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MalicSaraphim
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How far does pre-destination go? Is it only for this life, this life and your next life..or maybe your soul as a whole?


If you don't believe in pre-destination, simply don't post here.




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I would have to say this life and going onto the next life, souls are very old in my belief.



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I have heard that we each live to fullfill some lesson. I f we don't learn it this life we learn it in the next. I would guess that we all have many lessons we are ment to learn so it may take many lives. also , we may need to help other learn thier lessons.



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I am not sure about other faiths, but predestination stops at this life...and not the afterlife...although the basic tenant of most monotheistic religions is more like free will and self determination lead to one of several predetined ends. From what i recall its not one single end for each person but a question of what choices you make leading to what consequence in your life...the afterlife is a whol different thing.



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It all depends on the person. Every soul has a preordained destiny; however, it is up to the individual to realize that destiny. There is nothing but the maximum potential and the occasional string pulling to create the weave of life. This is the truth for humanity in general. But as with all rules of regularity, there are exceptions.

Some souls are what I call "destined to a point", those souls who must follow a preordained path until they come to a crossroads, where they may proceed to the left or to the right (metaphorically speaking, of course). These souls may be predestined over a course of many lifetimes, or simply one, or even destined differently each lifetime. However, from the time they make that decision, their final destiny is either set in stone, or negated, leaving the individual to live a life of Free Will from that point on.

Thene there are the few (such as myself) who have given their souls over to the guidance of Fate toward their destiny. These souls relinquish not Free Will, but the overall course their life will take. These souls still may choose at will the everyday, mundane actions; but certain events will happen within a certain timeframe, regardless. This may entail some nastier consequences if one does not heed the subtle guidance that Fate provides.

Then there are the few, the blessed, accursed few whose entire being is predestined. People like Jesus, the Antichrist, and only a handful of others have no real choice in the matter. Everything they do, everything they say is predestined to happen. However, it is my belief that these beings live one life and do not reincarnate, or perhaps ascend once more to a higher plane of existence, their mission having been fulfilled.

But one must bear in mind that these are the exceptions to the rule, though not altogether as rare as one might expect. But still, one must never underestimate the power or the effects of Free Will upon one's destiny. The cards can almost always be thwarted, though some usually settle for postponement.



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personally...
I think you set the predestination for the NEXT life.. with this one.



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I think that we all have a goal for our soul in general, just that not everybody can define what it is, but still strive to reach it. I believe we have that along with goals for this lifetime. So... a mixture.



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i agree with princesskayd1.
and i think (i believe) that it depends on the person (or soul).
we get religion from groups of people that agree, but that doesn't necessarily mean they agree on everything. far from it. but they agree enough to associate themselves with others of like mind.
my point is: if you believe you want a next life, you'll get it. if not, then perhaps your destiny is elsewhere.
keeping in mind that this is the case if you have your higher diety's favor...i'm not saying Heaven or Hell kind of thing, because i'm not gonna tell Buddists they're wrong, even if i thought so. several factors key into this: your belief structure, your personality characteristics, your intelligence and faith, among others.
i also believe in kind of a midground- fate and coincidence both exist, as well as good and evil. but we're not binded by these forces, they're there for the same reason as people walk and talk, grass grows, and the sun comes up every day. it's just the way of the universe.
also, there is no black and white or absolutes, but i'm going off on a tangent.
i think it comes down to what you believe to be your reality.



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Pre-destination doesn't last from minute to minute, much less life to life. Otherwise we must say that there is no such thing as choice. Pre-destination denies the existence of free-will, for it means that all things are set in such a manner that I have no freedom to decide as I wish.

It means also that all that is is meant to be and all that will be shall become. It does not account for spontaneity.



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yes indeed...time has no relavence except in the present.
for example, i have a past life that actually takes place in the future.



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I seriously believe all our lives have a pre-destined course they take, every time you have a sense of deja voo you are just realizing you are following your pre-destined course.



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It is said that a soul is destined to keep making the same mistakes throughout the ages. The soul is seen as an entity seperate from ourselves, yet it makes us ourself, the soul is defined, but its vessel is different.



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Lightningsking
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Predestination is for this life. I dont believe in reincarnation so there will be nothing after this life



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demonnous1xx
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Its goes on forever never ending. Its just part of the order of the universe.



