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The military have now weighed in on climate change. The article below lists their concerns.

They predict huge price increases for food and energy as the Planet shows its wrath.

They also show how it's getting harder to breathe as the lethal Carbon dioxide gases more than double.

Many religions say their Gods will sort this problem out?

Do you think your faith will solve this? if so how?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15342682

I dont believe faith will stop the pole reversal or the devastation that will follow.No.

my God says the world is gonna end but he will be there for His children
ppl try to guess when teh world's gonna end but he says not to listen to him only he knows :)

My faith is that as a species, we are the master of our own destiny.

Typically, we only step in and fix our mistakes when we have no other options but from experience, we always do it in the end.

We will fix this but we'll take our sweet time.

So yes, my faith tells me that it'll all be OK at the end of the day.

Forget Faith....The final solution comes in 4 days: Really?




In an announcement on his Family Radio Network website, Harold Camping stands by his earlier predictions that the world will end on Friday, Oct. 21. Originally, Camping had predicted hourly earthquakes and God's judgment on May 21, to be followed by months of torment on Earth for those individuals left behind. Using numerical codes extracted from the Bible, Camping set the date for the end of everything for Oct. 21.


Yea...well...good luck with that.

That man with his predictions is an embarrassment. I do believe the world with end at some point as God says it will, however I do not believe any one can know when that will be. Also I believe God helps those who help themselves. I do not think He will simply come in and fix everything. He created us with minds so that we might have the ability to do things for ourselves.

Here's a little story I like.

A man is drowning in the ocean. He cried out for God to save him. After a while a man in a boat happens by and sees him and offers his help. The man declines and says that God will save him. Later a rescue helicopter sees him and tries to help him, he refuses, saying God will save him. Then a submarine surfaces nearby, spots him and offers to help him. Again he declines saying God will save him.

He drowns.

Once in heaven he asks God, "Why did you let me die? I cried out for you to save me!"

And God replies, "Yes, and I sent you three ways to be saved, and I gave you free will to help yourself and make choices. It's not my fault you chose to drown!"

~Darken

Personally I think the whole question is ignorant, it shows just how shallow some people can be.

I can see how you think the question is ignorant, but can you explain how it's shallow? I'm not sure that particular word is defining enough.

~Darken

Faith will not. People could. But most of them won't bother. I like to quote Rorschach :

The streets are extended gutters and the gutters are full of blood and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "Save us!"...


and I'll whisper "no."

It is shallow because it makes assumptions that are not founded on any facts.. yet psuedo science attracts shallow people who feel the need to blow the doom trumpet.. the base for this one question is an attempt to appear deep and engaged, yet the whole thread topic is transparent.. not to mention vague. How can "faith" have anything to do with alleged pending environmental catastrophic?

Well, not to be one to speak up for doomsday fanatics, of which I'm not, but faith can have a lot to do with it. There are many people out there that believe that their God, whichever one they believe in, will cause it all, is the current cause of downfall (which I think is basically people avoiding taking responsibility for the actions, like saying 'it's his fault, he did it!'). But for those people who believe God is responsible for causing it all, then surely He must fix it all too.

Just saying that it's not as shallow a question as it can seem. For those that believe that.

~Darken

How can "faith" have anything to do with alleged pending environmental catastrophic?

the simple answer is it can't.

IF I still followed Christianity, their teaching says we were given free will. BUT... and, he's a blinkin big but... we are a dot in the cosmos. And, what affect do we think we can have on any great disaster that may befall us.

Heck, no-one heard of the fellow trying to hold back the tides, through faith alone.

Face it, it ain't gonna happen.

Faith alone, means nothing.

That's why I agree with Dabs, it's the original question that is shallow itself... for the reasons I've given.

"Nobody heard of using faith to hold back the tides"...

Ehem... wasn't that Moses in the Red Sea?

Buddhist monks interviewed on the BBc believe their God will intervene but not using any expected method.

I do not think it is shallow to ask for diferent faiths views on such matters ? Nor is it shallow to ask the method and thereby query if different denominations accept Carbon dioxide is becoming a major problem ?

For instance Dabs does not believe in climate change even though the scientists say this;

"Without urgent action, carbon emissions could rise to levels that should cause major alarm, said Chris Rapley, professor of climate science at University College London.

Already, he noted, the atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide has risen to about 380 parts per million [ppm] - whereas in the millions of years before the pre-industrial era, it fluctuated between about 180ppm during Ice Ages and about 280ppm in the warm interglacial periods.

"If we don't do something, then at the rate we're going, carbon emissions will continue to accelerate, and the atmospheric concentration is not going to be 450ppm or 650ppm by the end of the century, but 1,000ppm," he said.

