Do you believe that some people possess extra abilities? things such as ESP, Predicting the Future, Or even being able to see or even actually walk into someone else's dreams?
If so, how do you know they really can?
If not, do you think it is possible?
The Time tested craft of illusion has accounted for that which was once considered mysterious " ability", how ever as convincing as the craft was
it showed that talent, and an eccentric, or eclectic observation skill. What varied was the application, and pretense such Mentalism was performed.
I have knowen some people with ESP.It's kind of strange..it's like they knoe everything your feeling
and thinking.
If you don't believe someone..when they tell you,
just try to test them..thats all.
Don't test anyone that wants money out of ya,
cause thoes are just fakes.
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we don't use all of our brains..and there could be a chance that someone could have extra sences.
But,i don't think you can learn them,
i think you got to be boren with it.
Gypsy are raised with their craft. It is only refered to as a gift, or ability to
NonGypsy.
I recommend a BBC program called "The History Of Magic Mentalism.
A fine example of how convincing such performers can be, I have read actual
Testimony from people who insist that chris angel is some ESP enlightened person.
What is disputed out of concern ( as mentioned above) is the abuse of that
" ability" or talent to generate profit, more then to help.
Some people are more socially adapt then others, I find the most " insightful" people I know ( I would believe them to be psychic if I was a seeker looking for demonstrations)
On a case by case bases it really foes come down to demonstratable talent, rather then how convincing ones claim is of being gifted.
I do believe that some people are more intuitive than others. I cannot say they possess special talents or abilities.
However, a good example, what of these psychics that help the police in missing persons and murder cases? Alot of shows that I have seen where they are brought in has astounded many with the accuracy of their predictions or visions or whatever they use.
I do think anything is possible and try to keep an open mind about the unknown.
I Agree that if someone has one of these abilities that they are born with it. And honestly I think that every one of us have some kind of extra Mental ability and just don't know how to open it up.
I know I have experienced being able to see other people's dreams. I don't claim to be able to do it all the time, But I have experienced it a few times.
I go on the lines that some individuals may infact hold some sort of gift. yet alot of them do not come out in public due to horror stories that have plagued our historuy with these people.
Germany during the war is a good example of humans trying to get upper hand on situations and causing chaos with individuals with gifts.
Yet on the other hand alot of these are side show performers or illusionist that use their so called gift for profit and feeding off others,.
mhmm I do know for a fact there are people that can do great things with their minds of which some might view as "special abilities". There are people that can heal others by lay of hands, there is a guy i know that can hold something or even hold your hand and tell you everything about yourself and even some secrets that no one else but you will know even when he's never met you before. I met a guy that is a remote viewer and he very much proven to me of his skills.
Not everyone is outspoken in their talents though. If people did not judge them or make them feel afraid of what or who they are, then prehaps things would be proven without question.
Most of those who profess to be psychic or spirit mediums, are rather controling of their environment when the perform their so called gifts, the same psychics who claim ( upon being requested to demonstrate their professed accuracy) to be to restricted to use their " gift". If there was such a mystic source that psychics tapped into it would be reasoned that they would produce better results then the entertainers who use mentalism to craeate the illusion of ESP.
Sadly those who practice without all the mystic hype are swept up in the
Consumer freanzy for miraclious expectations plastered in every New Age publication.
I look back to the French Parlor practices, the Telling case if the Fox Sisters.
I volunteered at a spiritualist center, watching the information gathered on intake forms about guest be used in readings.
If you watch Bena Check, or a few others you can see how even though they do not claim to be " mystically" gifted they astonish people.
I find the average believer of psycic phenomena is entertained at first, and then the expectation is raised.. They spend more money to be flattered.
Small gathering entertainment and ice breaker, that is the original application of mentalism, turned metaphysical movement.
I believe that people can have special ablities. I guess to make sure there not a fruad they should know stuff they shouldn't or couldn't know otherwise .
i plead the 5th for i dont like to be treated different for my beliefs .but i think that people with closed minds will never experriance anything new or out of the ordnary .for if you shun .or push away .everything you cant tear apart and debunk compleatly .you will never see the magickal part of life.
