I was looking things up on google... ( I am currently in googlewhore anonymous lol) And I cam across a very interesting page on Countess Elizabeth Bathory. Now to my belief or to what I had heard that she was a typical blood drinking Vampire that still bathed in blood to keep her young.
Plus I didn't know she was married to a man called Count Ferencz Nadasdy. She was promised to him at age 11. When she was 15 and he was 25 they got married.
Later on she became unfaithful to her husband. He forgave her for this. She also found people to entertain her in the occult.
In the castle she noticed and had seen some devices that her husband used to torture prisoners and such. She became interested with these objects along with whips and other things to cause torture. When she was infuriated one day she hit a servant girl. When the blood hit her hand she believed that it made her skin look young again.
After her husbands death in the 1600s she took on many lovers and began to kill and torture peasant women. She has several people who went and brought peasant girls back to the castle to be killed and drained of their blood.
Not being completely satisfied with bathing in blood she began to drink it. Still not liking the effects she thought an accomplish said she should use better blood (blood of noble women). Which she killed at least 40 of.
In conclusion (and which brings me to my question... ) The reason she was investigated was because of her finical problems and debts. Plus the killing of noble women. Which makes it look like the main reason for her investigation was done because of peoples desire to gain her wealth and property.
Now this is my question after some background info.
Do you think that in society right now This could take place?
Do you feel that maybe even in some situations that is has taken place but, people just keep to themselves to much to notice?
Was she truly a Vampire or did her Lust for blood and pain get the better of her?
Also do you think that this story of Countess Bathory is a reason why some people perceive Vampires to be an erotic creature?
Talk and discuss =)
You can read the whole story < a href="http://www.angelfire.com/ny3/ENDEMONIADA/countessbathory.html"> Here
would have to be royal or have a hell of a lot of money to get away with . As in Bill Gates type money
Do you think that in society right now This could take place?
It could, if hidden well enough, take place in todays society. Look how long Dahmer beat, raped, killed and ATE his victims... well over 12 years before being caught.
Her schtick was bathing in blood. However the frequency with which she did it then would be hard to miss today. Thems a lot of milk cartons, kiddies.
Do you feel that maybe even in some situations that is has taken place but, people just keep to themselves to much to notice?
See above questions answer. Dahmer was caught because one of his victems got away from him. He had a nasty habit of keeping the remains of his victims in some form or another. The acid filled drum is was nauseates me. MEH.
Was she truly a Vampire or did her Lust for blood and pain get the better of her?
My question is did she keep the remains of her victims or did she even have a direct hand in their bodies being drained in the first place? These are activities that an actual Vampire would not and would (respectively) be envolved in.
Also do you think that this story of Countess Bathory is a reason why some people perceive Vampires to be an erotic creature?
I dont find her to be an erotic creature at all. I think Bella Lugosi and other actors had a hand in that. Also, what is defined as "Erotic" is defined by the times you're in.
Anything is possible I guess but what a terrible reason to die! I hope noone is doing this. Although bathing in blood sounds nice...wouldn't they worry about dieases getting in their u know and all the research to make sure every victem was clean. sounds like theyd be found
Wow, I have heard of another woman that bathed her victims blood. I can't remenber her name. I think I will look that up
i would have to agree with khayman, serial killers get away with all kinds of stuff. i think the thing that would cause the most trouble these days would be using wealthy women. the fact that hungary/transylvania are still fairly poor countries would make it even easier/harder. easier because they dont have the same investigating techniques as other countries, and harder because more people know everyones business in areas like that. gossips would deffinately begin to suspect something.
thintiffy, i dont think a serial killer will worry about that....they are crazy, they dont care about diseases...
now, if bathing in blood is your fetish...go to a butcher and ask for animal blood..
Nice thread, I love story of Elizabeth Bathory...
And I have more infos...
She killed more than 600 girls , lived on Slovakia, most of the time on the castle Cachtice....
She was raped by one unknown man before marriage with Nadasy, And she became pregnant...so in fact she had one girl from that man, and other (i think)4 children with Nadasy.
And other fact is that during she was prisoned, there was another woman with those needs.
I forgot the other womans name- Anna Rosina, also on Slovakia
Yes i think it could happen and yes i think she was very Vampiric
I have always been intrigued with her story especially the fact that her baths seemed to work
*bathes* Dawn
I think that there are more other ways of keeping your body young.....
And u dont have to kill for it =)
First, um, ew. Haha....
