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Are there vampires in the bible?
I'm seeing lot's of members here in VR claiming to be vampires... alright, thats fine to me... but, if truly exists real, supernatural, undead vampires here in VR, please express yourself... this is not to discuss if they exist or not, I know that they do, its just that I find weird that they come here to internet and post messages... but... who knows...

returning to the subject: is there vampires in the bible? where did they appear and when? I know that myths were made about them, across the centuries, but that does not discredit that they exist in the most supernatural form that we know ... as well as, is not it since anybody says that God does not exist that he stops existing or vice-versa, right? The beliefs of anybody do not credit or discredit an absolute truth, and believe me, not even all the truths are relative, like someone said it. People tends to discredit things that they don't understand, like vampires, God, Satan and even dragons, and so on... but the most supernatural book of all, the Bible, as answers to almost anything in that matter, the supernatural...

I will give just a little briefing on this, please express your opinion:

First:
the word, VAMPIRE
vam'-pir (alaqah): the Revised Version margin for "horseleach" (Prov 30:15) has "vampire."
See HORSELEACH
hors'-lech (`aluqah; compare Arabic `aluqah, "ghoul," and `alaqah, "leech," from root `aliq, "to cling"; Septuagint bdella, "leech"): The word occurs only once, in Prov 30:15, the Revised Version margin "vampire." In Arabic `alaqah is a leech of any kind, not only a horse-leech. The Arabic `aluqah, which, it may be noted, is almost identical with the Hebrew form, is a ghoul (Arabic ghul), an evil spirit which seeks to injure men and which preys upon the dead. The mythical vampire is similar to the ghoul. In zoology the name "vampire" is applied to a family of bats inhabiting tropical America, some, but not all, of which suck blood. In the passage cited the Arabic Bible has `aluqah, "ghoul." If leech is meant, there can be no good reason for specifying "horseleach." At least six species of leech are known in Palestine and Syria, and doubtless others exist. They are common in streams, pools, and fountains where animals drink. They enter the mouth, attach themselves to the interior of the mouth or pharynx, and are removed only with difficulty.

Second: the meaning of words and it's significance, take for example, the dinosaurs... do they appear in the bible?
let's see a word,
BEHEMOTH

be'-he-moth, be-he'-moth (behemoth: Job 40:15): Apparently the plural of behemah, "a beast," used of domestic or wild animals. The same form, behemoth, occurs in other passages, e.g. Dt 28:26; 32:24; Isa 18:6; Hab 2:17, where it is not rendered "behemoth" but "beasts." According to some, the word behemoth, occurring in Job 40:15, is not a Hebrew word, the plural of behemah, but a word of Egyptian origin signifying "water ox." This etymology is denied by Cheyne and others. The word has by various writers been understood to mean rhinoceros and elephant, but the description (Job 40:15-24) applies on the whole very well to the hippopotamus (Hippopotamus arnphibius) which inhabits the Nile and other rivers of Africa. Especially applicable are the references to its great size, its eating grass, the difficulty with which weapons penetrate its hide, and its frequenting of streams.
The remains of a fossil hippopotamus of apparently the same species are found over most of Europe, so that it may have inhabited Palestine in early historical times, although we have no record of it. There is a smaller living species in west Africa, and there are several other fossil species in Europe and India. The remains of Hippopotamus minutus have been found in enormous quantities in caves in Malta and Sicily.

but, is it really the word behemoth well translated to hippopotamus? Or a dinosaur better describes this word? See the passage
in the bible:

Job 40:15 "Behold now, behemoth, which I made as well as thee; He eateth grass as an ox.
16 Lo now, his strength is in his loins, And his force is in the muscles of his belly.
17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: The sinews of his thighs are knit together.
18 His bones are [as] tubes of brass; His limbs are like bars of iron.
19 He is the chief of the ways of God: He [only] that made him giveth him his sword.
20 Surely the mountains bring him forth food, Where all the beasts of the field do play.
21 He lieth under the lotus-trees, In the covert of the reed, and the fen.
22 The lotus-trees cover him with their shade; The willows of the brook compass him about.
23 Behold, if a river overflow, he trembleth not; He is confident, though a Jordan swell even to his mouth.
24 Shall any take him when he is on the watch, Or pierce through his nose with a snare?"

for God sake, since when the hippopotamus have tail like a cedar?

