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Quite simple. I would like you to define the term, feeding. Likewise, offer up any moral guidelines you feel are useful to such practices, if any?

"feeding" is an exchange of energy. The relationship of the exchange is defined by the parties involved.

I have to agree with the person above. Whether it's energy or blood, it's the exchange that truly defines it as feeding.

To me, though, it has to be with permission or else it's just a travesty and a horror.

It's obvious that taking someone's blood against their will is a legal 'no-no' at least. For the sake of continuing this thread in a forward manner..do you then believe that even psychic feeding must be done with permisson?

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I do, if you go in with that intention, you need to make it known. I do however, understand that there are those who do it without even thinking about it if they are in large crowds, but then it's not all that noticeable of a drain from any one person.

Do you then also feel that the risk you take of being seen as something of a crack pot when you explain it to them, to be lesser than the concern of taking a cookie without asking?

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If you are going to ask permission, perhaps it should be with those who understand you, just as it would be if you are a sang vamp. Then maybe you won't be seen as much of a crackpot.

Taking nourishment from something/someone into ones self...I personally only feed from the willing...

True enough on that end. Some vampires have a habit of engaging is what is sometimes called 'ripple feeding'. This being to send out a wave and take from the collective force in the room as opposed to a singel individual. Do you see this a wrong? Do you believe it is possible to "feed" in this way without specific direction at one individual?

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Feeding is consuming pranic or psychic energy or of course having a a nice slice of Apple Pie..
As for any moral guidlines i do as i wish and i wouldnt presume to give that advise to anyone. Morals are after all very subjective.

@mrd

No, if it's a ripple thing, like that, it tends to just happen I think and it's not wrong when it happens.

Sorry to interfere, and I don't want to spoil this thread. But I'm too curious on how it affects people if they are fed upon. I mean, what happens to someone when his 'energy' (whatever that means) is taken... How do you recognize someone was 'drained'?

I have to agree. I always drain people without their knowledge, to be honest. And I do it quite intentionally..I've even fed in groups with others off of a single subject. If the feeding is short term, no physical effects should present themselves; at most a bit of fatigue. You can get to that point just out of being bored with a conversation..so I personally, see nothing wrong with it. Nor do I think it has any lasting impact on the 'battery'.

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I guess everyone has their views on it. Althought not being a psi, I really don't know how it works.

I can only compare it to how I feel when I receive negative or hard energies from another person who is dealing with something on an emotional or mental level.

yes maybe everyone on this thread is neutral in nature but i seriously doubt that Psi vampyres are going to ask "hey can i feed from you?" Some do it in "packs" so to speak, and being able to exchange energy in my viewpoint, doesn't dictate one to be a vampire at all. It's a learned skill as well.

Nice responses. My view on feeding is influenced by the idea that the vampire is, in fact, a predator. Not a begger.

In fact, I would say that the larger deal of fascination with vampires has to do with the idea that their actions are essentially amoral. This is something most people strive for, to be "beyond good and evil". The vampire accomplishes this effortlessly.

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With your latest post, I can see your point for psi vamps and such.

But in this day and age, sangs HAVE to screen their donors/blood dolls, for their own health. You can't just feed on random peoples blood in that case.

do sangs not ever eat regular food. Just curious?

The latest posts are speaking along the lines of psychic vampirism. We already determined that taking blood without asking is, as I said, a "no-no".

And yes, we eat regular food as well. :)

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Ok, so I missed that bit, or something. It's 7 am, I've not had any sleep yet.. so.. yeah. Lol



And yes, I know plenty of sangs who eat regular food, and lots of it sometimes. LOL

As i said i do as i please after all i do not ask the Cow if i can make it into a burger. I may give thanks for havinga cow tro make a burger with however but maybe thats a different thread altogether

i think theres a defination in the "what is a vampire" section i think it means one who takes some form of energy from another in order to have engery for ones self engery can be in the form of blood, life matter, soul matter etc......thats what i think im going to try and find something here on that ill post it :-)

I'm sure everyone can find their way around the site or use google to get the basic idea that involves energy transfer. But the question of feeding is directed more at the technical aspect of what feeding represents to each individual and what system of ethics, if any, should govern them. At least in the last aspect I see this post as effective thus far. Thanks to everyone whos contributed so far.

