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Many people on these sites go either both ways. They are here to role play or are serious about learning and talking about the paranormal.

How open are you to things we have no proof of?

Well I thinks having a professors are a very good thing however not always needed. Some people are natural learners while others learn through experience so it really depends on the topic if a prof is necessary.

Faith does not require abosolute proof, yet we all see what we want to see, it is our nature.

That's alright Doru! OP had a typo with the word sight instead of site.


I am very open minded. People would be surprised. I do not share though.
I am open minded but prefer the role of Devils Advocate.
Sometimes I will argue against things that I know are possible simply because I am skeptical of others.

I'm open-minded, but not to some fanatical point. I still need to be logical while learning of things yet to be proven.

I'm here to learn. All the different types of forums on this site have helped accomplish my learning goal.
I also like to believe in the paranormal, whether proved real or not. I have gone on paranormal investigations and some things just can't be debunked.

No matter how "open minded" a person is illogical activities do not happen.
Spoons do not bend simply by willing it, objects do not move without physical inertia

It is often telling that those with the most "Open minds"will not accept simple facts to explain what they immediately rule to be "Unknown".

I don't need to be open-minded to know the experiences i've been through. Not everybody has them and they won't understand until they do.

I am open minded. I don't judge based on here say or appearance. I have never been oppositionally offensive to another race of religion until they do so to mine. I think that proof is not our foundation but our roots and will power to believe. If you wish to learn do it openly not in negativity. And don't lie, that would be too disgraceful. That is my thought on the subject and my appologise if I have been offensive but I cannot help what I think.

Refusing to be open-minded about close-mindedness is in fact being close-minded.
In order to see a haunting image light must in some way interact with the optical nerve or with an electrical device. If the Electrical inputs of the brain or camera can pick up an image then it means that an electrical impulse is coming from somewhere. The same goes for auditory and olfactory.

If something cannot seemingly be explained by science then it must be further studied until it can be conclusively or inconclusively proven.

I think its fairly safe to say that most on tis site do have open minds.But there is a big difference between open mindedness and downright brainlessness.One doesnt have to believe everything one hears or reads to be open minded.To dissregard evidences or logic simply because we might want something to be real so badly is just brainless.

I think there are so many things in our universe that can not be explained by mundane science. Despite how much we try.

I am open minded simply because I like to learn. I am open to both sides of something and will debate whether something has a physical explanation or not.

Some things can be explain but I am open to accepting that not everything in existence has a reason or does not form to our expectation of explanation.

Mundane science? So is there a special science? Just curious is all.

Science is science pure and simple. When a person claims that science cannot explain their phenomena it is because they don't know which scientific route to take. If you look hard enough anything that is possible, no matter how unlikely can be supported by science. If it cannot be supported by at least a legitimate scientific theory then it is fiction.

Not everybody has to pick apart what is shown in a scientific manner. Just saying.

Everybody doesn't pick things apart in a scientific manner. I just like to know how things work.

Science involves investigation. So if it is presented in a scientific manner than it should be able to explain itself when investigated.

Some things are constructed around the globe that leave many baffled. You would think it can be explained but i think under certain circumstances, that probably won't happen.

Constructed? I am sure that if something has been built people knew how it was done at the time. Just because something is very old people assume that the civilization that created it was primitive.

Meaning that there are places that have been found that leave others baffled because in their eyes, the way the structures were formed, the perfection of it mathmatically, the fact it seems it would require the use of tools that they shouldn't have had in their time, doesn't make sense to them. Not saying our ancestors were primitive. Never stated that. There's just some things that are obviously a concern that is pointed out, that man of that time shouldn't have had access to?

Oceanne: ... there is a big difference between open mindedness and downright brainlessness.


Dear Oceanne, you just said a cotton-pickin' mouthful. As it takes both knowledge and rational thought to be truly open minded without falling into shameless gullibility, few there be who appreciate the truth of your words... especially here. Thank you for interjecting such a key and foundational caveat to all the "open-mindedness" here. ;)

I believe I am open minded about anything and respect others' opinions even when they disagree. As for the paranormal, I am open minded on it. First of all I always liked these things, secondly I expirienced stuff myself. I know I might not be believed because I can't give proves. What proof can I have of what I saw and heard. I got nothing toungable. However I know that I'm honest and not trying to impress. After all I never said that if I get pissed at someone I'll turn into a bat and attack 'em through the monitor. There are some things that make me raise my eyebrow, that's why I agree with Oceanne too.

