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I was driving today to get a few things and along the side of the road I saw a beautiful fox. He was very happy nosing around a bush. His coat was starting to turn colors from red to white. He was beautiful and as I passed him a wave of joy and a tingly feelling came over me.

Now I do believe that animals can be omens Im just curious how many others there are out there who believe the same thing, and what do the animals mean?




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A rare sight touched you.

Can you relate to the fox?

The fox was doing the same thing as you.

Something telling you that you are on instinct now.

You can shake the hounds now, hopefully in quick dashes.



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As far as omens go, there is a belief in the Southwest and parts of Mexico that states that one is living on borrowed time if one sees a white owl flying over...I'm still trying to get more info on this. Kinda' cool and creepy though...



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I wouldn't call it an Omen, but a spiritual awakening. Some cultures believe the spirit animal communicates in differant ways. Perhaps the fox or canine is your spirit animal and was communicating to you in a compassionate way, if you were either feeling down, angery...Or was inviting you to its mood, letting you know it was "all" okay.



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I don't see the animal's presence as any kind of sign to you. I think that to do so only lowers the animal's existence to that of a signal flare. The fox was there for his own reasons; living his own life. As dabbler said, just doing what you were doing -- carrying on the business of conducting your life.

So the fox, in the course of pursuing his needs and wants, happened across your path while you were pursuing your needs and wants. It's the crossing of two lives which are intertwined only at somewhat distant levels. He wasn't there for you and you weren't there for him.

But to catch a glimpse of such a being; a wild animal which survives on cunning, skill, athleticism and instinct, is something through which to be humbled (in my opinion). For even without the intellect common to humans, he can do what we cannot. He can keep himself warm without clothing. He can keep himself fed without hand-outs. He can breed and raise a family without welfare, health insurance, artificial shelter, climate control, grocery stores or a credit card.

What might you think if someone were to see your existence as something controlled by some unknown power, simply to provide a message to the fox? A fox is far more than a signal flag just as are you. He's a majestic symbol of conquering life among the environment. Something man can no longer achieve.

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All things must meet at one time or another, in one form or another. Thus is the balance of the universe. Some individuals are realist, whilst other are spiritualist.

This does not mean the act of the fox's appearance was pure coincidence. Mayhaps the universe wanted the two to intertwine in a certain way to prove a point. What that point is, is distinquished by the individual themselves.



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On the few occasions I've seen a rare wild creature, I look on it as a blessing and a reminder that we are supposed to be sharing this world with all creatures.



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Living in the mountains, wild animal sightings are a daily occurance. I woke up this morning to a deer in my yard and last night my son and I giggled over a little bunny scurry around. I see some kind of wild animal every day.

If animals can indeed be an omen, I wonder how you would know when they are an omen and when they are just there doing their thing.



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Me I also have wild animals encounters, all because I'm all the way up North in the state of Maine, close to the border of Canada, which is very cool.

So I have seen bears, moose, wolfs, coyotes, cats, dogs, skunks, raccoons, etc. I did not have any kind of feeling except for aww how cute they are.



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I put more in the fact that in your perhaps hussled day you noticed natures subtle presence. On the side of a road. Consider the fox seeking a way to out fox the freeway, to get to favorite forage area.

The fox no doubt felt out of place, and if it was during the day, or early morning was up past bed time (foxes are nocturel correct?)

I like to watch animals, instinct is an impressive thing to me, somehow relative.



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Well I do agree on this subject, but in your case I do not think that it was an Omen so much as your inner animal. You see if you were in a bad mood or stressed that day and it was effecting you badly he (as you put it) was trying to help you get through the day.



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Well actually i've heard many rumors about animals and omens......for example:

1) When all the cows are laying down it is time to go fishing.

2) When all the cows are standing up it is going to rain.

3) When horses run from tornadoes then they are running in a safe direction.

But that is some stuff from living in the south. ^_^



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Well I am from Montana and when a cow is standing up we tipp them over ......lol :)

animals as omens i am sure their are some that would believe it. like a black cat crossing your path something bad is going to happen.



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Re: "All things must meet at one time or another, in one form or another. Thus is the balance of the universe."

Do you think that's actually true or is it just one of those things people like the sound of? Think about it; how many things in the universe haven't met the things in the singularity of the super-massive black hole at the center of the Andromeda galaxy? I think it's safe to say that pretty much nothing in existence today has. One should remember that while they might wish to subscribe to some supposedly mystical assertions labeled "spiritual", the reality of the situation is very much and very demonstrably quite different. The universe has been expanding since the first moment of the Big Bang. It continues to expand today at an every increasing rate. So how is it that one justifies belief in the idea that things on one side of the universe will eventually meet with the things on the other side of the galaxy when they're flying apart from each other at an accelerating pace?

The fox as at point-A. The author of the opening post crossed through point-A. Therefore, they were at the same general point at the same time. The fox is no more an omen for the man than the man is for the fox. And not all things in the universe will meet all other things in the universe. If you want to support such an idea, then you need to work backward to the point just before the Big Bang. The problem, of course, is that we don't know the nature of the singularity from which everything expanded. I think we can be safe to say that there were no men and no foxes in the singularity.