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Ok well let me say this, this is all me, from myself and what I understand of feeding and the ways I myself feed. I want you all to understand by no means am I am saying that these are the only ways to feed. Feeding for some is a need and for others it is sexual. There are those to that it is a personal gift of oneself. Some will feed from more than one person.


1. Psychic Vampire (One who feeds off of Ki, Chi or Life Force)

There are many ways to feed this way. Like Clubs, Party's and get togethers. This can also be dangerous for the un-awakened newly awakened (Fledglings) because they can be feeding unconsciously or subconsciously and they can pull in to much. Why this is dangerous well I look at it like this. The body is like a battery if you use too much of it's energy it will die well think of the heart of the body as that battery you take to much energy it will not have enough energy to pump the life's blood. The more experienced Vampire can take just as much as he or she needs to get by. Know that when you feed this way you create a link between the both of you. If you take to much they start to pull some of your energy in thus making a new Vampire.


2. Drama Vampire (One who feeds off of drama)

These are the ones who seek out conflict and draw in the negative energy from the bad situation. These are the ones who like fighting causing trouble and fear.

3. Blood Drinkers (Ones who feed off of blood do to need, want or sexual drive)

This is the most powerful and personal way we feed. This is done with the most trust between two partners. Know that this is also very dangerous because of the many blood born sicknesses. For this reason one must always screen all there donors.

4. Sexual Vampire (One who feeds from sexual energy)

This too is a very personal and powerful way to feed because of the bond it creates you feed two ways from sexual feeding Psy and Emotional energy. BAG IT CAUSE YOU CAN GET STD's if you don't that is why you should always ALWAYS SCREEN YOUR DONORS.

I am sure there are many other ways to feed but these are some of the ways I feed as well as most in my house. Please add you input so that we can all share in this and learn about who and what we are.

That's a nice addition LordOfNoctemAeternus, and to be certain a strong way of answering the question.

Any opinions on the set of classifications?

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I like their ^ theory.

But it is (crudely put) an exchange of goods. And I think that unless it is done with some sort of prior knowledge on the "food" end of things then it should be considered rape.

now that you define it that way, i could say i can relate to the "drama vampire" and "sexual".

Do you believe that we have a greater responsibility than our legendary predecessor to enforce ethics because of the age we live in then?

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in some ways yes

i think it would be important to keep tradition as well as mingle new ideas for the new age

The concept of tradition is very dear to me, so I was glad to have it included here. In that spirit I will always adhere to the predatory side of my nature.

However, I do also believe that you can always improve on something..and that's worth working towards as well.

I must disagree that draining without permission is anything like rape though, really. I can understand what you meant by saying it..but that's like saying that stealing a loaf a bread from someone is like rape just because you didn't ask.

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good point. to me food is food and if I need to feed it will be done!

well all of my donors know of my needs and give it freely so if befor hand they say it is ok then yes why not.

i've fed in my sleep. what does that mean?

Excellent question! I'll answer it in this way.

I believe that the vampire is a predator, that much I've made clear. I believe that to a vampire who may already be technically dead..there is no moral dilemma. And none need be had. This is strictly amoral to him. Much like a wolf the eats a stray doe.

Likewise, I feel that if you should choose to feed pranically while still alive, there should be no conflict in that. Since we are evolved predators, however, there is some responsibility that goes along with it. But this type of feeding has not been shown by anyone to be actually harmful in any way.

In regard to the specific details of your question..there is something wrong with that scenario! That being that you;re talking about a physical violation at this point. Taking someone's blood without asking may cause serious injury, and will almost certainly cause psychological harm..and legal trouble for you. This type of irresponsibility also sheds negative light on the community.

