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This is what I posted before it was closed..i wanted to start it again for i find it interesting..

But You are wrong..Satanists do abide by rules, least i do with my Master and my Church..But i do not do things unless i was wronged and yes i know all about karma..There is evil just as there is good in everyOne including Satanists..But that does not give Xtians the right to commit sin and nothing is said if they repent..What about us? Thats my question..Why is it always Ones different who does evil things?

I should imagine coz you go under the flag of what they oppose.
Simple logic
Are they right? Well my view is no,more hypercritical in the way as mentioned they sin and repent … what’s the difference?

to me there is no difference..because they repent at the time but yet return to do it yet again..thats evil and hypocritical

not everyone who does wrong or "sins" and then repents goes back out and does it again, there are those that learn from their mistakes and change for the better. then again there are those the "sin" and dont repent at all. So if its hypocritical it in only for those that continue to do it over and over again.

true in a way but what about the ones who do it every weekend and repent for the same reasons? that doesnt make it right..and sure evil is as evil does but why hide it? i am a good person who happens to be a satanist but CoA believes like normal ones but doesnt hide anything

Truly an Ecumenical Oxymoron

Who is? The ones who doesnt deny evil?

Oxymoron oxymoron....not moron

well there is a natrual balance of good and evil one can not excist wiht out the other

and i agree house sis but that isnt my point..my point is when one is difference they are called evil, what about the ones who are suppose to be good but yet does evil? and i do know that they both go together, just because we believe differently doesnt mean we are all together evil..

well if you understand the concept of duality, then for you Satanists, and Christains alike, I say this...Jesus a wolf in sheeps clothing/Satan a sheep in wolves clothing...

one and the same/reflections...

it's very complicated to say whos wrong or who's right... the thing is that good and evil is in our human nature from the beginning...
Now, it's in our nature too the fact that we will sin and then look for forgiveness and then we will sin again... and it doesn't mean that the first time we weren't repented... but it's just like that... we go from sins to virtue.

Even the gentlest person has a demon inside.we all have both good and bad in our nature

i honestly dont care about karma,if i do bad things(more) and go to hell,fine lol ill be proud to serve under my master there

Well in society since the dawn of religion there has been a fight for whats right and whats wrong.. Each have there own definition of sin.. So in my eyes its just a never ending battle. Who right and whose wrong ..hmmm.. that question will never be told in an unbias form

Agrees G D Sir for there will always be evil and what some call good..I am a satanist but does know the difference between right and wrong..but karma is real and strikes back but for us satanists if it in the right all together then it will be good..my Master and Church believes their own laws but does kinda follow Lavey's theories..Not all ov us kill innocent kids and for that matter innocent ppl..But it it against some of our's better judgement..And no matter what some will think all different is evil

Winter... I noticed a post I think it was you who said it... about one commiting a sin and the repenting it just to come back to it... That's the reason why I myself don't pray.... I can't ask for forgiviness when I know I will faulter later.... But at the same time I've come to light with Wiccan and I have yet to get real personal with it, although I want to. But GD did bring up a wonderful point about the unbias and I agree with him as long as there is a God and Satan there will always be a Good and Evil.... I hope I made sense if not just message me Winter!

You did Angel and I agree with You both..But it is true, why repent if You will turn around and do it again? Sure i try to be a good person even though I am a Satanist and a member ov The Church ov Aperion..Isnt trying to say all Satanists are good or evil, but We all do things differently..Even the Best Xtians sin all the time it is on the news..So why single out one set of people just because of Their beliefs? Thats my question

I do not believe in sin, sin was made up by men to stop people from having fun, i mean if you do something really bad you get punished by going to jail or getting killed or something like that, and the way i look at it is if you do something that is really bad then you better be ready to pay the price for it...

That has to do with Karma and i believe in that also..But killing for fun is evil and We do not see things that way..There are different kinds of evil and good so it depends on things

Well killing for fun is Humanity.. Nothing you can do to stop others from doing what they will..

agrees and knows there are people who do just that..i am not saying i wouldnt but my babies and my life, hell yeah..self defense..

Very True CC

I think that good and evil come from the heart. Cold malicious acts done out of spite, jealousy, hate, or what have you, are evil... When there is good in the heart and your acts are out of kindness, generosity, and general LOVE of humanity... well that can be considered good.