I have seen the benifts of readings in groups, I am open to the practice, I am no longer convinced it has any thing to do with mystism.
If one looks at the less then sensational practices one can still see an astonishing phenomena in social interaction.
What makes psychics so popular?
My personal observations, people go to be advised by psychics, advice that is not offered by psycologist, or conventional methods.
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" psycics " promise one visit fixes. They are not likely to resolve anything regarding a persons circumstance. They just flatter the person through apparent sympathy.. Empathy.. " Yes child.. You have a pressing problem.." Miss Cleo.
I would invite any 10 people to transcribe 5 different psychic readings ( from unaffiliated network psychics) I would reason that all 5 readings would show marked similarities. I have done this with two people at a psychic fair,
the three readings contridicted each other.
I question the application of talent, whether one is open to the mystic, or
satisfied with the Mentalist practice.
I am quite happy with watching people perform under the disclaimer, For Entertainment Purposes Only, flat rate readers, that don't appease peoples
mystic longings or promise divine experiences.. As long as one " Truelly has Faith.
Please be open minded to those who have had experiences, or loved ones experience exploitation from people operating under the label of psychic. Wether or not you believe it to be mystic, or not.
I hear it time and again when a once popular psychic is exposed, "oh not all psychics are like that." or, " There are people who practice fraud, but not all psychics are like that."
Please share what a " real" psychic can be relied on for?
I do think some people have esp and special abilities that some other people do not.. Maybe it is was due to birth or whatnot..
here in the coffee shop someone in my morning clutch made a point, some have the existing talent, and exercise the talent to entertain the beliefs of others, to very degrees of conviction.
Well as I said in my earlier post, I do think that some people and maybe all people have some kind of mental ability. A lot of people don't know how to open it up or use it. And then some who have it they don't know what to do with it or how to handle it. So, they freak out and get scared and don't use it for good. And let it go to waste.
To assume that people are afraid of something is rather inconsiderate
of people who are socially adapt without all the mysticism.
What of actual detectives?
Sure the "psychic detectives" toot their "accuracy" yet look at existing
talent. Talent that is practical, I think the ones who are afraid, are the so called psychics , afraid of more people learning that it serves no practical purpose, that people will accept it as nothing better then guesses, and cohesive cognition.
No psychic will ever make a hard line statement of their professed "Ability" or "power' the reason for that is a obvious for those who have
a grasp of the obvious. To "open ones mind" to something implies that once the mind is open to something that their is a presentable summary of what ids to be accepted as a consideration.
Something No psychic will dare do. for the simple reason that all other psychics would berate them as a "know it all".
I myself have the ability to see things before they happen.
I can read a persons thoughts by looking into their eyes.
Yes i do.
I, believe i am an impath. when ever my Girl has pains, i feel them, and ask why it hurts. she never tells em of this pain, i just feel it.
I can also feel emotion. Like onetime when i was in high school, a friend was deeply depressed, none of her friends knew, and i asked what was wrong, and she was completely shocked i knew something was wrong.
Try as you will to tell me im wrong.
but i know the pain i feel, and the emotions i can feed off of.
It is not about right or wrong. I was asked if I thought
such things are possible. I find there are physilogical explainations for such things. Meaning para behavioral, and tapped instinct.
Mine is a more physiogical ( which is breaking grounds with active research) then metaphysical.( which rewrites what others are expected to believe, and practice).
To imply, or say that anyone who does not embrace all claims of mystic abilities close minded needs to stop. Even within the psychic community their are those who scrutinize the claims/ and even practices of others.
I keep my psychic interst on the entertainment level.