There's my answer for that. I hope I covered everything.

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The answer was in regard to the question posed for Stabb666. :)

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oh my bad.....LOL

So, Brother, legal bounds aside, it would be morally acceptable if they provided you with explicit permission to conduct such acts, prior to doing so?

(and trusting that you would know what you were doing in a medical aspect)

I have now come across two people that were un knowing psychic vampires and they would leave me emotionaly drained after everytime I was around them when I confrotnted them they both got very mad and told me I was crazy

mrd,

It would seem that you view it as an acceptable Ethic, regardless whether the 'doner' was aware or not?

And this is justified with the it being 'in the nature' of the vampire to be a hunter and as such, it need not 'ask', as the wolf does not ask?

Legally, there are many complications with bloodletting, but, as you say, with psy-feeding, it is pretty much a self-regulated act, so, with no health and safety considerations, nor any legal framework for prosecuation, is it morally acceptable to feed on the psy-energies of one that is unaware of it, as you say, like stealing a 'loaf of bread'?

Yes, in blood, permission is the key. Stabb666, thank you for asking the question that once again breathed life into the thread. And thank you all for the wonderful additons.

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I apologize for not including this in the prior post..yes, I believe it is perfectly acceptable to feed in this way without permission..but primarily because there is no clear damage done to the subject. In the world we live, the living should consider those in the same boat. But if it hurt none..so be it, I feel. In death, one needn't make any excuses. And in my life, neither do I. That has more to do with personal beliefs, and not entirely with vampirism itself.

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Can you reconcile such acts even though they extinguishe a persons right to choose whether they wish to have their personal space invaded or not?

Does not your perceived 'right' inflict upon anothers right not to be fed upon?

I can reconcile them within my own mind. Just because I believe I am doing has an impact, the average person would chalk these exercises in feeding to be no more than mental masturbation. The fact is they could be right.

Nonetheless, I feel that the majority of people would not accept, in the first place, that I had the power to feed on them in this way. It seems unfair for me to assume that all others will think as I do. :)

Other than that I must stick to my stance that the person you are feeding on is an essence, a "battery". I am not concerned with how a battery feels about something..any more than I am concerned that these slight deprecations may harm them in any way. I am not feeding on a person, I am feeding on the energy they put off and produce. There is nothing inherently sacred about energy, just personality. And since I don't believe it does harm them..I see nothing wrong with it.

If the person doesn't know of it..there is no argument to pose. And without damage of any kind done..I feel this type of behavior is perfectly acceptable. I also believe that if I were to hamper such notions of the "predator" instinct with concerns for morality, it would cheapen the ideal itself..making it meaningless.

I do hope this has answered the basic questions posed.

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to me feeding would be obtaing energy from any source... the only morals i can give are... welll i cant think of any right now

harm
n.

1. Physical or psychological injury or damage.
2. Wrong; evil.

tr.v., harmed, harming, harms.

To do harm to.

[Middle English, from Old English hearm.]

Yes, I do believe that I am taking something from them. This something is not necessarily mine..but the taking of it from others defines vampirism at it's basest.

I do not define it as harm, however..merely a mild depletion. It does little more than make them sleepy in my experience. I am just helping along a process that would have occurred anyway through natural means.

The idea that I sparked it does not weigh heavily on my conscience though. I do not believe that anyone will judge me for it, except those with dissimilar ideas on ethics. I also do not believe that I am taking from the universe..just cause and effect(it doesn't have a mind). The universe is a cold place, with all sorts of interesting breeds.

As for their spirit, that is a matter of opinion..and whether or not any damage is done to the spirit in inconclusive at best. I think this really depends on your spirituality as well, as mine indicates to me that nothing is wrong here.

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A dictionary definition which takes no account of metaphysical properties is pretty inconsequential to the argument, especially in that I never stated that you were causing physical, nor psychological harm and in fact, agreed with you that it does not.

I cannot see either of us shifting greatly from our positions on this matter, so, I will say in closing that I beleive it to be harmful in respect of a depreciation of a persons higher level self, however brief.