I care not to bring opposing religions to the table in this discussion.. for ease of saying Buddha and Allah will never meet on celebrity death match... and if they do... trust me Hulk Hogan is gonna win.

general good acts are okay, hell my Master is High Priest and He does good deeds..It is just that people think the worse of Us who are Satanists or even other religions..after all it is human nature do it as we please and satanists does it without doubts or remorse..thats hypocritical so why be one way and do another

No matter which religious discipline you follow, good and evil are in the heart.. if your acts are of cruelty hatred and malice chances are, your evil. Hypocrisy aside... you cannot deny what is in the heart.

but what if You have good in there but evil out weighs it some more times than others?

Is good really "good" and is evil really "evil" where do we get the sense of our definitions and what do we have to actually compare the two except what we were taught to be as good and what is bad, or what is good and what is evil.
Sometimes doing something can be judged as good even if it is an evil action because it hides truth from the masses that need to know the truth, but in hiding the truth you are preserving a concept that has founded your philisophical view and a view for millions. If you supress a great truth because it would destroy the very foundations of your religious beliefs is that a good thing or an evil thing???
Is it right to supress a great truth that would set a planet free from lies and deceite?
Is it being good to preserve a faith that has millions believing in something that allows you to maintain your position, something which you would lose if the truth was set free, not only your position but since it is all you know, your livelyhood as well...It would over throw a seat of power that has reigned for centuries as a figurehead foundation to a belief tha has been bastardized and watered down to fit the elites perceptions of The Way...to keep the masses in control and dumbed down, to preserve power upon the masses and presrve the billions that have been collected over the centuries.
A simple city holds the key to good and evil in parallel to it's own existence. Would it be a good thing to tell the truth that has bee supressed for hundreds of years ?
Or should we continue to control the masses, us, ourselves knowing the truth and supressing it!

A simple city within a city that exemplifies the meaning of oxymoron when it comes to good and evil.

VERY WELL SAID KWIL...Sorry caps but there will always be people with assumptions and nothing said or done can help that..Narrowminded Ones are just that..Also scared of the unknown

I agree with cherryblossom. I say it on my profile, and I think I said it in the original thread. Good and evil coexist and there cannot be one without the other.

My faith has taught me to accept and embrace that side of me that I know to be evil, rather than shunning it.

It's just my opinion that it's the intent of our actions that determine good and evil. If your intentions are self-serving and harmful to yourself or others, then I consider that to be evil. On the other hand, if the intent is selfless, even altruistic, and will not harm you or others, and is then that would be considered good.

But, whether some of care to admit it or not I think all of us harbor both sides within us. Satanists are no more 100% evil than Christians are 100% good.

But to me a Satanist gets what He or She wants and doesnt hide that fact..When Xtians do it is hidden but still there and evil..Isnt saying none of it is right because all we do it one time or another..

I step on a snail, a living creature that has done nothing to me, yet in my stepping on that snail I have caused the survival of a million snails to continue......was it a good thing or an evil thing? It was a balance. We all sometimes do what may be considered evil by some in order to preserve the good on the other side of the scale.....It's a balance in nature and on a higher scale it balances out the multiverses, it is chaos, ans without it life would cease to exist after a time.

I agree Kwil..but things like that are part of nature and everyday life..it isnt like You picked that snail to kill so big deall..and i did not say it was okay to just kill..

Getting what you want isn't always a bad thing. It depends on what you want and how you went about getting it.

I'm not a Satanist, but I often get what I want. Sometimes people know how I got it, and sometimes they don't. But, I'm very careful about my intentions.

NO....in order for you to understand..Yes I picked that snail because I knew of the encroaching problem of survival. SO I killed it....an evil thing to preserve a good thing? Or a balance to preserve Chaos.

Thats a very good answer WoH..Well said and You have a point also..Sometimes it is best for others not to know how things are gotten

Thank you, winter.
Kwil, I think what you did is all about balance. I can't speak for you, but that's how it works in my beliefs.

Since good and evil coexist, the balance has to be maintained by some means somewhere.

That is exactly what my Master tells me..cindy it is all about balance, well among other things..One of the things i am learning

Being raised Catholic I must know how does one get interested in satan. I was raised he is evil, so whats the appeal? Please feel free to message me. I really want to know, I am not judgemental

I have always wondered myself how one comes to worship Satan as Lord...