What do you mean? I mean, i feel the pain, Physically. and i feel like crying when someone is depressed. but,t hey never tell me they are depressed, so how could i know, except threw being an impath?
you doubting that people have these abilities or even questioning it, Makes you on the same level as these so called psychics who are basically frauds and makes those of us who actually have abilities look stupid and like frauds. As I said I don't claim to have my ability all the time, But I do have the ability when it is needed. I also am able to communicate with Wolves / Dogs, As far as understanding them, or reading their minds.
it is believed even by scientist that everyone has some kind of mental / psychic ability and everyone doesn't know how to tap into this power so to speak.
yea, i have the same, but with cats...lol.
I dont say people dont have powers, im saying i dont like when people say i dont, when i in fact have proven to my real life friends that i do.
The ability to read people or animals is definately a gift. Society as a whole has learned that certain individuals have abilities to train animals. Certain individuals have the ability to "read people". Those that can fall into a range of areas:
- use that skill to their own advantage (we call them salesman or perhaps charlatans depending on the circumstances)
- advantage of a group (we call them managers, priests, politicians)
- advantage of a family (we call them mothers, fathers, grandmother etc..)
Amongts us, we all have differing abilities to read animals. Which one of us can't tell when an animal is in distress, or in pain, or happy. But yet, how many of us can train a dog to perform at the levels necessary to win the Westminster Kennel Club. We have different abilities in this area. Or train a horse to for barrel racing.
Some of us can read people better than others. Those that do, perhaps become counellors, clergy, psychologists. Mayber they are just mothers.
How many of us have driven down the street and intuitively known that the driver will pull out in front of us. Was it psychic, or perhaps an attention to details that was acquired over years. Perhaps the driver in question looked pensive, wasn't looking our way. Perhaps we saw that there was a slight larger gap in front of us compared to the rest of the lane.
As far as the thread as a whole:
- ESP, yes some people have better perceptive abitilities than others due to experience or training.
- Predicting the Future, yes, some people understand human nature, history, game theory if you will, and can look at what may happen based on what has happened.
- Can't speak to walking in dreams. Has anyone experienced others walking in their dreams?
Can you please explain " walking in dreams "?
is it like when your sleeping, someone astro projects into your dream?
So it can be said to come down to the "source " one claims whether instinctual, or mystical/ "unknown".
This is the question correct?
If so, how do you know they really can?
How do you know you really are experiencing ESP rather then a performance of guile mental manipulation?
I think ESP in general is people who are tuned to interpersonal skills and interpretation of body language. If you remember, our mothers were very good at this, they had "eyes in the back of their heads". So what makes us believe that others don't have those same skills?
Come on folks, you your self can interpret non verbal cues. If you make a statement and I lean back compared to a scowl, what does that mean.
We all know the skills, we just sometimes don't, or don't want read the signs.
What seperates the talented, and and the " accidental" social Adapt? Concscious application.
As a dispatcher for an campus entertainment troupe for hire, I observed two card readers one practiced, and one raised by a foster mother into Early New Age Disiplines. The practice is a hit with fraterities, and sororities.
Both would tell you they are in no way enlightened, they worked their disclaimer in their routine. Still they would continually be approached by people for very crucial personal issues.
I call it a Sociogeist.
If any Ability exist that is mystic in origin then surly it sould produce results
Greater, and more precise then Practiced Social Adaptery.
I think that there are people who possess enhanced mental or psychic abilities. I have no idea how it works, or how they do it. I can say that every time my mom dreams of fish swimming about, someone we know is pregnant...it hasn't failed yet. It's kinda' creepy, actually.
Midwivery is a craft I will vouch for through personal observations.
I am astonished by the raport between woman.
So, what your all saying, is these special abilitys are all just mental powers?
What about strength and speed?
I believe what is meant by walking in ones dreams it is meant that someone can actually be in your dreams with you. For example, I used to have a female friend that I had a very strong bond with and she would show up in my dreams. and I mean physically. I could physically touch her and feel her as if she was right there with me. and I have been able to do the same with her and other's that are open to it.
ok what do you mean by strength and power?
and No matter what anyone says or belives, I know what I can do and what some of my friends can do or are capable of. I don't have to prove myself or them to anyone.
I do believe people have extra-sensory abilities. In fact I believe we all do to some degree. How many times have you answered the phone and known who it was without looking at the number?
