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sounds like some scientists decided to give childhood a scientific term

:|

If anyone has had to listen to me gripe about my roommates kid... this is it.


Oh....and to answer this:

What Causes Oppositional Defiant Disorder?

A.) A parent that does not understand the concept of an ass whoopin'.

wow thanks, i have learned something new. I honestly think my little sister has this she's 4. She is the worst behaved child i have ever seen, my mom said she was worse then me! I had no idea there was even an ODD hmm...you've gotten my brain ticking thanks Dami =)

OH Gorey...
Honey you dont understand.

Kids like this are defiant to EVERYONE. They want to rule the roost no matter how you try.
They honestly are violent towards their parents to get what they want.

My roomies kid punched a hole in the wall because his mother told him to calm down.

Last weekend he learned how to spackle a wall with duct tape on his mouth.
Apparently he wanted to learn silence and home repair from me at one time.

Pink:

This condition appears in older children. A 4 year old understand the concept of authority. They throw temper tantrums because they get told no just the same.

However ODD children/adults act this way simply because you are an authority figure. Wether you opened your mouth to them or not.

I had two step children with it
They are now 5 years later in institutions to remain there until they are of legal age.
At which point they will most likely end up in jail for the rest of their lives shortly there after.

ODD - Policitally Correct way of saying criminal mind

in my opinion

No matter what was tried they still kept doing things that would get you in trouble.

Sad to see

I've had to deal w. young kids for too long, my mom has a kid and then 2yrs later has another the 4 yr old is a mean evil little child and the 2yr old refuses to talk, all she does is scream...i wonder how im still sane?

As I am doing 100 other things while posting this LOL I didn't get a chance to post my actual response ..

My best friend's daughter in Georgia was just diagnosed with this. While I too tend to agree with most people, this is just another form of ADD, ADHD, and all that other mumbo jumbo, and agree that it's more the case of a parents lack of disciplining the child .. growing up in the 70's and 80's things like this were considered just that. Don't discipline a child and they will take advantage of that, now it's to the point of every other child being given mood altering drugs to control them, because any form of discipline is considered "Child Abuse" ... that's a bunch of BS if you ask me. And I'm not talking about those who truly do go beyond what is necessary and harm a child. There are ways of disciplining a child to make them behave. I was this "child" described within .. but again, when I grew up, there wasn't a name given to it. When I talked out or mis behaved in class, I was sat at my desk at the front of the room and had a piece of tall card board placed around me so that I could not see nor disrupt the class, and could still hear what was being taught. Was this crude? No, maybe then I might have thought so. But I realize now just how unruly I was. I didn't need doctors or teachers to tell my father I was unruly, or to give me medications to control my actions ... I needed a swift kick in the ass, and believe you me, I got it.

my friends kid ... that's all she needs, but will they do it? On occasion they have. But not continually. That is the key, how many parents do you see who will say, ground a child for doing something bad, and then 20 minutes later because the child is whining and the parent doesn't want to hear it, they will then allow the child to do whatever they want.

Damn I talk too much ... >;^}

That "parent not wanting to hear the child whine" is someone i currrently rent a room from.

The daughter is fine and has no problem behaving when asked to and rarely steps out of line.

The son I've actually had abnormal dreams of beating viciously.
(this has frightened me enough to move out here shortly, because if i have to deal with it much longer, i fear i may hurt him... or his slack ass mother).


My mother and father had no problem givin us a swift kick in the ass when we were kids. That house was rulled by "I'm bigger than you and I SAID SO." NOT TO MENTION "mY NAME IS ON THIS MORTGAGE... not yours. I ALLOW you to live here. I ALLOW you to eat this food. Questions? No? GOOD."


I have absolutly no problem knocked the snot out of an unrully child. Even if theyre not mine. If I have to live with the little bastards they damn well better behave.

