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Some of my friends are into the whole witchcraft theme and they try oijia boards, dark magick and other kinds of magick. They say it works sometimes but then other times it doesnt go to planned. Has anyone ever tried any spells that worked? They also say that its not wvil and its got nothing to do with vampyrism.. but it has. vampires used to perform rituals and create prophecies.. isnt that the same thing? if they are doing dark magick.. that is vamp stuff right? anybody got any experience on the whole sabrina thing?

I don't see where being a witch has anything to do with being a vampire or vampirism. They are two separate things entirely.

As a witch I have had spells not work or not work as I intended them to. It's a matter of being precise with your wording. You can't be vague and get what you want. And its a matter of believing that what you will will work. If you doubt it than it just won't happen.

i agree with RowanTears.
they are two seperate things.
wording is precised and believing is a must. without these two, ur spells will not work. as RowanTears, mine have failed before too.

Two different things. The energy it takes to work a spell, beaware also spells don't work immediately, they do and can go in phases and it depends upon what the spell is.
Vamperism is another issue all together.

Well they probably are practicing Vampire Magic Wich is real and yes spells do work if you know what your doing

Vampire and magic...here is my humble opinion.
Alright take alchemy .. the basic of taking one metal and turning it into gold..did you know that if you look up the word "manna" the bible uses as the food from the heavens it roughly translates to mean gold powder distilled until it is superconductive? Your brain works by and uses electricity. Ingesting small amounts of a superconductor would increase the rate the neurons fire in your brain. Think Moses parting the red sea.
By unleashing the full potential of his mind for a brief time, he was capable of producing "miracles".
Oh, and by the way..how old was Moses upon his death...like several hundred. Some look at vampire to mean blood drinker...but through out history men and women pop up who were wise beyond their years..seem to live forever (back then the average life span was 30years for men and 22-25 for women) And trully, after all, "this is my blood, so take it"...sounds familiar?
But again...this is just my opinion.

two differnt things....why?
well a vampire may be able to do certain things because of dark magick...but is it a gift or is it learned? I think witchcraft is a learned form that all can do with study and practice...where in the vampire stories they just sort of inherited the ability because of the change...

i agree with many here..as i know many witches..and it would have to be if they do things properly..also i think that it has no real ties to vampyres unless they had learned to conduct magic.
also not all magic is black magic, so it is not all evil in nature.

I see them as completely separate things.
Once doesn't eliminate the the other nor aid it. Spells require careful thought, planning and working along with a sincere desire for it to work. I see it much like prayer, it is a positive desire sent out for help in whatever form. Positive thought is very strong as has been proven in medicine for years.

I do not claim to have much knowledge on this subject, but I do know that black magic or dark are not nessesarily evil even though there may be some spells, magics, or hexes that come off as rather spiteful.

The Wicca, however, of the wise, deal with what I call white magic. Spells, ceremonies, and rituals that help and heal. They are very spiritual and deeply believe in inner strength of oneself. If you will notice, the picture I have here above my user name is a Wiccan pentagram. As you can see it has repetitive symbols of peace (doves and peace sign) and represents 5 very spiritual elements (fire, water, air, earth, and spirit). It also has the zodiac signs which I believe is a sign of astrology; a type of fortune telling like tarot cards as a part of something they are known for. Come to my profile to have a better look.

Now vampirism, I know they have certain rituals and spiritual beliefs of their own. One such ritual I know alittle about is energy draining. Nothing that is harmful or evil, but just gives them energy to store or use later for other spiritual activities.

Now to be related, is something I know even less about, but I have however, encounter certain others who are both a vampire and a Wiccan and practice both.

Please stay on topic.
Which is: "Has anyone ever tried any spells that worked?"

Everything else is a "Buffy" thing.
Thanks ~ Billy

lol No need to go huffin' and puffin' over no nothin', love. We are merely making a point in seeing minor flaws in dear BuffySummers's words there.

So then, about that, I have witnessed spells that do not take effect when not believed. Even spells directed toward other people. The other must believe as well.

However, when truly believed and precisely completed, there can be suprising results.

As for a spell or certain magic gone wrong or not to plan, I cannot say...

Spells and Magick, are just different words for Energy Manipulation...If One has a grasp, understanding, and abilty to perform such things: it can be very productive, with the proper intent...Without these aspects, I highly recommend not 'playing around' with such serious things...

A thought on what works and not works.

Some spells may take more energy than others ie: more planning, more meditation, more candle burning, more of whatever is needed, and most importantly time. Somethings will not happen over night, some do.


And sometimes a price needs to be paid for doing such magicks. be careful what you wish for.

Indeed. I don't believe there would have been any Salem witch trials to speak of, if something didn't go terribly wrong or out of control. This is my outlook on how that may have started. An opinion of mine on how these spells and magics may have come into play not only now and with us, but elsewhere and when...

I should just copy and paste what the good sire Enigma had to say, I totally agree with him. Magic is not a toy, and should not be taken lightly.

Yes, and that is why I make that statement; something I have believed to have happened. Who knows really? But nevertheless, no toy at all.

Bless you, Enigma...