Cain received a mark, some fallen angels had sex with womens, were is the difficult to believe that supernatural vampires exists and even the bible mention them???

forgive any bad english, I'm portuguese...

You have done alot of research. i think this should be an article and not a thread where it could get too off topic. If I were you I would add it as an article too.

Oh boy, now you got the subject started. I think this thread will be getting plenty of comments.

To start, most of the stories and histories on the "vampires" have been taken out of the original bible. The newer revised versions that do not carry the books - Enoch, Seth, Caine, Mary, Judas. For specific reason that they might harm the new churches that were made past the 300's A.D. As the first edit was made rouphly around 370 A.D. Out of fear that the informations may corrupt the churches, as blood was used in most of the information.

Yes, these books do show proof of vampirism in the original bible, both the greek, the Koran, and a couple of others.

I will wait for more comments before posting more on this thread.

(Goes to make a bag of popcorn.)

i am going to keep this open as long as you keep it *smile*

malakh,

I don't feel that you have provided any real credible basis for your hypothesis.

Leeches do not equate to supernatural vampires. Nor do 'dinosaurs'. I am not sure where you were heading with that reference.

Fallen angels, there is already a well-established theorem regarding, in the Nephilim. Cain's bloodline being an integral part of that.

Please can you provide some direct examples of where you feel Vampires are mentioned, or supposed in either the Talmud or the New Testament, since you have not given anything significant so far.

Hey, ppl say, that Jesus him self, was a vampire!

alixaryon,

Which people?

Why would they say such nonsense as that, do you think?

Wait a minute there Stabb, I am trying to provide some proof at the moment.

How's this for starts

Proverbs 30:14

There is a generation whose teeth are as swords, and their jaw teeth as knives to devour the poor from off the earth, and the needy from among men.

Soulshroude thats the thing... I didn't provide any verses because probably there are already threads who give them, and this forces those who are real interested to research by them selfs... and there are lot's of supernatural beings in the bible... I just want your opinions on this subject, I'm not trying to prove anything and no, the verse of the horseleach is not a reference to vampires... it's a reference to the meaning of words... like behemoth that men's keep on saying that the right translation is hippopotamus...

I can tell you now that after 27 years of studying The Talmud I have never come across a reference to vampires in any way shape or form.
I never expected to see dinosaurs there either as the bible was written well after such events and is a direct contradiction to science.

yes, thats true, but don't forget who wrote proverbs and what they have seen, most of that analogous are descriptions of things they saw, take for example the book of Ecclesiastes chapter 12 verse 6 "Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern."
almost everyone agrees that this book was written by Solomon the son of David, know how the hell does he knows about the silver cord? Those who understands about astral projection should know what I'm talking about...

malakh,

I agree there is interest in that verse, but how do you think that it is applicable to vampires?

alright... just a little thing about me, I study the entire bible for ten years, before that, I've seen and spoke to demons... real demons, and no, it was not under the influence of drugs, and I know were 2 supernatural real vampires lives here in portugal, at least 12 years ago I knew... I don't know if they still there... but that is not the point... and believe me that the bible surely as nothing against or contradicting the science... but this thread is not to discuss that...

malakh with all respect, dont you think that the bible.....indeed The Talmud to is open to any type of interpretation. Books of this type are of a very personal nature.

STABB666 the bible it must be read between the lines... we'll never understand it, if we don't take seriously some verses like this:
1 Corinthians 1:18 "For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20 Where [is] the wise? where [is] the scribe? where [is] the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe."

WE will never find God for our intelligence. period

...and if He exists, how could He not mentioned vampires and other beings?