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The only problem with scientific explanations is that a couple are close minded when it comes to the spiritual side of things.

When I say that all things meet as according to the universe, it is a simple statement that says; when things are ment to meet, in due time they will...Not nessessarily "all" things, as in all in total...But all things that are ment to meet, that have a specific plan to meet...Must and will meet by universal law.

Nothing more, nothing less.



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I take animal omens kind of seriously ... I hate it when birds go totally silent and when a black cat just stops and stares at me with those malevolent eyes...

*shudders*



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Re: "The only problem with scientific explanations is that a couple are close minded when it comes to the spiritual side of things."

One could also suggest that science is close-minded when it comes to the fantastical side of things because it doesn't provide any basis for belief in Leprechauns and fairies and yet some people still wish to believe in such things. In reality, science isn't being closed-minded about anything. Science is simply following a consistent system of logic which people often find too objective for their taste because it conflicts with what they want to believe.

Most people want to believe in spirituality but don't seem to display the same need when it comes to the Easter Bunny, Leprechauns, Santa Claus, mermaids. gremlins, zombies or gold, feathered whales. The fact is simply that there is insufficient objective evidence to suggest that any of these things are real. Science is consistent and yields consistent realities, whether they meet with desires or not. People are inconsistent and refuse to accept some of the findings of science when those findings violate their personal subjective desires.

When we find zero credible objective evidence to support the proclaimed existence of green, flying hippopotami, we tend to conclude that such beings do not exist. When we find zero objective supporting evidence for the proclaimed existence of duck-billed tiger-bears, we tend to accept that as sufficient to conclude that no such creature exists. When we find that science can offer no support to the idea of mermaids, unicorns, fire-breathing dragons, zombies, gremlins, centaurs, Leprechauns or rocks that taste like green-apple bubble gum, nearly everyone simply takes that in stride as adequate to conclude that no such rocks exist.

BUT... when it comes to "spirituality"... well then; that's when people instantly lose their footing on the credibility wagon, slip off their feet, and insist that science is being "closed-minded". And yet, no one can offer any more objective evidence to support the idea of spirits and/or spirituality than they can to suggest the natural existence of green-apple flavored, chewy rocks, mermaids, unicorns, gremlins, fire-breathing dragons, zombies, duck-billed tiger-bears, centaurs or hundreds of other mythical entities.

Science is incredibly open-minded. Provide objective evidence of spirits/spirituality for it to analyze and you'll receive the same kind of analysis offered to any other kind of objective evidence. It's people who simply won't accept anything but what they have already decided (and usually without a shred of anything but their own distorted, subjective interpretation of proclaimed experiences), that spirits must be real because they want them to be; who are actually demonstrating the most pervasive of close-minded attitudes.

You see science working for you every single minute of every single day. It always remains consistent. But let science disagree with you about something as subjective and personal as a belief in spirituality and suddenly, science is in error, close-minded, too feeble, flawed, mistaken, inadequate and/or misleading. Otherwise people just might have to admit to themselves that they are most likely the ones who are wrong.

Science demonstrated that vulcanology, not volcano gods, was the cause of volcanic eruptions and many rejected the finding because it interfered with their personal beliefs. Science demonstrated that the Earth was spherical and not flat and there are still people alive today who reject the finding because it conflicts with their personal subjective beliefs. Science demonstrated that the Earth is not only not the center of the universe, but not even the center of the solar system and people rejected the finding because they insisted that their personal subjective beliefs were more indicative of truth. Science showed that the Earth orbits the sun and not the other way around and people attacked the scientists behind the findings, insisting that science was wrong. Science provided evidence that there should be other planets orbiting other stars and those who subscribed to the findings of science were imprisoned and even burned at the stake for their "heresy". Science demonstrated that humans and all other creatures were the product of evolution rather than the result of a supernatural event and people still insist that it simply can't be so; yet every new bit of evidence continues to demonstrate that science is right. Science proved that the Earth has never undergone a global flood, is billions of years old and exists in a universe which existed for billions of years before the Earth, and people insisted that their personal subjective beliefs were superior to the findings of science.

And yet in every single example; science has been correct and the personal subjective opinions of people have been wrong -- every - single - time. So who is being closed-minded?
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Re: "When I say that all things meet as according to the universe, it is a simple statement that says; when things are ment to meet..."

Meant to meet by whom? See the vast assumptions being applied? See how there is zero objective supporting evidence for those assumptions?

That's the same kind of assumption that lead to the conclusions of volcano gods, earthquake gods, rain gods, spirits causing disease, Earth being the center of the universe, spirituality, after-lives, gremlins, mermaids, geocentrism, etc., etc., etc.


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Re: "But all things that are ment to meet, that have a specific plan to meet...Must and will meet by universal law."

What universal law would that be? It sounds suspiciously like the law of "I like the way it sounds and it supports my beliefs so it just HAS to be, even thought it's not supported by any credible evidence at all."