Or had a vision that came true. We all have abilities some are enhanced in others some are dormant waiting to be awoken.
Well i believe that each person has the ability to access their 3rd eye and it just takes practice if you dont use it often, then it never grows .
I know there are people out there with extra abilities. I have a few and I know some people who are able to astral project themselves good enough I can see them in the same room with me although they are not really there and I know people who can dream walk - because they have walked around in my dreams more than once and was able to describe my dreams in detail to me - I have precognitive dreams - warnings and intuitions, and I am extremely empathic. I can read most people like a book, although there have been a few that have fooled me.
Like....
When we are chased by a bear, we naturally can run faster. but, some humans, can tap into this all the time. even exceed it. is it that they tap into adrenaline, or is this an ability too?
same with power...
I know as far as power goes. If you are talking about physical power, There have been cases of someone being in an automobile accident and the vehicle ends up on to of someone amd the other person out of shock or fear, Has been able to move the vehicle off of the person.
Someone made the comment earlier in this thread that someone can react to body language or something they see and make predictions from that. however; I am almost blind, So I could not use that as an excuse even if I wanted to. If people react to body language then I would not be able to do some of the things I am able to do once in a while.
I think some people are gifted with a extraordinary talent for observation and use this ability to their best needs
BUT
I also believe that there are some very talented Mediums and psychics too.
I agree with SweetlyDecadent on this, you get a lot of talent on both sides it's just a case of distinguishing between the two.
I have special abilities ^^ but can't disclose them here ^^..
I have a special ability and that is I can see thing be for they happen at times it does always happen to me but when it does I usually get tem asa warning
I do believe we all have these abilities... like LDR said it is up to us as to exercise our third eye and tap into it.
Human beings have shown countless times that in certain moments with adrenaline rushing through us we can do extraordinary things. Mothers lifting cars of children, running in impossible speeds to save our lives. Hearing the sound of someone we love in trouble even though we are no where near them to have possibly heard them. We have only tapped a small part of our brains and our selves. Who knows what we will evolve into over time.
The ones that have these real powers, and dont fake it, are tapping into there minds.
Like Criss Angel. He's Tapped into about everything.
I believe there are people who use their special powers for the wrong reasons such as to make money. however; like someone said those are usually fakes and you will be able to tell by what they tell you.
Yea, i use mine to help heal and nurture people. Not for money or glory.
You can usually spot a fake. But, sometimes it is rather difficult to do a such thing.
Yeah I know. I have been fooled in the past by fakes. Now I am more careful and pay more attention to my instincts.
My Dream Abilities a lot of times has me trying to help someone figure out dreams or sometimes facing fears that caused the dream.
My family have been professional psychics for several generations, there is a lot of showmanship to fill in the blanks out there. My aunt (RIP) did not believe in the showmanship... if she could not read a person, she would hand back teh money without a word and walk away, a lot of people thought she was very strange and rude. But she certainly was quite accurate without dependance on "cold reading", or other tricks of the trade. She was a very strange duck. My grandmother nor her twin never gave readings after an extensive battery of electroshock therapy in the 50's. (I wonder why?)
I have three things that are documentable, but anyone can be accurate once in a while *wink* I'm sure I'd have more if I did the professional psychic bit, but I think most professional psychics are often stuck in a rut that inhibits proper developement.
I'll post the three in my journal if anyone gives a crap.
I have no proof of what I am able to do other than the people I have helped or who know that I have seen their dreams.
ram...Please explain. That was not enough information.
I have heard of the " phycic gene "
I do believe that there are many people who do bare gifts or abilities. I do bare a few but do not go around doing readings for people, for me it's not a accurate source to go by. I get flashes and pictures of things but not a complete vision. The ability to read people has always come naturally to me, but I refuse to do readings for anyone else than family or close friends.....we do it for fun, but sometimes things do happen to them that they had told to them in the reading.
Just encase someone misunderstands this I'm not tooting my own horn I just am going by my own personal experiences about the subject.