Awhile back, I read a slightly different story of her, in the article section of this site. I believe it to be the article section. Only slight differences, perhaps on the emphasis. That she was way big on torture, and was way cruel. The blood was an issue, but I seem to recall it being more on her cold nature. She had several people under her that were quite scared of her, but had to follow her orders. One woman, in particular was with her quite awhile...I need to see if I can find it, because it was an interesting read, much like yours. =)
She is what we like to call in the asylum, as nutso. That's the clinical term, yes. ;)
U r true, but the women who helped her was not against her cruelty, they were also possesed by it.
Well, it WAS this page:
https://www.vampirerave.com/vdb_view.php?entry=309
But, I can't get the link to work. Damn, it was a good one too. She was quite a freak.....and a Leo, so no wonder it was all about her. Sorry Leo's, you know it's true. Ha....:P
Heres somethin else- If u wanna see the castle where she did the most of her tortures...Here ya go:
(Cachtice) - it was built in 13th century. Originally, it was a palace with a tower which had the shape of a horseshoe. Gradually, a few other parts were built and the castle was extended. After 1392, the castle changed hands very often. The most known owner was Mrs Alzbeta Batoriova who was executed in 1611 because she killed a few young women. After 1715, the castle burnt out and was badly destroyed.


And here is her portrait.....

She had it in her face...
Here are some basic facts:
1560: Elizabeth Bathory is born into one of the oldest and wealthiest families in Transylvania. Her family had many powerful relatives -- a cardinal, princes, and a cousin who was prime minister of Hungary are among these relatives. The most famous relative was Istvan (ISHT-vahn) Bathory (1533-86). Istvan was prince of Transylvania and king of poland from 1575-86. It has been said that At around the age of 4 or 5, Elizabeth had violent seizures. These may have been caused by epilepsy or another neurological disorder and may have something to do with her "psychotic" behavior later in life.
1575: Age 15, Elizabeth married Count Ferenc (pronounced FAIR-entz) Nadasdy (NAW-dawzhd with silent y). The Count was 26 years of age. The count took Elizabeth's surname so that she could keep her name. They lived together in Slovak this Castle is named Cachtice (pronounced CHAKH-teet-suh). [To this day there is rivalry between the Hungarians and the Slovak's and you will get a blank expression if you refer to the "wrong" name.] The count spent a great deal of time away from home fighting in wars and for this he was nicknamed "The Black Hero of Hungary". While her husband was away Elizabeth's manservant Thorko introduced her to the occult. For a brief time Elizabeth eloped with a "dark stranger". Upon her return to Castle Cachtice the count did forgive her for her leaving. Back at the castle, Elizabeth couldn't tolerate her domineering mother-in-law. With the help of her old nurse Ilona Joo, she began to torture the servant girls. Her other accomplices included the major-domo János Ujvary (pronounced YAH-nosh OOEE-vahr-yuh), Thorko, a forest witch named Darvula and a witch Dorottya Szentes. The first ten years of their marriage, Elizabeth bore no children because she and Ferenc shared so little time together as he pursued his "career." Then around 1585, Elizabeth bore a girl whom she named Anna, and over the following nine years gave birth to two more girls, Ursula and Katherina, and in 1598 bore her first and only son, Paul. Judging from letters she wrote to relatives, she was a good wife and protective mother, which was not surprising since nobles usually treated immediate family very differently from the lower servants and peasant classes.
1600: At age 51, Count Ferenc died in battle and thus began Elizabeth's period of atrocities. First, she sent her hated mother-in-law away from the Castle. By this time it is thought that she had dabbled into some forms of sorcery, attending rituals that included the sacrificing of horses and other animals. Elizabeth, now 40 years old, grew increasingly vain and she feared the thought of aging as she may lose her beauty. One day a servant girl accidentially pulled her hair while combing it. Elizabeth slapped the girl's hand so hard she drew blood. The girls blood fell into ELizabeth's hand and she immediately thought that her skin took on the freshness of her young maid. She believed that she had found the secret of eternal youth. Elizabeth had her major-domo and Thorko strip the maid and then cut her and drain her blood into a huge vat. Elizabeth bathed in it to beautify her entire body.
1600 - 1610: Elizabeth's henchmen continued to provided Elizabeth with new girls for the blood-draining ritual and her blood baths. Elizabeth went out of her way to see to it that the dead girls were given proper Christian burials by the local Protestant pastor, at least initially. As the body count rose, the pastor refused to perform his duties in this respect, because there were too many girls coming to him from Elizabeth who had died of "unknown and mysterious causes." She then threatened him in order to keep him from spreading the news of her "hobby" and continued to have the bodies buried secretly. Near the end, many bodies were disposed of in haphazard and dangerously conspicuous locations (like nearby fields, wheat silos, the stream running behind the castle, the kitchen vegetable garden, etc.). But one of her intended victims escaped and told the authorities about what was happening at Castle Cachtice. King Mátyás (MAHT-yash) of Hungary ordered Elizabeth's own cousin, Count György (pronounced DYERD-yuh) Thurzo, governor of the province to raid the castle. On December 30, 1610 they raided the castle and they were horrified by the terrible sights. One dead girl in the main room, drained of blood and another alive whose body had been pierced with holes. In the dungeon they discoverd several living girls, some of whose bodies had been pierced several times. Below the castle, they exhumed the bodies of some 50 girls.
