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Seems science is always bringing the masses "new" discoveries in the continued hopes of perpetuating this controlled paradigm reality that we live in. So, recently, there is the discovery of the "god particle". Taking from an interview found online here's the actual article...

Formally known as the Higgs boson, it was detected in experiments at the European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN) lab near Geneva.

For the non-scientists who wonder what a Higgs boson is, USA TODAY distilled explanations from a number of physicists, including Paul Padley of Rice University, part of one of the discovery teams:

Q: So what is a Higgs boson?

A: A tiny subatomic particle that apparently weighs about 130 times as much as an atom of hydrogen, the lightest gas.

Q: What does it do?

A: Simply put, the Higgs particle interacts with other subatomic particles that are building blocks of atoms in a way that slows them down. It's the reason that matter in the universe has mass. Mass gives the particles inertia, or resistance to being moved faster.

Q: What is a simple analogy that describes this effect?

A: Compare Higgs bosons to groupies mobbing a celebrity. The other particles are the celebrities, desperately trying to move but slowed by autograph-seekers. Higgs bosons don't have pens, but the attention they give to the other particles slows them, creating inertia.

Q: Why did physicists think this likely had to exist?

A: Physicists look to particles to explain forces in the universe. In the physicists' theories, electromagnetic and nuclear forces don't need particles with mass to work. But the particles do have mass, so we need an explanation for why. In 1964, Peter Higgs of Scotland's University of Edinburgh and other physicists theorized the Higgs boson was the culprit.

Q: How did they make this discovery?

Essentially, two teams collected data in separate experiments that smashed together millions of subatomic particles called protons to see what pieces emerged from the smash-ups. The particle reported on July Fourth fell to pieces in ways predicted by Higgs and other physicists.

Q: How sure are they that this is the Higgs boson?

A: CERN chief Rolf Heuer calls it "a particle consistent with the Higgs boson." CERN assigned about a 0.000057% statistical chance of the particle detection being wrong.

So, let's use our noggins for a bit. What implications does it have for the common masses? Actually a better question is, what does this mean? Thoughts? Opinions? The floor is open kids :-)

Oops! Here's the link to the article

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/physicists-break-concept-god-particle/story?id=16721662#.T_b5c4EmWSo

The God Particle relates the 'The Big Bang' theory and how the Universe was created, what came before and what has come after. It explains how matter was created and how the Universe stays in place. Dark energy and Dark matter which make up most of the particles in the Universe have little known about them but the 'God Particle' explains the process of matter being created. It is fundamental in understanding the history of our Universe. I dont know what impact it will have on us all now but perhaps it will help us understand the future.

That's an interesting point to ponder on! For the deep thinkers out there, this will incite discussion but for those content in the culture of consumerism and materialism this probably will have little to no interest to them. Do you think perhaps the information we are receiving about this is not the whole truth?

I was hearing about this as well! It is interesting. makes one think that there is some form of intelligence out there going on!!

Yes it does! Do you think this is going to lead to a big revelation ala we are not alone?

I have always believed there are other forms of intelligent life 'out there'. The Universe is vast/unfathomable, the very concept that we are the only planet with intelligent life in the whole universe is not only sheer stupidity, its incredibly arrogant!

Scientists have already found other planets in a solar system other than our own which have water, finding other life forms is just a matter of time.

Forgive me, I'm a little lost. How exactly does the discovery of this particle support the idea of intelligent design?

I think that any topic that makes one not just think about the total limitation of the 5 senses and to ponder other things is magnificent.

Yes, now that I read it, I must say that it also seems quite "arrogant," that we may not even consider that there could be other intelligent life but us, actually.

Sister, thank you for this post. I don't understand too much about physics. Yet, this post opens the door to dialogue.

LunaHag,

You seem very learned in physics. Loved your post. Thank you.

Thank you,
I am not so learned...
I wonder if in time in the same way genetic engineering can grow ears from DNA on the back of mice, or skin grafts for those who need them, the God Particle can begin the process of 'Grow your own World'. As it is the glue that attracts atoms and creates solid matter, it would be possible to generate a new planet for a time when this one is obsolete? Any ideas?