I don't agree with the doomsday peoples, but don't underestimate faith. It is a powerful thing. After all, what is faith but belief, and strong belief can affect the way energy moves and responds. Faith has been shown to provide amazing results. Results that top-notch scientists couldn't explain.

Now as I stated in previous posts, I don't think that faith is going to solve the worlds problems, cause or prevent catastrophe, nor do I think it has anything to do with the problems of the world that we as a people have put ourselves in.

However, I don't think it's a shallow question to ask what others think about something. And I believe, and know from personal experience alone, that faith can be a force to be reckoned with.

~Darken

The original question is a good one. I fear that the "distortion of faith" will have a cataclysmic impact on humans. Vile actions have been committed in the name of God, and humans continually use Faith as an excuse to do nothing because it's all in HIS will. Yeah, we have iPhones, iPods, and, apparently an iUniverse that we celebrate, but our fall back is always incomplete writings from a dark time long past when such things would have been deemed frightful, not understandable, and therefore, evil.

The common word for faith is the Greek word pistis. However the word elpidos is also used in The New Testament and is rendered as meaning hope.
The English words faith and hope carry the idea of trust, assurance that what has been told will occur. The word hope means confidence, faith, reliance, trust, belief, and assurance.
Faith, trust, and hope are used interchangeably. A related word to elpis is elpizo. It is translated as hope inn parts of the New Testament, but mostly translated as trust. A related word to pistis is pistio. It is translated as believe in some places but it is also translated as trust in others.

So having "faith" is nothing more than hoping that a thing will occur.

It is a well-known fact that religious modernists read the Bible through the rose-colored lenses of their own naturalistic presuppositions.

SO....the hope that "god" will do this or that is akin to hoping that the train will be on time because the schedule says so and the schedule is scripture for the railroad it has to be because it's in print.

You have to be careful with translations when they go into English the original meaning is watered down or used to express a more presumptive meaning.

Do I acknowledge the existence of a "creator" sure I do, and I also acknowledge the fact that one will never understand the complete meaning of things in relation to a "creator" unless one gets away from the English.

Jesus spoke Aramaic which is written in Hebraic characters but spoken in an Arabic tongue. So it's important to get to know the "feelings" behind the words in the tongues they were written in.

Will "hope" be the final solution? What are you hoping for?

The Earth is going through natural events of its evolution, there is no global warming which was the biggest scam to be perpetrated in hopes of "needing" the government to save us...and it was proven false. The Earth is going through its own naturally occurring cycle and the governments of the world had hoped that humans wouldn't be capable of putting 2 and 2 together. The New World Order is very real no conspiracy theories about that.

So if you want "faith" to be a final solution you must know what "hope" is being sought for.

It's people that need to wake up. Faith or not, regardless of you spiritual positions. people must stop the wars and polluting. People must stop having children. We have to change our consumerism habits. We need to recycle more and use alternative energies.

The Bible (for those who care to know) says faith without works is dead. So, if you have faith yet do nothing about it, your faith is pointless.

Faith that God will just fix everything that we have screwed up without consequence, is the very definition of foolishness.

Master Dabs at least 3 people plus me like the thread so please feed elsewhere;

Master Denko I take issue with your statement "this is a natural cycle "

The Carbon Dioxide at theses levels is not even close to any natural cycle discovered in the past.

And the rate its increasing is scaring the Military, n they don't scare easy...precious.

It's common sense really, we set fire to 300 BILLION BARRELs of oil a year....imagine that sight in your back yard.
It's alot of black smoke, but once its absorbed...how can faith focus on the invisible? faith needs symbols, crosses, bells, robes, candles, chanting...?
Difficult to focus on nothing?

Knowledge of the evolution of atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations throughout the Earth's history is important for a reconstruction of the links between climate and radiative forcing of the Earth's surface temperatures. Although atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations in the early Cenozoic era (about 60 Myr ago) are widely believed to have been higher than at present.

Also

The Earth's Axis has shifted

This has created severe changes in our global weather, seismic & volcanic activity... And it will get much worse.

The science is clear, it is normally in a range of 180 to 280 and now it WILL HIT 500 parts of carbon dioxide per million.

Axis shift and volcanic activity to date is NOT responsible, it IS a man-made phenomena.

In any dynamic system there are always other influences, sun activity, volcanoes etc but to suggest this is natural is like saying God invented the combustion engine.

Interesting

But....funny how the same scientists screaming a year ago the same point you're making now have changed their tune since....hmmm
Oh well they're still using the same history books in schools today that they used 50 years plus ago also...hmmm

Your posts are dead on DAVY.It is a natural cycle .

Let me get this straight, are you suggesting the military have sooo... much spare time ( and are not busy in Libya, Afghan/ Iraq/Iran/Syria etc )
They just thought they would throw this problem in for good measure?
I think not.
As for books, you quote carbon dioxide levels in the pre-historic age, you remember that time right;
Mass extinctions, sea level rises indeed at one point the earths sea currents became static and stagnant...if this is the natural cycle you alluded to then you may wish to avoid that scenario.