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pre destination is nothing more than a path for life, its up to you as a person to choose what ways you go to get to the end of the path. i think that yes it goes on into the next life as well. but free will always comes in to play. the path is there for you, its your choice on how you get there



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I think that your choices in this life affect your destiny in your next life, and your last life's choices are what formed your destiny in this life.



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i think pre-desination is something we cant put a finger this life or the next we dont know when or where it just is



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MalicSaraphim
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I personally Do believe in pre-destination. It has little to nothing to do with free will at all. Pre-destination means your soul being written out to what it is and what it will accomplish on this earth, not every move you make.



I also think that souls as a whole are pre-destined. I don't think Sir God will waste his precious time re-pre-destinating every person individually before they are born.



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First, predestination was a theory devised by man, John Calvin to be exact. He believed that G_d had determined the fate of the world, universe, etc for all time and space, prior to it's creation.

Again a theory brought forth by man about G_d.

To me this is the same thing as fate and laying the out come of your life on it. Fate is crap, man decides his own destiny, even if the choices made lead to an unfavorable out come, except things like ginetic anomalies such as cancer.



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I think that pre-destination was "written" long ago for every soul. We have several lifetimes and I think they are all planned out in advance. Each lifetime has a point and purpose--something the soul must do or experience.
And while there is free will, free will does not hinder the souls purpose. You can make your schoices in this world..and still end up right where you need to be. And I believe all of our lives are intertwined in our overall souls pre-destination.

This is a rough example, but its early, so bare with me! lol

Lets say that 50 years from now, "John Doe" is supposed to find a cure to all human illness in the world. Not only will he cure Cancer, AIDS, and other potentially fatal illnesses, but he will find a way to boost the immune system to prevent new or other harmful diseases(hypothetically).
But John Doe is only a baby right now. He has made no advances in the world in uttering a first word, let alone found a cure for anything--yet.
Here comes you. You are in your adult years, you have led what appears to be a very dull life. Nothing important has ever happened to you in your opinion. Just the run of the mill life. You have traveled for your job, made your own choices as to where to live, and vacation. But you find yourself in a restaurant of your choosing one day when you look over to see a child choking while his mother has stepped away briefly. You rush to aid the choking child, saving his life. This child is none other than our previously mentioned John Doe. Now, you die years before John Doe has ever made his medical advances, but in the "right place, right time" actions you performed when he was a child, you in turn saved humanity by saving him.
Who is to say this scerario is NOT predestination?? You can make all the choices you want, but no matter what you choose, you will convienently be exactly where you need to be, at exactly the right time...as part of your soul's purpose here.



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Darkfairie
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well said, that was what i was trying to get to, but you give a good example. better than mine anyway.



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Aww thanks dark! I hope I explained it in terms everyone can understand. I have read alot of literature on this topic.



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I believe that we have and exist as our destiny. There is no fighting it. Even if we make a choice against our destiny, it will turn out that we were always meant to make that choice and it would also help fulfill our destiny.



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At birth your destiny is given your soul can live on after that destiny unto another .



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I agree with *dragonzblood it would depend on how much we accomplished in learning the lesson we were destined to learn. If we don't learn or accomplish our lessons in this life we will continue until we learn them in the next..



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Both..

Some times it may be for many life times and yet other just the life you are in.



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soul = energy energy never dies it goes on forever



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I think a lot of pre-destination deals with upbringing. You see, even in the US, certain families maintaining wealth and power over generations, families like Roosevelt, Rockerfeller, Bush, Kennedy. When a child is born to that environment, the environment itself can lead to a destiny.



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I agree with Gillian on this one. We predetermine in this life what we must go thru in the next.



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its just for this life



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Meh, I guess your soul as a whole.



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I think it's for your soul as a whole because your soul goes on forever



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well.. life is lived in the moment.. NOW, so I find it hard to believe that predestinaton works differently.. why couldn't it just be that we are predestined to do whatever we are doing NOW... and now.. and now...
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predestination is said to map out your whole life as a one solitary life which concludes all of your lives.this is only what i have heard.



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i think we mold our own life based on certain decisions that we make.

mm...butter.....you're reminding me of the dinner i had last night...



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Nicely said, Kontradiction.



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BloodMoonAngel
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I would believe it would make more sense for it to be for your soul as a whole



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