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héhéhé i have regroup some renseignement on Vlad Tapes alis Dracula .........
and i have do a little chronologie


Dracula's Birth
1430-31
Vlad Dracula was born. And shortly afterwards, Dracul his father, is invested into "The Order of the Dragon"

1436
Dracul, Dracula's father, obtains the Wallancian throne (a southern distict of Transylvania) from his stepbrother Alexandru Aldea.

Dracula as a Child Taken Hostage by the Turks
1442
Dracul, Dracula's father, and his sons, Dracula and his brothers, get imprisoned by the Turks.

1443
Dracula, now 12 and his younger brother Radu The Handsome become hostages of the Turks to guarantee the loyalty of their father who is put back on the throne of Wallanchia.

1446
Turks take Greece

1447
Dracul (beheaded) and his son Mircea (buried alive) get assassinated for complicity with the Turks.

1448
The Turks take the Balkans except Albania.

Dracula's First Brief Rein
October- November 1448
Vlad Dracula, at the age of 18, obtains the Wallachian throne briefly for the first time

1453
The fall of Constantinople.

Dracula's Second Rein
1456
Dracula, at the age of 25, obtains the throne for the second time and his rein of terror truly begins. Kills Boyars

1458
The Turks conquer Athens.

1459
Easter, Vlad kills the Boyars. Also burns alive German trainees

1461
Vlad Dracula campains against the Turks along the river Danube, During the summer retreats to his capital of Tirgoviste

1462
Vlad has his famous encounters with the two monks.

Dracula's Imprisonment
1462
Just before the battle at Dracula's castle his wife commits suicide by juming into the river. Dracula flees to Transylvania and get imprisoned in hungary for 13 years. Vlad's brother Radu the Handsome takes the throne as a puppet of the Turks.

1463
Michel Beheim recites his poem "Story of a Bloodthirsty Madman Called Dracula of Wallachia" to the Holy Roman Emperor, Fredrick III. Also Biographies of Dracula are first printed in Vienna and became the first horror bestsellers.

1466
Vlad converts to Catholicism to take a Hungarian Noblewoman as a wife so he can get out of prison and to become a candidate to his throne.

1473
Vlad's brother, Radu The Handsome is over thrown

Dracula's Third Rein
1474 In November Vlad obtains the Wallancian throne for the third time

Dracula's Death
December 1476
Vlad Dracula decapitated at the age of 46

1482
Russian historian writes a biography of Vlad Dracula. Partly taken from interviews with Dracula's son





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good research monsieur le sonik and and great information



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Great info sonik! Thankies.



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good info



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great information. nice read



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Nice reading, never knew about the multiple times on the throne



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That's a good work Sonic! Could you give us more information about Dracula's battles against the Turks and his methods that made him infamous?



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Very well put Sonik!



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good work



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night rider no problem i m going to do research for u and put here next ;)



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the reputation of vlad :

Vlad's reign is best known, at least outside Romania, for his cruelty. Many of the stories have an element of legend; it is hard to know how much the tales have grown in the telling.

Many accounts of Vlad's rule are delivered from defamation pamphlets printed by ethnic Germans, utilizing the then-recent invention of the printing press. According to these accounts, he had a terrifying habit of pillaging towns that did not obey his rule, and murdering great numbers of people. The most notorious picture of Vlad is a woodblock print from one of these pamphlets depicting Vlad eating his dinner on a grassy hill surrounded by a forest of dead Turks. True to his name, most of the victims were impaled. The pamphlets also claim that to massacre more victims at once, he would herd captured Turks over cliffsides onto beds of spikes below. From these victims he was able to create an infamous "forest of the impaled" surrounding his capital to dissuade any attacking army from invading.

Other examples of his notoriety abound in other European records of history and folklore. On one occasion Vlad is supposed to have invited many beggars to his castle, then burnt it to the ground, killing them all, so that nobody would be poor in his kingdom. (However, this may be a reattribution, as the same gambit is also attributed to others.)

Soon after gaining his throne, Vlad invited the Boyars of his region to his castle in Targoviste, as well as bishops and archbishops. After a day of festivities, he summoned the boyars to his court, where he asked them how many reigns they had survived. This was actually a deceptive question; he knew that those who were most likely to turn against him would give an outrageous figure like thirty reigns. Many were impaled as an example of Vlad's princely authority.

When an Ottoman emissary invoked his custom, refusing to remove his turban when in Vlad's presence (thus offending him), Vlad told him that he wished only to strengthen and honour the Ottoman custom - then nailed the emissary's turban to his head.