You lost me a long time ago wit the "Military" what does the military have to do with this?

Master Denko I take issue with your statement "this is a natural cycle "

The Carbon Dioxide at theses levels is not even close to any natural cycle discovered in the past.


Your words...not mine




The past covers that prehistoric time...with the dinosaurs...you know dinosaurs...they were bigger than cows but it seems that cows cause too much carbon dioxide...so say the scientists.

Actually it is methane that cows fart that is damaging.

Talking of hot gasses show me one study that shows Carbon Dioxide acceleration like this in the last 2 million years ? I have seen none but will bow to your greater knowledge if you can show me one not payed for by the OIl/Coal industry who regularly "buy" scientists.

(look what you've done, you've started me off on all the bent scientists again)

The dinosaur stuff is irrelevant since we were not around.

In other words the last "relevant" massive carbon dioxide emmision was from the Indonesian super volcano 70,000 years ago and only 20,000 humans survived.

I do not recommend repeating that scenario either.

The dino stuff is relevant..So are those ancient volcanoes , flood basalt emissions and continental rifting cause massive ammounts of CO2 to be emited emissions.Not to mention variability in solar output,
ocean circulation, and changes in the geometry of the
Earth’s orbit and tilt of the Earth. Fallen,just read about The Milankovitch cycles,you will understand more about this as a natural cycle.

But in the end,would faith be the final solution?Would faith prevent it from happening?

I dont believe so.

No... it wasn't Moses.
Science has shown how that 'miracle' took place.

I spoke of King Canute.

As for the rest, Davy called it right, as did others, these events are cyclicle and, have nothing to do with the military, state or, any conspiracies...

So as to the question as phrased, would Faith have a chance of stopping a natural event, I doubt it.

Oh... but of course... Faith as the unquestioned belief in the unevidenced Supernatural, has always been the "Final Solution" in the eyes of the True Believer... to any question, any situation, any dilemma.

Throughout history, Faith has provided the "Final Solution" to any and all questions and "mysteries," answering Humankind's fears and insecurities with superstition and falsehood masquerading as unquestionable truth... and punishing anyone who dares to question that "Final Solution."

When Galileo presented his logical evidences for a Sun-centered solar system, the "Faithful" condemned him and imprisoned him. After all, the Bible declared the Earth as the center of all... and as Faith was their "Final Solution" to any issue, the thinking had already been done.

How dare a man imagine he could question the "Final Solution" Faith provides?!


When the monk Bruno in 1600 CE dared to logically propose the possibility of other star systems and the possibility of life thereon, the "Faithful" burned him at the stake, and for the same reason. When women were ridiculously accused of being supernaturally empowered by Satan, the "Faithful" happily burned them by the 100,000s throughout Europe, and for the same reason.

And when this same mindless Faith is become political rather than religious, the same exact results are found throughout history, as well... the same unquestionable "Final Solution" no matter how bloodthirsty, no matter how insane.

When in Ancient Rome, the emperors declared themselves gods and goddesses and ruled as though they were with the ultimate authority over life and death at a whim, the Faithful fanatically cheered them and supported them. When in Russia and China, in Cambodia and elsewhere charismatic rulers took over and their fanatical followers gave up all their rights and powers due to their Faith in such rulers, they were likewise rewarded with brutailty, torture and slaughters by the millions upon millions.

And when Hitler was likewise regarded as a God by his people, the Faithful likewise rewarded him ... and, in fitting reward anytime Faith is permitted to trump and domineer over Reason and Logic... Hitler gave them his own version of that same "Final Solution."

By unreasoning Faith alone, women have been for millennia regarded as inferior... because the Bible tells them so. By unreasoning Faith alone... racism in all its hideous forms receives its destructive power... because the Bible or Quran or other "holy book" dictates it as justified.


Will Faith be the "Final Solution" for us as a species if we continue to permit Faith to trump Reason and Logic?

Oh... undoubtably, yes!



- Upir'

Will faith be the final solution to solve all the worlds problems? No.

However, as I stated before, no not underestimate the power of faith. Faith, like any force, is put to good or bad by the person who has it. It is not destructive of itself. There are fanatics who do horrible things in the name of faith, and there are others who do wonderful things.

Faith has given people hope that they will find a way to make it through a rough time. Faith has made people walk again when all the scientists and doctors said it couldn't be done. Faith has given people a reason to go on living when it seemed like they had lost it all.