Silly me i should have read from the top :S
But i saw Billy so i thought i'd join in. As im Witch and in my journals says it all. My words about witchcraft its not something that your born with. And to say in witchcraft its how much you put into it, what you get out of it. Like the Quija many believe that demons will pop out and kill you, that is so wrong. Many kind of magic spells, potions etc.. can be used in a positive way. But if you read up on and theres alot of good books out there you will see that alot are placibos and some are trully real.
Its best explained in my journals free for the reading i have lived the life of a witch for many many years now. Stones, Runes and Crystals are even great for heal purposes.
But beware if trying black magic because once used it will come back to you 100X harder and thats the wrong thing to be doing.

and thanks Rowentears you said it :)
Plus, Im also a Ordained minister of Pagan/Wiccan beliefs. She said it all you can use it and get nothing but its what you put it in that counts. If you believe something hard enough, think about it.
It surely will happen.. :))

Actually, I disagree entirely with some of the sentiments in this thread.

Personally, I hold that if you believe so strongly in your magickal process, it ends up becoming entrapped by it's own neccessity of tradition.

If a mind may only accept that a 'spell' would only work in a certain fashion- being ritualised for example, it forces a predetermination, or at the very least, an over-restrictive set of requirements for success.

Unless those requirements are fully satisfied, the Magick can never be fully successful.

Adaptation to the immediate situaton and available resources, is much more effective, imo.

Looks like nobody wishes to actually answer the topic. My guess all the experiences are in peoples journals. Anybody wish to second that guess?

Hey, I said something towards it.

:P

STABB

Let's hear it then. The experiences that are in the journals. Bring them forward, otherwise there is no point to this thread...

I believe that magic is different for each person. Some need to rituals where others can perform certain spells in their heads and still get the same results. I suppose it all depends on the person and on the magic they wish to call.

Agreed. Depends on the spell. Besides, just because a spell never goes wrong for you doesn't mean that it ever don't. You just may be more atuned to the whole magic thing...

I have done spells that have worked but an equal amount of those that have not worked. I did a spell on a suposed friend who stole a partner that I was dating at the time. My suposed friend left town after that and hasnt came near me since. LOL

so the answer to your question is yes but I wont tell you to be carfule because enough people have done that.

lol Have any of your spells gone wrong, firewolf?...

lucky for me now lol

I agree the RowanTears, and midniteangel. I have been Wiccan for about 9 years now and I have had spells backfire on me before. The only real thing I can say is mind the rule of 3. Karma will return weather it is good or bad. I studied for about a year before I tried to do a spell. Not all spells work for everyone. Sometimes yu need to rework a spell for it to work for you.

That is true. For some, a different attibutes works different for everyone at first. Try a different attibute of each quarter to see which feels better for you. I know most will love to work with fire (South) but another may be suited for you. Meditate on each, work with each, practice with each. Most likely you with perfer one over another.

You mean fire, earth, air, water, and spirit?...

Yes, take the famous Love spell.
Once you find which element works best for you, then you can create a spell that has those attributes mostly in them. If you favor "Fire" South, then you may be using a candle or cauldron to burn with. If "Water" West, then you may bebest to work with the ocean/beach. You may find yourself burying your spell in the sand or throwing it out in the ocean "to carry your desires." And so forth.

So not to go off topic: my experiences tend to be in the woods. Earth (which has all the four elements). It is easier to call/ summon since not too many people gather in the woods, except hunting season. I bring all the things I need with me. And leave an offering before I leave. As said earlier, I never had a problem. I have had wild skunks walk to me and dragonflies land on my shoulders. All during my rituals. It is a beautiful feeling being that close to nature.
But you must get personal with the elements first. Pick one, and see what happens.

Well never have cast many spells only one but it usually works. I don't claim to be a witch or magic user prefer brawn over power but if you don't believe in what your doing with all of you r heart then how can the spell actully work for you?

there's some differences between being a witch and a vampire, but , then again, i was my witchcraft and birth-given gifts that made me what i am to day.

i still use some rituals, not often, but now in a much more devoting and..serious dark way.
and yes, it works...

I believe that you much truely search out you resources first. You must not get into things without your eyes totally opened. It also, depends on what's in your heart. If you have plans for revenge, watch out, it could come back to you in three folds. You must have a good positive spirit when dealing with majic.

I know, you've got the Wiccan rule of three.

''Bid ye the Wiccan Laws ye must, in perfect love and perfect trust.
Eight words the Wiccan Rede fulfill: An ye harm none, do as ye will.
And ever mind the rule of three, what ye sends comes back to thee.
Follow this with mind and heart, and merry meet and merry ye part.''

i enjoy standing on the edge, because i'll never fall down

The Sabrina thing is rather insulting. That aside, Ive been a devout practicioner of Witch Craft LONG before I ever awoke as a vampire. And as a Vampire, and a Witch, I have not done any of these "dark" magick rituals. How ever, I do pull much of the powers that I use from the night/dark. So, while according to some, (Constantinos, Author:Gothic Grimoure and Noctornal Witch Craft) it could be called Dark Magick, but its definatly NOT evil. It just has to do with the energies one is more attuned and apt to call on.