I quote my own profile when I do this...:


Parents that don't understand the 'I'm bigger than you and I said so' concept while in public places with their children. These people need to be beat themselves. I don't have kids. Come to think of it, I CAN'T have kids... however it seems I have no problem handin' it down to the kids that are around me everyday.
It's the parents that frost my cookies. "I can't discipline my child, they'll call Social Services.."
Wah, wah... :: rolls eyes ::
Hard for a kid to call Social Services when they're paralized from the neck down last time I looked....

ok i agree with Khay that parents nowadays dont understand the concept of childhood.


everyone wants a well behaved model child, but kids are not liek that when growing up. some kids are more hyperactive than others, trust me ive got two at home. that doesnt mean they have ODD or ADD or ADHD....nowdays everyone wants dumb kids or something? i dont get it...they give out prozac and ritilin for the dozen, and what they dont know is that this is affecting kids even in more ways than rather helping them.

im a psychology major, and im currently studying the behavior of children in my human growth and development class.


growing up is a process that includes the variation of hormones, not every kid is the same to other kids...hence...INDIVIDUALITY!...there will be the outgoing and the calm....it is usually when these both are EXTREME and by extreme i mean bouncing off teh walls extreme or sitting in a corner all day and night anti social kind of extreme.....


one thing that bothers me about moderm parents is that they complain about their kids and self diagnosing their kids when they are perfectly healthy and normal....LET THEM LIVE!....they're going to deal with enough when they grow up...childhoood is one of the most treasured memories a child will ever have....dont ruin it by medicating them and making their lives miserable sedating them with tranquilizers and making them bathe on their own drool the entire day...

while i understand that childrean might have this disorder and it is certainly possible...before you go self diagnosing your kid with a disorder, take a look at the facts and go acquire PROFESSIONAL help.

2%-16% kids have this...now out of 100% thats NOT alot...and usually it is a genetics disorder meaning that if your family history contains mental instability and other disorders than MAYBE your kid might have it...ITS NOT ALWAYS THE CASE!

and if for some reason your child has this disorder there is always other alternatives than medicine, like psychotherapy and other natural based treatments with psychology....DONT go straught to the medicine department because most of these medicines will change your kid forever, most of them are not even approved by the health deparment and most of the are given in small dosages from adult medicine which is not good for a child...


be well informed if this is the case concerning you and your child.....

The training for Behavioral Foster Care to deal with children like this is rather intense. The things they have you do to try and train these kids into conforming to the functional world cruel.
Give kids an allowance so that you have something of worth to take away each day.
But dont call it taking away.
Call it they did not earn that today
That philosphy goes all throughout the training. Everything is earned except meals and bed.
Unfortunetly the real world doesnt work that way. They dont issue a check every week for not getting in trouble.
So even if you manage to get them to 18 then what happens?

I personally believe that when a Dr. labels a child, it then gives the child an excuse to act up, or in this case, be horrible. My lil brother has been diagnosed with so much crap, it's not funny. Yeah, he uses every one of them to his advantage and my parents won't lay a finger on him. But, he's good aroun me...*shrugs shoulders* I love him tons.

I agree with Khayman and Gorey... Im sure scientists could write a novel about the teenage phase Ive been experiencing for the past nine years.

In my opinion, Id just say I was being an arse, ilike every other teenager.

We cannot turn our experiences into some scientific jargon.

wow thats really interesting. i never knew that

oops my bad i read wrong...

i agree darkness, where i live a lot of parents are doing this self diagnosis on perfectly healthy children. It really bothers me too, my friend had parents like that...she's on meds now and really i don't think she needs them.

Exactly PinkDust....


if my parents were to self diagnose me, id have every kind of disorder in the planet! we allll have symptoms but its not as serious...

i used to be extrmely hyperactive and mischievous...id do evil things like dennis the menace....i was taken to the psychiatrist when i was younger...the only thing i needed was to socialize and be with kids my own age since i was always surrounded by old people, being the only child of the family at the time.


what parents nowadays dont get is that TELEVISION/VIDEO GAMES/COMPUTERS are not enough....a child needs physical activity...and this is where other complications like obesity and mal nutrition or other disorders come in place....



