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TravelingEnigma
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Is there any truth to the study and practice to alchemy. Please post with some information on the subject




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La6Muerte66
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If you mean the alchemy that was the precursor to metallurgy, where the main goal was to convert base metals into gold, then no, there is no plausibility in it.

However, there are other types of alchemy that will always be applicable.



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TravelingEnigma
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I was wondering more about the possible not the impossible methods of alchemy



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Link

This is a link to a site that I found after typing in modern alchemy... it's something to start with.


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platinumwitch
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No,La6Muerte66, he means alchemy as the precursor of chemistry. Alchemists discovered many beginning principles and common compounds of modern chemistry while clouding it in magickal code.



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Whispersinthewind
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Which form are we discussing here, physical or spiritual alchemy?



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Whispersinthewind
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The only alchemy I know is spiritual alchemy, which teaches how to transmutate your spirit into something higher...An ascended master.

The alchemy of the physical was an allegorical teaching from changing base metals into gold giving the individual example knowledge on how to manifest the soul to a higher level.

The signs, symbols, metals, and whathaveyou that are related to the alchemical teachings, are there for learning purposes. As each symbol represents a quality, or element surrounding the aspects of the soul.

This is the base form of true alchemy.



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This seems loaded with information.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alchemy

Dont forget to check out the 'See also' section. Loads of ideas to reed about.



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http://www.prs.org/gallery-alch.htm

http://chemistry.about.com/od/alchemicalsymbols/Alchemical_Symbols_of_the_Elements.htm

http://www.levity.com/alchemy/islam01.html

The question is what are you trying to achieve? General transmutation of something? Or do you just want to play god? Either are fun, and acceptable.



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TravelingEnigma
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06:40:02 Jan 06 2008
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Any form of alchemy is fine to post here . it is not a subject that I know much about



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In my opinnion, the most worthy/usefull thing to attend to first is the creation of the Elixir of Life, since that one sounds most amasing! and it would enable the needed time to play with all the other unlimited conbinations wich the idea of alchemy has to offer.



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TravelingEnigma
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To answere your question right now i just want to learn befor i start to practice .



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fhpunk
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i use to study up on alchemy but i haven't done so in a few years now. thanks for bringing this up and thanks to all who have lent there knowledge on the subject. i'm going to get studying on this again.



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Whispersinthewind
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I have been a practitioner of true alchemy since I was about 5 years of age, any specifics you need to know?



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TravelingEnigma
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anything you could tell me would be great soulshroud . It has been an interest of mine for a while but i have been unable to find any information to its practicle application



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I have a question Soulshroude.

What requisites are necessery for the practice and experimentation with alchemy?



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Whispersinthewind
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There are no set requirements. Just the use of pen, paper, or typing skills...Reading and writing knowledge, and understanding for the arcane.

There is no set place to start, but if you are going for transmutations...Transmutations are creations set from the diagram of the mind to the physical. Always go for a amathyst maltese cross. This is the easiest beginning.

As for learning the symbols, the links Infernal provided may shed a bit of light for that part of the process.

Attaining the elixir of life should be the last thing on your list to achieve. As the philosophers stone is needed for such a task.

Medition is a very big issue with alchemy, as concentration is one of the main conduits when performing any sort of transmutation...Whether it be physical such as the maltese cross, or spiritual, gaining a higher self awareness.



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"There are no set requirements. Just the use of pen, paper, or typing skills...Reading and writing knowledge, and understanding for the arcane.

There is no set place to start, but if you are going for transmutations...Transmutations are creations set from the diagram of the mind to the physical. Always go for a amathyst maltese cross. This is the easiest beginning."


Wait Wait, so as I get it, or not, you are saying that alchemy should be perfomed with ones inner spiritual being, maybe concetrating on few material sources meant as media, as some sort of chanell?



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Whispersinthewind
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Half correct, the spirtual side is perfect, but do not depend on media. The typing skills I was refering to was to do some research on the meanings of some or all of the alchemical symbols...As they are allegories for the souls in all aspects as I have stated before.

Each is a tool...Learn to use them all, and you will find a greater advantage when dealing with alchemy.

Its not just transmutation, it is also for learning the unknown. As there is no greater path than that of alchemy, as it combines all magiks into a single category if used in the proper ways.



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Well, could we not say than, that I am the latest alchemy, for every solution idea lies in my mind, and for, should pay attention to the spiritual side of alchemy, use it, learn it, and with that elevate in my being, so I can recognise this higher level of awareness wich I actually am, wich actually does not uses the alchemy just as a use, but it is the alchemy it self?

Is than not actually equal to a meditation technique?



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Whispersinthewind
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That is a very formitable meditation technique, but to attain that higher level of awareness may take years. You cannot simply state that you are at that higher level and just feel it.