Conversely, just as Vlad responded harshly to insult, he responded favourably to flattery. Allegedly, when a messenger arrived with news from neighboring Hungary, Vlad grew very angry, and invited him to dinner. Seeing the dining room filled with dead and dying people impaled on stakes, and guards behind him holding a gold-plated stake, the messenger grew very anxious. When Vlad asked him if he knew why he was asked to dinner, the messenger thought quickly and responded, "I do not know, but I know you are a wise and great ruler, and no matter what you command, even if you were to command my death, it should be done". Impressed, Vlad waved the soldiers away, and said "Had you not answered so well, I would have impaled you on the spot." The messenger was showered with gifts, before being sent back to Hungary.

Another anecdote tells of a foreign merchant who was in Vlad's capital city. The merchant left his wagon out, knowing the strict punishment for breaking the law. When he came back to the wagon in the morning he found that 16 ducats were missing. He went to Dracula and told him of the stolen money. Vlad told him he would have his money by sundown. He then told the people that if they did not find the thief, then he (Vlad), would burn down the city. He then told one of his servants to place 17 ducats in the merchant's wagon. After the merchant discovered the ducats, he went to Dracula and told him that there was an extra ducat. At this point the thief was brought to Dracula who ordered him impaled, and Dracula also told the merchant that if he had not returned the extra ducat, he would have been impaled along with the thief.

It became widely known that Wallachian justice was harsh and Vlad had many criminals impaled, regardless of their crimes. In another anecdote, two wandering monks arrived in Targoviste and saw for themselves the draconian punishments implemented by Vlad. When summoned to his castle, Vlad asked them what they thought of his rule. One monk commended him for keeping law and order in the kingdom, while another harshly denounced Vlad as the Devil because of his cruelty. Although it is not truly known which of the monks was ordered impaled, supposedly, Vlad ordered the first monk impaled, seeing through his cowardly lies, and commended and rewarded the second for his honesty.

On a kinder note, another story tells that Vlad placed a golden cup at a well-travelled spring so travelers could drink. Not once during his entire reign was the cup ever stolen. The legend also says that the very day people saw the cup missing they knew that Vlad was gone.

Some legends say that he was taken captive by the Hungarians. Then, they supposedly burned out his eyes and buried him alive. The next day, they dug up the spot where he was buried and found no corpse. Several years later there were numerous mysterious deaths at his castle.

A good description of Vlad Dracula survives courtesy of Modrussa, who wrote:

He was not very tall, but very stocky and strong, with a cruel and terrible appearance, a long straight nose, distended nostrils, a thin and reddish face in which the large wide-open green eyes were enframed by bushy black eyebrows, which made them appear threatening. His face and chin were shaven but for a moustache. The swollen temples increased the bulk of his head. A bull's neck supported the head, from which black curly locks were falling to his wide-shouldered person.

Count Dracula, the monstrous central character of Bram Stoker's novel Dracula is thought to be named after Vlad, but it is unclear whether the resemblance is any more than superficial. Recent research suggests that Stoker knew little of the Prince of Wallachia. Some have claimed that the novel owes more to the legends about Erzsébet Báthory. (See Dracula - Origins for more detail).

Of the recent literary works written in Romania about the real Vlad, only Marin Sorescu's contemporary play Vlad Dracula, the Impaler has been translated into English.........



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The Nine Universal Anecdotes on Dracula very interresting ....


(1) The Golden Cup Dracula was known throughout his land for his fierce insistence on honesty and order. Thieves seldom dared practice their trade within Dracula's domain -- they knew that the stake awaited any who were caught. Dracula was so confident in the effectiveness of his law that he placed a golden cup on display in the central square of Tirgoviste. The cup was never stolen and remained entirely unmolested throughout Dracula's reign.



(2) The Foreign Merchant A merchant from a foreign land once visited Dracula's capital of Tirgoviste. Aware of the reputation of Dracula's land for honesty, he left a treasure-laden(sic,sp?) cart unguarded in the street over night. Returning to his waggon in the morning, the merchant was shocked to find 160 golden ducats missing. When the merchant complained of his loss to the prince, Dracula assured him that his money would be returned and invited him to remain in the palace that night. Dracula then issued a proclamation to the city -- find the thief and return the money or the city will be destroyed. During the night he ordered that 160 ducats plus one extra be taken from his own treasury and placed in the merchant's cart. On returning to his cart in the morning and counting his money the merchant discovered the extra ducat. The merchant returned to Dracula and reported that his money had indeed been returned plus an extra ducat. Meanwhile the thief had been captured and turned over to the prince's guards along with the stolen money. Dracula ordered the thief impaled and informed the merchant that if he had not reported the extra ducat he would have been impaled alongside the thief.