Technology is a great factor to our lives, and its also affecting them in a great way we never take time to notice. Of course...you give a kid a TV or a computer all day hes going to be entertained, but when he gets bored he needs ACTIVITY...PHYSICAL ACTIVITY...and thats when all that stored energy from all day sitting in a couch or a desk chair comes to play a factor in his "hyperactivity" ...when all the while...hes just being a kid.

punkLust my bad *giggles*

HAHA!! HAHAH!!!!!! FUCK YEA!! this is me.. I have ODD .. that's great, though I am not depressed.. I do have mild ADD though, I rarely get hyper anymore either, nor do I diliberatly try to annoy anyone.. hehe.. but I am sure you are annoyed now *smirks* Well.. that is it, thank you.. thank you.. *bows* kiss my ass.. oh and, this is not a disorder.. it is called being a smart ass, if you do not like it when a kid kicks ur ass, then go cry about it.. *smiles widely* .. love you.. wait no I dont ha..

man...my parents define me as every scientific disorder... scientific disorders are just excuses for stupid things that people cannot explain otherwise... waste of scientist's time to make it look like they are actually doing something to give people things to point at the tv and go "oh my god... I have those exact symptoms! Im diagnosed as blah blah blah!" but things to make people worry... who knows... I dont . stupid labels again

..Ha seems the ADD is kicking in.. and I have become defensive.. oh well someone has to be the voice for us.. I must say, a beating will do nothing, especially to me, you beat me, I spit on you.. you kill me.. well, looks like you just got yourself a criminal record *smirks* beating your kid is no way of getting them to be more obedient.. (yes you are probably thinking, what the hell does this bitch know, she is only 16, she is naive and has no kids..) I have observed all kinds of families all kinds of people and I have learned a lot.. Anyways, back to the ass whoopin topic, if my parents EVER beat me I would wait untill they were asleep and take the metal bat to both their heads.. what a way of being immature, letting a disobedient child frusturate and anger you to the point of violence..ha.. yes.. how very immature. But you wont understand that no.. you will shake your head and say "you have a lot of growing up to do child" That may very well be, but KHAYMAN.... NEVER AGAIN.. okay? If you have kids.. I hope they are good for you, if you dont have kids, I hope you NEVER do, all of you who don't understand these people who talk without caring about the consiquences.. You wouldn't be able to take this generation of outspoken, too damn smart for their own good kids, teens.. Anyhoo, thank you.. I have wanted to say all that for a while.. Oh, yes I must say before I finish this useless response, on the topic of beating kids.. it will only make matters worse.. you could beat me to a bloody pulp and I still wouldn't bend over and kiss anyones ass.. If I don't agree with someone they know it.. Oh I have tons of teacher/student stories.. heh.. but too little time.. I hope that is enough.. I much enjoyed standing up for our kind.. goodnight everyone

oh wait.. that isn't goodnight.. ha.. damn.. I should have read everyones response.. I agree to some extent about discipline, don't spoil your kid or anything but allow them to be who they are. Just because you can't understand someone doesn't mean you have to beat them. I like that word.. "conform" oh wait, no I HATE it.. but damn.. that is what you need to do to live in this world.. I am so determined to live and think the way I want that, if I had to choose between conforming and lying or being homeless, I would choose being homeless.. like I said before I KISS NOBODIES ASS!! haha.. now tis goodnight

nope none of that in my family so far, anyway.

What do you call a bunch of freaks gathered into an orginization each with ODD?

The sabbat

Sorry just have to make lite of a touchy subject

Ask Jeeves: Quick Definitions for 'sabbat' noun: a midnight meeting of witches to practice witchcraft and sorcery


Excuse me, but what does the two have in common, and why do you feel the need to make light of this subject? It is well informed, and seems to be an affliction that has been added along with the others that "children" are now being diganosed. Everyone has an oppinion, jsut as you, but to make light of the subject does not seem in order. The question was asked; have you ever been affected by this disorder or has it affected your life in less severe ways from other people? Have you or do you know anyone with this disorder? So why would you feel the need to make light of peoples opinions?