Ecclesiastes 1:13 "And I gave my heart to seek and search out by wisdom concerning all [things] that are done under heaven: this sore travail hath God given to the sons of man to be exercised therewith."

the secrets of God are to those who love him...

But what you are insinuating, is that Vampires are directly referenced in the Bible, not whether 'God' spoke to someone about them.

The secrets of God are not encapsulated entirely within a few books.

It's possible that God (if it exists), could have made vampires known to man through means other than the Bible, but thats not what you posted on this thread.

Ok I have read ALL of htepost in this thread and I must be naive or just dense ... it is just really hard for me to wrap my brain around the whole thought of Vampires in the bible, yet I find this very intersting and will have to go read up on it, so I say thanks for making this thread because it tends to make one really stop and think about what all is being said here. ;)

im sure there were vampyers since the beginning but i dont think they ere documented in the holy bible

youve put a lot of thought into this. i agree this should be an article

I have heard a theory that Vampires are a breed of fallen angels, they were made that way as punishment for there insubordination, If you ask any well versed Catholic they should be able to tell you all you would want to know about angels, but not a lot of them that I know are as much into the research as others, also I am not sure of the verse although it is somewhere in the New testament Book of Matthew, I don't remember exactly and I could be wrong but it was something about some of the people he was speaking to being alive for the day of the second coming, now he could have meant something else by it, but I just thought I would throw it out there.

It was only a matter of time I guess. O.o

Wonder who wins the battle?

Very nicely done Malakh...yes Vampires are in the "Bible" under the Hebrew forms........and yes they were descended from the Nephilim.....but it was the Jabbbariyum that were the offspring of Humans & Nephilim.
Some races of Nephilim.....nephilim were not a single race....were blood drinkers, but they did not have fangs which represent the modern vampire of lore.

A good example of their feeding would be "REPRESENTED" in the movie...."RISE/ BLOOD HUNTER, a lot of research went into the production of the film. You have to watch it more than once to fully understand the meaning, and listen carefully to the script.

And about reading between the lines...yes of course, but there is also reading with understanding...the Bible that says Jesus was crucifed also says he wasn't.

And the mentioning of the original term for the earth can be found in JOB....reading with understanding is essential.

Get a good lexicon, Greek & Hebrew, and explore the roots of words, you'd be ASTOUNDED at what you find

Christ was definately not a vampire.. at the last supper even though he said the stuff in the cup was his blood it was wine. Ok now remember that alot gets lost in the translation so that is why one translation uses the word unicorns in Psalms and one version says wild bulls. It is most likely all in the translation

No one is saying he was a vampire....Cada....
And yes the analogy of blood and wine is just that an analogy

Kwil thanks for the tips, I'll try to get that movie... about the books, I think that I have both of them... if not, I'll get them... thanks ^^

agrees but then my thoughts are different on the bible anyways..whole nother subject..and from what i read, it does give impression of vampires back then..what of Cain and why he was banished and to what...That could make one think Vampires

Not every scripture writen is in the Bible.

The boos of the Polycryph and the Apocryph are extremly intense and fill in the gaps of time lines and personages and races, ancient and ET. But finding a good copy is almost impossible, you would have to get a copy published in whole from back in the 50's or early 60's the ones today are watered down and not complete.

NOT descendants of what man calls angels (ET)

THe descendants of the Angels and Human women, and heere's something you have to ask yourself....if there was only Cain and Able and Cain killed his brother....Then Seth was born...where did the women come from?
They were born twins Cain and his sister, Able and his sister, Seth was born alone.
Who were the daughters of Man....Man began to multiply on the face of the earth. And it isn't talking about the inhabitants of NOD, they were the fallen "Angels" who had their established society.
There was a garden...let's call it Eden...that was closed off from the rest of "world at large"


The rest of the story is even more interesting.....