Unreasoned, blind faith can destroy people, I'm not arguing that very evident fact. But it is the person who chooses whether it will be a positive or negative force in their lives. It is energy and it is not inherently good or bad. People give it that direction. Would I stop using a knife because it could harm someone? No. Would I cut off my hand because it has the potential to use that knife to kill another? Of course not. It is likewise ridiculous to say faith is always destructive and basically 'should be done away with' because of the awful things PEOPLE have done in its name. Faith didn't do those things, people did.

~Darken

Usually I read responses before I post, buuuut... I just jumped to the post button.

My personal view on this?

I think saying "I'm just gonna pray about it and let God take care of it for me" is a very lazy thing to say and/or do. Either we fix it ourselves or its not getting fixed.

I think faith is a good thing in that it creates a positive energy to motivate change, but faith alone is not the answer, action and making steps to change are important.

And I agree with whoever said it was a natural cycle in things, history shows the planet doing this over and over again. We aren't helping matters but it is partly natural as well.

ok let's say it is not " man-made."
...it is still a big problem.
My brother is VP for the 2nd largest oi field, trust me I know.

I have to ask you ..What does that have to do with faith as a final solution?

Im sorry apparently the countess has forgotten that in the initial post she brought up the article by the military and it was not Davy who never even mentioned them. Oh and when did we go to war with Syria?

Personal view, we are all fucked and to be quite honest if one country does make these changes to "save the planet" good for them but they aren't saving anything lest we forget about every other country in the world whom at least half of them could care less. Faith, I don't see that saving any day, for the most popular belief in these united states looks forward to the world's end.

You hit the nail on its head, half don't care, which half ?

I don't have much faith these days. Too many cruel people.

Everything dies in this world. I don't believe a spiritual being is going to stop that from happening just because we ask it to. This is the natural order of things in nature and like everything else we have to live through it even if it is difficult. We are no greater or less than any other creature or being, we are no exception to the way nature works. However, I do believe we will live on spiritually.

The solution if you were convinced that humans were destroying the planet would be either one country or an alliance of countries dedicated to the pro-green agenda would have to conquer the world and impose strict laws that forced people to implement the necessary changes. Basically freedom would be out of the question.

Ay Ay Ay....Ladies and gentlemen, let me tell you my side: The world will not end. Faith is a remedy for the fear of dying. No, we are not destroying the planet, the planet is just changing, is more like a menopause. Faith can not be solution, where there is no facts in faith. So, hate or love me, those are the choices.

Environmental degradation is a good starting point for discussing FAITH.

It's possible that environmental challenges come in a two-fold package. Natural and man-made. We can only address one of these at this time.

Oceanne says: Would faith prevent it from happening?

For me, the answer is NO and YES.

NO: Faith can't prevent the natural disasters from happening.

YES: FAITH can prevent humans from seeking solutions to disasters that we cause.

I think much of the denial I hear re. the environment is as follows:

1. peeps are employed or invested in the petroleum or manufacturing industries and stand to lose income with regulation. They're also listening to just once chorus of believers, and,

2. FAITH is at the core of their HOPE-drenched hearts.

Faith that it will never end because it always was and always will be.

The latter allows them to look at pictures of air pollution in China and see only a foggy city.

Look at the statistics of people, here in the U.S. and around the world, living close to mining or mfg. interests, and their incidents of death, disease and deformity, and see no connection.

This purely and simply self-interested and deluded FAITH at work.

Faith is not an inherently negative thing. It is a tool, like any other, that can be put to both good and bad uses. Faith does not delude people, people delude themselves. Faith does not seek to blind people to truth. Other people, using faith, do that. Faith is not a sentient force that speeds through the air seeking victims to corrupt. It is simply a tool. Used by some to bring hope and strength, used by others to control and inspire fear. Stop blaming FAITH for what PEOPLE choose to do.

~Darken

Not "Faith", but "Fear" will be the driving force for the end of the world. 2012 is just around the corner.

Another problem with Faith being a final solution is that it will punish those who do not have it. it becomes the excuse especially for evangelicals who believe that jesus will come back, rule the earth and all the rest of us burn in hell.

With faith we can move mountains? but we should start with electrons? I see them lining up for 2012, everyone is doing it, subconsciously you think you deserve it.

I don't think the year 2012 will really be relevant. It seems more of speculation, from what I've seen

The only faith I can see solving this problem is mankind. Faith that they may wake up if it is not too late and wise up and turn things around. Gods and Goddessess will not take away freewill. I f mankind wills the destruction of Earth, then so be it.

From my experience religion has always maintained a certain level of dominance over the political constructs of their domain. It has only been in the most resent of times that religion has taken a back seat to governmental wishes. I have never seen a time when any religion has remained silent on a topic and if it effects them enough you can bet your last dollar on them getting involved.

Just because they aren't flexing their muscles now doesn't mean that they can't or won't.

"Faith" begets "The blind leading the blind".