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Angelic Magick

the practice of performing magick by using the energies and or powers of angels,this would include even lucifer and the power and energy he held when an angel,also enochian magick would fit firmly in this catagory.

what i am wondering is

(1) who believes or disbilieves in Angelic Magick and why so?

(2) who here practices Angelic Magick and how do you practice it?

(3) if you practiced any form of angelic magick,with what angel energy or power did you connect with and what personal experiences do you believe you have experienced when doing so?.

(4) if you have any information to share on this topic or an insight about Angelic Magick and it's practices feel free to comment,all oppinions are welcome.



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some information with the link which should have been added to the original post.



The Dee Diaries

The systems of magick now known as Enochian magick derive from the work of the Elizabethan scholar Dr. John Dee and seer Edward Kelly. Dee had a passion for discovering lost knowledge and spiritual truths; in particular he wanted to recover the wisdom he believed to be in the lost books of earlier times. Among these was the then-fabled Book of Enoch, which he apparently conceived as being a book describing the magick system used by that patriarch. Having come to the conclusion that worldly efforts would not lead to the wisdom he desired, he decided to apply himself to contacting divine sources. During the years from 1581 to 1585, Dee performed a long series of magickal operations to that intent. Kelly joined him in March of 1582, and was his sole assistant during the remainder of the work.

The method employed for these works was fairly standard for the time. Dee would act as the orator, directing fervent prayers to God and the archangels for 15 minutes to an hour. Then a scrying stone would be placed on a prepared table, and the angels were called to manifest a visible appearance therein. Kelly would watch the stone and report everything he saw and heard; Dee would sit at another table nearby and record everything that occurred.

Dee made multiple copies of these records. A portion of them, concerning the Angelic Calls, Tablets and Liber Scientiae, were acquired with Dee’s library by Robert Cotton. This part was published in Casaubon’s A True and Faithful Relation. The earlier portions concerning the Heptarchy and Liber Loagaeth came to light by a more roundabout means.

In later years, Dee apparently decided to conceal his magickal records in a hidden compartment of a large cedar chest he possessed. After his death the chest was purchased from his estate and passed through several owners. The hidden documents were not discovered until around 1662, and found their way into the hands of Elias Ashmole in 1672. Mr. Ashmole’s collection passed eventually to the British Library.

According to Ashmole, about half of the hidden records were mistakenly destroyed by the discoverer’s maid before efforts were made to preserve the rest. Despite this, the records for the 1581-1585 operations appear almost entirely intact.

The record of these operations is very detailed; so much so that it takes careful study to separate the spiritual "wheat" from the chaff. Much of the communication was important within the context of the operations, but has no direct bearing on the systems of magick being presented. Of the rest, there are long periods of communications that, in retrospect, seem to have no purpose but to hold the magicians’ attention on continuing the operations. During these periods the angels would present colorful visions, portentous prophesies, and angelic gossip, but very little in the way of solid information. Additionally, the reader must deal with side-excursions into apocalyptic religion, politics, Dee and Kelly’s personal problems, and various irrelevant queries that Dee insisted on inserting into the work.

Chronologically, Dee and Kelly’s work divides into three highly productive periods separated by months in which nothing of particular value was received. The material received in each period generally stands on its own, and is only loosely related to that in the other periods. In the strictest interpretation, only the material from the third period qualifies as "Enochian", but the term is often applied to all of the work.

Period one: The Heptarchia Mystica

The first system of magick given to Dee was the Heptarchia Mystica. This is a self-contained and moderately complex planetary magick, similar in style (but not in content) to various "Solomonic" grimoires of the day. The record of its presentation can be found in Dee’s Mysteriorum Libri Quinti; a working grimoire, composed of Dee’s extracts from that record, is known as De Heptarchia Mystica.

The presentation of this magick was remarkably sequential and orderly, compared to later parts of the work. The necessary physical equipment was described in detail, followed by an angelic hierarchy of 49 "Good Angels", and further information concerning the Kings and Princes of the hierarchy, and their ministers. The major part of the information was given during 1582; significant corrections to the design of the equipment were given in the spring of the following year, after an hiatus in the work and the presentation of Liber Loagaeth.

Equipment

Ring, Lamen, and Holy Table

The angels claimed that the ring they designed for Dee was the same one that Solomon used to control demons. It had a plain band, to which was attached a rectangular plate. The letters PELE (Latin for "he will work wonders") were inscribed in the four corners. In the center was a circle with a horizontal line through it, with the letter "V" above and the letter "L" below.

Two different lamens were given to Dee. The first of these bears a generic resemblance to various goetic sigils, being an assortment of free-form lines and oddly placed letters. The being giving it instructed that it was to be made in gold and worn in all times and places for purpose of protection.