What I was trying to say is. I can't prove my ability. The only proof I would have of what I am able to do is a few people who I have discussed their dreams with them and was able to tell them what they had dreamed before they even said anything. Like ask them questions about it out of the blue.
and sometimes I know what the dream means and I try to help them deal with it and face the fear if this is the problem.
Notable reference to practical application Kevil. Placing such things in context, rather then pressing on to more " ultra sensational" declarations.
I act as a social catylst as well.
So many are led to expect bells, and whistles from everyone that practices.
Having heard from readers who opt (as Kevil does) to avoid doing readings as an active trade, because do many who practice make set far reaching expectations on clients.
The one thing I hear over and over is " fake psychic"
So when is a psychic deemed fake? As opposed to " real".
If all psychics use the disclaimer " not always accurtate" is it not any better then a guess? The same thing that entertainers do ( with the added challenge of those they perform for looking on knowing they are being shown an illusion.
The very Term Fake, comes from Fakirs, the troupes out of India, and possibly Egypt that performed "wonders, and astonisments, unexplainable to the general ( uneducated) masses.
Eventually the practice became so expoitive, that performance artist ( illusionist) revealed their secrets, to reveal the true nature of what appeared to be " mystical ability divined". Any medium will tell you if asked, that seances gained popularity in France as a way for Grieving/ morning people ( mostly women) to transfer from private morning to public morning.
Look at the Spirit photo craze. A fine example of something that somehow
thrived, even after the two most noted " spirit photographers" denounced their practice.
M. Lemar Keene, one time successful medium, and Spiritualist Church Founder tore down the Curtain, and still people flock to such collectives.
So perhaps the only ability, or gift one needs is to pick out a ripe person that really wants some sliver of attention for their whoas, or third party confirmation for an idea they already concluded upon.
If scienctist announced tomorrow that technical confirmation finally confirmed PSI activity, every psychic would embrace that scientist!
After watching people give rave reviews for a mentalist who, for a case study, presented himself as a medium. The whole " fake" vs " real" becomes moot.
Any " gifted psychic" should perform better then any entertaining mentalist.. would anyone agree?
Notable reference to practical application Kevil. Placing such things in context, rather then pressing on to more " ultra sensational" declarations.
I act as a social catylst as well.
So many are led to expect bells, and whistles from everyone that practices.
Having heard from readers who opt (as Kevil does) to avoid doing readings as an active trade, because do many who practice make set far reaching expectations on clients.
The one thing I hear over and over is " fake psychic"
So when is a psychic deemed fake? As opposed to " real".
If all psychics use the disclaimer " not always accurtate" is it not any better then a guess? The same thing that entertainers do ( with the added challenge of those they perform for looking on knowing they are being shown an illusion.
The very Term Fake, comes from Fakirs, the troupes out of India, and possibly Egypt that performed "wonders, and astonisments, unexplainable to the general ( uneducated) masses.
Eventually the practice became so expoitive, that performance artist ( illusionist) revealed their secrets, to reveal the true nature of what appeared to be " mystical ability divined". Any medium will tell you if asked, that seances gained popularity in France as a way for Grieving/ morning people ( mostly women) to transfer from private morning to public morning.
Look at the Spirit photo craze. A fine example of something that somehow
thrived, even after the two most noted " spirit photographers" denounced their practice.
M. Lemar Keene, one time successful medium, and Spiritualist Church Founder tore down the Curtain, and still people flock to such collectives.
So perhaps the only ability, or gift one needs is to pick out a ripe person that really wants some sliver of attention for their whoas, or third party confirmation for an idea they already concluded upon.
If scienctist announced tomorrow that technical confirmation finally confirmed PSI activity, every psychic would embrace that scientist!
After watching people give rave reviews for a mentalist who, for a case study, presented himself as a medium. The whole " fake" vs " real" becomes moot.