I hate to say this,and Im sorry if I offend anyone, but one of the easiest ways to tell that you're arguing with someone poorly educated or NARROW minded is if they claim "science doesn't know everything!" in defense of some weird belief or other.
And why would I say such a thing?
Because virtually any claim that we can make, at some point, is going to touch upon something objectively measurable or observable,which in turn ,is going to have to fit with the rest of scientific knowledge.
SOMEWHERE.
This is why it is so important to make use of ALL types of knowledge when considering something we might find at the moment"unexplainable".

I will give an example..

I have argued for quite a long time that ghosts and other hauntings,including the feeling we might get in large churces etc might in fact,be the result of infrasound or electromagnetic exposure.Everytime I bring it up,it is blown off in two ways..it is either ignored,or I get chastised for "reducing" this realm of spirituality to "nothing but some affect of a mundane mechanism."

Everytime.

Now why is that? why wont many even consider the idea?Because it goes back to a science.And no one wants to consider the idea that they are one in the same... we want to believe in something so badly,that anything which might suggest that it is some natural phenomenon,or other reason that can be or has been observed by science is quickly deemed ludicris .
Because the metaphysical and science world ,in some minds,cannot go together.Even though now,years down the road,they are finding that it is a good probability that infrasound and magnetics may very well be at the root of ghost sightings.One way or another.
Yet still,some will not even look.

THAT to me is a perfect example of narrow or closed mindedness.

We really need to consider all of our options if we really want to take a closer look at things we currently consider paranormal phenomena.
Just sayin.

@Upir ;)

Yikes,sorry for repeated statments in my posts everyone.Havent had enough coffee yet .

"Meaning that there are places that have been found that leave others baffled because in their eyes,"

Are you saying that some are baffled at ancient amazing feats even by today's standards while others are not Psi? Please elaborate?

Oceanne please don't misinterpret what I was saying.

I'm not saying science is bad, I'm saying there is an awful lot of bad science. The list of foolish scientific discoveries and or explanations for them is just as long as the list of claims we know to be false from the alternatives to science.

But to say that everything is explainable by science and then not have the ability to prove that is no different then saying their is a God and the world is his hot air balloon.
There is not a single shred of evidence that can prove there is a God or as ghost... just as there is no shred of evidence that can prove or disprove the big bang theory. Both ideologies require a leap of faith. A leap of faith for a scientist is some how more accurate than that of anyone else that reaches their conclusion the same way?? Are they both not an educated guess based on what they believe to be truth??

You see the close mindedness aspect happens once you reach a point where you personally decide your way is better or more righteous and stop listening to other ideas.
That is something that happens on both sides!!

@8thHunterScar

What I meant by mundane science, is simply the physical sciences. I do believe there are great many things of our universe that can not fit into physical rules of applied science.

Whether you call it supernatural or paranormal studies, it has many names, there are things that we are trying to explain with human thought, or mundane reasoning.

Aspects of the spirit/soul, afterlife or the the existence of gods/higher power will always be unattainable because they don't dwell in the physical realm. Therefore any "scientific" study of such is mundane.

"Oceanne please don't misinterpret what I was saying. "


Dont worry Serv,I might not be as smart as most here,but I have not misinterpreted what you have said.I have seen it time and time again in here,and Im just stating what I have observed.I also had to make a stament FOR science,as what from I read in your post did nothing but bash it.


"I'm not saying science is bad, I'm saying there is an awful lot of bad science. The list of foolish scientific discoveries and or explanations for them is just as long as the list of claims we know to be false from the alternatives to science. "

Yes,and you and I are communicating here on our computers with our coffee or whatever you choose to drink in the am,if anything ,because of all the bad science going around.:) I wonder how many times it took designing ,redesiging,building and rebuilding in order to get an engine to work...

"But to say that everything is explainable by science and then not have the ability to prove that is no different then saying their is a God and the world is his hot air balloon. "

Hmm,then what you are saying is that nothing has ever been proven by science?Think about what I said ..in a round about way,it comes back to it or touches it one way or another.

"There is not a single shred of evidence that can prove there is a God or as ghost... just as there is no shred of evidence that can prove or disprove the big bang theory."

Wow,really? Then you and I are not looking at the same things .Because science ,and what little I know of it, tells me that some of these things can in fact,exist.The flounder comes in our misinterpretation of it.

"Both ideologies require a leap of faith. A leap of faith for a scientist is some how more accurate than that of anyone else that reaches their conclusion the same way?? Are they both not an educated guess based on what they believe to be truth??"