I think the this thread can help some people here at VR maybe even some of the members that are younger and always say that they hate alot of things. Maybe its not the fact that they do. They may to do it to rebal against what people want them to think. Its another way of helping out some people that sit and wonder as to why my child/myself acts the way they do. Good thread Dami =)

I make light because I have had to deal with it.

Quick search when sabbat is applied to vampires:
Sabbat
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
(Redirected from Sabbat (White Wolf))

The Sabbat are a fictional alliance of vampires, composed of two clans, from White Wolf Game Studio's Vampire: The Masquerade books and role-playing games. Their symbol is an inverted, spiked ankh. The Sabbat headquarters is located in Mexico City, Mexico and much of south-eastern United States cities belong to the Sabbat, except New York, which was retaken by the Camarilla vampires led by Clan Ventrue in 1999. The Sabbat are at war with the Camarilla.

The name is derived from the word Sabbat (a religious holiday).
Contents [showhide]
1 Philosophy
2 Organisation

2.1 Packs
2.2 Ranks
2.3 The Black Hand
3 Clans
4 References
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Philosophy

All Sabbat adhere to a code of conduct called "The Code of Milan", which preaches loyalty to sect and packmates, and to one's own freedom within the sect, as long as one's own good is never placed above the good of the Sabbat itself.

In addition to a very firm "if you're not with us, you're against us"-mentality, the sect considers vampires to be a higher form of life than humanity, and is based upon the principles of Loyalty and Freedom. Loyalty to the sect and to one's comrades is one of the important aspects of the sect, and the Sabbat vampires maintain this loyalty through a ritual called Vaulderie, where strong emotional bonds are created between members of the Sabbat. Freedom is preached in accordance to the Sabbat belief that every vampire is free to create their own destiny without being hindered by the reputations of their elders, and that no Sabbat has to lay down their life for cowards who cannot take care of their own matters. Of course, it does not always work like this in practice.
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Organisation

The Sabbat as a whole is not a very structured sect. Though they lack this structure that can be found in the Camarilla, the Sabbat does not regard generation (potency of vampire blood) as a guideline for promotion. Instead, simply the most capable of vampires fill the positions they are most suitable for.
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Packs

Perhaps the most unique part of the Sabbat structure is the formation of so-called Packs of vampires. Sometimes the formation of these Packs happens on a voluntary basis, while at other times, Pack members are simply appointed. Loyalty to the Pack is ensured by the Vaulderie ritual. Packs usually stick to one place and do not move around much, instead making one location their base of operations. Every Pack has a Ductus - a vampire of higher status and experience who functions as leader - and most Packs have a Priest. Priests lead or oversee the rituals of a Pack. There are some universal rituals within the Sabbat, but Packs usually develop their own, with a wide variety of uses.

another quick search:
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Had two kids with it if you had read the thread. So I think I can make lite of it since I actually HAVE BEEN AFFECTED BY IT.

Thank you very much......

"The old definition for it was rotten brat."
"The cure a trip behind woodshed as needed and about as effective as current methods."

That is directly from the Behaviour Foster Care Training out of Saint Louis Missouri. Forty hours of training on how to deal with kids with this 'disorder'.

Political Correctness is going to far
some kids as well as adults are just shits...

I agree with mslafay a criminal mind indeed

Ok this is what I think. I am 17 years old! I have attempted suicde and have had an on agian off agian problem with self harm! Nothing I am proud of. I am clinicaly diagnosed with bipolar and grew up with a bipolar father. I have taken pysch meds. and well I think half f you are crack pots lol. Well not really! It's just that ok...

1.) Children need displin and a firm hand or they WILL run a muck. If you don't believe me then look back at when you were a kid. If you KNEW that you could go out get laid and do drugs and NOT have consiquences and you were 13! Wouldn't you have? If you KNEW you could go to grocery store at 9 and take a candy bar and even if you got caught it wouldn't matter, wouldn't you have?

2.) Although I think that children who are not disciplened are MORE likely to act out and get these problems, I think that a lot of it is hereditary and that should be taken into account. My dad had bipolar and now I have it my brother has it and my fathers father had it. Also, my mother did crank when she was preganat with me and I was a cutter herself.