1611: A trial was held at Bitcse. Elizabeth, who refused to plead either guilty or innocent, and never appeared in the trial.. At this trial Johannes Ujvary, major-domo, testified that about 37 unmarried girls has been killed, six of whom he had personally recruited to work at the castle. The trial revealed that most of the girls were tortured for weeks or even months. They were cut with scissors, pricked with pins, even prodded with burning irons onto short spikes in a cage hung from the ceiling to provide Bathory with a "blood shower". Sometimes the two witches tortured these girls, or the Countess did it herself. Elizabeth's old nurse testified that about 40 girls had been tortured and killed. In fact, Elizabeth killed 612 women -- and in her diary, she documented their deaths. A complete transcript of the trial was made at the time and it survices today in Hungary. Of the people involved in these killings, all but Countess Bathory and the two witches were beheaded and cremated. Due to her nobility, Elizabeth was not allowed by law to be executed. The tow accomplices had their fingers torn out and were burned alive. The court never convicted Countess Elizabeth of any crime, however she was put under house arrest. She was sentenced to life imprisonment in her torture chamber and stonemasons were brought to wall up the windows and doors of the with the Countess inside. They left a small hole through which food could be passed. King Mátyás II demanded the death penalty for Elizabeth but because of her cousin, the prime minister, he agreed to an indefinitely delayed sentence, which really meant solitary confinement for life.
1614: On July 31 Elizabeth (age 54) dictated her last will and testament to two cathedral priests from the Esztergom bishopric. She wished that what remained of her family holdings be divided up equally among her children, her son Paul and his descendants were the basic inheritors though. Late in August of the year 1614 one of the countess's jailers wanted to get a good look at her, since she was still reputedly one of the most beautiful women in Hungary. Peeking through the small aperture in her walled-up cell, he saw her lying face down on the floor. Countess Elizabeth Bathory was dead. Her body was intended to be buried in the church in the town of Cachtice, but the grumbling of local inhabitants found abhorrent the idea of having the "infamous Lady" placed in their town, on hallowed ground no less! Considering this, and the fact that she was "one of the last of the descendants of the Ecsed line of the Bathory family", her body was placed to the northeastern Hungarian town of Ecsed, the original Bathory family seat.
more infos:
# Unlike most females of the time, Elizabeth was well educated and her intelligence surpassed even some of the men of her time. Elizabeth was exceptional, becoming "fluent in Hungarian, Latin, and German... when most Hungarian nobles could not even spell or write...Even the ruling prince of Transylvania at the time was barely literate"(20). Some modern scholars and contemporaries of hers postulated that she may have been insane, thus accounting for her seemingly inconceivable atrocities, but even a brief glance into her past reveals a person fully in control of her faculties.
# Dracula, created by the Irish author Bram Stoker, was based, albeit loosely, on the Romanian Prince, Vlad Dracula, the Impaler. Raymond T. McNally, who has written four books on the figure of Dracula in history, literature, and vampirism, in his fifth book, "Dracula was a Woman," presents insights into the fact that Stoker's Count Dracula was also strongly influenced by the legends of Elizabeth Bathory of Hungary. Why, for example, make a Romanian Prince into a Hungarian Count? Why, if there are no accounts of Vlad Dracula drinking human blood, does blood drinking consume the Dracula of Stoker's novel, who, contrary to established vampire myth, seems to appear younger after doing so? The answers, of course, lie in examining the story of Countess Elizabeth Bathory.
Whooops, sorry for it being so long....but I hope it will be interesting for someone....
Thats alright:)
A'least you didnt post the entirety of the Code of Hammurabi minus 66-99...
O_o
HAHAHA!!! *ducks*
Yes, at least u dont have to read any of those thick books about her =)
Bathing in blood is a little odd but i guess depending on one's environment and teaching by others is what shaped and molded the countess and in her mind, it's not as WE see it to be. So then we have to ask ourselves, who's perception is correct?
*bathes in daniel's blood* mwhahaha
hey, that code happens to be very interesting..
Thera, that's awesome information you searched up. =)
Thank you Darkness.....
