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Hey guys. Lemme start off by saying i dont think this IS micheal jackson, that is up to you to decide. Heres the clip, let it buff up until the 8.15 mark and just...look. Comes outta nowhere. Could be a reflection, could be a spirt..whatever it is...its puzzleing..


If someone could embed the video i'd be greatful.

It was about the 8:20 mark when you actually see the shadow :)

I'm not really sure how to debunk this - not that i'm very good at debunking videos such as this.

As i said, it just comes out of nowhere, i cant see a shadow, just an outline. No foot steps heard..weird.

it looked like a silhouette doing a forward moonwalk down the hallway to me lol

It looks authentic, after seeing things my mom has recorded as a paranormalist, but then again it IS from youtube. Most people who film something will not know that they footage of something until they view it later.

You never know.

It will be reviewed frame by frame, and the position of the camera, and such will be tested. Rather catchy though. I will put this one next to the Brown Photo.

I wouldn't be quick to say it was MJ's ghost. I was more interested in the rest of the video.

The house isn't that wow for a multi millionaire, but Is cool: panic room, garden and kitchen..

It could have been poperazzi caught trespasing, I channeled micheal, and thats what he told me.. He said "those people .. Are horrible.. They are scary then shadows.. they sneak around my house.. ".

I wouldn't doubt that it is his ghost since he loved the place so much. But it will be run through all kinds of debate. In the end you of course, can think what you want. I'd like to think he's there in spirit.

Why is always a ghost that people run into conclusions.. In plain daylight, TV crews walking everywhere, and maintenance picking things for the preparation of the ceremony, it could even be hidden kids looking for a way out rather than a ghost, spirit etc.

My hope is that it really it not MJ's spirit, hopefully he is getting the rest and peace he deserved in life. On the other hand he did leave a lot of unfinished business.

well, i saw the figure. to me it was a figure. now, whether it was a relection or not? but maybe the ghost hunters should check it out :)

As I watch it the mannerism, of the infield reporter was less then candid, the cameras pan is rather inconsistant, as if the camera was supposed to pan in on something right away, but actually had to "wait".

An apparent, apparition?

But here's the question, "If" it is as it appears? Does this default every stray shadow filmed as confirmed? Not.

We have so many cases as examples of " You Never Knows" confirmed as " who would have thunk something so simple."

Timing? If not this is not intentionally produced effects, rather profound.

It looks pretty faked to me. I thought how it was weird the camera just happened to look down the hall as soon as the shadow appeared then panned away as soon as it passed.

I watched the video and I really didn't see much of a shadow.As far as you would think of it as a ghost or a shadow person rather I found it possable to be one of the camera men.A staff member passing by a room or a cast of a shadow off someone walking there are lots of people there.I have been on a lot of cases and viewd lots of footages of aperent hauntings and I would have to say Not haunted I listend for foot steps and other things perhaps background EVP but nothing.How ever it might be a ghost getting his 5 mins of fame.
Anything is possable but I was not there to investagate its a youtube video so who knows. All video is worked with.

i found the figure intresting...... if its michael or not.... its a intresting thing either way

Well, upon watching this clip it is interesting they see an apparition soon after Michaels death.
If it was not altered in anyway, this is remarkable.
I am not well in telling what is edited or not. I am only able to tell if the clip was edited poorly, and if this is an edited piece, it is well done. I dont know what to make of it - its up in the air for me. It will be interesting to see what the world makes of it though.

Considering that it is youtube, I cannot seem to pause it at the right moment for better detail. 21.50 - 22.00. This is the precise time that the figure manifests itself. It is very close to call on whether or not it is an actual apparition. Now, the odd thing is...Who caught it first? As well, why has the manifestation not been advertised on a national level as of yet?

I was thinking the exact same thing. I did a google search for a still of the image and could not find anything. Anyone could have added that apparition in if they knew what they were doing. It also seems strange to me how fast it moved, and how it had appeared right when the camera had paused briefly in that direction.