Any " gifted psychic" should perform better then any entertaining mentalist.. would anyone agree?
hmmm wel i dont know because history serves us in different regions around the world like take the aztec and native americans and even some parts of africa and beyond that theses people were so conviences that they could posses and medicine men would enterthere dreams and among others story but i suggest look into carribean islands for history and it will lead you
Yes, some people have ESP and/or a psychic. I have friends who can tell me things that there is no possible way that they could have knwon.
Walk into someone else's dreams? I think that's possible. I have had one of my friends say such things of how I feel, before I even tell. Either he could see what I have in those hazy dreams. I don't know.
The only one here who seems to doubt any of this is Dabbler.
however, These so called psychics even on television claim to be able to tell you everything and that their readings are 100% accurate. There is no disclaimer that they may be wrong. I know my abilities are not always accurate. Because sometimes I don't know if they are something I am actually seeing or something in my own mind. I am still learning how to use and control my ability.
Ram,
There are two types of Phyc's
1) The real - Meaning they can really do everything they say. and they do it by pure ability.
2) The Fake - By setting things up, or using such things as
-Your life will take an unexpected turn
-Your troubled by something
-Someone close to you will hurt you
All this happens in day to day life.
The only one seeking reverence for professed abilities appears to be Ram. I may be wrong.
Why should anyone take what you claim to be able to do? Should you want to witness a demonstration from someone who claimed to be able to tell you what you did from the moment you woke up until you arrived?
There are three types of psychic and spiritualist mediums.
Eyes open, and Eyes Shut.
Then there are performers of mentalism.
It would stand to reason, that any professed psychic would pass a review by other psychics ( correct?)
True, there should be a " phycic test " to see if someone is true or fake. but there are always ways to punch holes into that test as well...
like inside information.
The abuses of any talent, wether mystical in nature, or mentalism to gain
a repore with someone for reasons of financial expoitation is wrong.
Building a dependency in a vunerable person seeking consouling regardless of your accepted belief if the practice. At the core is the practice, what varies is not " fake" or " real" but the application, the practicality, what is advertised, and what is served.
Real psychic, fake psychic.. Is moot. Nonbelievers can practice .
Instead if the implied absolute that somehow people in the past saw " real psychics" and crafted ways to be able to duplicate what they saw, is illogical, and ignores the history.
A classic opera has the story line of a popular Spiritualist Madam who
Who renounces her claim of mystical gifts, and confesses to consorting with
the maids, and servents if her sitters. Yet still the marks insist in chorus " Madam .. Madam you deny us our loved ones company!"
If you insist on the " fake", and " real psychic" dicotomy then a percentage is begged to be seen.
What do you mean by a percentage?
There should be a test.
should there not?
The percentage of "Fake" to " real psychics".
Being a mentalist is a real talent. The intent is to entertain people. Psychics use the same talent to entertain peoples belief.
So the fake, real arguement is moot.
If a person practices mentalist talent on a person to gain confidence it is abuse of a talent, a very real and demonstratable talent, in most cases mentalist are upfront that they are performers, there is no pretense of being mystically gifted.
So if one insist on the "Fake" and " real psychic" then it would stand to reason that they would be have an opinion on how the practice can protect the consumer from " fake", or those who abuse with what is determined as a "gift".
what?
LMAO...
you kinda lost me....dumb it down so i can understand.
Mentalist are called fake by those who claim to be gift psychics. Mentalist practice a
demonstratable talent.
Mentalist perform for general admission, or event fees.
Psychic readers are in two camps, those who are entertainers, or social advisors ( Kevil states this well) , and those who imply an "epithany" one
sitting.
If a person was " gifted" and they abuse what is " established" to be a " gift" then labeling the person " fake" is ignoring a major factor.
But people help and use there gift just to help, not to make them selves better.
i use mine to help, not for self gain.
And actually Dabbler, I could care less if you or anyone believes in what I have. I don't claim to be a professional, nor do I want fame, glory, or praise for it. I simply said that I sometimes am able to do the things I mentioned.
and as DreamlessNight said, when I do use my abilities it is to help someone not for self gradification.
and my opinion on real or fake psychics is simply an opinion. We are all entitled to our opinions.
now as far as what I or anyone else can or can not do is neither here nor there, and it is not even rellivant weather anyone belives it or not. the proof as you call it is in the actions and accuracy of the person claiming to have the ability.