So,what youre saying is that if we both look at and drink from a cup,and science tells us that it IS a cup,then simply because you have determined it is a cup in a different manner because of your own ideologies,somehow the science people would say that the scientific conclusion is more accurate?
And if someone else determines that the cup does not exist at all because of their own education or perception,then it isnt a cup at all?
Im confused by the need of that statment actually.


"You see the close mindedness aspect happens once you reach a point where you personally decide your way is better or more righteous and stop listening to other ideas.
That is something that happens on both sides!! "

And this is exactly why I posted what I did.And stated TWICE that it is important to employ all tools available to us..including science.

Upir.."it takes both knowledge and rational thought to be truly open minded without falling into shameless gullibility"

Thank You I was trying to find the words for this yesterday but was having a great deal of trouble due to migraine.

PsiGoddess, no.
People have as much a tendency to overanalyze as they do under-analyze.
Just because something seems to have been beyond the scope of Early civilization doesn't mean that it was. Thinking beings are adaptable and if they want to do something they will figure out how to do it.
Like how my cat figured out the light switches in my house.
The shape and form very likely has purpose that cannot be divined because the people who constructed it are dead, long dead and took the actual key to their long dead languages which leaves us trying to guess and piece things together as best we can.

But they do not defy logic.

Someday thousands of years from now, if our civilization should happen to die anytime soon that is, The ancestors of our surviving humanity will be puzzling over cell phones and supposing they were some sort of cooking utensil.

Severus, I have long believed that Science can be used to explain the plausibility of things which are mysterious. By delving into the Physics of Phenomena we can actually see the possibilities.
For example; maybe in the case of a haunting instead of being a spook who won't let go perhaps it is a place in which some of the barriers in place memory are for some reason thin. So what people are seeing is actually happening, is an event drawn out to perpetuity because of the intensity of emotion attached to it. It is possible that at that particular moment for the specter, from the past or the future, that were they to stop for a moment what they are doing they may see you, seeing them.

"I have long believed that Science can be used to explain the plausibility of things which are mysterious. By delving into the Physics of Phenomena we can actually see the possibilities."

Exactly MK,and Ive been saying this very thing for years here in hopes that others might see it also.But the bottom line is,many dont want to hear what science might have to say about Metphysical or spiritual things,and this has been demonstrated in the forum over and over... So the convo ends up going down the same old road of science VS whatever.

That in itself is an example of narrow mindedness .

Oh Sev,sorry about the typo in your name earlier...

LOL after all is said and done,no matter how we see things or come to our conclusions about them,we just have to learn about things on our own terms.It might take ten minutes for some or ten years for others.Either way,we all learn what we learn and take it to the grave.

Its just good to see everyone posting,no matter what.Diversity is a good thing n the forum.:)

im open minded i enjoy reading paranormal things i also like cryptozoligy

Well hopefully in the future on VR people will be open-minded enough to allow others to express their viewpoints without being attacked in some form because another doesn't agree with it. Good evening. :)

So there should not be any debate on the forums is what you are asking? Interesting though I would not use the word attack cause in my mind that involves some physical interaction.

I thought the general forums have been a lot less "violent" in spirit than some of them I have seen in the past. I haven't seen any of that at all.
I have seen people apologizing in advance for no good reason and I have seen answers directed at individuals specifically.

In many things I'm open minded but there are a few people IRL and their thoughts that I'm close minded against as this protects me from them

I am open minded to new things and new experiences. Try living life to it's fullest with a closed minded attitude.

I believe that to be open-minded a person must be willing to listen to the ideas of others. Even if we don't agree. Even if it proves us wrong.
I listen and discuss with a fully open mind a variety of topics.
I have discovered that by listening to and reading the same things over and over again, information that was once disregarded can be incorporated into our understanding and the idea evolves into possibility.

I believe science as a whole is a good thing... And yes a cup is a cup just as a computer is a computer, that has never been questionable. But what makes a spirit a spirit or even the process of creation and death itself are issues which are still debatable.