After reviewing this video serveral times, Without actully being there it could really be anything, there's no certinty there wasn't someone around there casting off a shadow, perhaps for a publicity stunt if other people catch it. Without knowing if they were the only people in the house at that moment it's hard to say what it actully is without actully being there.

Robin makes a valid point, I find this in the same class as the " Brown Lady " ghost photo.

But well above the " Three men, and a Baby" ghost.

It is interesting by my first thought was hoax. I watched it a few times and well I am no expert. I agree with an earlier post I hope its not MJ's ghost he deserves to rest in peace.

There could be any number of reasons for the shadow. I am sure that it would be looked at and everyone in the area at the time asked questions. Light is always a factor when casting shadows and could explain the shadow.
It is a wonder this hasnt spread around as were the sms's about MJ death and the remarks ppl were making.
I would love if it could not be proven to be someting else other then the ghost of MJ but ppl will always find a reason as to why it cannot be.
All I will say is let the man rest in peace.

The same sort of thing happened when Elvis died. Shadows were seen and it was automatically Elvis ghost and then ppl started seeing his ghost everywhere. I hope this doesnt happen with MJ. I am sure there is a valid reason for the shadow, someone walking pass and the light reflect their shadow. Trick photography to get ppl excited. Who knows I am sure it will come out in the future.

there is a figure.....but who knows of what.....A reflection, someone else's shadow, maybe MJ's spirit/energy, or maybe someone else's spirit/energy.

You can try to debunk it by trying to recreate it and see if the same image comes up again or not is just one step.

I agree that it was a bit odd how the camera panned to the top of the stairs just as the figure was walking past. I think it was planned.

The buffed floor created the effect. Similar to the pre holographic rig in Disneys Haunted Castle, The Morning Starr has a clipped, and slowed version
The effect can be duplicated.

Personally the question I ponder is was it an intential act, or a fluke?

What motive? To propel NeverLand Ranch as a Pop Culture Road Side Attraction.

Worth noting as well The projected direction of motion, from left to right, indicates that the shadows source was inverted right to left. The direrection of the Grip off camera.

I think it's a reflection off the glass of someone walking by outside of the house

Seeing as they were looking around his house, maybe the camera tilted upwards and held simply so the viewer could get a better look and where this guy lived?

i'll buy that.... camara angle for a better shot.

with all due repect to all of you but you are talking about a people walking out side or a reflection off the floor ok but from the angel of the shot there is no windows so i do think it is a ghost but is it the ghost of MJ do not know that ranch is old so it could be a ghost of another person

I just found this cut down version of just the shadow.

Dude, if anything that video points MORE towards it not being a reflection :S

I dont really mind when people try to debunk this kind of stuff but my only problem with the replies on this thread is that none of your "debunking" add's up =/
Now i'm not saying that this is an outright apparition of someone, by all means its here because i want someone to debunk it adequately, but at the moment i'm leaning more to this actually being legit becase no one on the net can seem to explain it XD

Well I suggested it had been edited in before making it to YouTube. My only other theory is that someone was walking around in the other room. The shadow does look like it stands out, like something is really there, but I just don't think it's paranormal.

perhaps not, but neither a ghost, just because a shadow is present doesn't automatically falls in that denomination, and to say it deff is, makes it way worse. This is the first "ghost apparition" that i've seen in broad daylight in a open house,with people everywhere, full of windows with view to the garden.

But surely it appearing in broad daylight debunks the theory that its someone else's shadow?

Yes there is def a shadow walking across the hallway,whose to say who it is, but there is something there for sure.

Debunking is part of any ghost hunters repretare. With out acutlly knowing if they were the only two in the room at that moment inculding the camera person you can't prove anything. I could be anything or everything that's the point. If something else could of caused it , it should be pointed out.

well how i look at it is that i feel that if you try to debunk it then it is like saying that there is proof of a god and to me for all the ones that believe in a god proof dines faith

What interested me more than the 'shadow' was the real feeling being shared by his brother.

