michel's parents, Josef and Anna. All four were found guilty of negligent homicide and sentenced to six months in prison, suspended with three years' probation.
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Is it possible that Anneliese was copying what she had seen in William Friedkin's 1973 film The Exorcist?
Director William Friedkin's film The Exorcist was released in Germany in 1974, two years prior to the audio tapings of the exorcisms in which we hear Anneliese's recorded voice (listen below). Even though her voice is quite chilling, it bares a striking resemblance to the growling, barking, and inhuman voice of Linda Blair from Friedkin's film. This has caused some people to conclude that Anneliese was simply mimicking what she had seen in the film, if she had in fact seen the film. Upon its release in Germany, the movie created a sort of paranormal hysteria that swept the nation. European Psychiatrists reported an increase of obsessive ideas among their patients (moviesonline.ca). The movie however, does not provide explanation for the years prior to 1974, in which she was experiencing numerous other afflictions that she and those close to her had attributed to demonic possession.

What other disturbing things did Anneliese do?
Anneliese carried out a number of highly disturbing actions. She licked her own urine off the floor. She ate flies, spiders, and coal. She bit off the head of a dead bird. In one instance, she crawled under a table and barked like a dog for two days. She could often be heard screaming through the walls for hours. Tearing off her clothes and urinating on the floor became a regular occurrence. -moviesonline.ca

Did the exorcisms cause her bodily harm?
Yes. Anneliese (pictured right) endured 67 rites of exorcism over a period of 10 months. Over time, the ligaments in her knees ruptured due to the 600 genuflections that she performed obsessively during each exorcism session. A genuflection is an act of reverence consisting of falling onto one or both knees (called a "double genuflection"). On June 30, 1976, during her last rite of exorcism before her death, too weak and emaciated to perform the genuflections on her own, Anneliese's parents stood and helped carry her through the motions. -moviesonline.ca

Was there a doctor present during the exorcisms as in the film?
No. Around Easter time of the year that she died, Anneliese began to refuse food and drink. Her convulsions returned with a greater ferocity. No doctors were called (time-proxy.yaga.com). During the trial, specialists claimed that if the four accused (Father Arnold Renz, Pastor Ernst Alt, and the parents) would have begun to force feed Anneliese a week before her death, then she would still be alive. One of Anneliese's sisters explained to the court during the 1978 trial that Anneliese did not want to go to a mental hospital where she would be drugged and forced to eat (moviesonline.ca).

Why did Anneliese Michel refuse to eat?
She forced herself to fast because she believed that it would rid her of Satan's influence. At the time of her death, she weighed only 68 lbs (telegraph.co.uk). Prior to her death, she had spoke of dying to atone for the sins of the wayward youth and apostate priests of the modern church (washingtonpost.com). Anneliese is pictured on the left.



What did Anneliese technically die from?
According to the autopsy, on July 1, 1976 Anneliese Michel succumbed to the effects of severe dehydration and malnourishment. At the time of her death, she was also suffering from Pneumonia and a high fever (1g3.com). She was buried next to her illegitimate sister Martha at the outer edges of the cemetery (view here). This area is normally reserved for illegitimate children and suicides (telegraph.co.uk).

What were Anneliese Michel's last words?
Weak and on the verge of death, she spoke her last known words on the day before she died. She told her exorcists "Beg for Absolution". To her mother Anna, she said, "Mother, I'm afraid." -moviesonline.ca

Had Anneliese been a deeply religious person prior to 'being possessed'?
Yes. Anneliese and her three sisters were raised in a strict Catholic family. Her father Josef had considered training as a priest and three of her aunts were nuns.

Four years before Anneliese was born, her mother gave birth to an illegitimate daughter, Martha. As a result, her mother suffered great shame and was forced to wear a black veil on her wedding day. When Anneliese was a child, her mother encouraged her to atone for the sins of illegitimacy through fervent devotion. When Anneliese's sister Martha died at the age of eight during an operation to remove a kidney tumor, this likely only increased Anneliese's desire to do penance for her mother (telegraph.co.uk).



As she grew older, Anneliese continued to suffer for the sins of others. When she was a teenager, Anneliese slept on a bare stone floor to atone for the sins of wayward priests and drug addicts, who could be observed sleeping on the hard ground at the local train station (washingtonpost.com). In college at West Germany's University of Würzburg, she hung pictures of saints on her dorm room walls, kept a holy-water font near the door, and regularly prayed the Rosary (time-proxy.yaga.com). As stated earlier, even close to her death she spoke of dying to atone for the sins of the wayward youth and renegade priests.

http://www.chasingthefrog.com/reelfaces/emilyrose.php



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this site also has a link to some of the exorcism

http://www.chasingthefrog.com/reelfaces/emilyrose.php



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I never heard anything about it before thanks for posting this thread! I definitely going to look more into it.

yet I also believe that anything is possible there are so many things we have yet been able to explain.



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Thinks its very real i watched Emily Rose and found it a amazing Movie and documentation of Annelise good thread



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I do think that she was genuinely possessed, but may have had underlying mental illness, such as multiple personalities as well. The movies were very good, and the case study intresting.