Many of the higher mysteries we face including the paranormal are not really solvable by either science or the alternatives to science. The question was how open minded are you... My point was that the scientific community tends to be the more close minded group in this arena. They are often very quick to dismiss anything that doesn't fit with what they already believe.
The mantra has always been "follow the evidence" but in many cases evidence is over looked or disavowed completely in order to keep the status quo. Yes science is capable of explaining the plausibility of a theory... but that doesn't mean it should be treated as a fact and many people do just that.
Since we are discussing the paranormal, life and death... that puts creation at the heart of the topic. So if you take a subject like creation and place it on a level that adequately reflects reality what you find is that the science falls apart. In fact there are few high profile PhDs out there that would argue the theory of evolution ( ooze to you's) can explain the genetic process of life and the progression of that life within any given species but it doesn't work when taken to a planetary scale much less a universal scale.
We are taught that math is a exact science, and scientist use math to justify their findings. Why?? Well because "the numbers don't lie"... right!! So why is it that when evolution is shown to be a mathematical impossibility (not just once but over and over again) the scientific community ignores the findings??


Answer: Status qou

A person open minded is a person who has experience of life and unlimited understanding. Is a person who doesn’t emits prejudices and complexes from two in two phrases. A person open minded doesn’t mean a low cost person who can be buy with a juice. And all of these because the person has the ability to see beyond intentions.

A person open minded is a person who is ready and willing to accept opinions and ideas, who can be tolerant, receptive and progresive.

"I believe that to be open-minded a person must be willing to listen to the ideas of others. Even if we don't agree. Even if it proves us wrong."


Wjen it comes to the ultimate meaning of an open mind...bottom line is exactly what MoonKissed has said right there.For me anyway.

The importance of logic when dealing with the so called "supernatural" is essential.
Reality and phantasy are two different things and it`s best to be considered like that.

1. Law of identity. Everything is what it is. A is A (A is Identical with A).
2. Law of Contradiction. A cannot be A and not-A at the same time.
3. Law of Exculded Midddle. A is either A or not-A
4. Law of Sufficient Reason. There should be sufficient reason to all happenings. (leibnitz)

Any error from these four base principles of logic could lead to illusion or madness.

However in art and creation in general the breaking of this rule is fundamental, mostly in the vampire literature. Any fantasy literary or artistic creation is interesting because the laws of logic are ignored.
The masters of horror are those who make this slip from reality to fantasy very interesting and often unnoticed.

In science new discoveries are always based on new unexplored territories and not on the breaking of logic.

Excellent post DR!!! And I agree fully.

One thing to cover the original comment about the RPs here..yes,I see there are many and I think thats the beauty of VR.We can come to learn,teach,talk and make friends,either in fantasy or reality.

Good points all, DR...

... Of course, this presupposes we first possess the correct value (definition and understanding) for "A"

;)

Charletons, and frauds reign supreme over open minded people, Too often open minded people are bilked out of life savings, estate payments, and Antiques. All thief covered by a veil of mystism, ora staged phemomena.

How long is it reasonable to save these people from themselves? Cattle Sheeple Bahs

Thats why it is so important to use logic when investigating these things,but most importantly, prudence .

Its funny though,because even the most open minded people get accused of not being so the very minute they question things.

I know right. Its like "your asking questions? how dare ya!"

Yes Hunter,it really is! And if you keep asking,all of a sudden,its percieved as an attack.Or if you dont agree,and let them know why,thats an attack too.
When you bring any kind of evidence,even though it might be solid,its met with "Science doesnt know everything!"
And percieved as an attack.

Im not sure about you,but I dont see that as openmindedness.

Dabs, you are referring to gullible people.
Gullibility cannot be confused with open mindedness..

Im going to have to go with MK on this one Dabs.
But in all fairness,I have seen what I thought were loical,open minded peeps fall into a bad situation because they believed what someone was telling them.Some people have the gift of gab...when those people perfect that gift for something underhanded,even those who might not normally be gulible,can fall for their spiel.Con men and women can be very good at what they do.They are good at spotting weaknesses and emotion,and they are very good at exploiting them .
We actually have a couple of them here on VR .

Gonna go with Dabs on this: the Gullible always confuse their gullibility with open-mindedness. And that was, I believe, his primary point.

im very open mided theres too much we dont know and history is full of eg of humans knowing it for def then being proved wrong.

M. Lemar Keene a former top ranking spirit medium coined the Phrase True Believers and I think that demonstrates the gullibility of the irrationLLY open minded.

To me, 'seeing is believing'.

That doesn't mean I do not consider the possibility of the opinions of others to be true, it just means I need more to consider it truth myself. Until then, I respect the views of others.

On the other hand, I guess I like the IDEA of something being unexplainable..

Faith and scientific proof have been battling each other for ages and the only answers revealed are the cynical debates of each sides biased beliefs without a definative answer. Yet, in all of the turmoil, open-mindedness has slowed the death rate of each side.