I'm sure 'experts' will pore over this as time goes by and we will hear more about it.

I for one just hope that Michael finds the peace that seemded to elude him in this life and his children are cared for.

why would the camera man magically decide to point down the hallway right when the shadow pops by?

well all you are saying that it is a set up but some times we in our little minds can not explane stuff ok and at that time and place it all came together ok and no matter what you say or do or how you look at it there is something there ok....is it MJ who knows but what we do know is that there is something there that we as humans can not explane so why try ok have faith in what you can not see ok

"why would the camera man magically decide to point down the hallway right when the shadow pops by?"

the reason they were filming is because they where looking around his house. Now, for this reason the camera man is obligated to give people the best view of where this guy lived - So if he walked around with the camera not at a very good angle thoughout, there'd be alot of pissed off people?

Considering it was LIVE on the air to, i dont think the camera man thought to himself "Oh..i'll point the camera down the hallway and then edit a shadow figure into it and watch the fun pop off on the internet"

Still i have yet to hear someone debunk this adequately.

I feel I should add, that some of the comments made by people on the YouTube site for the video said they were sure it was faked. One of the people was actually watching it live and said that they saw nothing in the hallway.

well i still think it could be something and yet it could be nothing so

Watch how the shadow " materializes". The conditions can be duplicated.
I have sworn to seeing people walk down barracks halls, freshly buffed, a shean is cast.

This is a visual anomily which though not as fascinating as a ghost, is notable.

what i need to ask is why are we as a people trying so hard to debunk this ok i mean let people believe what they want ok it gives them hope and joy

Although it would be pretty awesome if it was Michael..it looks to just be a shadow to me..*shrugs*

To humor believers, is to invite the " I told you so." mentality.

In this case it a obvious it is a shadow, even a paranormal sight is calling this nonphenomenal.

Would you have rational people coddle to people who believe you are a demon posses person, that needs to be exercised by spears?

It gives them hope, after freeing a posses body..!

well in all that there is alot to look at too just not one view

If i say is a pony would anyone believe me? 'Cause as far as im concerned everyone is speculating about ghost without having a different outlook/explanation of something so "obviosly deviated from a ghost apparition", trying to debunk what is simply a shadow pattern in broad daylight typically "reasonable" outcomes in a open house-facades, where in the kitchen they were around 6 people alone, imagine the whole house. I would dare to say the pace is a typical walking person, probably from a given time walking in front of a glass window, If you guys observe around more than the 2 second clips of the shadow, you could understand this much better, there is no private closed area the whole house is a natural lightning source.

Want to buy a watch? This person believes it is an authentic Rolex in this box, as a matter of fact, 20 people saw me put what appears to be a Rolex in this box..

See how what people want to believe does nothing to change what I'd obviously not an apperition, being ignorant to the way the shadow develops
Relative to " moving" is the undoing of the matter.

Even a paranormal tabloid forum supports such reviews.

You keep denying anyone to the right to an opinion on a debunk everything said you dismiss.

Fact 1: We do not know how may people were in that room even more or less known how may people were in that very building at that time.

Fact 2: It's on you tube, so it could have been edited into the video by whomever hosted it.

My answers are as follows:

It could be a shadow of someone in the next room crossing the door. It could be a shadow accross the room at an angle we can't see from the camera view.

I do concur that the camera man was more showing where he lived and didn't really react to the shadow in any way shape or form.

But you have to concider the fact that something else could have cast that Shadow. I'm not saying it's the only thing that could of but mearly pointing out it could.

That's debunking , showing that there's a possiblity that there is another way it could have happend, not the only way just another way. Give kudos to people that came up with something. Don't just knock them down.

To sum it up, it is an optical illusion.

My opinion, some people let themselves be psyched, now it is time to owe up, the image does not need to be " defaulted to "You just never know."