Atleast one person who is really interested *winks*
Bathing is milk also seems a bit odd. Granted, one cannot compare blood to milk, but the same concept of beauty is put into place.
Perhaps she was not only obsessive about blood, but the effects it had on her body. She perhaps believed it was rejuvenating and all the like.
Vanity, my dears, is my favorite sin. ( God, i love the devil's advocate)
YES!!!!!
:: dances around like a fool::::::
the intelligence still lives on the RAVE!!!!
The Thread is great guys! I very much enjoy reading everything on it!
Thank you very much
::hugs::
bathing in milk
please excuse me.. it's been a long morning.
*wipes forehead *
Its good to see someone so happy as u r CountessMoon =)
*huge smile*
Yes and its also good to see some valuable thread again...
well no one said the capacity for rational/intelligent thought abounded within this here community.
O_o
As for the whole blood bathing thing..
DB:
What if the fetish is to specifically bath in HUMAN blood?...
Servants would be screwed.
Now a days... the homeless would be screwed.
There is another thing i wanted to point out but ima have to go back and read.... gimmie a second...
:D
Amasky posted this earlier:
i think the thing that would cause the most trouble these days would be using wealthy women. the fact that hungary/transylvania are still fairly poor countries would make it even easier/harder. easier because they dont have the same investigating techniques as other countries, and harder because more people know everyones business in areas like that. gossips would deffinately begin to suspect something.
Which is a very valid point.
Rich women would be harder to nab now-a-days... HOWEVER...
Back then it wasn't entirely rich women she was diggin for... it was the blood of NOBLE women that she was diggin for.
Back then it was thought that nobility rested in the blood... not in a persons actions (which is where *I* place them).
The blood of "noble" persons was thought by Dear Ol' Liz... to be of better quility to bathe in. Persnicity wench, won't she?
As far as areas that it take place in?... Yes, in one look at it... back country places: every one knows your name AND your business, like it or not. So if you go missing, they'll know it. Qeustion is, will they care? Ms. Bathory was of Royal/Noble lineage.
Don't piss them off. Their blood got them over looked a good bit of the time.
Think of it as social Johnny Cocherin(sp).
Noble/Royal = we're not gonna investigate. She'll strip me of house and home and Ill get bathed in. O_o
See where Im goin with that?
In modernday times... these countries are so poor that cannot afford a good legal side of things... they not being the accused... but the country in general.
There is, comparitivly speaking to the USA, no legal defense or prosecution.
War crimes and mass murders are still committed with no legal avail.
No different than what she had done... just HOW it was done.
I was goin for the Nobility thing at the beginning of the above post of mine...
Just happened that Noble/Royal women had mad loot.
It wasn't the money... it was the social stature of the bloodline thought to make her victims of bathing quality...
What I remember, and having read about it some time ago, she was not a vampire. She was percieved as one and feared as one when she began drinking the blood of her "victims". It was her fear of death that brought on her blood lust. She felt the blood of younger women would keep her young as well. Unfortunatly and if I remember correctly---she was killed when completely found out. I think beheaded
It was her fear of death that brought on her blood lust. She felt the blood of younger women would keep her young as well.
Fear of Death or Fear of Aging.
Pick one.
I don't agree with what the woman did but I do see similararities in todays women. It always seems that everyone is looking for a way to turn back time. And I have heard of so many radical ways of doing that from bathing in blood or milk, to only eating certain foods, to dousing yourself with every possible of cream and lotions made, to go to the ultimate surgery. It just seems to me that she went about it in a way that, to her
sorry, got ahead of myself....
It just seemed like a logical thing to her cause of the teachings of those days. I think it was standard practice to bleed sick people cause they thought the body's sickness came from bad blood. To my thinking that would help her with her reasoning that beauty also came from good blood and to replace the blood would offer longer beauty and a better life. I hope I got that out like I was thinking.
Erzebet Bathory wasn't the only Hungarian to find blood appetizing. A few centuries later, a man with a name that belied his violent tendencies -- Bela Kiss -- discovered his own bloodlust.
Many of the facts about Bela Kiss will never be known. He has to a large extent passed into myth and, in some imaginations, has grown into a figure larger than life. A Swedish metal band is called Bela Kiss and another metal band called PUS recorded a songs about him.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/history/bela_kiss/6.html?sect=6
Also to what I kind of grasp from the story on the link is that The Countess was also a very twisted person. She loved to torture people. It says that when she would find her victums and kill them they were still alive. Thier throats would be slit along with wrists and hung upside in a cage. She would also watch her husband torture prisoners with a device that even he was to disgusted to use.