(3) The Two Monks There are several versions of this anecdote. In some the two monks were from a Catholic monastery in Wallachia or wandering Catholic monks from a foreign land. In either case Catholic monks would be viewed as representatives of a foreign power by Dracula. In other versions of the story the monks were from a Romanian Orthodox establishment (the native church of Wallachia). Dracula's motivation also varies considerably among the different versions of the story.

All versions of the story agree that two monks visited Dracula in his palace at Tirgoviste. Curious to see the reaction of the churchman, Dracula showed them rows of impaled corpses in the courtyard. When asked their opinions of his actions by the prince, one of the monks responded, 'You are appointed by God to punish evil-doers.' The other monk had the moral courage to condemn the cruel prince. In the version of the story most common in the German pamphlets, Dracula rewarded the sycophantic monk and impaled the honest monk. In the version found in Russian pamphlets and in Romanian verbal tradition Dracula rewarded the honest monk for his integrity and courage and impaled the sycophant for his dishonesty.


(4) The Polish Nobleman Benedict de Boithor, a Polish nobleman in the service of the King of Hungary, visited Dracula at Tirgoviste in September of 1458. At dinner one evening Dracula ordered a golden spear brought and set up directly in from (sic) of the royal envoy. Dracula then asked the envoy why he thought this spear had been set up. Benedict replied that he imagined that some boyar had offended the prince and that Dracula intended to honor him. Dracula then responded that he had, in fact, had the spear set up in the honor of his noble, Polish guest. The Pole then responded that had he done anything to deserve death that Dracula should do as he thought best. He further asserted that in that case Dracula would not be responsible for his own death, rather he would be responsible for his own death for incurring the displeasure of the prince. Dracula was greatly pleased by this answer and showered the man with gifts while declaring that had he answered in any other manner he would have been immediately impaled.



(5) The Foreign Ambassadors There are at least two versions of this story in the literature. As with the story of the two monks, one version is common in the German pamphlets and views Dracula's actions unfavorably while the other version is common in eastern Europe and sees Dracula's actions in a much more favorable light. In both versions ambassadors of a foreign power visit Dracula's court at Tirgoviste. When granted an audience with the prince the envoys refused to remove their hats as was the custom when in the presence of the prince in Wallachia. Angered at this sign of disrespect Dracula had the ambassadors' hats nailed to their heads so that they might never remove them.

In the German version of the story the envoys are Florentine and refused to remove their hats to demonstrate their superiority. When Dracula asked the ambassadors why they wouldn't remove their hats they responded that such was not their custom and that they wouldn't remove their hats, even for the Holy Roman Emperor. Dracula immediately had their hats nailed to their heads so that they might never come off and had the ambassadors ejected from his court. In Germany and in the West, where the concept of diplomatic immunity was at least given lip service, this was held to be an act of barbarity against the representatives of a friendly power.

In the version of the story common in the east, the envoys are Turkish. When ushered into the presence of the prince, the Turks refused to remove their Phrygian caps. When questioned they answered that it was not the custom of their fathers to remove their hats. Dracula then ordered their hats nailed to their heads with three nails so that they might never have to break such an excellent tradition. The envoys were sent back to the sultan. In the east this was held to be a courageous act of defiance in the face of the Ottoman sultan. It should also be noted that the nailing of hats to heads of those who displeased a monarch was not an unknown act in eastern Europe. Apparently this method was occasionally used by the princes of Moscow when faced by unpleasant envoys.



(6) Dracula's Mistress Dracula once had a mistress who lived in a house in the back streets of Tirgoviste. This woman apparently loved the prince to distraction and was always anxious to please him. Dracula was often moody and depressed and the woman made every effort to lighten her lover's burdens. Once, when Dracula was particularly depressed, the woman dared tell him a lie in an effort to cheer him up; she told him that she was with child. Dracula warned the woman not to joke about such matters but she insisted on the truth of her claim despite her knowledge of the prince's feelings about dishonesty. Dracula had the woman examined by the bath matrons to determine the veracity of her claim. When informed that the woman was lying Dracula drew his knife and cut her open from the groin to her breasts while proclaiming his desire for the world to see where he had been. Dracula then left the woman to die in agony.