The descendants of the Angels and Human women were called Jabariyyan....they were the ones who built the cities of MU and Atlantis...."Men of old, Men of reknown"

The war was between them and the Nephilim that were already here, the Nephilim had few resources for "advanced" construction and wound up uniting the "population" of humans that feared the Jabariyyan and their technology, and eventually destroyed the cities....you can find that story in the Sumerian texts.

i agree and always wondered where the rest of the ppl came from? sinceLilith was really the first woman and wife of Adam.. doesnt make sense but yet we are evil..And it may not have mentioned the word Vampire but the implications are there..i have read the bible from beginning to end and the old testament is where sin began..That is where it is more or less mentioned

There are going to be "aliens" in this story yet. Yep, just you wait.

-.- take me to your leader

The Moody institute was built on de-bunking all forms of "Other than" what was acceptable in Religion....

Not saying you attend Moody, just that it didn't work for them. Especially when ancient "Theologies" other than that which is "Accepted as" come into play.

People need to stop throwing their "degrees" or "levels" of achievement into it and prove that ideas are wrong other than accepting what they are taught as fact.

I'm not trying to insult you....just trying to allow you a path to travel on you own other than what is accepted and taken as rule of thumb.

church rituall involves the drinking of christs blood and eating his flesh depending somewhat on the demonimation.so all practising christians are vampires of a sort.

Oh Lord... lets not get off on that tangent again.

It always amazes me how people slice pieces out of different parts of the books, across various translations and stick them together, to try and wedge them into a cohesive theory.

Yea exactly......wouldn't be nice if we all were able to read it in other than English...and understand the roots of the words anda their tenses.. ;)

humm.... it's getting interesting, my fascination for vampires came when I was a little boy, but it was not for the vampire itself, it was for the eternal life... I was an agnostic till I was 18 years old, were I discovered that we can speak to demons (Ouija board was the start) and then I continue my research for the truth... everything that I believed, was flushed away by that new stuff that I came across... and it began my quest... probably exists vampires as well... I've read lots of stuff about this subject and the bible is the only consistence book, about eternal life and supernatural beings... and if God does not exist, neither eternal life, well, to me this short and miserable life sucks... I didn't ask to born, so if this as to end, what the hell am I doing here? and for the record, I didn't born in a wealthy family, I did not ask to fall down of a train and loose my right leg (thats right) and eternal life by the bible, you will keep your personality and some of your memories, and even more... you will have your appearance almost just like the one you have here, less the imperfections... I do want to live forever and ever... :X

if God does exist and the bible is God's revealed word to us, then we have to take seriously some key verses like this one:

1 Corinthians 2:13 "Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned."

so, those who didn't received the Spirit of God can not discern/understand the bible... no matter what they do...

just like you I'm expressing my opinion, I'm not trying to prove anything, but you're wrong when you say that I did not studied the bible, and I still continue to study, I just want opinions about this, either in favor or against... there will always be divergences... thats why we discuss, no?

You can find a vampire correlation in ANYTHING. It is my opinion that this one poppycock.

Google?

I don't google or use Wiki.....with the Library I have there is no need.
But wouldn't it be amazing if everyone could own a copy of the Polycryph and Apocryph
Just think of the unanswered questions.
Sadly the best copies were removed from bookshelves in the late 60's
Imagine 3" thick volumes of scriptures that didn't fit into the Vaticans way of thinking..

Sadly there are many that will never know the rest of the story. And rely upon those who only know what they've been taught. And the cycle continues from one generation to the next. Until finally there can be no more room for doubt. The mind will rebel yes, the ego will not tolerate the possibility, but in the end the spirit will either accept it's folly among man or wither and perish at it's own hand.

Gosh, hasn't anyone read the King James Bible? They found Bigfoot and the Lochness Monster in there too!

KingJames

I can't wait to see what they come up with next...

Canaan's descendants no doubt (Hee hee hee) couldn't resist

I know there's a lot we don't know... more lessons, more parables, more metaphors... but nothing that would shake the very foundations of those who believe. That's how I feel about it.

Understood and accepted dear Lady.

well jesus did say drink his blood and eat his body lol

No - he didn't.