Yes, ram i agree.
The proof lies with in the actions you do, and not the hearsay of people that are your friends.
i agree 100%.
I do believe there are special abilities that people can have. I became convinced to such abilities such as mind reading after witnessing a show that my college sponsored. I had no doubt this man did have a special gift that allowed him to read the audiences mind.
As for spotting fakes, I would never go to someone who charges a ridiculous amount of money for a reading. I feel that if they truly had a gift they should use it to help people and not profit from it.
Ky
exactly. People who charge too much, often are fake, but you believe there real cause they give too open ended reads.
like..
" i see danger in the future "
or
" i see depression soon "
Its is readers like that you gave as an example DN that give the ones that are indeed genuine a bad rap.
that is exactly why I don't go around bragging about what I can or can not do. I only choose to talk about it when the situation warrants it. such as when I feel that I can help someone with the ability.
Yes I totally agree Ramyx, it is not too often that I read any one any more just when i fel a need to, what is your opinion on if you see something horrible, do you tell or keep it to yourself ?
that is a hard one LD. I don't know how to answer that one. Each situation is different. Usually depedning on what the problem is, it can be changed or set in a different direction. It depends on how open and willing to listen the person is. I don't like to tell them when it is something bad, But sometimes I feel I need to.
It is my opinion that metaphysic abilities do not exist, I am convinced that there are people who can convince others that they have some ability.
How can one say what does and does not exist? Unless you have yourself been a party to it happening to yourself than one can not judge what is "real" or "fake." This is why people who do have abilities don't want to come out into the light about what they can or can not do. I am always hesitant to speak out openly about my capabilities because there is always someone out there who has a sawed off shot gun ready to shoot me down.
As for a test of said abilities it would be hard to test because you don't know when you will get a vision it's random as hell. Plus you don't always get the full event.
What does exist with demonstratable evidence ( not proof) is that people can be led to believe any number of things, and that the person who would have them believe is not necessrilly a believer.
I never implied that proof was need, no one is persicuting anyone here. These are all opinions, in the end it comes down to what an opinion is supported by.
It is TRUE.
I often have it or should I say suffer from it.
It can be quite unerving.
Controlling dreams and glimpsing future events.
The real problem is control.
That is very very hard.
There is a place the mind can go to see more. Thats all I will say. Alcohol can help...just to help relax...Drunk!!! NOPE it wont work. P.s I have freaked a few people out.
I'm not saying that you, are making any accusations. I was only saying that proof of those types of abilities are hard to make test for because of the randomness of that some psychic events occurrences.
I myself have recently had an experience of a very vivid and morbid dream. I still to this day have not completely figured out what it was about. I know it was someone elses dream but the screwed up part is I don't know whose dream it was. For some reason this one time I could not see the person having the dream. So, it scared me to death, and still does because I keep waiting for it to manifest itself some way some how.
I highly suggest that most of you read Carl Jung's work in regards to the collective psyches.
Psychics off a network are for entertainment purposes only no matter what they say. Psychics are not totally accurate and any good psychic will tell you. One of the hardest things to pin down is time. I was told I would receive a ring in an inheritance; a valuable ring. I thought the reader was wacked, lol. Ten years later a cousin of my paternal grandmother sent me a ring. It was her diamond engagement ring which she had taken when my grandmother died. She said she had always wanted me to have it. It's estimated worth was $9,000 dollars. This is the problem. Sometimes things do happen but long after the reading, by then you don't remember.
It is the nay sayers that are holding back research in the area of the paranormal. It doesn't follow a prescribed formula they can get ahold of and make money off of usually. I wonder what some are scared of trying to prove so hard that the paranormal doesn't exist. If this is true we should junk all of religion because it is full of the paranormal that millions of people believe. I don't think any of these things are "special abilities" at all. They are just abilities like anything else in life, some are good at them like some are talented at playing piano or the violin or singing. The chance one would be good at this is like anyone else, there is an inkling in all of us which Jung called Synchronicity, more or less. Most would say coincidence but was it really?