Now did her desire for torture and hurting people give her the ultimate blood fetish? I think it could be held hand in hand. Being able to get away with things sometimes keeps us young.. hence killing. Then seeing blood across her hand making the illusion if her skin young in that spot again. Making her younger to everyone.. Vanity.
and Yes when I see this thread and the amount of people that are giving info I am running around like a dork happy ..lol
in the west we think the police will always triumph......but heres a statistic for you....
at any given time there are on average 40+ ACTIVE serial killers in north america....just think about the number of missing persons who are NEVER found?
and then ask again could it happen....
and just in case it was not mentioned earlier....prolly was...but i'm too lazy to read it all.....Bathory died bricked up in her own attick being fed through a small hole that was left for just this purpose.....
insane and bricked into a tiny cold stone room......such are just rewards
Yes, when I read that book, i was thinking about what brought her to tortueing and killing ppl, where she found that cruelty and so.
And I found out few possible causes.
* The fisrt one could be that she came from the Bathory gender, which was divided into two branches. In those branches nearly every second member (of family) was very cruel and has tendency to tortue and so...And as I read she became like person combined from this two branches, therefore she was so cruel.
* Next could be her hard life- as Countessmoon wrote she was promised to Nadasy in the age of 11, but she was forced to marry him in the age of 15. And also Nadasy was very cruel person.
* Before marriage with Nadasy, one day she was riding on her horse on stranger raped her and she became pregnant....But her baby was taken away from her....
* And the other thing is that it was said that she fell in love with the stranger. She was waiting all that time, thinking he will take her away from Nadasy, dreaming(thats why she hated her husband)...And when she became older and her face was aging she still wanted to be beautiful in that case that stranger wud come.
• And the other thing is that it was said that she fell in love with the stranger. She was waiting all that time, thinking he will take her away from Nadasy, dreaming(thats why she hated her husband)...And when she became older and her face was aging she still wanted to be beautiful in that case that stranger wud come.
The Stockholm syndrome is a psychological state in which the victims of a kidnapping, or persons detained against their free will – prisoners – develop a relationship with their captor(s). This solidarity can sometimes become a real complicity, with prisoners actually helping the captors to achieve their goals or to escape police.
I know the situations are not the same as she was not held captive by her rapist…. However the syndrome seems to fit…. Sorta… O_o
There used to be a great porn site called www.countessbathory.com I wonder what ever happened to it...
Ahhh but I digress....
O_o
But Moreish... you digress is the BEST ways, dah-link ;)
I think I seek something on her when I was watching the history channel. it was about the people of history who was believed to be vampires. it's very interesting to know!
Yes, the Stockholms syndrom really seems to fit in her case....
"Loving" her raper was probably the way she managed to overcome it and also that her baby was taken away from her...and so on
finally a thread i did not get bored of half way through! this was great and yes i think people get away with the things she did, for a time anyway. everyone gets caught eventually though and i am sure that is how they want it. otherwise how would they get the credit and fame they think they deserve for commiting such acts?
hehe morey tossing in a porn reference....
i'm soooooooo surprised.....
NOT!!hehhee
lol figures porn references my threads and me go hand in hand
:: smiles:::
:-) well its a subject which quite interests me, and I love an excuse to write my forum novels!
could it happen today, I say yes it could. In our free socity, we have so much extra leasure time, money, and freedom people have more time to delve into "other" things. The most recent case that comes to mind is Jeffory Dommer.
alot of good info on the countess as for it taking place in society today it does alot of smaller cults or just ppl doing it alone do that sort of thing
The more I think about it I think that this could happen more and more in our time.
Think of a few movies...
like Seven and Silence of the Lambs
the part where they both find people in the bathtub filled with acid to get rid of the body. Now with proper timing and the right place to be away from people .. this could get rid of bodies.
Another thing.. how many missing people are there in the world that have never been found or even touched upon where they could be. For all we know it could be going on as we sit and do what we do during the day.
JOhn Wayne Gacey (sp) killed people and burried them in the crawl space under his house. Jefffery Dahmer killed people and ate them with barbeque for goodness sakes.
Then to metion.. on the internet there are some strange things. I have had a guy message me and ask if I had wanted to be a model to take pics. Then it got interesting... He liked to do them in a hospital setting. Now he has the paddles, fake Iv's, hoses for oxygen, the tanks, a bed and so on and so forth. I have seen pics.. because I am twisted and had to see. But some of the girls look dead.
Now its things like this that make me wonder. If its this easy to lure girls in... how can it not be somewhat easy to drain them and dispose of the body.
well the I-70 is a frequent body dump zone and has been for decades.........
and then there was Robert Pickton and his pig farm in British columbia....and we appear to have one possibly two active serial killers wiping out hookers here in edmonton.....so i'd say....definately it could happen
hmmm... maybe I could do my history report on Elizabeth Bathory
Now Im reading new book- its trilogy about the life of Elizabeth,
First part is about how she tortured her victims, second is about fact from her life during bying prisoned and the last one....hum I havent read it.