After blessing bread and wine and giving it to them to eat and drink, Jesus told them that it was his body and his blood of the Covenant.

What part of bread and wine don't you or anyone else understand?
It's m e t a p h o r ! - S y m b o l i s m !

Maybe the word Covenant is too big a word to understand.

BillytheJust you misunderstood everything... didn't you?
first, I never mentioned the book of Enoch, and second, if you had read everything you'll see that the word lilith is surely in the bible...
I'll put the passage again:

Isa 34:14 "And there shall the beasts of the desert meet with the jackals, and the wild goat shall cry to his fellow; the LILITH also shall settle there, and find for herself a place of rest."
BIBLE - Darby, John Nelson (1890)

...now, how about that? lilith really appears in the bible and as nothing in common with a woman... its a night-monster/evil-spirit... sorry matte

ok... I understand that... listen, I'm not trying to proof anything, I just came up with this subject because there's much more in the bible that we could ever imagine... if God really exist, then He as revealed much more then we could imagine, take for example this; who was the guy that told the world that the Earth is round? Galileo Galilei, right? no, wrong... see this verse in the bible, written 2700 years ago:

Isa 40:22 "[It is] he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof [are] as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:"

so, it was Isaiah who first wrote about that... and the issue of the interpretation is for those who wants to give excuses for what they believe... the common interpretation for behemoth is hippopotamus, right? but that description fits much more better in a dinosaur that in a hippo... since when hippopotamus have tails like cedars? and about the issue of that in that time no one ever has seen a dinosaur, to be described in the bible in completely ignorance, it is God speaking to Job and revealing is word, not a description of man's... and for God sake, He says that behemoth is he's master piece of all the animals, an hippopotamus a master piece? sure... :X

yes, achully vampires are in the bible, i had to do a paper for school, and found it...once i find the correct info i will post it here, i just need to find my papers.

Many legends have sprung up about vampires and Bibical times. Apparently, some believe Adam had a wife before Eve named Lilith. I have had some tell me she was the first vampire.

I have also heard the stories about Cain and Judas.

There is the myth that Adam's first wife, Lilith went on to be a vampire...But that's another story.

In the actual Bible, I don't believe there are vampires. There's the nephilim, and I believe it mentions dragons and beasts but not vampires.

In my own opinion, the bible is a work of fiction, and I just can't take anything written in ANY version seriously. That said, I've seen no real reference to vampirism in the bible.

but have you read it?
to find something of that nature, you'll need to read it, to dig it, and to make lots of research... it's not going to pop right in front of your eyes...
the bible it's a superb book... fiction? since when? you can find accurate history and archaeology...

one more thing, I didn't mentioned lilith the supposed first women of adam, but the word that appears in Isaiah... if you read the all thread you'll find it...

On the contrary, you find a few snippets of genuine history, and a LOT of hearsay, mistranslations, lies, etc. And you can interpret any number of verses to mean next to anything. Just because you can interpret something as pertaining to vampires doesn't mean it actually does, nor can you be sure that the verse is even genuine!

i have also heard Lilith was the first woman and was made as Adam was, and his first wife..Like i have said there may not have been any mention of the word vampire but other words have been said in the bible to let one think they were referring to vampires..Also heard of Cain and Judas being otherkins so why no a vampire? just because the word isnt mentioned doesnt mean they didnt exist

It isn't necessarily about the word, since the first reference to the word vampire was somewhere in the 15th century.

to aal you mundanes yes vampiers are in the bible look up lillith and grgoi and you will find plenty of refferences to my kind in your little christan book

La6Muerte66... oh, please do illuminate me that I am in darkness and do not manage to see... lol... mistranslations? point one... lies? please show me were... for 10 years I could not see... were are they?

lilith was adams 1st wife ,,,,,she was not spoke of alot but she was told to have been vampyre

One mistranslation is the one that was mentioned earlier. ""Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern." This silver cord is meant as the spinal cord, the golden bowl - the skull, the rest is the lungs and blood system. They are written in prose. The whole book is. Always wondered myself why they put it in. O'well. Nothing to do what you might thing it is to our language now.