Can you provide examples of where this supposed "law" applies? Can you deny that there aren't oodles of examples which would violate this supposed "law"? A law which is inconsistent, instantly fails to be law.


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Cows rarely ever lie down here in Maine. I have always had a black cat cross my path and had nothing bad happen to me, but it also be that I lived with black cats all my life too.



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cadrewolf that was funny yet true. my family maintains a home in southern montana and I feel the beartooth moutains are awash in a very strong energy. I am from central california on the coast and dabbler makes a good point when the animals wild and dmoestic go to ground watch out and head for a safe spot for a earthquake is coming. I think that the omen and animal idea is a good one. It depends on how you want take it though. I would agree with some earlier posts about it bieng a humbling expierence. It is I will also say that bieng in tune is easier for the the animals than it is for us sometimes and the ability to re tune as it were is not only needed but vital



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I wouldnt say omen myself. Maybe more an indication or invitation to study the various associations of the fox, especially if you're wiccan or some other form of pagan.

Oddly, fox is to me what wolf is to alot of other people. Some of its associations are survival and adaptation, camoflauge (spelled correctly) invisibility, and shape-shifting.

Someone else mentioned it's primarily nocturnal...it is, but its also frequently seen at both dawn and dusk as well.

I always get a thrill from seeing them myself as they are amazing animals. They've adapted to living in cities, and the hence that particular association. Shape-shifting probably comes from the asian cultures, where they are believed to have the ability to shape-shift into young human females or old and venerable human men. Invisibility and camoflauge probably comes from their ability to blend in to the natural environment, as you noted, some foxes change coats with the seasons. But they also move around during the time it's hardest for us to see them.

At any rate, does it necessarily have to mean something? No not really. But I like to study the animals I come across just to see what sort of things I can learn from their habits and ways. You never know, and animals make great teachers.



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For me its several animals

Hawk
Eagle
Tiger
Wolf

All of these animals are majestic to me and I am in awe of them. Every time I watch a Hawk playing in the wind i can't help but smile and feel as though it will be ok today.



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an omen is only an omen if it has meaning to you.
for me, when i see a red tailed hawk, i want to salute the gods. for me the hawk or falcon is a symbol of the goddess freya. sure, they are wandering around doing their own thing, but who is to say that the gods dont work thru them? i think they work thru people to for that matter.

i think the original question was what different animals mean to you. if the answer is that you dont consider animals to be omens or signs of any kind, then why do you need to write a full page to say that?
oh well
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I have to go along with the statements made about it being a spiritual awakening between you and your spirit animal.
It is known that the animal spirits will contact us through meditation dreams and through on occasion through visual in nature.



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For me I feel becoming aware of certain animals at specific times are signs of power.Moths fluttering around at odd times are thought to be signs of power in the books of Carlos Castaneda.. I believe it shows a connection and alignment to spirit.



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i guess the caution i would put out is that each native culture...whether amer-indian, european, african, or asian shaman...has its own meanings for different animal omens.
if you are of a spiritual eclectic nature, you may be mixing one belief system where say an owl is a sign of wisdom gained, with a system where an owl is a sign of impending death.
not the best mix.
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a bird hits the kitchen window of our house my mother freaks as she says this is a sign of death an hour later she gets a phone call her father died.

seeing a black crow before a wedding means that there will be much trouble for the couple and the wedding will not last...aslo wearing pearls that come from clams or oysters cant remember which means you will cry a tear for each pearl as it takes tears of the mulusk to make the jewel



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Well animals have always played a role in different cultures from the native american to the celtics. Asravens and crows are often seen as a omen of death in many superstitions.

The fox is my spirit guide, and hs been for some time. hey are so free spiriyed and whimscial. With the abilty to go between the two worlds unnoticed, as they often travel at twlight and dawn. They are often seen as a symbol of decpetion as well and to be cautious. So takle a look at your surroundings.



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i have always considered ravens to be a sign of good fortune, a sign of odin. whenever i have seen a pair of them, usually good fortune follows (at least for me)



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many people think omens dictate our fates. you saw a fox and all of a sudden you feel a warmth come over you.

Some people think if you saw an animal such as a owl in the middle of the day means your going to have a death in the family.



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http://www.support-native-american-art.com/Native-American-Animal-Symbols.html

this site will help with the meaning of the animals, I have more then once seen Snakes, Wolves, raven, owls and Nagas(Snake like people) in my dreams.



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Animals are a lot of things, they can be omens, esp cats and crows. Othertimes you can just feel their primitive mood and it awakens your own primal urges. never be cruel to an animal though. it has severe karmic repercussions



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I believe each creature of this earth has a messge to tell us. How each person intepets it is his own. seeing an animal in the wild is a beatuiful sight and one to cherish.



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A fox changing its coat. A note to you to shed what is letting you down and start anew. Time for a change even if its a little at a time. So smile someone is looking out for you.



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I agree with gealachlass, it's a sign that you're shedding an old development cycle and transforming into something new and if the fox is any indicator, more elegant.



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