How open are you to things we have no proof of?

Now, that is an intriguing question. Many people don't need prof to believe, reason, their brain have been taking by others who are more prepared then themselves. To believe without prof and to have an open mid about any subject, take a good heart and mind to understand the consequences of that believe. IE, religions. There is absolutely no prof of any places related during a religious encounter, can be hell or heaven, and still millions of followers, reason, brain wash. The prof that you are looking, only exist within you.

I'm open minded but not stupid

I see those who do some "mojobanjo" the kind that roll their eyes and ask for cash to allow you to speak to the dead when in reality its a scam, and those who will say they will heal you and perform fake healing, like on those big "religious" guy on a stage with a pair of socks in his pants... you know the kind... those I do not beleive because they take people for stupid abuse of the trust hidding beind "paranormal " activity that does not exist.

When true paranormal exist they do not do all this "fireworks show off bring me cash, and show on tv b.s"

I had some experience, and it was damn scary and at other time I felt like wow...

presently I am and I know I amm garded by an angel and protected and blessed so much, it is often making me cry of joy releif and warmth inside. I also have seen things and dealth with things, but I would not goon tv shows and stuff like that.

Plus I am a Start Trek fan, how more open can you get? :)

I believe in what I can feel. And if my instinct tells me something is real, that is the path I'm likely to follow. I believe in energy and will power.

Ever since I was little I would see strange things out of the corner of my eye and I've always been able to feel when something was close around me like I was being watched or I could feel things touching me When I would ask questions in the dark just to see if I would get a reaction.

Considering the following, I'd say I am very open-minded as long as you're honest, respectful and don't want to steal my soul LOL

as if faith- lets just say who ever gets to know me with find the unexplainable lol.

"How open are you to things we have no proof of?"

I am very open.
because ANYTHING is possible.

But that ends in the very moment I find the-a person is lying.
At that moment I stop believing to anything he-she says.

I entertain most possibilities , some based on a common frame of reference.

I do not get in any serious discussions on certain subjects "online" , one just never knows what is really on the other end , although at times it is all too obvious. I feel it is best in person and I feel lucky to have discovered and come to know others in reality who can be open also and not blab to the world.

Scientists, ?
I love em but I couldn't eat a whole one.

What amazes me is you give scientists the tools to solve the puzzle and they still have an Epic fail.

They always ask for facts and yet when you give them enough meat to chew on for a year they would rather choose the vegetables. Why? because it's actually really hard to do the leg work. They want it on the plate.
More importantly anything that doesn't fit with coventional science has a buget of zero. Why? because budgets are controlled by politicians and those answerably to small minded commitees who are elected. Why? because the electorate would rather spend there cash on porn and companies who give them kick backs.
Thus true open minded scientific investigation is a fraud.

cOUNTESS if current science appeared to cater to your whimsical beliefs you would curl up in bed with that scientist. The "unconventional" scientist you speak of are the frauds, they are the ones who want dollar signs, and skip out on releaseing for peer review, so who is so money hungry now? stop your irrational attack on science already your sounding like a retard.

Well, I would rather sound like one than be one.

After all. it was you that declared you had been deceiving vulnerable folks by claiming to contact the dead, some fraudulent medium of sorts. Hat's off for handing yourself in, that took balls.

The fact remains I am not a fraud, just an ordinary man with an extra ordinary tale. Believe me or not, I do not care that is your problem. The fact you keep poking me in the ribs leads me to believe you cannot disprove what i say and that the facts I have given you are just a little too real. That's because they are real, the question is whether you have already decided it is all just chance?
The answer is yes , but it should be, we shall see.

People DO believe that something is going on and many of us experience it on a daily basis and this is what inspires some of us to research what we do.
What gets old however,are posts from those who contsantly declare "paranormal" or "its real" or "science cant explain" ect...and speak about all this stuff as though it were all fact,yet never present ANY evidence to back up what they say.
In ANY form.
Then to go on and slam those in the world who DO investigate, (scientists and others) all the while declaring they really do it all for one conspired reason or another.
Fallen/Contessa,you have been claiming this stuff for years here.To this day,sadly,you have produced nothing that would indicate what you claim is true.
Going on a promise that YOU made,we have waitied ,time and time again for you to fullfill that promise by bringing your so called evidence to the table.But not once have you followed through .
In fact,all you do is argue or "poke",as you put it ,in attempt to get someone to get into it with you,so as to distract the convo away from the original topic.