Sa Ar Muirin Dorchadas
Tempest Dan

Gothic Romeo

As per the comment made in the first responce regaurding Dracula feeding until he was youthful again, I dont really understand how that is a glamour spell? In my mind thats what the Vampire Ledgends say we do. Feed to stay young, not feed to throw up a glamour our youth. A glamour is a spell of deseption, you look like 6'2 when your 5'9, your eyes are blue there really brown Im 40 I look 30 NOT Im 40 now I am 30.


Gothic Romeo

lol Well said, BelovedDarkness, that's what I've been trying to say. You seem very interesting. I should know more about you. (I love vampirism and witchcraft...)

as a master in my own practice i would defintiely say they are two diffrent things, in my order we you neutral as are casue , i teach both the bad and good but in our realm we have outlawed the practice of the dark becasue it causes more bad then most people give it credit for,, the things that are practiced should not be taken lightly , if you get into deep and are not aware of the consequences you can pay dearly for them, so my word of advice would be think carefully before you act especially when summoning becasue it could turn out really bad for you if your not careful.

Master Druid
Ordained Master Druid

i do not use magic as often as i used to, rather never,.. because my birth-given gifts has grown stronger and more powerfull, so i now know how to control most of them.

hmmmmm...

seems, IMHO, that is a person were a vampire, it might "enhance" their ability to cast...

like some are natural artists, some statesmen, some actors...

You know SwtEternity, I tend to have to disagree with you on the ouija board bit. I dont expect you to believe me, because youve not had the experiance yourself, but those who live in the house will tell you a different story. Bad things can and do come out of ouija boards. And they can and will try to kill you. Wanna know more, ask.

magick is neither white or black true magick is both because it has the potantial to be either it reall matters on the witch

Sabrina?

No offense, but I think that's a very superficial and tenuos link to use.

Pagans, some types of herbalists, and other religions use "spells" in the streotypical sence, and some may consult to deities.

I can honetly say that I thnk something as small as practicing meditation can be a form of elemental and spiritual deepening of the soul.

I have personally used Tarot cards with acute accuracy. I have also used crystal ball gazing, Ouija boards, meditational excercises, and energy manipulation. I have also studied basic principles of Wiccan casting, although I am not a follower of the Wiccan path.

I think that fithis interests you, then you should keep askign questions. However, I also think you have to define what you think "this" is, and also consider your inner depth and personal motivations to find out.

I don't think I have any right to claim that I knwo everything, neither am I trying to do that, but I personally think that yourself is your most powerful tool.

in my opinion Witchcraft and vampirism are somewhat connected. a vampire performs a sort of ritual when they feed on blood - it transfers energy, which is what a Witch's ritual does. so it's similar in that way i guess.

you might just have a point there, RavenEyes

here is my one cent worth;

most spells work, i used them for years.

you have to know what you want, believe that you will get it and realize that what you put out returns threefold. yes it does happen that way.

i am learning about energy manipulation so have wandered away from the spells.

You might say, I come from a family of kitchen witches...I mean just your average everyday little stuff that somehow makes life worth a damn. When you are having that "off" day where you bump into everything. Or lose that important school paper, or misplaced the address of where your job interview is. Have I used them? Yes. But allways with respect and a healthy dose of fear. There is no shame in being afraid of the fire, for it migh burn. You can control it a thousand times, but it only takes once not to.
My last ritual.
I have a long time friend, who has a drinking problem. He admits this. But everytime he has tried to walk away from it, he crashes and bindges. Then calls me the next day. Cause I don't accuse, I just listen and really try to putmyself in his place. So I made him my mother's "Hangover Soup". I won't go into the making of it. All I asked for was for my friend to have enought strength to do what he truly wants. It has been so far about two weeks. Everyday I think of him and the struggle he is going through and hope that I have helped a little. ( I first asked for his permission before begining) I think of this as kitchen magic. I don't know any ceremonial types.

To say that vampirism and magick are the same thing is like saying that cats and dogs are the same creature because they both walk on 4 legs...

Vampires USE magick.... Magick is its own essence..... My suggestion is to go to your local bookstore and pick up a book on magick... Ly de Angeles is a very good author on the subject of magick...

Would like to hear from BuffySummers on her experiences/ stories, it is your thread dear...jump in

I agree billy....

spill it...

the only time ive seen magic used with in the vampire world is in books they are two diffrent things

Totally 2 separate things. No way can anyone think vampirism and the craft are anyway close to the same thing.
BLESSED BE

i would say witches and vamps are totaly different and for magik to work you have to truely bellive,and dont forget and bad magik u do to otheres comes back on you 3 fold

You don't have to be a vampire to practice magick, dark or otherwise. On the same line, just because you practice magick, it doesn't automatically make you a vampire. Though you can perform spells and rituals specific to vampires if you want to.

My mom used to be into that kind of stuff. She had many books on witchcraft and other things like that. She had a quieji bored of course. SHe has told me of the experiances she had, and how at night, she was able to concentrate enough for her soul to leave her body and wonder around at night. Its amazing. But after she had me, I was her first born, she threw them all away because she didnt want me involved in those kind of things.