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Vampyres Seem to Deny Their Predatory Nature
By Rev. JP Vanir
http://www.templeuvup.com


"Vampyres are not of this world; we are only in these human shells therefore stuck in it. We should not limit ourselves in what we are and how to survive. Too many of our kind only chose to feed certain ways which limits them and we should never limit ourselves. Modern Vampyres seem to deny there original primal nature of Bloodlust and stick to psychic Life force for their only source and mislabeling blood drinking as cannibalism; when we are fully human but something else. We do not eat flesh not kill anyone innocent.
Vampyre donors want to give us there blood and that is there choice and no one else needs to bother with what they know nothing about. Mankind is run by Christian nature with its fear of embracing its needs and covering the truth with lies of a fascist male god who could not possibly create everything when a woman is needed for that. Blood is life for it contains the essence, a part of the person you get it from and, fills you with life force.
We never want to forget what we are and what we need although Psi energy can feel you up but the original life force is contained in the blood for direct and tasty results. I suppose most of them are trying to keep us all safe from Blood born illnesses but there are many ways to avoid such things and most keep long term close donors to do this. Besides being what we are these are not things we should worry about and we have the ability to know the food that would harm us being that it is our nature...."


What do you think of this? Do you see blood taking as cannibilism? I am just wondering because this article really reminded me it's ok to be a preditor as long as I do not kill for my blood, but get it from my donor.

A cannabil is one who actually eats the flesh of another when you just take the blood you are a blood drinker not unless the vampire becomes half zombie then no.

I don't know that getting blood from a donor is predatory. Predators by nature hunt and kill their prey. I used to think it was more parasitic but now I tend to think that it isn't even that. No one is really harmed and no one really NEEDS the blood to survive. So it's a relationship but mostly just one of emotional or psychological needs and benefits.

I dont consider it cannibalism.
Are you eating human flesh? No
You have a willing donor that wants to share their energy with you.
As long as you arent commiting any crimes to get what you need, you do what you need to.

Maybe I did word the "predator" thing wrong. I don't kill for my blood, though some days it is tempting, I must admit. Sanity keeps me from acting out on that though.

I have several issues with this piece.

The first being the assertion that as a 'vampyre', he and others associated with his ideals, are not human and subsequently, are not liable to be bound by the same moral codes.

The next is his sweeping generalisation that all modern vampires mislabel blood drinking as cannibalism. I would challenge that assertion with statements from widely recognised organised groups, who strive to make the clear distinction between cannibalism and 'sanguinarianism'.

There have been recent pushes to allow a legal get-out clause within the vampire community, which might be misrepresented, where it is proposed that blood drinking is not an essential element of modern living vampires.

This and other works of this person clearly push an anti-Christian rhetoric, which does not examine the foundations for his opinions.

Further, leading on from the 'not human' insinuation, he proposes that 'vampyres' are capable of distinguishing contaminated blood using nothing but intuition. Dangerous in the extreme and highly irresponsible.

Finally, just reading the myspace profile says all I need to know;

"...I DO WEDDINGS…"

I definitely do not think its cannibalism as others have posted that is eating of the flesh. Without all the romanticism of today I do believe the original idea of a vampire was predatory. However consensual sharing of blood is not being predatory at all a predator is one that hunts others for food.

So if I may ask stabb now that you are on to this post of sorts......I already know that vampires do not eat the flesh but I have a question.

If a vampire was thirsty enough would he still at least suck on the skin because of the dried up blood still being on there if there was no lively beings around for him/her to hunt on and get blood???

Oh and the question was meant for stabb666 because I know he can give a really good answer for a fact.

wolfkiller,

That would depend on how far a person is willing to debase themselves. lol

But seriously, consider that drinking blood goes beyond a physical act, that there is a deep psychological aspect to it, where recognition of the ritualistic method draws a certain concept to the mind.

And on a fundamental energetic level, it has been proposed that during the 'feeding', a vampire takes energy from the other simultaneously, working with the imagery and emotional responses brought about by the act itself to enable a directed transfer.

Combine the ritual, the mindset, the emotional response and the energy interaction into one singular moment of penetration into the other, and it becomes more than just blood spilling, being drunk. It's now a whole idea, a set of mental, physical and emotional reactions.

Taking all of these factors into consideration, it would be useless to 'feed' on dead blood, or meat, since the living host is a part of what gives it such power and allure.

I see stabb666 thank you I was just wondering so before I go off to make sure the spilling of blood is not enough because when they feed.....the blood all so draws in the persons emotions and mentality so........wouldn't that therefore make a sang a psy vampire if they do it to feed on the tri energy system when feeding because a psy feeds off just energy and according to you they are feeding off the energy more so.