Commonly Jewlery is exchanged around deaths, it is the number two most common thing readers, and mediums say, number one is " I see a picture."
What believers insist to be unexplainable, and untestable they default to mystical?
The talent is nothing mystical. If it was then A psychic, would be more convincing then a mentalist.
Thank You AD for your opening remark about network readers.
It seems the private practices are wanting people to expect much more fantastical results from their reading, a one stop, or a series of sessions..
A follow up question AD, What should a prospective client expect from a private practice reader, and what should they be aware of? I feel you have a level head on these matters.
I even stated in one of my earlier posts that I can not pin down a time for everything. That is virtually impossible. and that is why my ability scares me so much.
like i said if you dont want to see ,feel ,believe any of these things ,then you wont experience any of it .and if you do you wont realize any of it .cause your mind is made up that its fake .ive seen things that have made me believe.cause if you see someone riding bike what more proof do you need that they can ride.when i was a teen i was used as a channel for spirits to speak to my parents .they carried a hour long conversation with my parents who then proceeded to ask the spirits why they were here.and doing this to there son. the spirits told them that i was a channel and they were here to pick somebody up.my parents were scared it was me .but as it turns out it wasnt . it was our neighbor he died that night . and with his death they had a chance to visit.ive only had 2 other experiences since then .i dont remember all of the conversations cause when they take over its them not me .and im not joking it happened so i believe .truly believe .but there are fakes that will screw you out of money .there is always something out there that you wont be able to explain but that doesn't mean it diddn't happen or doesnt exist.
Exactly, that is the point I have been trying to make. Just because there are people who pretend to have it or do have it and use it for the wrong reasons, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
For it's effectivness would such gifts be missed at all?
What difference does " sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't." and " You can never tell when it works."?
So nothing exist at all, and if it does, it is not unusual, and inaccurate.
Thank you.
Yes i belive some ppl can have them i feel they come from many diffrent things that might have happend in the person's life
Or how they were brought up ect,
Because some people have learned how to control and read them accurately. Some of us just don't know how to pin time frames down or how to read what we see accurately all the time.
i myself have a gift and it is to see the future and some it all ready happen
Yes, I believe people can have extraordinary abilities.
Several people on VR know what I am able to do (both in person, on the phone, or just when I think about them). Whether it is special or not, it is there and real.
But, there are many charlatans out there that prey on those that want to believe in the extraordinary.
Thank you very much.
only a few people know of what I can do. I keep it quiet most of the time because of the sceptics out there. and I don't want to hear their rambling about how it is my imagination.
i believe everybody has a gift...if only they were given opportunity to develop and understand it...
yes, there are those with "special abilities"; i know this to be fact.
ESP....some call it coincidence, but not those who have it.
seeing angels, ghosts etc., my wife has watched many-a-battle in the skies. i myself have seen the occasional ghost wandering around down here
.....i guess it depends on the situation,,sometimes i think its real and sometimes..i think its not
after awhile the unusual becomes the usual and the "effectivness" increases . ive seen tarot bring people to tears for the accuracy they had on peoples lives .alot of times they know what must be done but there is a missing piece to their puzzle .and geting a reading done brings things into perspective for them .and adds that missing piece .ive seen people get up from having there chakras aligned feeling like a new person . i believe it helps them and so do they .and i am so glad that IT WORKS.but as with alot of magick if you dont believe" sometimes "it don't work .but for those of us that believe OHHH the possibilities of what we can feel ,hear ,see,and sometimes touch,are virtualy limitless... to all my magick believing friends...blessed be .
my moms called and told me several times exactly what i did the night before she says she dreamed it ..or shell call and say oh i had a dream the other night and im really worried about you are you ok??
shes very insightful.. i wish she could tell me what foriegn language im speaking in my sleep and why!!~jj