Because to soe of Us Satan is Lord and Master..But yet we are called evil and wicked..Least what we do we do not hide what we do like the Xtians do..What's the justice in that?Read the bible, read online and the Satanic Bible explains alot..You will be surprised at things that are and have been right in front of you..It may not be for everyone but this is the Path for me andi have chose to embrace it..

I am sad to think that by personalizing definitions and ideologies, we lose the concept of a universal truth of what is right/wrong and good/evil... i think those beliefs can and should be the strongest of ones constitution, but if it is subjective to what church leaders, government officials, and the beholder, we lose continuity and clarity.

Is stealing to feed your kids wrong? Is following the Satanic Church necessarily evil? How does religion color our glasses when it comes to ethics and morals? Cheating? Lying? Sacrafice? Stealing? Sometimes true necessity helps define right, and glutony and greed define wrong...but why?


In order to address the question of if good and evil are different entities, whereas one is "right" and the other a "sin," we must examine the concept of necessary recipricols for universal balance.

Can good exist without evil and vice versa? i don't believe so. everything is a binary dichotomy where there has to be an opposite. we could not define good without expressing the absences of evil (and once again, vice versa).

If "good" and "evil" are so tied together, why would it be wrong/prefered to support the balance on a particular side?

Is good and evil even tangible enough that we can seperate perception from true meaning in order to define the terms?

I believe that all people have some good and some evil in them but their are a lot of people that has a lot more of good or a lot more of evil in them...

I am a christian... not a very good on, and I`m glad to see a satanist trying to be good :)
What do you want more about duality?
LOL
I think you should read the christian bible too and about the bogomilism.
EVERYBODY!!!!
The christianity and La Vey kind of satanism are both monotheistic... there is not a dualism!
I think La Vey Bible is just a sort of Hitler`s "Mein Kampf" with more sugar.No offence.
The christians must love all,even the satanists ...but the satanists must love only their self...I don`t see where is the injustice...I think you are very confused.
The church is not the religion and the religion is not God ;)

Thanks for the thread!

We have more good in our nature than bad!
Just look around.It`s easy to tell: do we chase each other on the streets with axes!
Let`s be serious.
We leave in a kosmos with isles of chaos, not the other way around.
You might reach at this conclusion either by observation and by meditation.

Okay I didnt do this to have one try to convert me..You may not be but anyways..I was an Xtian at one time but things around and inside me changed..I found the net 7 yrs ago and found thing i had been missing and found out why i was different..Vampirism..But the darkness kept growing and growing inside me, missing something..

Not really sure when i did get interested in Satanism but i realized that was what was calling me..I found Deep Realm and met Some like me but Fakes, had Master on my list but We never talked except hello and such..I was talking to one i believed to be real, found out one night He was fake out to get the naive ones..That was the very same night my Master summoned me, I dont mean with words spoken but i knew and i answered Him..We emailed back and fourth a few weeks and then the Phone Call, that was when Dani Rose was born and I was complete..I knew with Him i had found what i was seaching for..I have read the bible but doesnt wish to get into thqt nor offend anyone..

I am proud to be who i am and that is a Satanist and a Honored and Proud Member of the Church ov Aperion..Even though We have different beliefs does not mean We cannot be good and kind..Not all Satanists are bad..Not the Ones i know and a part of..

I have to disagree with You on Satanism not being a Religion for it is..How is if if We arent, can they marry, bury and do whatever else Xtians do? How come They are trying to get it recognize as a Religion in the Army for one and Other places..And one more thing I think You have been guilty of doing things just for your self as we do..We do not hide it as Xtians do..Well no offense to any but..And 7 sins are a dialy part of everyone's life in one way or another

Who is to judge good and/or evil? People's values vary , therefore our opinions on " good" and "evil" will.

that is very true but to tell one to read their bible..hmmm thats nother story..

really wished ppl would tell what they think..i also would like to know what and who the Joy of Satan is? anyone know..

Very interesting thread we have "good"and "evil" in us we all hold within us are own demon's. So who is to judge if it a sin or not? To me no one it's your own belief's that pass judgement on it.

very well said but you know there are ppl who do just that..why not judge the Xtians who do wrong and yes steal, greed and lust but yet that a good thing..?? Same thing when they get on tv and beg for money..whatis wrong with that scene?

good and evil
right and wrong
these are purely subjective terms

one must be ones own judge

agrees WildChild..But sometimes that doesnt matter

Well i am 95% evil 5%good.