My favorite always was the parable about the rich. Everyone knows it. "It is easier for a rich man to go through the eye of a needle, than the gates of heaven." Or something along those lines. I'm not going to look it up. But how many people know what an "eye of a needle" is? First thought, and always was - still taught that way too - a sewing needle. The eye being were you put the thread through, right? And you would be wrong. The correct meaning changes the whole meaning. Funny really. Shame too.

A whole religion was started because of a simple phrase that JC spoke. "Nobody comes to the Father except through me." People have been massed killed because of it. Judged and hated. All because people do not understand the meaning.

Some are indeed very blind.

As for History...maybe people should watch the history channel due to space limitations.

Ok...now how has anyone thought that maybe these peoples in biblical times could have used a word in reference to vampire...such as "leech"...why does everything have to be in a literrall translation! If you look up hebrew and greek words a lot of them translated to english were not literall translations but translated enough so we can understand it in out tounge...

For christs sakes people think outside the box...!

the only thing i have to contribute to this is there is a passage somewhere in the bible say "the blood is the life"....

as for if there are vampires in the bible, who really cares, its a retarded christian mystisism, i would sooner take stock in more credit sources then scripture, like real historical documentations...

Why would vampires in any form or name be written in the bible in the first place. It all seems silly to me. Its going to come down to, pick a book any book, then find a word any word, and *poof* - Vampire!

First..the bible in is a historical document...many of the places and battles did happen and are found in text ourside the bible...think with an open mind here...


Second...what i said was meant for intelligent people...come on seriously...if you are curious enough you will research until you have valid information...not find a word and some how find a translation in another language to make it what you want it...

We must keep an open mind towards everything.

People, keep in mind that stories throughout time have been retold and altered so many times that the stories become so magnificent it's hard to tell what to believe about them. Yes, this is even true for the bible.

I believe that the stories in the bible do have some truth to them, but, over the many years of retelling the stories from the bible, that the information has been altered in such a way that it makes them unbelievable.

And, before people start trying to disagree with me on this, keep in mind that you have NO PROOF, only words in a book. Everyone is entitled to their own belief and I do not judge people for their beliefs, I actually find other people's beliefs fascinating. Also, if alot of other stories (not related to the bible) can be twisted and altered over the years, why can't it be the same for the bible? Yes, let's keep an open mind here...

about the veracities of the bible I will comment no more... it's useless... but about vampires been written on the bible or not... silly?
I still don't get it, we have dragons, satan, demons, angels, archangels and lots of supernatural beings... see the description of Cherubim in the book of Ezekiel and tell what is so amazing in mention vampires? I can't figure it out... vampires are not the ultimate being... or are they? :X

once again, read carefully... I'm not trying to prove that vampires are mentioned in the bible, and for sure I'm not talking about that kind of vampires you are mentioning... I'm talking of supernatural, undead with super-strength force and other abilities vampires... yes, the ones that hollywood represented so well in the Interview with the Vampire... this is a subject to see the different opinions about this, and for those who have more details regarding this matter and post it here... I started this, because I'm seeing lots of guy's claiming to be vampires, and that's fine with me, but I think that the true vampire being, is fallen down in discredit for that... I don't care about it, but I don't understand were you people wants to get it, by thinking that way?
What is the purpose? this site?

I couldn't have read more carefully. You asked: Are there vampires in the bible? I say 'no'.

What's the purpose of this site? Cancer says: It is my goal to have this site catalog every occurrence of the vampire throughout history.

They're all metaphors and imagesinwords is right we're all vampires in a way.We are made of flesh and blood and we all need energy no matter how we get it.

imagesinwords your answer is not the final word about the subject, it's your opinion... and it's welcome, just like the others... and to prove you that you are not reading carefully my posts , read your last post question:
What's the purpose of this site?

completely wrong, my last question, in my last post was:
but I don't understand were you people wants to get it, by thinking that way.
What is the purpose? this site?