(7) The Lazy Woman Dracula once noticed a man working in the fields while wearing a too short caftan. The prince stopped and asked the man whether or not he had a wife. When the man answered in the affirmative Dracula had the woman brought before him and asked her how she spent her days. The poor, frightened woman stated that she spent her days washing, baking and sewing. The prince pointed out her husband's short caftan as evidence of her laziness and dishonesty and ordered her impaled despite her husband's protestations that he was well satisfied with his wife. Dracula then ordered another woman to marry the peasant but admonished her to work hard or she would suffer her predecessor's fate.



(8) The Nobleman with the Keen Sense of Smell On St. Bartholomew's Day in 1459 Dracula caused thirty thousand of the merchants and nobles of the Transylvanian city of Brasov to be impaled. In order that he might better enjoy the results of his orders, the prince commanded that his table be set up and that his boyars join him for a feast amongst the forest of impaled corpses. While dining, Dracula noticed that one of his boyars was holding his nose in an effort to alleviate the terrible smell of clotting blood and emptied bowels. Dracula then ordered the sensitive nobleman impaled on a stake higher than all the rest so that he might be above the stench.

In another version of this story the sensitive nobleman is an envoy of the Transylvanian cities of Brasov and Sibiu sent to appeal to the cruel Wallachian to spare those cities. While hearing the nobleman's appeal Dracula walked amongst the stakes and their grisly burdens. Some of the victims still lived. Nearly overcome by the smell of drying blood and human wastes the nobleman asked the prince why he walked amidst the awful(sic,sp?) stench. Dracula then asked the envoy if he found the stench oppressive. The envoy, seeing an opportunity to ingratiate himself with Dracula, responded that his only concern was for the health and welfare of the prince. Dracula, angered at the nobleman's dishonesty ordered him impaled on the spot on a very high stake so that he might be above the offending odors.



(9) The Burning of the Sick and Poor Dracula was very concerned that all his subjects work and contribute to the common welfare. He once noticed that the poor, vagrants, beggars and cripples had become very numerous in his land. Consequently, he issued an invitation to all the poor and sick in Wallachia to come to Tirgoviste for a great feast, claiming that no one should go hungry in his land. As the poor and crippled arrived in the city they were ushered into a great hall where a fabulous feast was prepared fore them. The princes guests ate and drank late into the night, When Dracula himself made an appearance. 'What else do you desire? Do you want to be without cares, lacking nothing in this world,' asked the prince.(sic?) When they responded positively Dracula ordered the hall boarded up and set on fire. None escaped the flames. Dracula explained his action to the boyars by claiming that he did this, 'in order that they represent no further burden to other men so that no one will be poor in my realm.'




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good info



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Hey Sonik,

I have a bit of a disagreement with you on this...

Dracula has several myths, legends, spellings and rumours. It all depends on which angle that you wish to view it from- from a literary perspective, the stories do define the 'classical' percept of a vampire in the collective memory of society.

From a historical records point of view, most agree that he is a semi-mythical character rooted in the legend of 'The Impaler'. A christian knight of central to east european descent, who fought the Muslim armies in the fifteenth century...

Also known as Vlad Drakul, the name bestowed upon him as a founding member of a the order of knights to which he belonged. (his father was not a member of this order, he was killed before its inception)

A descendant of Basarab, the warlord who successfully waged a war to secede from the Hungarian emipre, creating his own kingdom of which 'Dracula' was inheritor.

Probably his homeland is really a place named Gorj, Rumania, on the east side of the Otl river, where a distant uncle once ruled a province of the hungarian empire but was killed for starting an uprising (it failed).

So, essentially, he is a Wallachian prince descended from a warrior line, who's homeland now has the capital city of Rumania situated in it- Bucharest.

And if he really still exists, thats were he would most likely be...imo.



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totally agree stabb
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" Dracula has several myths, legends, spellings and rumours "

Dracula: Prince of Many Faces (1989). Florescu, Radu R. and Mcnally, Raymond T. Little, Brown and Company.

Vlad Dracula: The Life and Times of the Historical Dracula (2000). Treptow, Kurt. Center for Romanian Studies.

