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That's an easy one. It's a way of feeding off other people's energies.
I'm not within the BDSM community but i sure know quite a LOT that are! lol I asked them the same thing and well it depends on who you are and your intentions. For the "vampire" it's a way of getting a good source of "food". I know it sounds silly to some but, it is what it is.

I agree with you, Kitra. People's needs & wants vary wildly, but the energies generated from BDSM would be conciderable, IMO.

True...Sexual Vampyres feed of the Life Force or Energy from sex! BDSM type of Sex and normal sex can also be used in Sex Magick ^_^

In real BDSM you have to connect with your Partner on a very personal Level.If you`re a dominant you Need to know what your Sub likes/dislikes,their Limits and their Problems/successes and vice versa.
Plus the raw sexual energy generated from the control or Submission is s strong that a Person loses control of their own thoughts.When this happens you can feed on that released sexual energy.

"Sex Magic ?"

The idea of sex magick has been around since the earliest civilizations,it is by no means a New Age idea

To me, Sex is magic but that's besides the point. lol
Sex is a creative force that one taps into. There are many roads and paths that can be made through "Sex Magick" because of this type of energy that can be pulled through the other person of whom you are connecting yourself with. :)

It is only a small segment of the community that are into BDSM or fetish just like it is only a small portion of the community who are Goth and vice versa. Many are not into all of that. You don't have to be into BDSM to have a very different style of sexual relations or multiple partners or even one for that matter. It is as variable as the general public. It is more noticeable with the vampire community because they hold a lot of functions in connection to the fetish community. I have never been interested in any of them, lol. I do have friends that run websites and indulge regularly in various ways but for each of them I have many who do not. I don't think it is anymore prevalent. One doesn't have to be involved with BDSM to do sex magick or have an interest in the occult. Sometimes it is much narrower than that. But all sexual behavior raises the energy level. That is why some combine tantric practices into their intimate relationships. This is sort of like the question as to why those in the vampire wear black. Not all wear that color all of the time or at all. There are factions in the community and some are more vocal about what they do than others. Those who seek sexual enegy have gone by many names in the past and present. They use to call them pranic but no longer because it is a misnomer. I Usually hear sexual, eros, tantric and of couse succubus and incubus as labels used by those who deal with feeding from that sort of energy.

Excellent posts, Kitra and AT...

Too often in today's society, BDSM is considered to be the "ultimate" in extreme sexual expression/communion when, in fact, it all too often is simply another term for extreme fetish expression, with the term "fetish" meaning exactly what it is: the objectification of an item or body part or specific sexual activity to the virtual exclusion of the whole person or sexual act being experienced. In reality fetishes, whatever they are, are simply ways of hyperfocusing on a tiny aspect of sex in which, again too often, the person with whom such is being experienced is largely superfluous and ancillary to the act, itself. It is seldom if ever actual communion with another person; the other person simply serving as the "prop" needed to accomplish the experience. And too often BDSM is far more about the clothing, accoutrements and procedures/protocols than, again, it is about the actual sexual communion being experienced with another person or people.

As with so much in normal/standard Human interaction of any sort, it's far more about finding ways of ritualizing, homogenizing and stereotyping behaviors within a power hierarchy than it is about truly communing emotionally, spiritually and intellectually with another person or people through sexual communion... with all the rituals, accoutrements, etc., serving to actually substitute for that communion that has become increasingly more difficult to actually accomplish.

... and, by the by, it is exactly this missing component in current Human sexuality -- the true communion soul-to-soul with another person -- that the actual historical Vampire experienced with those select women he chose to both reveal himself and to, then, commune sometimes days and nights non-stop.

It is the inability of normal males to experience such communion with females of far greater emotional/spiritual/sexual capacity that has them requiring such fetishes, costumes, accoutrements and all the rest so as to find other ways of extending the sexual experience beyond what would otherwise be a limited sexual encounter.

It is hard to have a spiritual aspect to sex for most people.
Most people do not see it as a union,but just a physical act.Unfortunately we divide love into love of the body and love of the person(soul/mind)

Upir has an excellent point.If sexual communion becomes a game or a simple hunger it is in no way uplifting

The only thing I can contribute is this;

I myself was involved in a serious BDSM relationship with a Hungarian lady who also studied Vampirism. It was very spiritual for both of us. The powerful bond between us, the complete absolute trust we had in each other. You know BDSM
can be ddangerous if both are not in tune with each other.
Pain and Pleasure can very well go together. TSV


Ez a megtiszteltetés és a szeretet, Thomas

Maybe it's because of the sense prohibition, doing something socially unacceptable, the thrill of doing something that you shouldn't.