3.) The things that a child expierences in the first few years of their life (as well as later too) has a real impact on how they act. For example: I was kidaped at 3 I was mulsted countles times but more then one person, I was mulested by a family member at 4 (no one knows who and no one ever will), I was beaten and raped by my boyfriend at 15, There is more, But don;t you think that contributed to me current mental state?

Anyways bottom line is chilren need disiplin (sp?) Meds. are sometimes needed, you've gotta be understanding to kids and teenagers and ,aybe try and reach out with an open hand rather then a closed fist, and well be awsome to Dami for she is the shit!

Lets face it if your life is messed up you can and likely will be messed up.
There is a point where you are choosing to do what you know is not right.
Once you make that choice such as stealing, such as fighting with intent to harm, such as throwing a tantrum because you didnt get your way, instead of seeking help you arent sick and to be pittied. You are a shithead or worse and should be treated as such. If more kids got 30 days in jail for stealing less kids would steal. If the media wouldnt over dramatize and publicize criminals taking guns to school it wouldnt give more kids the idea of how to get their chance at 15 minutes of fame.
I am far from perfect and should have been taken out back behind the wood shed for a good whooping more than once.
Instead parents hands are tied due to the rights of child. In the end such things as this are created as an explanation of why the entire system is falling apart.

Actually I DID read the THREAD which is why I said what I did. On A serious thread people may find it OFFENSIVE. And once again THANK YOU for posting another defination that proves the two DONT GO TOGETHER.

ok, i dont know what this lil kids fight is all about. this thread is about a disorder discussion, not a little dictionary quarrel. if you all want to quarrel with words, i strongly suggest you buy a webster's and PM eachother words to see who knows more definitions....that's childish really!!!!!!!!

anyway, mslefaye....ODD is not something a person would want to live with or even can moderate.

this is a DISORDER...meaning it is in your genes, and you don't choose to live with it. it is GENETIC. As to people who claim to have this disorder...well they might have another disorder...personality distortion, which seems quite a few people in the world seem to suffer from and so self-diagnose themselves when infact they dont have any....now, just because certain people exists does not mean you have to go along making false of this disorder, when all we are trying to do is inform, help, and counsel those who suffer from it.

as a learning psychologist and aspiring medicine student who wants to help and heal people...it angers me to see such ignorance been blabbered.


do not ruin this perfectly well informed thread with rubbish. go make another lil silly "social" thread instead. k, thanks.

This is a very good thread Dami....alot of ppl should read it that are not on this web site. I for one have alot of problems persay but I deal with them on my own terms. But for those who need help that cant deal should really read this....my life is screwed up but i made it that way. But you all love me the same so that is all that matters to me anymore...!!! @};-

dont judge a population by the mere actions of one of few beings. the majority of the people who have this disorder are innocent children who do not know any better and are in the proccess of growth, and have to deal with this emitionally, physiccally, and socially which affects them deeply.


lets all, [please], be adults here and have a decent discussion...why must everything be offensive or sarcastic, or some kind of opposition....jeesh...some people here GROW UP honestly...and find it in your hearts to be nice maybe??? it doesnt kill u know...


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Another fun part of this 'Disorder' is the effect it has on the parents of children with it. More info for you from AACAP

American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry

A child with ODD can be very difficult for parents. These parents need support and understanding. Parents can help their child with ODD in the following ways:

• Always build on the positives, give the child praise and positive reinforcement when he shows flexibility or cooperation.


• Take a time-out or break if you are about to make the conflict with your child worse, not better. This is good modeling for your child. Support your child if he decides to take a time-out to prevent overreacting.


• Pick your battles. Since the child with ODD has trouble avoiding power struggles, prioritize the things you want your child to do. If you give your child a time-out in his room for misbehavior, don't add time for arguing. Say "your time will start when you go to your room."


• Set up reasonable, age appropriate limits with consequences that can be enforced consistently.


• Maintain interests other than your child with ODD, so that managing your child doesn't take all your time and energy. Try to work with and obtain support from the other adults (teachers, coaches, and spouse) dealing with your child.