But its written more truly with lots of unknown facts in it....I love it.
Thank you one and all for posting such excellent information. I have read bits and pieces of her life and even caught some shows on it. It's jsut one of those things a person finds fascinating to learn about ...
Wow this has been a really interesting post to read through and I can't add much of value but I do think that people could get away with murder these days most serial killers only get caught because they're sloppy or can't find a way to dispose of bodies I think if you had enough land or lived somewhere remote and researched your victims it'd be very possible (scary eh?) I'd also like to know has any research been done on blood being good for the skin?
Well according to this thread there was and she was bricked up in her own house for it.
So I dont think it go too terribly far...
O_o
Well Khay, but it took ages till they have arrested her and she killd lots of women.
EH the only reason she took a bath anyway was because bath is part of her name....
lol I dont think so....
Many reasons and the Basic one is that she wasnt english speaking...
I honestly dont believe she was a vampire. It was a way for people to explain what she was doing, because its easier to believe a monster would do something like that than a human.
Also I dont not believe she had anything do with the erotic nature of vampire's, Bram Stoker started that. Prior the Vlad the tales of vampire did not include beautiful sexy creatures. In fact historically vampires were more like zombies than anything, and people believed they would come back from the grave to feed odd of the blood of their family and other people in their villages.
I do belive that something like this could definitely happen today, But I agree with everyone else, they would be caught. Todays society is so connected nationally and globally that eventually these things would be noticed. It would make quite a news story.
Do you think that in society right now This could take place?
Surely, we listen to different crimes everyday, and teres too many we even dont know about...
Was she truly a Vampire or did her Lust for blood and pain get the better of her?
She was not a vampire, definetly not She didnt needed the blood to survive....And yes Lust for pain and blood took from her rest of everything good that remained in her.
Also do you think that this story of Countess Bathory is a reason why some people perceive Vampires to be an erotic creature?
No, I have read books about her and there is nothing to do with sexuality, am sure....
Awesome.
I know a bit about this subject, but it seems other people had the same ideas as I that I feel repeating would be....
a bit....
Tiresome.
I agree with a few people and saw some things I didn't see before.
If this could happend on these days.???
i think it can.... How many ppl ( really poor ppl if i may add) have dissapeared in the past of time and nobody really knows where have they gonne and nobody really cares....... do we know for sure if they are just missing or being killed by other elizabeth bathory?????? who knows but this could really be happining.
and another fact abput eli bathory: she suffered of a dissease EPILEPSIA ( i dont know how to type it on english *smiles ) when she was a child and she was related with vlad aswell.
~VIU~
So Gothic It Hurts....i see that u are pretty smart *lol* Thanx 4 the support *wiks* cya on teh crazy dancing machines!!!
Are you sure about that fact of Epilepsia? I read few books and there was nothing about that. In my opinion its just ...
Thera I have learned alot from your story and also this thread. I have several things that I am going to research and see if I can find out more.
yes about the thing of epilepsia check this url:
http://bathory.org/shyla.html
Thank you for the link!
I ve checked it out and there is :
"At around the age of 4 or 5, Elizabeth had violent seizures. These may have been caused by epilepsy or another neurological disorder and may have something to do with her "psychotic" behavior later in life."
So Its just a guess. Im sure If she had an epilepsia, the books would be full of that because in her ages such ilnesses where taken as something wrong devilish...
It's very possible in our modern day for people to still use blood for beauty purposes. I know women who purposely cut themselves and slather each others blood on their faces. Somehow they think this will keep them looking young longer, as did Bathory.
I've never done it but they've asked me to try it out.
While searching the net I found some pretty random things that was going on in The Blood Countess's Family. Here's a few of them:
* But the Bathory-family, beside the very rich and famous, also contained some very strange relatives. One uncle was known to be a devil-worshipper, and other members of the family were mental insane and perverted
* Countess Elizabeth Bathory was a lesbian who perpetrated incredible cruelties upon pretty servant and peasant girls.
* While Ferencz was away on one of his military campaigns, the Countess began to visit her lesbian aunt, Countess Karla Bathory, and ban to participate in the woman's orgies. Elizabeth then realized her true ambitions, the inflicting of pain upon large-bussomed young girls.