And also, that I can only accept this with explicit permission given, with an understanding of what it means for that person to be giving to me.

:)

I understand this, and do respect your view on the matter. The definition though was meant to compound the idea that this is how 'I' see harm..and that I don't take their spiritual well being into account while doing it. Just my opinion on it.

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I wanted to add my two cents here. Feeding Empathically, Psi, or sang Should always be done respectfully. But there are times like when You are at a mall and surrounded by 50 people it is not nessecary to let them nkow what you are doing. And it is not always an ability to control. Those that feed off auras and emotions it comes natural..

Maybe because I am really still an unawakened one, I see it all in a different light. I see the act of 'feeding' in blood or in a sexual energy (as I think I am partly a sexual vampyre), a very intimate thing. *shrugs*

Things can change as you evolve though I suppose.

I have alot to learn, alot of questions and alot of confusion regarding all of tho really. So .. eh.

isnt feeding simply gaining something from someone else?

I can see both sides of this issue...

On one hand.. yes... you need to get permission from your donor (any kind of donor)..

And on the other... if your a psy vamp or whatever have you... and you need alittle to tide you over or whatever have you.. why not nibble alittle while your out and about... I believe there is no lasting effects on your "prey"...


Any point..just about anyone has their own set of morals and values on life... They are gonna do what they wanna do... *shrugs*

What is immoral to one person is viewed as not a big deal to another person.... who are we to judge?

Feeding can be defind in different ways depending on how it is used. For example in a vampric term "feeding" is the sucking of blood from an innocent victom. In more modern terms "feeding" can simply be defind as eatting ones meal or energize the body through eatting verious foods.

Feeding, to me is done to stay alive. No matter what kind of feeding you do.

When one's need comes and he/she has to quench its hunger or thrist.

I was going to put when one is hungry and eats but I think the upper explanation is okay:P

I love you guys lol ok there are times I feed and say nothing like at the mall like stated above but if one is sleeping in my living room and is a guest then yes I think you should ask unless they said yes to you before

takeing someones lifeforce to preserve your own

Feeding is when you take a victims energy and use it for yourself

i agree with both sevenn and darkangeldevina....exchange of energy is feeding..and you must always have permission if it is psy! well any form of exchange at that...lol!

It is the means to pull life energy from a body or the surrounding area into the body in order to sustain spiritual healthiness and physical up keep.

Yet must be aware of those who suffer from heart problems and other similiar issues which could cause them to have issues if energy is pulled from someone who is needing all of there energy in order to properly function and survive.

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someone close to me shared their energy with me a few times but i had no clue that it was called "feeding" until another friend of mine explained what i was feeling. Light headedness, aroused, relaxed. It felt pretty damn good i know that much. lol

I can only speak for the psy feed

In crowds, so much energy you just take what you need, no point wandering round telling everyone theyd think you nuts anyway.

Energy from nature, no problem

Energy from sex...well, again when I feed in that way I give back as well and no complaints from anyone lol, and only one has known I feed because he has an open mind and is more than happy with his benefits shall we say. Others did not need to know.

A psi who latches onto one person and drains them is more of a leech, the results can be disheartening to see, one who I met was so drained that when the psi was in his presence he virtually became brain dead. His energy levels were way way low, very depressive character. Those who feed in that way tend to move on when they have finished if they know, if not they continue and make their donor miserable, but thats up to their own moral conscience as is all things in this life

Hi Nas,

What are your thoughts on that last kind of feeding being a possible factor in the creation of a vampyre, so called 'sympathetic vampyrism'?

Is this a likely outcome of a prolonged period of taking from someone, who then learns how to do it for themselves?