So that would mean there is no sang vampire then right???

wolfkiller,

In essence, there is no basic need to separate 'types' of vampire, in my current understanding. The process is largely the same for each, the results, the same and the moral implications too.

The only differences are in methodology and belief systems, which can be as individual as one's own faith in God.

And yes, the donor's (or victim's), mental state also plays a part, since varying emotions can carry varying reactions. It would be different to feed from a person who is aware of the act, than it would from someone unaware.

cannibalism is killing the person and eating the flesh. So if u are just drinking the blood there is not case of cannibalism

Stabb666,

Sorry about the earlier messy writing just in a hurry but now I thank thee for your answers as they help my understanding.

All so thank you for your time and sorry about my extreme past measuresthat lead to our disagreements I was not as knowlegdeable then as now.

I hope you had a good memorial day and thanks again....have a wonderful day sire.

It does not fit the definition of cannibalism, no.

thank god i know and have mastered several ways of feeding and i can use all of them quit well and i will never give up the joy of the hunt for anything.

I knew what canniblism was and the difference between whats been said through others but Stabb is always good at hitting the noise right on the button. Thanks for more clarification on this Stabb. Like the old saying goes, Everyone learns something new everyday and what one doesn't know then someone else will.

He in no way is saying that vampires can tell the difference between contaminated and uncontaminated blood. Only that they are taking the same precautions as you would say if you were going to sleep with someone. That's what he means by having long term donors.

Please, be respectful. This is my High Priest and as such should be respected the same as other High Priests and clergy whether you agree with him or not.

Thank you,
Rev. Ravyn

ravyn77,

Perhaps you can clarify the following statement for me then.

"Blood born illnesses but there are many ways to avoid such things and most keep long term close donors to do this. Besides being what we are these are not things we should worry about and we have the ability to know the food that would harm us being that it is our nature...."


Also, can you help by providing some information on where your high priest was ordained- into which religious order is that? I think I missed it, there were so many titles.

Perhaps your high priest might be willing to come on VR and debate his position with me?

Stabb is making a whole hell of a lot of sense to me. I wouldn't mind grabbing a bag of popcorn and watching them discuss that issue personally ::smiles::

I can only say that the phrase....I do weddings says it all really.

Yes that would be an interesting debate to see.

No it's not cannibalism. While reading the post, it kept giving me the feeling that this High Priest is REALLY trying to push blood drinking instead of psy feeding. Is he perhaps trying to recruit more donors for himself?

ravyn77,

Remember when you put things on an open forum you leave it open for opinion positive or negative. You have to have a thick skin if you may have to defend your belief system. If you put it up, maybe you can elaborate seeing you are a Rev as well.....

ravyn777- We are all Predatory creatures. Vampire or Not. I am not ashamed of my Predatory Nature. I embrace it fully. I am not a Vampire. I am a Carnivore. Should I ever need to eat human flesh and drink thier blood inorder to sustain myown life, I have no quams or second thoughts about it. I am as I am. Vampires are predatory by nature. Yes you may get your blood fom a donor. But how did you find that donor. Instinct leads predators of all shapes and sizes. Even man.

yes my thought on this is how is blood the first thing fed upon if vampyres are only in a shell of a human meaning they are possibly more spiritual beings and truly bodiless meaning psychic energy would be the best way to feed or emotionally.
I agree why limit your food supply because eventually it will run dry.Feeding from the multiple sources on tap would be the best means of survival. and I dont think it is so much demeaning the nature with in but more a forgotten ability to how to.Evolution in other species show that as time progresses things are forgotten down the genetic coding a frog as a tadpole lives under the water as it matures into a frog it forgets how and loses the ability to live strictly under water.

I do not see blood drinking as cannibalism but I see flesh eating and not killing before u eat the flesh or person is cannibalism Predatory you have to be very carefull in this day and age of what u feed from or who ur donors are

i think its cannibalism, but society as a whole has changed so much.the human population has evolved into better thinking and more intelligent people

i don't think that drinking blood classifies as canibalism. i think you need to actually consume human flesh for that title.

Not cannibalism, but seems there is a predatory aspect even with consent.

At what point are we our brother's, or more pointedly --- our sister's keeper?

In what manner?

Not sure you're referring to my response Darktraveler, but I'll try to clarify --- still working out what bothers me about the vampiric blood "exchange."

Felix's and Stabb's comments riveted me --- the former because it approaches the moral question, and the latter because it made me want to sign up (as some vampire literature does) on the spot.

Specifically, Felix said, “No one is really harmed . . . it's a relationship but mostly just one of emotional or psychological needs and benefits.”

I’m not sure that no one is harmed. One might say that a sadist and a masochist are a perfect pairing, that each is getting what they want out of the relationship. But I see the roles as limiting, and wish they’d get therapy.

