

good research monsieur le sonik and and great information
Nice reading, never knew about the multiple times on the throne
That's a good work Sonic! Could you give us more information about Dracula's battles against the Turks and his methods that made him infamous?
night rider no problem i m going to do research for u and put here next ;)
the reputation of vlad :
Vlad's reign is best known, at least outside Romania, for his cruelty. Many of the stories have an element of legend; it is hard to know how much the tales have grown in the telling.
Many accounts of Vlad's rule are delivered from defamation pamphlets printed by ethnic Germans, utilizing the then-recent invention of the printing press. According to these accounts, he had a terrifying habit of pillaging towns that did not obey his rule, and murdering great numbers of people. The most notorious picture of Vlad is a woodblock print from one of these pamphlets depicting Vlad eating his dinner on a grassy hill surrounded by a forest of dead Turks. True to his name, most of the victims were impaled. The pamphlets also claim that to massacre more victims at once, he would herd captured Turks over cliffsides onto beds of spikes below. From these victims he was able to create an infamous "forest of the impaled" surrounding his capital to dissuade any attacking army from invading.
Other examples of his notoriety abound in other European records of history and folklore. On one occasion Vlad is supposed to have invited many beggars to his castle, then burnt it to the ground, killing them all, so that nobody would be poor in his kingdom. (However, this may be a reattribution, as the same gambit is also attributed to others.)
Soon after gaining his throne, Vlad invited the Boyars of his region to his castle in Targoviste, as well as bishops and archbishops. After a day of festivities, he summoned the boyars to his court, where he asked them how many reigns they had survived. This was actually a deceptive question; he knew that those who were most likely to turn against him would give an outrageous figure like thirty reigns. Many were impaled as an example of Vlad's princely authority.
When an Ottoman emissary invoked his custom, refusing to remove his turban when in Vlad's presence (thus offending him), Vlad told him that he wished only to strengthen and honour the Ottoman custom - then nailed the emissary's turban to his head.
Conversely, just as Vlad responded harshly to insult, he responded favourably to flattery. Allegedly, when a messenger arrived with news from neighboring Hungary, Vlad grew very angry, and invited him to dinner. Seeing the dining room filled with dead and dying people impaled on stakes, and guards behind him holding a gold-plated stake, the messenger grew very anxious. When Vlad asked him if he knew why he was asked to dinner, the messenger thought quickly and responded, "I do not know, but I know you are a wise and great ruler, and no matter what you command, even if you were to command my death, it should be done". Impressed, Vlad waved the soldiers away, and said "Had you not answered so well, I would have impaled you on the spot." The messenger was showered with gifts, before being sent back to Hungary.
Another anecdote tells of a foreign merchant who was in Vlad's capital city. The merchant left his wagon out, knowing the strict punishment for breaking the law. When he came back to the wagon in the morning he found that 16 ducats were missing. He went to Dracula and told him of the stolen money. Vlad told him he would have his money by sundown. He then told the people that if they did not find the thief, then he (Vlad), would burn down the city. He then told one of his servants to place 17 ducats in the merchant's wagon. After the merchant discovered the ducats, he went to Dracula and told him that there was an extra ducat. At this point the thief was brought to Dracula who ordered him impaled, and Dracula also told the merchant that if he had not returned the extra ducat, he would have been impaled along with the thief.
It became widely known that Wallachian justice was harsh and Vlad had many criminals impaled, regardless of their crimes. In another anecdote, two wandering monks arrived in Targoviste and saw for themselves the draconian punishments implemented by Vlad. When summoned to his castle, Vlad asked them what they thought of his rule. One monk commended him for keeping law and order in the kingdom, while another harshly denounced Vlad as the Devil because of his cruelty. Although it is not truly known which of the monks was ordered impaled, supposedly, Vlad ordered the first monk impaled, seeing through his cowardly lies, and commended and rewarded the second for his honesty.
On a kinder note, another story tells that Vlad placed a golden cup at a well-travelled spring so travelers could drink. Not once during his entire reign was the cup ever stolen. The legend also says that the very day people saw the cup missing they knew that Vlad was gone.
Some legends say that he was taken captive by the Hungarians. Then, they supposedly burned out his eyes and buried him alive. The next day, they dug up the spot where he was buried and found no corpse. Several years later there were numerous mysterious deaths at his castle.
A good description of Vlad Dracula survives courtesy of Modrussa, who wrote:
He was not very tall, but very stocky and strong, with a cruel and terrible appearance, a long straight nose, distended nostrils, a thin and reddish face in which the large wide-open green eyes were enframed by bushy black eyebrows, which made them appear threatening. His face and chin were shaven but for a moustache. The swollen temples increased the bulk of his head. A bull's neck supported the head, from which black curly locks were falling to his wide-shouldered person.
Count Dracula, the monstrous central character of Bram Stoker's novel Dracula is thought to be named after Vlad, but it is unclear whether the resemblance is any more than superficial. Recent research suggests that Stoker knew little of the Prince of Wallachia. Some have claimed that the novel owes more to the legends about Erzsébet Báthory. (See Dracula - Origins for more detail).
Of the recent literary works written in Romania about the real Vlad, only Marin Sorescu's contemporary play Vlad Dracula, the Impaler has been translated into English.........