In Search of Dracula, Revised (1994). Florescu, Radu R. and Mcnally, Raymond T. Little, Houghton Mifflin.

stabb take a look at this three book when you have read it .....

when can speak of the subject in good condition.....

but if you have theory Mr stabb don't hesitate to put here

i like debat and all are welcome

.... but i want argumentation ....

not pass with a little comment like always " i agree .... i disagree .... " lag lag lag and lag




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Thanks for the info, Sonic! I've studied myself the history of Vlad Tepes (the impaler). I consider him a hero for his own people and a Ferocious opponent for his enemies!
His methods might be seem cruel and barbarian from most of the modern people but we must consider that Vlad lived his life in different harsher times.



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Sorry sonik,

I realise that English is not your first language, but I am having trouble with understanding your response- are you telling me to read these three books before I am 'allowed' to response to you because you don't find what I have written acceptable?



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not a all sorry my english weird and sometimes i know it s can interpret with misunderstanding

nope i tell you take a look at this three book because there are very interresting you can learn much on the real life of Vlad drakul is family myth and mythology........

.. and i see you like read stabb like me ...
...nop when i tell all thing are welcome
but i want argumentation and don't see people lag lag and lag ...
héhéhéhé





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aha!

I see...lol

Well..I will certainly look them up, although the Dracula/Tepes mythology is not one which I have a great love for, but I do have interest in European and near eastern history of bloodlines and royalty, which is where I got the above from.

thanks.



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i don't know much about this, i more inspired and interrested by the 17 century , Monarchie and king hystory , Middle Ages , rome and his great epoq , egyptian empire , maya empire and lot of stuff like this ....
but the history is really passionnate ....

good luck for your research :)



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many people consider him cruel and disturbed person(someone said that) ,so as I said in a similar post we have to think that he lived in an cruel era with barbaric enemies.

The muslim invaders have done things with the same cruelty and after all he was a romanian that wanted to free his people from turks



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yes Vlad tepes is like a contradiction
it's one of the thing i like him much and know about his life ...



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Sonik and stabb I enjoyed both of the info ya brought up. I can understand how Vlad was cruel at times but only for the good of the people to keep law straight and the way he was brought up according to lore I can see how he could be soo harsh at times when it needed to be. Again he also was very rewarding to the faithful. That is very impressive that he had both sides and wasn't just all evil.



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interesting..



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Very good, however it is often thought of that Vlad had three children, one killed when he slit the womb of his whore open believing from his physicians that she had made such a story up. One more from his wife, who was later killed, though not by him, and a third, by a future whore. Though in total who knows just how many he had, he was probably a very sexually frustrated man *laughs*



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NIce to see so many people who are willing to invest time and effort into gathering facts and knowledge-not just spouting off from the latest paperback



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very nice information. thanks for sharing :)



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I saw this about Dracula and of course had to respond. I see you have read a lot about Vlad. I like that some people research the real one and not the vampire that Bram "Staker" created. I am not mocking him its just that I do not like what he did in some ways. Vlad the Impaler was more than some blood thirsty prince,...he was oh so much more.
I don't understand how so many people call him a blood thirsty tyrant when he was just looking out for the good of his people. Yeah he might have done some wrong things but in the end he was just being someone who loved his people and wanted equality for everyone.



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finally someone who speaks the truth..very well done..



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i read a book once called i am dracula and it had alot of this info in it well done



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ah blairwitch, do the ends justify the means?

we have learned that national socialism expressed with such furious intent isn't really a good philiosophy.



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that was some interesting info



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very interesting.... that must have taken some time..



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jtavarez50
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Thanks for the info...interesting....



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thanx for the info i will have to check out the books that u listed as well



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Pretty cool Sonik... I like other people that try to get involved with believing in Dracula as I do.



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Jason
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I'm watching you


Mr. Grimm will be coming for this fine thread if it doesn't start getting better responses than "Interesting."


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MortalitaslAnimus
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Sonik I could Kiss you!!! Thanks for doing more research man.



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Fritz
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I don't know how you could get your hands on them, but Tops(the baseball card people) made a 3 part comic book about him. It comes with a card or 2 and when you get them all makes a large pic and individually they all have smaller illustrations on the other side from different periods of his life.



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mysticwarrior6969
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multiple throne rulings===definitely new information for me



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smythe
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appreciate the into thx. ^_^ .



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smythe
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info* , you know what i mean.



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sonik
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thank at all ,
I'm going do new research on him tomorrow or before the week, because i have notime for the moment ....

But there are lot of information on him who are really interresting ...



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MyMorbidPinkDreams
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wow very interesting post good researching



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jtavarez50
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good info



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