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MadScientist
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21:59:59 Jan 02 2015
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This is not a thread to post your experience or encounter there have been plenty of those. This thread is to weed out the sensational element from the claimed experience , or encounters.

What separates a tall tale from a genuine account of something a person experienced (whether actually supernatural, paranormal or not).

My personal flag is when a person is spastic in their account, for example. I have seen actual post were people simply put "Well I know what I saw so believe me or not!" Now that is offensive to fellow believers as well as skeptics, and cynics.

To me I try to be skeptical, and not cynical. I know that some people see things that startle them, or throw off their senses, whether paranormal, environmental anomaly, staged hoax , or hallucination. I think a persons presentation, and and glib are important signs that aid discerning when weeding the files of alleged experiences, and encounters.

What are your thoughts on this?




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I think another thing that brings skepticism is bad video footage. Such as UFO or bigfoot film.

The more video I see, the less I believe in intelligent life on other planets actually coming to our planet.

Oh wait, I see the vastly more intelligent alien life form's plan...
"Let's use all our resources and our WAY more advanced technology to travel millions...billions of light years to that trailer trash planet, Earth! Why? To confuse and confound a race of beings who aren't even close to having our level of intelligence or technology. Also, it will give us the opportunity to anal-probe the poorest and dumbest among their species."

That would be like Bill Gates, traveling half way around the world, to mock and screw a goat!

We can get crystal clear footage of every animal on Earth, with the exception of Sasquatch and the Loch Ness whatever. Go figure.



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19:05:27 Jan 03 2015
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I blame Art Bell.



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I would hope that those that harbor beliefs understand I listened to Art Bell for three years straight and listened as even Art grew jaded over people using the testimony f others as a template for their slightly more "astonishing" experience.

Notice how the most sensational accounts are always followed stonewalling people that ask, and press for details (skeptical, or support of the belief).


A good example would be "Black Eyed Children". Art took a call and the person accounted what could ahve been a Spook hoax on a person, and a repeat case set it even more up to go viral. three months earlier after opening the lines and getting no calls he got flooded with sightings of "Black eyed children.. and not once did anyone go "Ge maybe it is just soem kids with contacts.



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When listening to,or watching others accounts of what they have experienced/seen,I try to take into account their own bits of history..such as their mental state,their reputation,etc.

Take UFO's for example. I'd give more credibility to a career pilot with an unblemished record than I would the town drunk..not saying that the drunk one is lying,just that he is slightly less credible with the history of alcohol...

It's also hard to differentiate from those that have 'actual' footage of things when there are so many these days into photo and film manipulation.

I personally try to keep an open mind with all things. But I have a tendency to 'believe' things more when there are multiple consistent accounts by reputable individuals.



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21:25:23 Jan 05 2015
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I feel that 99.99% of encounters are cases of misidentification.



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05:48:34 Jan 06 2015
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who knows what the government builds,
then never tells us,or anyone why they
are putting threw the air.

so of course people are going to say..
'aliens' because to them its alien.

I'm pretty shure ..maybe more then 1%
of everything said or filmed ,might be true.

expecially if the recording was of somthing
by accident.
If it looks set-up..and if the cam is just facing
the sky for no reason,kinda puts a red flag up.



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I must say I find it "ironic" posts get away with using terms like "spastic" when referring to delusional or religious folks, who may or may not have had some sort of psychotic break.

Yet, any mention or censorship or deletion is almost always challenged and invariably removed from the forum.

I find the way this subject and question is structured pretty offensive. Firstly because being spastic doesn,t automatically mean mental incapacity.
Secondly because little can be gleaned by the tone or way somebody phrases such encounters. The spastics society are not going to like this analogy.

To answer the question-Bearing witness has several obvious factors, is the witness reliable, corroboration, motive, is their any motive to lie, risk reward, do the risks out weigh the rewards. Those with nothing to gain rarely lie. Lastly, perhaps most importantly, is there any reason why that person should be special, why them, why there at that time, is there something else going on and if so why ?



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What happened to just being in the right place at the right time? I feel that when it comes to telepathy, empathy and premonitions, its not a matter of being special..its natural for it to happen to us. As for ghosts and what have you.....There are several enviromental things that can make us think we are encountering spirits.



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04:55:55 Jan 07 2015
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I like a ghost story as much as the next person. However I like just that a story.. a set up, and an ending with some substance, wether the person actual witnessed it is secondary I don't care if they are making it up, at least make it up well. Not just.. "I saw a ghost." followed by the preemptive. "I don't care what others think." I mean really? Then why bother testifying? One should expect some inquiry after bearing witness to an experience, or encounter. Right?



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00:40:37 Jan 27 2015
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Are you really sitting in front of your computer posting in the forum or are you talking to yourself in a rubber room and only imagining visiting the VR???

The mind is a perceptual ideology and encounters are based on many things... state of mind -conscious and/or unconscious ideas, impaired or altered state of consciousness, enculturation, state of vision - clear or unclear sight, belief system that can be altered alter by the need to justify an experience, being deliberately untruthful, ect... Therefore, what is true in one persons mind is not in another.



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MordrakusxMortalitas
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I have heard a similar thing to that before, about the perceptive thing I mean, as there are some humans who believe reality is simply an illusion or everything exists because humans believe it does or want it to etc. Basically saying that everything is just in folks heads. heh interesting outlook on life.

One thing that is definitely recurring in these claims and sightings of aliens or something else, is that indeed the pictures or videos are always blurry, ambiguous or unfocused despite the fact that the age folks live in today has smartphones/iphones capable of taking HD pictures (I presume, I don't keep up with technology much) not to mention high quality camcorders and not one picture or video shows anything conclusive. Quite the pattern eh?



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15:50:13 Feb 03 2015
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Mordarake could you be referring to solipsism?



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MordrakusxMortalitas
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23:28:35 Feb 03 2015
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Yes, it might well be. Interesting concepts there, you wouldn't need evidence with that kind of perspective since everything is already considered false to them.



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00:34:04 Feb 04 2015
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It is just about weeding out the testimonies that don't warrent a second review.

I like hearing a good account of possible experiences or accounts, i just like it to be organized, and delivered well.



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