• Manage your own stress with exercise and relaxation. Use respite care as needed.

good post MsLefaye....thank you


this is good information, since everyone seems tofocus on the problem the child ha, we often tend to forget about the parent's angst and stresses, this is also a good way to help both parties and soothe tensions caused by thsi distructive situation.


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again, thank you. that is wonderful info.

cool Dami, thank you very much and also to others who added...it took me long to go through this, but it was wort it.

*Swallows hard*

that was interesting...well, yes, I agree..been there done that!

When I was *younger* (not that I'm OLD now) I TOO, did some "rebellions" thingy against EVERYONE!

BUt it's ok..thanks to this forum post! this emancipated myself from thinking "those things were wrong"


=)

alot of problems with kids today is the lack of a parents being active in there life,knowing and understanding your child and setting limits. is a very big part it shows you care enough to listen,and be there.
the setting of boundrys is very important as well. kids need to know there limits and hat for every action there is a reaction..good or bad..the names they give for kids being kids have gone overboard. spend time with them....
sorry for all the miss spells not perfact folks.i hate too see perfact normal kids get hung with names...

I agree with the parent thing..
I for one (damn it) have parents, and they ARE NOT in a good "situation" or terms..meaning they're not REALLY together..

and it sucks because they're NOT with my sisters all the time...I mean, I can already stand on my own (ESPECIALLY now, I have graduated and I already am a degree holder) I just don't like the fact that my parents can't guide my sisters..eakkk!!

AND, god-forbid, I hope my sisters won't have any "trauma" or whatsoever bad things...

tsk tsk...

I am the daughter of a Police Officer.
I grew up in a house hold that was well aware of how to enforce the rules.

It's enherant for me to defend other people and enforce the rules set in place around myself and those people.

It's also enherant in me to let loose a good old fashioned ass-whoopin' every now and again.

My neice is 1 1/2 years old. She's slapping everyone. What do I do? Thats right kids, I slapped her back. My voice is very deep and carries VERY well. I sound like a man. A handfull of people on this site know that. You wanna hear my redneck, southern girl accent, hook it up on Yahoo one night.
Untill then, my voice scares the hell out of any small child when I scold them.
I got a look out of my neice l;ike "Holy shit... aunt rocky just told me no!!"

Damn right I did.
Wanna know why?
IM BIGGER THAN SHE IS.
** inset arrogant flexing here **

When my parents were kids there was no such thing as half the shit these kids no a days have wrong with 'em.

I think it's really a parents way of saying "I can controll my child without beating them silly... there must be something wrong with them to not listen to me."

Frankly there is.

They're not familliar enough with your foot, yet.

I should note here that I don't bitch-slap 2 year olds.

I smack them on the ass or hands.

Her hand was the offending limb.

It got slapped.

lol i think i've got this disorder

interesting...

not to offend anyone but this sounds more like someone's trying to turn individuality and freedom of choice into a disease.

so from this day forth i must agree with my mother to be deemed of sane mind? in that case...

*changes into nun's habit*

Khayman...

i should know about ass whooping....

i grew up in cuba, these people dont play..they will slap you in the mouth if you say obsceneties, they will grab sticks and hit you with it....but what mostly straighten me out was the asian culture...boy did it ever...
those chinese people dont play either! tempers flied and so did i. piece fo advice...never mess with a kung fu fighting asian LOL
i got more than a little smack in the ass and hands.

theres my point parents need to learn how to be parents instead of kids controling them..i see it to often.

Kids are kids
they screw up they need to learn that things happen
the bigger the screw up the bigger the things that happen in return

supposed to train kids to be functional members of the world
not take them to the shrink and say oh you couldnt help peeling the skin off the cat

wonder of wonders more violence in schools and such low school scores

A parent isnt allowed to do anything anymore....

Sorry I don't like all these 'disorders'
Think they are as much mumbo jumbo as any other myth

... from a parents point of view i must say i love my daughter and have told her repeatedly, but, i also say because i love you i cant allow you to do that.

bump bump, bumpity, bump bump


*puzzled*


why are GOOD threads always the first to go?!