Stabb’s “one singular moment of penetration,” puts the sexual gloss on the relationship, trying to make it more than just the blood and into the consummate loss of one being into another: the transcendent vampiric swoon.

In real life, I see these relationships acted out in the most mundane (but still demeaning) fashion. It boils down to control, usually of the male over the female (I’ve observed it in the other direction), and it irks the hell out of me.

I always want to set the controlled person free, cause it just doesn’t seem right to me.

Hmm interesting,because the way I see it,Man is one of the biggest predators on the planet..
"Vamps" arent any worse,and they dont seem to deny it anymore than us "humans "do.

What brought a high preist into this in the first place?

I mean this is talk among those who who are knowlegdeable and for those to learn. If he was a high priest I do not think this wouldn't interest him because religion would scorn what we say and do on her.

I say this because they wouldn't understand and it goes against there close-minded brains wot!

And besides Rev. if you can provide me some info more then what stabb,bloodmother, and felixfelix said then be proud to do so because I want to learn not hear squabbles about a high preist.

And Stabb666 if I may say you know ye are right because if ye had doubts you wouldn't have said the statement to begin with why should another opinion one of which is not even posting matter?

And then to the question I see alot of good responses on here but something is being left out in all this lovely knowledge what would vampires do once humans became exinct from there own eating habits?

Using someone as a donor is fine, but just randomly cutting someone and then drinking from them is very wrong.
So as long as you keep within the law, it's perfectly ok.

You got that right Ludia. There's enough freaks out there much less condone the act of harming anyone. What goes around comes around. Not to mention if they are wrong and the christians are right. They're truely screwed.

Many do this not cause they have too but its the laws and codes that they learn by from of their own and the ones that are tied with of the mortals as well. to be a predator in this new world is to be like that of an animal top of the food chain. They hunt to kill and take what is unwanted. wolfs do this too in packs. Blood is the life you are correct on that point. I don`t like feeding on just pure energy alone. but, with these new dealy illness out its more harder to find a clean pure donor to feed on within behide closed doors. I hate having our predatory rights taken away from us. That is what it has really come down too more or less.

When I read the article by Rev. JP Vanir, I interpreted the article to be directed at vampiric groups who do not favor drinking blood. From what I understood, I think he wanted to present the counter viewpoint to their stance against blood drinking.

I believe that cannibalism and sanguinarianism are two separate concepts. I personally don't see them as interrelated. However, if the meaning of the word cannibalism were broadened to include the consumption of all human biomatter, including human tissue, then drinking human blood might be included in the definition. That might be stretching the meaning of the word, though.

I know that the Temple UVUP has an online forum and webpage that might shed more clarity on the article. They can be found at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TempleUVUP/ if anyone is interested.

I wouldn't consider drinking blood cannibalism. Vampires don't really seem like humans anymore once they're turned. So it's like another species feeding off of humans. If you consided vampires to be canibals then I'd think humans eating a cow would be the same thing...

A vampire is a predator, and it is good that most do not act on that, its being civil and must be done to survive, as per blood safety, one should always screen their donors, vampire or not, the body is still susceptible to disease.

Only thing I got from that article is that vampires should follow their primal predatorial instinct and kill to feed. But are we talking fictional vampires or people that live the life style?

DreamSyn - One does not have to kill inorder to follow thier primal instincts. Control is what seperates us from our animal companions, but too much control and we stop being true to what we are. We become complacent as cattle. Instinct is what we survived on for hundreds of years. It is what really drives us to reach the goals we have, the dreams we hunger for. Mythical or not.

i do not see it as cannibalism nor do i think its wrong to feed off of blood unless you are getting the blood from a person who is not willing

Vampires are not cannibals.

They take an energy source, not the acctual capsel...

They do it for survival, meanwhile a cannibal does it out of phycosis...

Cannibals are phycotic, Vampires are not. (most anyway)

Vampires feed on the blood of the living. Which is mostly human because of the psychic energies and whatnot, and also because it's a large vessel.

This is a form of cannibalism however due to the fact that if someone ate only your finger, and left the rest of your body alone, you'd still call him/her a cannibal, wouldn't you?

Also this brings to light whether or not a person who is a vampire is a human. The definition of cannibalism is one species eating a member of the same species. Ergo if you think that vampires are not human, this is not cannibalism.

HOWEVER

In my opinion, vampires have embraced the tradition of not feeding too often to hide themselves from the general populace.

It is said that those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it and it would seem that the Vampire community knows full well how outnumbered they are in comparison to the rest of the world.

And no one wants the Inquisition to make a comeback.

Well, I would have to agree with STAB. It's all covered. I also have to agree with everyone who said cannibalism is the consuming of flesh.