Hey Sonik,
I have a bit of a disagreement with you on this...
Dracula has several myths, legends, spellings and rumours. It all depends on which angle that you wish to view it from- from a literary perspective, the stories do define the 'classical' percept of a vampire in the collective memory of society.
From a historical records point of view, most agree that he is a semi-mythical character rooted in the legend of 'The Impaler'. A christian knight of central to east european descent, who fought the Muslim armies in the fifteenth century...
Also known as Vlad Drakul, the name bestowed upon him as a founding member of a the order of knights to which he belonged. (his father was not a member of this order, he was killed before its inception)
A descendant of Basarab, the warlord who successfully waged a war to secede from the Hungarian emipre, creating his own kingdom of which 'Dracula' was inheritor.
Probably his homeland is really a place named Gorj, Rumania, on the east side of the Otl river, where a distant uncle once ruled a province of the hungarian empire but was killed for starting an uprising (it failed).
So, essentially, he is a Wallachian prince descended from a warrior line, who's homeland now has the capital city of Rumania situated in it- Bucharest.
And if he really still exists, thats were he would most likely be...imo.
totally agree stabb
with that
" Dracula has several myths, legends, spellings and rumours "
Dracula: Prince of Many Faces (1989). Florescu, Radu R. and Mcnally, Raymond T. Little, Brown and Company.
Vlad Dracula: The Life and Times of the Historical Dracula (2000). Treptow, Kurt. Center for Romanian Studies.
In Search of Dracula, Revised (1994). Florescu, Radu R. and Mcnally, Raymond T. Little, Houghton Mifflin.
stabb take a look at this three book when you have read it .....
when can speak of the subject in good condition.....
but if you have theory Mr stabb don't hesitate to put here
i like debat and all are welcome
.... but i want argumentation ....
not pass with a little comment like always " i agree .... i disagree .... " lag lag lag and lag
Thanks for the info, Sonic! I've studied myself the history of Vlad Tepes (the impaler). I consider him a hero for his own people and a Ferocious opponent for his enemies!
His methods might be seem cruel and barbarian from most of the modern people but we must consider that Vlad lived his life in different harsher times.
Sorry sonik,
I realise that English is not your first language, but I am having trouble with understanding your response- are you telling me to read these three books before I am 'allowed' to response to you because you don't find what I have written acceptable?
not a all sorry my english weird and sometimes i know it s can interpret with misunderstanding
nope i tell you take a look at this three book because there are very interresting you can learn much on the real life of Vlad drakul is family myth and mythology........
.. and i see you like read stabb like me ...
...nop when i tell all thing are welcome
but i want argumentation and don't see people lag lag and lag ...
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aha!
I see...lol
Well..I will certainly look them up, although the Dracula/Tepes mythology is not one which I have a great love for, but I do have interest in European and near eastern history of bloodlines and royalty, which is where I got the above from.
thanks.
i don't know much about this, i more inspired and interrested by the 17 century , Monarchie and king hystory , Middle Ages , rome and his great epoq , egyptian empire , maya empire and lot of stuff like this ....
but the history is really passionnate ....
good luck for your research :)
many people consider him cruel and disturbed person(someone said that) ,so as I said in a similar post we have to think that he lived in an cruel era with barbaric enemies.
The muslim invaders have done things with the same cruelty and after all he was a romanian that wanted to free his people from turks
yes Vlad tepes is like a contradiction
it's one of the thing i like him much and know about his life ...
Sonik and stabb I enjoyed both of the info ya brought up. I can understand how Vlad was cruel at times but only for the good of the people to keep law straight and the way he was brought up according to lore I can see how he could be soo harsh at times when it needed to be. Again he also was very rewarding to the faithful. That is very impressive that he had both sides and wasn't just all evil.
Very good, however it is often thought of that Vlad had three children, one killed when he slit the womb of his whore open believing from his physicians that she had made such a story up. One more from his wife, who was later killed, though not by him, and a third, by a future whore. Though in total who knows just how many he had, he was probably a very sexually frustrated man *laughs*
NIce to see so many people who are willing to invest time and effort into gathering facts and knowledge-not just spouting off from the latest paperback
I saw this about Dracula and of course had to respond. I see you have read a lot about Vlad. I like that some people research the real one and not the vampire that Bram "Staker" created. I am not mocking him its just that I do not like what he did in some ways. Vlad the Impaler was more than some blood thirsty prince,...he was oh so much more.
I don't understand how so many people call him a blood thirsty tyrant when he was just looking out for the good of his people. Yeah he might have done some wrong things but in the end he was just being someone who loved his people and wanted equality for everyone.
finally someone who speaks the truth..very well done..
i read a book once called i am dracula and it had alot of this info in it well done
ah blairwitch, do the ends justify the means?
we have learned that national socialism expressed with such furious intent isn't really a good philiosophy.
thanx for the info i will have to check out the books that u listed as well
Pretty cool Sonik... I like other people that try to get involved with believing in Dracula as I do.

Sonik I could Kiss you!!! Thanks for doing more research man.
I don't know how you could get your hands on them, but Tops(the baseball card people) made a 3 part comic book about him. It comes with a card or 2 and when you get them all makes a large pic and individually they all have smaller illustrations on the other side from different periods of his life.
multiple throne rulings===definitely new information for me
thank at all ,
I'm going do new research on him tomorrow or before the week, because i have notime for the moment ....
But there are lot of information on him who are really interresting ...