Raveneyes,there are great posts explaining everything of the theories involved,but after all is said and done,it suggests that there are omnipresent particles. ..

like the discovery of DNA we wont see the effect of this discovery for maybe 20 to 30 years

what effect if will have on a layperson probably none

for scientists this is proof that their theories of a god particle are actually true

only time will tell if it has any major impact

Interesting dialougue guys! Grow your own world? That's a very abstract and intruiging idea if I must say lol. Do you think that can potentially become a form of humans playing God?

Indeed. It is called Terra-forming ,and it possible in theory at this point .One of the secret ingredients?
Water.

There is an old saying that "Every atom(Adam) of our essence becomes a star in the universe.

So,I guess since there is suspect of a particle that is omnipresent,some feel it suggests that the biblical "Omnipresent GOD" could exist.

Hmm...that is something to ponder on! Another thought to throw out there, could this God particle only seem like a God particle due to human perception of what is realistically possible? I guess I'm saying could this only seem like God to humans because we have little to no knowledge of what's in outer space or the cosmos so it seems like God to us?

I heard a priest saying something about a God Particle. Yeah, he said once they realized what they had they took it to church because they wouldn't be able to hold mass without it!!

Um....


See, That was a physics joke and....


Ok I'll be quiet now.

@ severous LOL good one!

my first degree was in physics so that was a good one.


as to how this will effect us....it wont. it will prolly have some impact on technology in the future, and about our understanding of the impact of the universe, but it will effect most peoples understanding of the universe no more than E=mc^2....which most people have zero understanding of.


and god particle is just a nickname, and doesnt relate in this case to any deities.

thank yall
~W~

I had to smile on tht one too,LW.

I think its a pretty good nic,as it does suggest an ominpresent dimension.Which ,has always been linked to God,or Gods in so many religions..

I'm still curious as to what this has to do with God??

As I said above,it is because of the particle's omnipresent nature.
It is said in the bible and other teachings that God is omnipresent...everywhere at once.Which,is the one thing that was previously believed impossible.Now they have discovered that it might not be impossible,it lends some credence to the old belief.

It is called the God Particle because when the Big Bang happened it is this particle that created matter and therefore the Universe as we know it. The Bible says that on the first day God created light and dark and so on until day six when all was created. So therefore when science and religion come into conflict the God Particle is so called because it takes the part of God in the creation of all. Think that's it anyway.

You're right Luna,that is also a major part of the reason they call it that.Too bad most of the scientists dont care for the nick name,as it pretty suggests to believers that its possible that "God" created mass, space, and time out of nothing..which is in Genesis.

So,because of these things,people are relating it to God and creation.

Believers are just flumexed by scientist throwing around the word God. Nothing new, believers get excited easily, they are an easy lot to stir up.

What gets me is the claim of faith has really lacked, all the believers now days want evidence too, they are just dieing for something besides faith alone.

I don't think that Religion and Science are so opposed on this argument, after all the God or Higgs Boson Particle came into being after the Big Bang therefore that could be the moment that God is said to have created all. The Higgs took all that was generated by the Bang i.e particles and organised it into matter and energy both Dark and Light.
Religion and Science can work in conjunction here to explain this 'awe and wonder'.

Can I say, Excellent post Luna!!

Being in Atum Ka-Mon I was use to hearing from you and was maybe even a little spoiled by the really good conversations we all shared.

I am really glad to see you back in the main forums.

Thank you Severus,
I too miss the compelling diatribe we achieved in Atom, I am always interested in your posts and the reaction they recieve. Never one to hold back!!

And on that note I'll try to add something compelling yet controversial.

"Right"... so it's clearly a scientific discovery so let's start by trying to wrap our heads around the science.
Ultimately the search for the origins of the Universe is really the search for the source of ourselves, and what we do know about the big bang is the math. We know that if the expansion rate of the early universe was just a trillionth of one percent higher than it was, the universe would have expanded too rapidly for solid matter to form at all. If the expansion rate had been just a trillionth of a percent less than it was, the universe would have quickly collapsed back in on itself. In either case there would be no stars, no planets, and no us.
But supposing it did result purely by chance, it certainly would not have been spot on the first time, in which case we can assume that the universe kept trying again and again. This would indicate a continuing chain reaction type of event until it reached that perfect balance. Here we have a situation whereby trillions and trillions of attempts would likely have been required to get it right.
The eminent mathematical physicist Roger Penrose calculated the chances of a life-supporting universe happening by chance to be 1 in 1010^123... Let me try to put that number into perspective:
1010^3 is a 1 followed by a thousand zeros,
1010^6 is a 1 followed by a million zeros and
1010^9 is a 1 followed by billion zeros.
These numbers are so large that they frustrate even the best scholars but 1010^123 is almost incomputable to the human mind.