So seriously,I will ask you again.Instead of turning every thread you post in into a slamfest against science or other members,just give us SOMETHING to go on when you make a claim as fact.Otherwise, at least acknowledge that it is your opinion and nothing more.This way there is no misunderstanding.

There are open minded people here to various degrees,but some just arent so much so that they will fall hook,line and sucker for any tale that comes down the pike.
And some are so much so that they fall for anything.

There are a lot of role players here too ,who are open minded enough to know where real life ends and fantasy begins.While some,dont know where to draw that line, and end up getting sucked into living a life online that is pure fantasy.This is when it becomes really detrimental to real life situations because they just dont want to come out of it and thus begin neglecting things in their real lives when they try to bring that fantasy into their day to day lives.

The Medium I made mention of was M. Lemar Keene. Perhaps you would do well to actually comprehend what others post. He coined the phrase True Believer, and of one thing I am sure you Countessa also known as Fallen Star, ans Green Knight are a True Believer.

Actually Dab,I remember that ,and it is as you say.

Im all for being open minded in all matters,not just metaphysical ones.
Now days,it is very easy to fall into the whole fantasy thing more than ever before due to games and websites catering to it.And in my book,its all well and good.A litlle escape to get away from the daily humdrum.But Ive noticed some trends lately,some that began as pure fantasy,but have now ,somehow come to be things that people believe to be true.An example of this would be the whole hybrid syndrome.It isnt just vampires anymore.Or straight up wherewolves.
Now we have people coming in and totally believeing that they are some kind of Vampire/wherewolf hybrid,with all kinds of powers that would have originally belonged to a super hero or something.
It seems that people are tayloring their own to suit their tastes these days..which is fine.And very open minded as far as imagination goes.But when I begin to see people come here ,actually believing that these taylored creatures and their attributes are real,that is just a little alarming.

Oh damn, and I was having so much fun.

Oceanne, this businesss about me dissing science is simply unrue, I have always said science has achieved much, hats off to the dedicated.

However, as I believe Doru mentioned, they are often wrong. You know, bacon and aggs are a great way to start the day...Nuclear bombs are a great way to blast a pathy through the rockies...Coffee is bad for you, tea is bad for you...compact discs are scratch proof, half the universe is missing. The list is endless.

As for no eveidence? I did provide my bloodtests. I did provide photo's of the den in Wellington together with names. I did provide flight details and times. I did warn you on kismets. Researchers inability to verify these things is their lack of ability not my being shy. For instance, I am of the line Rhys ap Gryfudd...wiki shows the shield with the black Crow, the Rodn the great dynasty. My local paper shows me befriending the Crow,
my nickname was Crow....all true, all easily verified.Yet according to most scientists on here I am either dellusional or depressed.

If that's open minded Little wonder nobody in the know is willing to be a lab rat.

I'm open to things if I believer they can be proved real and truthful. Now I'm not exactly a believer in the paranormal but I'm open to be given the evidence that it is real

Im sorry,I never saw any of it.Perhaps you could point me in the right direction?Or post it again?
Life is full of hits and misses Fallen,but it doesnt mean that scientists are not open minded.many are.

I will send you something you cannot explain, I know you cannot explain it because 3 Doctors cannot.

For now I will not be called a fraud, my family of "Price" meaning son of "Rhys" still live in the ancient kingdom of Debreauth...descended from Rodri the Great, Rhys TWDR and Rhys Gryfudd, Mary Price lived to be 100, my grandmothers sister. Their coat of Arms was the black Crow on a shield.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gruffydd_ap_Rhys

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gruffydd_ap_Rhys

We spoke when I said I felt unwell in the Cathederal, you replied it was Lay lines, you may recall our conversation. I forgot about the whole thing. Then a year later I found out it is my ancestor buried there, and its covered in crows, incidentally one came over to squark. I have emails to prove the above , and probably photos of the trip plus correspondence between relatives...this is partly why I am open minded about such things.

I do remember that conversation,but dont recall getting anything that I would consider supporting evidence..Anyway,no has called you a fraud,we've only asked for evidence to support your claims.
Speaking of crows and ravens,what would be your take on the Tower of London legend? Would it take an open mind to believe in something like this?

Countess you have gone from barely talking on the topic to selling your own wares.If it is it your intent to do so why not just start another thread about how "different" and "special" you are.

Ok- keep the personal stings out of the thread. One more and I will come in and remove all of them.