My example of a box with a Rolex watch in it. Would you insist to another that you accept there is a such a watch in the box? Not even to humor those who want others to believe it is something other then what ( for the deal) it is suggested to be?

Your obvious tact of lead bagging the thread is most elementary in nature, are you that desperate to believe?

I'm sorry you seem to think i'm knocking people down - That wasnt intentional. I was merely asking for them to elaborate on why they thought it was a reflection and such. I can understand why that may not have come across right XD

I guess its cased closed then. Good discussion :)

It is a rather convincing anomily, this I agree on, so much indeed that I feel there is still a " mystery" around this. Was this " apperition" planned?

The finish in the room, and the emptiness of the house creates ideal conditions for such optical illusions. I wonder though, they want to make NeverLand the West Coast " Grace Land" yet the place is void of any design characteristics of the one time pop icon. Wouldnt it be a tad Generic?

well there is too much that we can nto see to say either way

No it is rather accepted by the masses, that that is a shadow. There is however nothing to support any conclusion that it is " unexplainable, ergo a ghost".

To think outside the box though, what would be a challenge to skeptics.

Had the image not had an origin point.

Had the Image not been both on the wall, and appear to be suspended in mid air.

There is enough to support the conclusion that it is an optical illusion.

Its a tech guy walking in front of a stage light...nothing spooky or scary or ghost.

MICHAEL Jackson fans are in a frenzy over a possible sighting of the star's GHOST at Neverland.

An eerie shadow resembling Jacko's figure appeared on a wall in the singer's former home during a live television programme last week - and walked across the corridor. It moved quickly from left to right before disappearing.

The spooky sighting came during CNN's 'Inside Neverland', which featured an interview between interviewer Larry King and Michael's brother Jermaine.

Neither the presenter nor the cameraman noticed the spectre. But after it was posted on YouTube fans picked up the shadow and rumours spread across the internet like wildfire.

During the programme - aired a week after his death - Miko Brando, Marlon's son and a long-term friend of Jackson's, takes a film crew on a tour of Neverland.

At one point their camera is pointed down a long hall-way when the shadowy figure appears at its far end.

Chat forums were flooded with messages from fans last night who insisted the shadow was Michael's ghost.

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I can't honestly believe how 'dumb'! people can be, sometimes I wish I were in another era.

The link:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2518485/Fans-claim-that-Michael-Jacksons-ghost-has-been-spotted-at-Neverland.html

http://seriouslyomg.com/?p=11419 ---> I can't believe what i read there. haha

I have to say that's quite compelling. Not sure if it is a spirit but would you really say that MJ is at peace after his life story is told?

I agree with whom ver said it was a camera guy and or a lighting guy..

I say is a pony, but you know i can always be wrong.

I saw that article also and laughed. I still think it is nothing or just a stupid prank by someone.

Who really cares anyways.......Michael Jackson was a drug addicted has been............he only became famous do to the Parodies from Weird Al' Yankovic.

The first thing I will say is that I have NOT read all of the responses. Having to scroll side to side gives me a headache(tiny screen). What the image looks like to me is something that happens on my tv all the time. I'm not sure if it's a faulty cable or what, but on some channels on my tv, I will get ghosting of images on other channels. Or even from the same show I watching, but the ghost is a few seconds ahead.

That is a once common effect of rebroadcast stations that also had fair reception to distant towers. I have read digest of people who thought their TV was showing the future.. " ?"

This is a local effect, but broadcasters have potential to be streaked, smugged, and sometimes ( as fight club demonstrates) the stock footage can be " taken liberity of".

I would gather a crew of effect artist, on the DL to rig the ranch.. or was that already a movie with Peter 'Otole, and Darral Hanna?

I did notice the shadow and how it walked conpletely though the wall like it wasn't there It was very interesting. I honestly couldn't deterimine if it was a hoax or not. I hope MJ is at peace and resting. He had such a drama filled life he deserves to at least have peace in death.

I am closing this thread as it is beyond discussion now. It's gone somewhat off topic too.