I have structured my life to be in front of adrenaline filled crowds so picking up ambient energy is easy, and I have no moral issues with this. The energy my partner and I share is of course consensual, and it is important the exchange be consensual and here is an example of why:
A quantum mechanics theorist named Dr. Masaru Emoto did a series of photographic experiments involving the molecular changes in water based on thought energy alone. His theories provide convincing proof that the emotions and we attach to our activities have a profound effect on the molecular structure of the things around us. Human bodies, for example, are 90% water. If I have an opportunity to purify the energy coming in to me, by telling the "source" of the energy that they are appreciated,respected,loved...what have you, then out of respect of my own self, of course I do that. The opportunity to positively influence someone else wouldn't be something I intentionally passed either. To me, it just seems like common sense. To use energy from a source contaminated by fear, loathing, your own contempt of the source, etc. will bring exactly that energy into you.

To satify a hunger of what you desire...

I will define feeding, here goes;

Its when you take a scroumchiest plate of drulling food and you smeel its wonderfull aroma, then you take a fork or hands or w/e you like to use and stuff your face with the food :P

Sympathetic Vampires:

These individuals are people who have been constantly drained of their life energy to the point were their own body and mind begin to find ways of pulling the life energy from others. This could be unknowing to the non-awakened who is classified as a Sympath, which is usually the case, yet some realize the events and feel that they are "Awakened." These individuals tend to come into the society just like all others, except for one thing, the actual feeling of the Awakening into the condition.

Since the Awakening is hard to classify, because i t veries from person to person, we can never be to sure who is and who isn't a real Awakened.

At one point when the person is away from the source of the drain they will eventually regain their own life energy back and will no longer require the ability to draw from others.

Those who realize this and do not want to be seen as an outsider to the rest of the community will now draw energy from others just so they can, not because they need it. Some will blind themselves willingly just to lie to themselves in order to make themselves believe that they are still awakened.

These people end up being known as Kaja, or Fakes. Fakes are those who are there as Vampyres just because. Either because they feel its what they fall under, not because that is what they really are, or because the do not want to be out casted or feel that they will be out casted.

Kaja goes into more then just these two types of individuals, it has more meaning to it and I can add on to it later. Yet right now this is as much as I can remember off the top of my head.

- Sin

feeding to me is a spiritual experience...when i feed i feel over powered with life...i feel that in order for me to feel truely alive i must feed

feeding is spiritual in any way...i think anyway

I feel feeding is more sexual for me

I think it is trading of energy from one thing to another.

i think that feeding could mean blood energy or emotions. there is no strict definitins.

depends on the type vampire.....some psychic vampire dont know it and they drain people with out knowing they do it.

psy feeding should be done with permission but it is often done and the feeder doesnt even know and then the donor knows something is going on but does not know what so sometimes it jsut happens

I am not sure about this but I think you people just made things to complicated, really simple the definition of feeding is the same as the definition of eating.

feeding: can be an exchange of positive, negative, or both depending on your taste of nourishment

the taking of something to fufill a your deepest desire

feeding is a exchange of energy's from one thing another and should always be done with permission of both parties

Feeding-The act of consuming..

I agree that feeding is the transferance of "nourishment" from the donor to the vampire. It is more than just energy or blood being transfer though. It is also part spiritual and the vampire also gains part of the donors being ie. who and what they are. Feeding no matter the type should always be done with permission and never to the point of the death of the donor. Even in fiction Dracula as powerful as he was could not enter a house without permission. Besides being immoral feeding to the point of death and feeding without permission would draw negative and unwanted attention to the vampire community.

It's all about the Energy...It varies for each situations and the Ones involved...

I think Sevenn said it perfectly, it's an transfer of energy from one to the other. And yes psy feeding should be done with permission

Sometimes in large crowds where the engery is strong I feed without realizing, is there a way to better control myself? Sorry to bump off your thread.

That really depends on the extent of control you have over the way you pranically feed when you are conscious of it. Do you feel a strong connection to your "source", or is it more scattered like a muddy frequency? If that is the case..then I would suggest meditation, as a matter of fact. In crowds, people tend to feed to to excitement or anxiety of some kind..you would do well to figure out what specifically triggers that darin for yourself, and then proceed to tackle it at the root. Any other ideas?

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