I was asking if the purpose of thinking that way is this site, and not the purpose of the site... isn't that right?

and if you think that vampires aren't mentioned in the bible, that's alright... billions of people do not believe in the existence of vampires... and that do not change the facts... I don't understand why you get bothered with this... I am not trying to foist anything on anybody...

Anyone could if they wanted to find vampires in any book. Someone wanting to see vampires in the Bible will find them.

I am sure people in Biblical times may have had a word that meant vampire or bloodsucker. That is neither here or there. I have not found that word in the Bible.

right... but, and vampires do not defy the laws of physics?

I'm starting to believe that almost every one in VR do not believe in the existence of supernatural vampires... those who can move way much faster then us, that can induct thought's and have other supernatural abilities, that we don't...

well i certainly dont, but i cant speak for everyone else about the supernatural vamps.

and forgive me, but the church do not rule over the bible... and if vampires are mentioned or not in the bible, is just a subject that I came up to... but for sure I can prove to you and anyone else, that the catholic church is not a church from God... and does not speak through the word of God... and for the record, I do not belong to any church at all... I don't believe in religion... because, it's like everyone says, religion is made by man's... but the bible, was inspired by God, written by man's but inspired by God... and the 'flaws' come from there... but the meaning, anyone can understand... it's simple...

This thread is neither about whether the bible is historically accurate, nor the politics surrounding its inception and evolution.

Please keep to the topic, which is whether vampires are represented in the bible.

I have removed those posts which were very far off-topic.

Thank you.

hmm okay but the i still believe the historical realevance of the book has a lot to do with whether there are vampires in it or not....

if they are in it, but the book cant be trusted where does that leave us....?

if they are missing from the bible but the book can be trusted then where are we at..? see my point.?

you are right wen you say that sin and hell are used by man's as a control tool... wretches who are let control therefore... but, I am a follower of Jesus teachings, and a new-born christian... baptized in the Holy-Ghost and transformed by the power of God... and no, I do not believe in supernatural vampires, I know that they exist... it's not a belief anymore to me, it is a fact...

MalkavianMime,

No, I don't.

Vampires are either mantioned, identified or whatever, or they are not.

The thread starter supposed that they were and provided the 'eveidence' to support his case.

Subsequent posters, myself included, have disputed this and given our reasons why.

Stating that the bible is 'just a work of fiction', is hardly relevant.

Nor is dicussing the politics of the Christian Church, which is a borderline topic for allowance on this forum in any case.

If you want to analyse the cultural background of the Bible's creation, that's fine, but stay away from derogatory remarks regarding it.

Thank you.

I never said my word was the final word. I am giving my opinion like everyone else.

I DO NOT believe in supernatural vampires- but I like watching them on the silver screeen.

Let me also tell you this- there are rules being broken in this thread now:

Posts that ridicule the philosophical tenants of any religion.

You need to really ingest that. There are plenty of Christians on this site (like me). And I have equally closed threads that have offended people of other religions.

malakh, You said: that the catholic church is not a church from God... and does not speak through the word of God. I am not Roman Catholic- but I know people who are will find that beyond offensive.

okay but that makes no sence to me, just saying they are inor not doesnt have any merit, its like saying they are or not mentioned in the dictionary, whats that point of that....?

and btw i ridicule all religions equally, i dont just pick on christians..

this could go on forever. people wil debate this untill they are dead

MalkavianMime you can ridicule them all you want- but not in this forum. If you want to argue about Cancer's rules you can find yourself suspended from the forum.

Actually, I believe that vampires are specifically mentioned in the Dictionary.

The link 'What is a Vampire?', contains the entry from Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, 1913 Edition.

Point being, it is there and clear and states what the writers believe about them, which are the generally accepted popular concepts.

The Bible has no such clear-cut defnition/description.

This thread has been automatically closed for length.