So what does the discovery of a "God particle" actually prove... ???

What we can conclude from the math is that the creation of the universe was so finely balanced that it was unlikely to have occurred by chance and that science may one day simply end up proving that the "God Particle" was just the remains from an act of God.

Thank you Severus for your words of wisdom,
It is also worth knowing that the Universe is still expanding at quite a rate. The Universe has been mapped by a process of measuring the heated particles orinated by the Big Bang against the Big Bang itself (like a timeline). The Universe is thus shaped like a cheesecake slice rather than the oval most understand it to be. Particles originating from the Big Bang can be measured by the heat they radiate and as such make up about a 1cm square of the area of a hand as compared to other particles. Using numeric statistics as recorded by the googleplex demonstrate the utter improbability of a single event creating the Universe in perfect harmony so perhaps it is the creation of a higher presence and not just a series of random events?

Even more astonishing the Universe is not acting like it should, or at least as we think it should when it comes to the physics.
An event like the big bang it is essentially an explosion and like any other explosion the farther you get in space and time from the point of origin the more the materials slow down from the lack of energy needed to propel them. well that isn't happening... In fact there is strong evidence supporting the idea that the universe is actually speeding up and all of the objects in the universe are moving away from each other at a faster and faster pace as time passes.

This one really bothers those physics folks... you can actually see their headache begining to form. lol

LOL not so much Serv.After all,if we take into consideration the Hubble law/constant/parameter when looking at this,it helps put things into some perspective.

I would also like to say that in light of all this,perhaps its time to let science help show us that all this paranormal/god stuff really might have its roots dug deep into our reality,and that there are real mechanics behind it.As I have said so many times in this forum,things just dont go "poof" in a puff of smoke coming from nowhere.
And hopefully,finally,people will stop being so prejudice against science when it comes to looking or discovering things of this nature.
The "God particle" I think is a good example of that they go hand in hand.

Im not sure about you Luna ,or Serv,but the discovery of the particle,due to what seems to be its nature, indicates to me , not only are there different dimensions,there is a lot more to time as we know it..space time,Planck time etc.
As you brought up prior Luna(and I have thought about this myself for a long time) It could indeed support the biblical description of creation as well as other declarations found in religious text the world over.

Neutrinos are the particle said to move faster than light that were discovered last year, if this is so then theoretically it would be possible to time travel. As nothing is supposed to travel faster than light this discovery could lead the way into space/time exploration. Again physicists are unable to explain this phenomenon through objective study.

Going back to Hubble Law it seems as though we are approaching that critical time so what happens then?

I agree Luna.The discovery opens up a whole realm of possibilities as far as many of the metaphysical is concerned.
Personally,I findthe whole thing exciting .

As for time travel..you bet it is looking more possible due to all this. honestly? sometimes I feel lke we really do write our future.We write science fiction,and a lot of times,it ends up happening at one point or another.

This discovery and research also lends credence to biblical text that speaks of the "Book of life".
Some call it the Akashic record.
Others call it Torsion fields.

Physics as we know it NOW might not explain the hows and why details at this point in time,but what it has done, is allow for us to look where we have never been able to look before.As our understanding grows about the true nature of things,so will the science.
We used to believe the world was flat ,until we came up with a better way to observe and understand the earth.

I don't know much about this but I found this information, it might be that we are following a predestined path and that all new discoveries will ultimately lead us towards this understanding.




The Akashic Records are records of all knowledge, including all human experience down to the finest detail, held in the universe. The Akashic Records resemble a library and are also compared to a universal computer, some would say the 'Mind of God'. Each soul records every moment of its existence in a "book", and if one attunes oneself properly then one can read or view that book. Some indicate the Akashic Records are similar to a Cosmic or collective consciousness. The records have been referred to by different names including the Cosmic Mind, the Universal Mind, the collective unconscious, or the collective subconscious. Others think the Akashic Records make clairvoyance and psychic perception possible.

The notion of a collective subconscious would suggests that all knowledge is available and those make discoveries somehow tap into this subconscious. Like a natural path to conciousness.

Science takes a theory and works out how to prove it right or wrong. Perhaps scientists have a link with this subconscious knowledge?