The voilet flame is another big issue when using alchemy. As this flame grows, so does your awareness.



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Ow, no, I never stated that regarding my self, but was speaking figuratively.

But thank you Soulshroude for your pointers, they are very useful ;)



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Quick addedendum to the point while im able to make it.

So many have walked down the path of transformations, with meditations like that, and have considered the spiritual alchemy as taught by Crowley to have those words as all they need.

But you must do the practice, to fully be able to understand the power innate in those words.

You might have the potential to be a godforce. But without the sciences of application to learn how to apply your energies, you are nothing more then energy inhabiting a vessel like the rest of us.

To walk the walk, takes more then just an afirmation of talking about walking.



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Whispersinthewind
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Love that post Infernal...Stand by your convictions. As for Crowley, I neither respect him, nor his teachings. I study under one name alone. The wanderman of Europe. St. Germaine.



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Alchemy is one of the Hermetic arts and is based on the idea that divine order was placed on the universe with ‘prima materia’ or first matter. Everything is made of this matter, which is, in essence, the Philosopher’s Stone.Said to exist everywhere, if the ‘stone’ can be manufactured, then one thing can be transmuted into something more perfect, gold being the usual end product as it is perfect and most closely echoes the perfection of God.The name alchemy comes from the Arab’s name for Egypt, ‘Khem,’ a country that took gold-working to great heights. The precursor of chemistry - most chemistry equipment was devised by alchemists such notables as Albrecht, Roger Bacon and Isaac Newton were known to be alchemists.
I feel there must be truth to it.



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Alchemy is as has been previously stated the ancient beginnings of modern chemistry with magick added to it. Great links up there also. Thanks for posting them.



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TravelingEnigma
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Thank you all very much I wil start working with that today . Are there any tips to safety that i should be aware of



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Alchemy is just another form of overall science. There may be some aspects that are not possible (turning something into gold) yet, like all sciences, many things that we may think aren't possible in fact are. There are ways of doing anything if the mind is willing to believe and search for the path to make it so.



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Interesting thing is that modern science can turn one element into another. Nuclear science allows for the changing the atomic structure of an atom. Adding protons and neutrons to create new elements. The very heavy elements were artificially created as scientific experiments. The elements are unstable and don't last very long. I don't know if anyone tried to turn lead into gold in a particle excelerator, but it probably can be done. It's just not worth the cost.

The issue alchemists had years ago was that they were dealing at a chemical level, changing states of matter and creating new compounds or molecules, but they didn't understand the atom and how the elements were different at an atomic level.

As far as spiritual alchemy, that is a much more interesting area.



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if your interested in alchemy, theres a website called levity, im sorry i dont know the exact addy but i know thats the site name. they have a large collection of alshemical texts and artworks and also ofer courses etc.
hope that helped



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ShadowKnight5107
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this is all great information but in physical alchemy is possible it trasmute one thing into another and if so is equivalent exchange truely important



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ShadowKnight5107
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this is all great information but in physical alchemy is possible it trasmute one thing into another and if so is equivalent exchange truely important



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TravelingEnigma
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*bump*



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Try reading some works by Valmage, such as A Treatise Upon Transmutation.



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Whispersinthewind
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In reference to the treatise, here is another form of alchemy.

Be warned, it is a pdf and does require reading.

Sexual Alchemy



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I used to wear these crystal rings and as long as i had them on my fingers,.. they would turn into diamonds...true story..
they were zirconians most of them..



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TravelingEnigma
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wow that was weird reading soul



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Whispersinthewind
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The alchemies are always odd readings. This is what makes the art so hard to understand. If you grasp the concept, then you at least have your foot through the door.



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:)



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TravelingEnigma
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So far I have found most of the reading fairly easy to understand thank you again



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Whispersinthewind
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I am not trying to sound condescending by any means, just giving advice to those of whom do not really understand certain concepts or methods of practice.



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TravelingEnigma
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Your nt sounding like that to me at all . I thank you for all the great imput.



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I'm not really familiar with it but here looks like a great website that has loads of information to study and practice it in various languages too Alchemy



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thanks for the link Polishsiren i enjoyed it vvery imformative



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Most info that I'd tell you has already been said already but here are some other sites that might help you:

Alchemylab.com

Sacred-Texts.com

Another Site

Also check out your local area for classes on chemistry and geometry as they may help you depending on what angle of Alchemy you wish to peruse study in. If you move past the pop culture hype Alchemy was simple and honest attempts at understanding and manipulating the natural world. As others have pointed out, it was the precursor to modern chemistry with a blend of mysticism.



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TravelingEnigma
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i thank everyone for the information it has helped alot



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