What i am saying is that when something bad happens, guess who gets the blame? Yeah the evil satanists, Jeffery Dahmer was more than evil as well as others..That was their excuse..A god fearing mom in Houston killed her 5 kids and drug the oldest to his death..but she claimed whatever and is free, well locked up in a mental ward..

And guess who made her do it..Bullshit, she knew what she was doing..Why does evil always relates to the Satanists? The Ones who believe differently?

good and evil are in the eye of the beholder. So it all depends which side of the fence everyone is on as to if you are good or evil

if one is good to me, i will be good to that one..I will feed one who is hungry and i am a Satanist, go figure...One's habits shouldnt let anyone decide if that one is evil or good..We all are no matter what side of the fence we are on..

I agree but what is good to me might not be to u and vice versus

very true but it would all come to the same point..

maybe maybe not. and not in every situation

guess so..there is evil but yet there is a lil more evil..just as good..not saying everyone is evil or good and for Us we do not do harm to those not deserving of it..but remember Xtians say an eye for an eye..isnt that evil as well?

Yes an eye for an eye is a form of evil

OKAY THEN..XTIANS ARE JUST AS EVIL AS WE ARE..IT SAYS THAT IN THE BIBLE

Lilith was the first equal and that is why she was banished

"Judge not others for one day you shall be judged." Thats a quote from the bible somewhere someplace. I can't see how one tiny person can make such a big judgment on how another person wants to live their life and what they want to believe.

Some are like that but yet worse than we would ever be..

its because they look from within our past and not the changes that we have made over the time that leads up to this point

agrees

I personally do not think that its a matter of those different from us doing different. I think that its more like they do it in a different way and unless we take the time to learn their way we may never know.

I believe what you put out in the universe comes back to you.

Good and evil exist in each of us and that is where free will comes into play. We have the ability to choose which to walk. Are Satanists evil? hmmm no I don't think so, I don't know enough to have an opionion on their beliefs. Repent? the true repetance is one that is sincere in their hearts.

I missed the first one this is interestin stuff.....

I think satanist get seen in a bad light because they are called satanist, and whenever people hear that they think of satan, with things i have seen i know that other religions can be bad and all they have to do is repent, but they can keep doing it until they die where as satanist i believe do what they want knowing that they have to pay the price later, depending on what they believe...

People automatically assume that Satanists are bad, bad people just because it says "Satan" in the name, whereas, if you're a LaVey Satanist, then it's just a mockery.
Actual devilworship is Luciferian, which I don't know much about so I can't say that it's evil or that it's not.
Satanism is just a religion based on the fact that Christ is a lie, live life the way you want, and supports vengeance.

Just Different beliefs in general...

It really depends on your outlook...for what some one considers evil is the norm for some one else

I have to disaree Kathryn..We do not follow Lavey all that much but sure we do..And We of Apeiron are Satanists..And my Master will tell you that as well..Luciferism is different than Satanism and Apeiron is Satanists..

And also what good is repenting when you know you are just gonna keep on doing same thing..Even Xtians are evil and commits one or more of the seven sins..But are they called Satanists or evil? NO..Each Religion is different and just because We are Satanists doesnt mean we cannot do good..True Satanists are Doctors and does that make them bad? No They help ppl so that is good..so it doesnt matter what religion we are to be good or even bad..We are People after all

I'm not really what "faith" I follow. All I know that I do not believe in turn the other check bull crap. I will not go out of my way to hurt some one unless they have wronged me or some one care for first. Good and Evil are both needed in this world.

The allure of evil is potent. Most wrong doers would porbably be categorized as outcasts. I personally would never place you or any other Satanist I have known in that group. There are basic principals involved.

I agree with You both for i would not intentionally hurt anyone unless they wronged me or mine..We do not slaughter animals or humans, We do not go against nature..What good would it do..

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even people who are considered "normal" can and do bad things and sin

The universe is all about balance. The light cannot exist without the darkness and vice versa. We would have no conception of what evil is if it was not for good, nor would we understand the shades of gray between the polar opposites.

To me good people can do evil things also and what would we do without a little bad in our lives to like someone else said things are balenced out alittle bit of good and evil is in all of us.

there has always been good and evil it never left