Back on the topic.

Oceanne, I will send you copies of emails. You will see the dates are recent, the trip to Avebury was in May 2010. I offer only pitty to the close minded unecessary troll comments.

The Manor was where they filmed a portion of Harry Potter and is supposedly haunted, outside the stone hoofed fawn on a twenty foot stone tower, inside stone works of a Wizard, skeletons, an 8ft by 5 ft cauldron, a Dragon like stone Lizard, oil paintings of sacrifices etc, ancient red knight templar signs on the vaulted stone ceilings all ancient. The links between this place, The White Lion, witchcraft and St Davids cathederal date back to pre-history. Certainly Rhys Ap Twdr, the ancestor of the present Royal family would have visited these Iconic places. Truthfully, if anyone is interested, forget Stone Henge, this is the place to go. The village pubs are biker pubs, enjoy the cider.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avebury,_Wiltshire

You know it's almost intimidating to try and post on this thread. What some have said here is truly condescending from both points of view. There are all types of scientists around in numerous countries studying the same things with different results. I have stopped reading a lot of it because it was disheartening. Am I going to make a list of things I have been reading about over a lifetime...nope. How can anyone on here call another person a retard? Just the use of the word makes me kringe. I worked with people with this diagnosis and am offended anyone would use that for name calling here. Why do some people get so defensive? How can anyone be open-minded when they qualify that in numerous ways. Just because someone doesn't believe in something doesn't make it anymore less viable. If you feel it isn't logical well maybe the logic in it hasn't been established. Because of things I believe, I have met on and offline some outrageous people who have similar ideas that fall in the same category. For one I met a famous psychic thirty or more years ago that was debunking a stage illusionist publically. I found it very funny but I understood where he was coming from and his reasoning upon speaking with him. Most of what he did, not all was free and he felt people were being bilked out of their money. The other guy didn't call himself an illusionist. It's really all opinion. Scientists butt heads trying to get their ideas acknowledged first regardless of the viability. Not all of course but I know it is fact. Read the biographies of some of those who have passed and been famous scientists.

I am open-minded when others are and quite frankly most people aren't unless you agree with them. I have accepted that fact and only share most of the time with people I know.

Over my lifetime I have seen nothing but agendas on the side of research, science and faith based things. I try to keep an open-mind but people are stuck with ideas that are learned. Just because someone isn't interested in a topic that may or may not have scientific relevance doesn't make them illogical. We pay attention to those things we individually find interesting. It is getting almost like an old boys slapping on the back kinda forum. Science is not full proof. What we don't know now we may be able to explain in the future by scientists. What I don't like is each side has drawn a line where one says only science is factual and the other says I have lived with it and seen it and neither will usually give an inch. No one here has the right to make all these judgments about anything. Opinion is something else and usually isn't reactive. I found my stomach turning reading the posts. Why did I post, because so many said they were open-minded. I'd like to say I am now but reading all of these posts have closed my mind on the subject. I liked your posts Severus. I know how brilliant you are. Take a moment before posting to get down exactly what you mean. I know from conversations in the past you are very knowledgeable about the paranormal.

I look forward to getting the stuff Contessa and checking everything out.
So what about the Ravens? Do you feel there might be something to this and their relation to the tower of London?

You know,whether we choose to call ourselves open minded or notor whether we choose to belive ,it never hurts to at least check things out about any given subject..In all aspects.If we dont,we might end up loosing valuble clues.

If you had asked me that 3 years ago I would have laughed at you, but now I simply do not know. The Earth and Sun seem to be rumbling, I have a theory on this, but it isn't pleasant.
Existentialism may hold the clues.

This question of science and God/s and the The scientist can learn about the world by observation but Kierkegaard emphatically denied that observation could reveal the inner workings of the spiritual world. In 1847 Kierkegaard described his own view of the single individual:

God is not like a human being; it is not important for God to have visible evidence so that he can see if his cause has been victorious or not; he sees in secret just as well. Moreover, it is so far from being the case that you should help God to learn anew that it is rather he who will help you to learn anew, so that you are weaned from the worldly point of view that insists on visible evidence. A decision in the external sphere is what Christianity does not want, rather it wants to test the individual’s faith."
The supernatural is beyond me. The best I can offer is philosophy by quoting the existentialists these 19th century philosophers Søren Kierkegaard and Friedrich Nietzsche.
However, historically the Crows an Ravens were held in high magical regard. Even today the Royals fear the Ravens leaving the Tower as it was foretold the Crown will fall if they leave. I find it interesting the Vikings and Tolkien knew how smart they were all those years ago. Recent studies in Seattle show their social structure is closer to humans than chimps, the even mourn their dead...hence the phrase "a murder of Crows" when they gather to mourn at a fallen friend.