The following year, Dee and Kelly were told that this was a false lamen given by an "illuding spirit". They were given a 12-by-7 table formed from the names of the Heptarchic Kings and Princes; the new lamen consisted entirely of letters taken from this table and arranged in rectilinear patterns. Unlike the first lamen, the purpose of the second was solely to "dignify" the magician, to show his worthiness to perform the Heptarchic magick.

The Holy Table or Table of Covenant was the centerpiece of the Heptarchic magick. Its purpose was to be an "instrument of conciliation"; that is, the means by which the powers it symbolizes are brought together with the magician. As with the lamen, the initial version of the table was later said to be incorrect, and a new design provided.

The table was to be two cubits square (roughly 34 to 44 inches) and two cubits high. The legs ended in or rested upon hollow containers, under which small copies of the Sigil of Ameth (see below) were placed. It had a one-inch border, in which certain letters were drawn, 21 to a side. Inside the border a Star of David was drawn, and in the center of the star a 6-inch square divided into a 3-by-4 grid, containing more letters. On top of the table were placed seven planetary talismans, called the "Ensigns of Creation" (see below). In the center, a large version of the Sigil of Ameth. When in use, the table, Sigil, and talismans were to be covered with a red silk cloth. The scrying-stone was then placed on top of the cloth, directly over the Sigil.

The letters around the edge of the table, and in the central grid, are taken from the same 12-by-7 table used to form the lamen. They are intended to "dignify" the table -- to consecrate it to the Heptarchic work -- in the same way the lamen dignifies the magician. There is no indication in the record that they were intended to be words conveying meaning, as Gerald Schueler has alleged.

Many magicians have assumed that the Holy Table is also necessary to operations involving the Calls and Tablets given to Dee and Kelly in 1584. It is true that they made use of the table for operations that obtained that material. However, the table is clearly designed specifically for use with the Heptarchic powers; it seems unlikely that it would be suitable for the quasi-elemental nature of the Tablet powers.

The Sigil of Ameth

The Sigil of Ameth or Sigillum Dei is a large wax disk, on which are inscribed various names of God and angels, within a design of heptagons and heptagrams. This sigil was to be placed in the center of the Holy Table, underneath the scrying-stone. Smaller versions were to be placed underneath the cup-like ends of the table’s legs, apparently to insulate the table from earthly influences.

The Sigil is the only part of Dee’s work that has a direct correspondence in earlier magickal systems; versions appear in Liber Juratis and in Eodipus Aegypticus, among other tomes. Dee was initially instructed to copy the sigil from a book in his library, but found conflicting versions and could not decide between them. When he questioned the angels, they proceeded to give him the design for a new, more detailed version.

While most of the names on the Sigil are not immediately recognizable, nearly all of them are derived from two sets of familiar angelic names. The first set are the angels Agrippa lists as the "seven which stand in the presence of God". The god-names outside the hexagram in the Sigil are formed by transposition of the letters of these names, following an elaborate but consistent method. The second set are the planetary Archangels, whose names are shown at the center of the Sigil. These are used to form the four groups of seven angelic names within the hexagram, called the "Sons of Light", "Daughters of Light", "Sons of the Sons", and "Daughters of the Daughters". It is interesting to note that the derived names were given first, and only afterwards was the means of derivation shown. (For additional details on the formation of the Sigil, follow the hyperlink above.)

The Ensigns of Creation

Immediately following the presentation of the Sigil of Ameth, the angels provided seven complex talismans called the "Ensigns of Creation". These were to be engraved on plates of purified tin, and arrayed on the surface of the holy table; either in a continuous ring around the Sigil of Ameth, or in a row directly in front of the magician. As an alternative to the plates, the angels allowed that they could be painted directly on the table. During the Spring, 1583 corrections, the angels specified that the letters on the ensigns were to be converted into the angelic alphabet, but this was apparently never done.



http://www.hermetic.com/browe-archive/enochian.htm


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I dont disbelieve it but i dont know how much i believe it either. i dont practice it nor do i know anyone who does. but i have seen someone who uses angel tarot cards and i had an angel reading done, it was not unlike a regular tarot reading.



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I've never even heard of it, so I can't say if I believe or disbelieve, but I think its definitely something to look into.



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I beleive in it as angels are spiritual creaures and can transmit it if needed to enhance or help the spell, it is also pur, ether pur for goodness or pur for evilness, so yes I do beleive in it.



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I don't know much here, but I have gotten desired results with angles went I asked my angle(s) to got to whoever's angle I am tring to get the result from.
If a child is crying, uncontrolably, I ask my angle to go to the angle of the child to quiet them. It works.
If I want healing for someone I'll ask my angle to ask the persons angle to heal them.
I don't know about the hierarchy of angle but I do ask my angles to interseed and i bet this technique could work on any angle. -this is my experience, my theory



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that is true, your guardian angels can and will do things like that for you. i dont know if that is exactly what the original post was talking about though.