* Under the pretext of punishing her female servants for failing to perform certain trivial tasks, Elizabeth used branding irons, molten wax, and knives to shed their blood. She would stick pins in various sensitive places on the body. During the winter, she would execute victims by having them strip, led out into the snow, and then would pour water over them until they were frozen. It has also been said that Ferencz, when home, would join in occasionally and sometimes actually teach her new forms of torture -- such as in the summer, having girls stripped, covered with honey, and left to be bitten and stung to death by various insects.
* At around the age of 4 or 5, Elizabeth had violent seizures. These may have been caused by epilepsy or another neurological disorder and may have something to do with her "psychotic" behavior later in life.
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* The Legend Of Blood Castle is the true story of the Countess Elizabeth Bathory, as taken from court records and eyewitness accounts of her trial. The holy court found the Blood Countess guilty of 610 murders of young maidens.
* Torture devices of Elizabeth An iron maiden, I've been told
is like a coffin with spikes in it. The spikes don't impale
you, but do cause bleeding. There are then two spikes that
are driven into the eyes causing (obviously) blindness. The
victem then slowly bleeds to death. Thanks to those of you
who wrote me and let me know!
* A cyndrical cage, that is too narrow to sit in, and too
small to stand in. It has spikes on it, and when the cage is
hoisted and rocked, the vicitm will skewer themselves on it.
* Variation: The cage is hoisted, but the victim is poked at
with a red hot poker, and impales themselves.
Eliabeth would sit under this cage, shout obscenities at her
victim and "soak" up the blood that dripped down.
lol and I thought my family was strange :: raises eyebrow::
mmmh yes seems to me that the family relation is quite strange, though I can see this in many other different historic families. Hitler had a strange family
Perfect Countess!
Lesbian? I never thought of it cos I would just say that she envied them their beauty.
:-))))) thera,looks like u re obssesed with this topis:-)cool points and infos,at least u introduced us to the slovakia:-)i think u have a great history teacher at school:-)
*100% laugh*
LOL
Yes she is great, she provides us with infos we cant even take into our lil braines....Lets see how graduation will look like, hehehe!!!
hmm wanted to bump this thread to good of one to let it die yet
Oh i was doing a bit more research might of have found more stuff. But anyways i kind of placed her life in one whole time line acording to historcial recordings. Basicly here is her life in a nutshell.
1560: Erzsebet (Elizabeth) Bathory born to George and Anna Bathory
1571: The eleven-year-old Erzsebet was engaged to the sixteen-year-old Ferencz Nadasdy; the match was arranged by his mother, Ursula. (her own cousin kind of wrong but wasn’t unheard of back then)
1574: Erzsebet became pregnant from an affair with a peasant; she was sequestered at a remote Bathory castle until a daughter was born (child was given away)
1575: Erzsebet married Count Ferencz Nadasady on May 8th. She took over household affairs at Castle Sarvar, the Nadasdy family estate. Ferencz made war his "career", and began scoring victories against the Turks as early as 1578. He eventually earned the nickname "Black Knight of Hungary". (probaly around the time she began her crimes)
1585: Erzsebet gave birth to the first of her three daughters, Anna.
1598: The Countess' only son, Paul, was born. He had three older sisters: Anna, Orsika (Ursula), and Kato (Katherina). Helena Jo served as his wet nurse, as well as having been the nurse for his older sisters. (the wet nurse being on of her main helpers in the crimes)
1594: Janos Ujvary--Ficzko--came into Erzsebet's service. He was a dwarflike cripple, and the only male servant who got to participate in torturing.
1604: Ferencz Nadasdy died on January 4th. Erzsebet moved to Vienna only four weeks after his death, shocking the royal court. She also began to spend time at estates at Blindoc (Beckov) and Csejthe (Cachtice). According to the terms of Ferencz's will, Paul was placed under the guardianship of Imre Megyery. The witch, Anna Darvulia, began serving Erzsebet sometime during this year; with her arrival, the torture and killings escalated. (probaly when her acts were the cruelest)
1609: In the winter, the Countess invited around twenty-five impoverished noblewomen to stay at Csejthe. (four turned up missing)
1610: Darvulia probably died during this year. Still having financial problems, Countess Bathory sold Castle Blindoc. The Bathory family secretly decided to spirit the Countess off to a convent for the rest of her days, but before this could be accomplished, Megyery deposed a formal complaint against her before the Hungarian Parliament. Inquiry into Erzsebet's crimes began late in the year by the Lord Palatine, Count Gyorgy Thurzo, who was her cousin, and one of the members of the Bathory family who had planned to have her retired to a convent. Thurzo raided Castle Csejthe and arrested Countess Bathory on December 30th.