Most vampires enjoy 2 feed off of energy from sorrow or pain because it is oftentimes the most physically reviving but from personal experience i have found fetish activities such as BDSM and burlesque dancing and other such things can excite energy within a person and the atmosphere surrounding them essentially charging it and strengthening it therfore making it more physically revitalizing. I also beleive some vamps enjoy it because most if not all vampires haver a natural instinct to manipulate, and dominance can give the idea of manipulation, which is not necessarily a bad thing, simply a predatory instinct.

Could someone be submissive to one sex, dominant over the other, & yet draw on the energy of both ?

As in all things it provides a sense of both connection and release. besides that it's just an enjoyable asrgeric

I am not into BDSM or anything like that... at least I think I am not. I would really hate it if someone were to act all uppity and dominant over me. I'd give them a piece of my mind, no matter who that person is. However, yes, I guess it would signify a deeper relation of trust and open communication... even a sense of humility. The stripping away of the Ego would have to take a lot of "letting go". On a personal level, this can take place between individuals, and on a macro level, it can also take place between the system and its people. As far as I see, I see it happening on both levels. I am into the Occult - I may be Ignorant - but I do not see the link.

On a scholarly level, just recently, Harvard University accepted an undergraduate bondage and domination society. It is being studied in-depth and perhaps even accepted, by the mainstream even.

It is, indeed, Lordess, about trust and letting go entirely to another in whom you have grown to trust completely... though this far better (in my view) describes D/s (Dominance/submission) and its lovely emotional and even spiritual dimensions than it describes BDSM.

While BDSM does contain an inherent D/s aspect, of course, yet it expresses this primarily by diluting it through heaping onto it layer upon layer of props, costumes (usually), bondage devices, and instruments that... in my view, at least... distance the participants from one another both physically and psychologically... and, thus, emotionally. In BDSM, actual physical contact between participants is somewhat rare as also is actual sexual communion. This is because in most BDSM events, the participants may only barely know one another. Instead, most physical contact person to person is usually accomplished through the intermediary use of a prop, toy, bondage device, or instrumentation of some sort brandished by one to be used upon the other. Thus... there is far less actual physical contact body to body and truly person to person. Additionally in BDSM, there is (in my view) an almost caricature-esque quality to the participants who, in donning their costumes, seek to "manifest" only an exaggerated aspect of who they are, losing themselves in role-play personae with their "play partners," thus psychologically distancing themselves from one another.

The point being, again in my view: there is very little true intimacy and communion occurring in BDSM. In fact, in most cases BDSM is engaged in by people who have little to no relationship with one another outside of the "scene" in which they have chosen to participate.


However... D/s is almost the exact opposite.

In D/s, the participants are usually very close couples or poly-fidelous groups who are very close and very intimate with one another. In D/s, there is deep-seated trust and knowledge between them, which is what enables the deep emotionally-based interactions that heighten sexual intimacy and resultant pleasures and fulfillment.

The beauty of true D/s play is that it strips away the masks we hide behind and reveals our deeper souls to one another. Unlike in BDSM that only adds masks (both figurative and literal) to the mix along with all of the other accoutrements so common and stereotypical to BDSM, yet in D/s, the emotional interaction facilitates the participants to emotionally and physically... and sexually... interact on a very deep level with one another that truly heightens the emotional and trust aspects of their relationship and their sexual/sensual communion with one another.

At least... that is how I experience it and what it means to me. Your results may vary. ;)

A well sought after Dominatrix that I worked for in Berkley made it a point to point out that she never had sexual relations with her clients. She was one of the parties that initiated the Power Exchange, since then (from what I gathered from her) the scene took a downward spiral and became trendy, and plastic.

As Upir pointed out,true ``mastery`` and ``submission`` are actually trust.That is to say that do you trust someone enough that you will literally obey their every command.
Sometimes it is something which connects you to the other Person,since you know their fears,desires and ideas

or it could just be yet another "darker" aspect of life that our kind can find appealing. to some not necessarily to all...