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Never heard of it myself. If it does help one person cope though, I'm all for it.



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Well I do not believe in it because I do not believe in god or the devil.



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I wouldn't call it angelic magiks, more like invocations. Since the archangels are the easiest to invoke for certain funtions and help.

Not like that of catholic saints, these are actuall deities. Spiritual Alchemy has a bit of the same practices at the higher levels. Such as calling a circle of protection from Lord Michael.

We in my world do not call them angels, more of messengers, scribes, bringers and takers. They are as we are, save for being in the ethereal and having a wider range of energy.

I practice this type of "magik" on a regular basis. Though I do use it in the form of Alchemy.

The glyphs that are described in your second post are angelic text. Someone has put forth alot of hard work to aquire the means. There is more to the kingdom of what you would call your "heaven" then meets the eye. The movie "Prophesy" was not completely off the mark.

Seven angels, seven daemons, the key of Solomon, are all connected. As well as the Enochian deities, the Akashic bands, so forth and so on. Just another world of study if you wish to look deeper into it.



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I have had my butt saved by angels so i cant say i dont believe in them i just dont believe in mere mortal practicing in thier powers i doubt we can manage what THEY do



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I have never heard of it and am not sure if I believe as I am unsure where my faith lies.



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I believe in angels, but have never heard of angelic magik before. I'll be keeping an eye on this forum to find out more!



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hmmmm I am interested in hearing more about this. I have never heard of this before, but don't doubt that it could be true.



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Use of Angelic Magick implies a belief in angels and faith in Jehovah, the God of Abraham. I believe if the magickan has faith in these divine spirits, and follows the directions, of which there are many, that their magick will work. However the system obtained by Dee is rather ancient and outdated. There are contemporary systems of magick which do not require belief in any diety or spirits to be of effect.



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I disagree with the implications of believing in Jehovah/Adonay. Angels are angels regardless your belief system.

Any religion you believe in is a faith set, the realm of the angelic presents is there whether you have faith in any religion or not.

From Catholicism to Christianity...Neither are guidelines for Angelic Magiks. Though Catholicism runs rampant with Saint Magik. But this is unfortunatly not the case here.



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i think all of dees angels where demons.they fooled him into thinking they where angels.black bess regarded him very highly.
he had a mirror made of obsidian which is in the british museums secret vault and can only be viewd by appointment and a referance.
angels can move instantaneusly and also through time.your guardian angel will do alot for you,including delivering messages and praying for you and warning you of danger.



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There is some very good information here, but I can only answer the first question. I don't believe in for the simple reason I don't believe in angels.



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i believe that in working with angelic magick,one does not have to believe have faith in god,but have faith in the angelic form that you are trying to connect with in order for you to receive some kind of angelic power/energy.
i also believe that there are certian objects that could help in connecting ones self to an angelic being such as stones/crystals,charms etc.



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wow I have not ever heard of this before and thank you for the links they are useful



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I find this topic quite interesting, though not something I've put any thought into before. I suppose that Angelic Magick is possible. Given that you can ask your guardian angels for assistance and they help, why couldn't you ask for help from other angels by means of a magickal rite or ritual.



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(1) who believes or disbilieves in Angelic Magick and why so?

I personally believe very strongly in it, my reasons being many and diverse.

(2) who here practices Angelic Magick and how do you practice it?

I practice angelic magik, mainly by calling upon the four archangels as guardians.

(3) if you practiced any form of angelic magick,with what angel energy or power did you connect with and what personal experiences do you believe you have experienced when doing so?.

I generally connect with St. Mikhael and St. Uriel, and have experienced many, many things doing this.

(4) if you have any information to share on this topic or an insight about Angelic Magick and it's practices feel free to comment,all oppinions are welcome.

If anyone is interested in angelic magik, I invite them to message me and I will share what I know.



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Thanks for the interesting info. If you want some help w/angels check out Doreen Virtue . She deals w/them alot. www.angeltherapy.com



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It seems very interesting, and I would think that their energies are closer to gain from since they are around people as protetcors and guardians as other members have already stated so it doesn't seem that this type of magik is new or differant just updated to current methods than from when Dee was practicing it.



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this is an intersting concept I have not ever heard of magick being done like this yet I do thank you for the link and info :)



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Interesting link. Brings to mind a prayer I learned as a child, we would say it as a rhyme:

Angel of god
my guardian dear
to whom god's love commits me here
ever this day be at my side
to light and guard
to rule and guide
amen

Is that really engaging in angelic magick for protection?



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nope, i have my protectors, but would hardly call them angels.



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it is quite an old practice which many tend to look past but i do feel it does have it's place in the magickal practices that are used today,be it spells to conjure or a sacred invocational right that is performed.



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