1611: Two trials in January. In the first trial, on January 2nd, only Erzsebet's accomplices were brought to trial. Three of them, Helena Jo, Dorka, and Ficzko, were found guilty, while the fourth, Katalin, was held pending "further evidence". The second trial, was convened on January 7th, and although Erzsebet petitioned the court to allow her to appear and defend herself against the charges, her cousin Thurzo would not allow her to appear and so disgrace the Bathory name. While the court condemned the Countess' actions, she was not actually to be punished. Helena Jo and Dorca had all the fingers torn out by a pair of red-hot pinchers, and were then thrown alive onto a fire. Ficzko was decapitated and then burned. Erzsebet attempted to escape to Transylvannia during the trial, and was consequently condemned by Thurzo to lifelong imprisonment in Castle Csejthe.
1614: Countess Bathory writes her last will and testament on July 31st. Later in the year, she was found face-down on the floor, dead, by one of her guards. The date is reported as either August 14th or the 21st.
*wipes sweat from brow* and well thats it in nut shell.
I do think this could happen now, but it would be much harder to get away with it of course. I've never really thought about that. How interesting. ^_^
Very very excellant work my dear. Very interesting.
Thank you for bumping the thread up =)
Countess,
I think this happens all the time. The small insugnificants dont hear of our millionaries doing this because we cant fanthom the millionaire upset because he lost 12 hundred thousand dollars on horse racing. That in itself would give me a heart attack. Nope we wouldnt hear of it right off. Name one seiral killer who got caught the second time within a year. She killed more than 40 as I recall, however the number not meaning a thing. 40 was all they connected to her before beheading her..right? Vampires erotic? well I dont think it comes from her, I think it comes from the effects of drinking blood. If consumed in large quantities, the energy in a vampire is enormous and to the unskilled, and ignorant could be a weapon in the unleashing, whether sexual or violent. Vampires are very erotic because a true blood can smell blood in another and even gather energy from that. Then again, we wont even get into the psi vamps. lol. Cool topic though. Could keep goin lol. Thanks. Night~~~~
* bump*
Just want to see if any new peopel had opinions on the topic
She was rich and powerful.. thats makes you believe you can do anything.. get away with everything.. hell, if i ever win the lotto.. there's alot of people better watch their backs.. i will be bleeding them dry too.. not to stay young.. just to bask in their stale blood.
Though her blood fetish was more for the search to regain her youth. I believe this could happen in our day and time. As with the blood countess with enough money and planning all is possible.
huh like i said in another im young and still have lotts to learn
*bumping this thread because of info and others opinions*
:)
More the less I have heard that she wasn't kin but her uncle was in draculas court. From everything she did doesn't surprise me at all. Look at her parents they were ruthless aswell. Seems to me tyrany so to speak runs throughout the hungarian and romanian area.
I would like to pose another question how can common society judge what she has done? How can we say everything she has done is wrong and immoral? Do we not do simmilar things our selves. It might not be killing in the hundreds but we do act out our trangressions on others. *sorry the small ran*
Exactly what about Countess Bathory do you find erotic? She was old and ugly and a card-carrying psychotic lunatic!
Where is the erotica in that?
society would throw her in a padded cell and fill her with so many drugs that she might as well have been throw in the gas chamber. they judge what they do not like or understand and what goes against the "moral values" that people claim to follow. in this world alot are hypocrates because they say one thing but do another...not everyone would say what she did was immortal for there are those who agree with her way of thinking..but they have a different set of values then others...
its about what makes people feel safer at night and feel that "god" would or wouldnt approve of a certain way of life..
I have to personally disagree with some of the info was posted personally. My research was somewhat different seeing as how most of hit came from a range of sources. But this is some of the info that I narrowed down to all be common as to events that happened and reasons.
I believe the reason to why Bathory had her violent compulsions is due to epilepsy that could of arose due
to encestial relations. Which was very common during this time period. As well this could have been caused by seizures that would give her the spontaneous fits of rage. As I stated in my last post her parents could have a major influence on her life and what she did. It didn’t really help her seeing as how she able to see the brutal punishment passed down by her family’s militia officers. One account describes an incident in which a gypsy, accused of theft, was sewn up in the belly of a dying horse with only his head exposed, and left to die. Such tales afford a grisly reminder that her own acts - while excessive even by the standards of the time - were not so very far removed from deeds which would have been considered quite normal.
Another piece of info I haven’t seen someone posted yet was after Nasaday died and she took up a lesbian Lover named Anna Darvula at the age of 44 . Which I believe is when she truly started to commit her most gruesome and intense acts. But Darvula died in 1609 then Bathory went back to her home and continued with her crimes until later being caught in 1610 only a year after Darvulas death.
*There is not much change in the info but there is a small difference than what others have posted here*
While interesting, all parties must come to an end. Due to length.