Here is the documentary, it makes you reconsider how smart these birds are, it's well worth a watch.http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/episodes/a-murder-of-crows/full-episode/5977/

...very open-minded.

After all, any theory is valid, until it's proven wrong.

I personally am very open minded i have experienced many odd thinks over the years as far as the supernatural is concerned :)

I do think there are alot of role players but I noticed after talking for a few to them it is easy to distinguish that they are not for real,I consider myself open minded but do I have blind faith,no.
I like to use common sense and factual evidence but I will tell you I am a believer in certain thing and in some other things not so much

Does science have all the answers? No.
Does faith or religion have all the answers? No.
Do we, as ourselves, have all the answers? No.

It is mere speculation of what we have in our hearts and interpret that into a more meaningful acceptance within our minds. Being open-minded is part of an intellectual being in pursuit of knowledge, understanding and wisdom. It is not something that can be handed to us on a silver platter, we must see, feel, integrate and accept if we are to be open-minded and not sit in judgement with closed minds, that goes for anything!

Amen, I accept my own ignorance as should we all.

I do find it interesting the interaction of men and mice affects light and particles everywhere, hence my thread on this new science.

Can the death, distress, conciousness of a biosystem alter matter, I am open minded.

The way I see it is, in life we should learn as much as we can about anything and everything. Sometimes it has no use, sometimes its just for fun. But I Like being open minded. Everything has questions to it, so why not learn, or seek the answers?

Here is my two cents on this subject. The supernatural, meta-physicial or whatever its called is just another realm of inquiry. People should absolutely be open minded about it all. Even men of science, and I mean true men/women (sorry) will never tell you as a matter of fact that God does not exist. All I will say however, is to be wary of the bad science as much as you would of blind faith (zealot faith).

Being open minded only means you are receptive to "new" ideas, not that you accept everything that is being said.

Thats exactly as I think of it too Doru.

Once a person stops listening,things kindof go downhill.

I'm weird in this. A walking contradiction. My first stance being. I have no faith that there is a god. My second stand is I am open to the impossible. I understand that there is stuff out there that i do not understand however I choose not to blame a god for it.

I used to be very skeptical to EVERYTHING that I couldn't see to believe. However, I've been studying reincarnation, entities, and just personal energy/mind's power. It has just made me a more positive thinker and overall a happier person.I say I'm waaaaaay more open to things in general... within reasonable bounds. :D

I live in a house were I've experienced a lot of
very weird activity, so I love to research the
paranormal. It's good to be a little skeptical,
but come in with your mind more than half open.

I am very open minded about Vampires, and would love to learn more about the lifeforbidden. Equally, I am very open minded about Wicca, as I see myself as one.

This site is helping me learn the different types of Vampires and different types of Wicca.

I am equally open minded about the paranormal, I have had a few experiences that just could not be explained in conventional terms as to what happened.

Just because you can't see, feel, touch, hear or smell something doesn't mean it isn't real. Paranormal entities are all around us, some try to get our attention to be able to help either ourselves or help them to cross over, other entities are here just because they want to be here, to cause mischief and sometimes harm to people. Nobody really knows why, but because it can't be explained using conventional terms, people say it isn't real or doesn't exist.

I am very open minded just because you cant see it feel it or have any real evidence doesnt mean it doesnt exsist. lot of people believe in ghost and stuff ive never seen but not saying they arent real, same with aliens who knows for sure the universe is a big place its possible, just like vampires i believe they are but thats my belief, some think im strange but i am me and proud of it

I am very open. Though I don't really believe anyone on this site that says they're truly a vampire...but I don't entirely doubt their existence.

I Am A Very Open Minded Person And Believe That Even Though We May Not Be Able To See SomeThing Doesnt Mean Its Not Real Or Not There , I Grew Up In A Haunted House. And Everyone Has Their Own Way Of Life Or Religion So To Speak, Just Because It Isnt Or Is The Way You Grew Up Or Taught Doesnt Mean Its Not Right Or Its Wrong .

I think I am very open minded. I also have learned that I can be a lil too open minded and grounding is a very good thing lol. Science is a wonderful tool we have to explore and explain the world around us and inside us. I am a fan of ALL sciences!

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