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if she was possessed by demons, and god is real, then surely the exorcism would have saved her, not killed her? i think this poor girl was the victim of a combination of mental illness and religious dogma.



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I have heard quite a bit about her....just never knew what to think about it......it could have been 'demons' or it could have been just depression along side a medical disorder..



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I've heard the story and seen the movie. I believe in possession (demonic) and I truelly believe she was possessed and not mentally ill.



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I have this story in my journal if you'd like to have a look!

Very interesting!



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I believe demonic possession is real and i agree with a post above, some people who are in mental instutes are possession physically and mentally...



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I do not believe this girl was possessed at all. Having worked with a paranoid schitzophrenic I realize that at times they can seem that way. Especially to those that do not understand the disease. I think that it is far more likey that Annalise was a severe case of schitzophrenia.



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i agree - schizophrenia.
but if she was possessed, wouldnt the fact that the priests were unable to exorcise her prove that there is no god, or their religion is false?



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Its hard to say if she was generally possessed or not. Although convention medicine seemed to do little to cure her, exorcism seemed to fail as well. I'll take a doctors opinion first any day.



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i do think it was a case of demonic possion.i have watched the movies and heard the tapes. i also would lie to say i love your postings they are always interesting



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i do think it was a case of demonic possion.i have watched the movies and heard the tapes. i also would lie to say i love your postings they are always interesting



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i do think it was a case of demonic possion.i have watched the movies and heard the tapes. i also would lie to say i love your postings they are always interesting



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like to say not lie to say ooopps



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I do not have enough knowledge about it to say much, but it could have been a possession, with a "cover up" by the authorities.

It is a sad story nonetheless.



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07:22:58 Oct 16 2007
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i do not know much about this story but i have watched the movie and it seemed like a sad case but i can not really say if it was true or not i was not their at the time.



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Annelise Michel probably was possessed by demons, and they probably thought she had a mental illness because no one wants to admit that a person could be possessed by demons...



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There are people who seem to have lost their souls to evil for sure.



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wow that was really good info mystic i luv that movie and that poor girl what she had to endure is really terriable



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MOONLITDREAM
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01:37:54 Oct 17 2007
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some people are /can be possed by demons// i will agree its possible



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MysticMoon
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16:56:17 Oct 24 2007
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the way i see it and from whats been document this case was handled all wrong and this poor girl suffered



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17:19:27 Oct 25 2007
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wow that is very interresting thank you for posting this



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07:14:09 Oct 27 2007
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theoretically possession is possible but I doubt it to be probable in this case...



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07:49:09 Oct 27 2007
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Very interesting.... thanks



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Ashesofruin
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21:37:42 Oct 27 2007
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Very intriguing and that audio is very chilling, I only made it almost a minute in before I had to turn it off.



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21:50:00 Oct 27 2007
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very intresting indeed and I do think she was possessed.



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00:33:35 Oct 28 2007
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that is very intersting i have seen the movies and the tale of the woman but is their any factual evedence or documentaion of prof that the event really took place



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MysticMoon
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14:32:26 Oct 28 2007
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if u look at the links that ive posted will give u the proof u seek



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14:39:45 Oct 28 2007
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Even though I know demonic possession does exist.
It seems more likely that Annelise suffered from mental illness..



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AmeeraBiohazard
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23:13:08 Nov 27 2007
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This is indeed very interesting. I somewhat believe that this is possible but I will read more about this then I will say if I fully believe or don't



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I have seen the movie and research it a bit. It is a great possibility that she may have been possessed. But no one wil know for sure, we can only go by what is documented. There are several mental health diagnoses, that do a "normal person" would think ok this person has split personalities. But then you have to look at the whole pictures. The speaking of different tongues. The different voices. I guess it would come down to as what you believe to be possible.



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01:21:30 Nov 28 2007
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Karnstein, you are totally on the mark. I knew immediately there was some sexual/religious nonsense happening. This poor girl was caught up in religious rapture, driven by the same dark forces that cause some sects to self-flagellate.

Tegretol has been the drug of choice for treating seizures for over forty years. It does have side effects --- a potential for kidney or liver damage --- so quarterly blood analysis is required. Before tegretol the drug most frequently used was pheno barbital which has many psychiatric side effects.

Oddly, one of the most interesting aspects of seizure disorder is the frequency for some people to have auras that take the form of deja vu. This has sometimes been interpreted throughout the ages as prophesy.



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01:42:29 Nov 28 2007
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I believe that there are other forces out there. And whos to really know that this girl wasnt possessed by a group of spirits? A large number of people here believe in ghosts. But when you throw in the words "exorcism" or "demons" people automatically assume that religions have to follow hand in hand. This girl could have been possessed. But its more than likely she died of malutrition like her autopsy report stated.



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This is a very interesting thread, I have heard of this before. It's a really hard call to make, she does have some symptoms that could be linked to a possible possession; however she also has what appears to be schizophrenia with a possible dissociative identity disorder.



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06:14:53 Nov 28 2007
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I would say that it is a possibility that she was possessed but in this day and age that kind of thing is usually hidden away with fancy medical terms and a lot of drugs. I wasn't there so I obviously could not say for sure.



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