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Koorine
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Okay the whole word "Genocide means"

The deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.

Now if such a race as your beloved Vampires or Werewolves/Lycans.....or any creature for that matter.

Do you think the human race would commit genocide against it if we humans somehow evolved as can happen and that came out of it.

What do you think would be the Consequences??
The reactions??

A Mass Panic or something else......




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Not exactly sure what you are asking. I'm taking this to mean:

Would humans start a genocide if nocturnal beings stepped out of darkness and revealed themselves to a world bathed in blinding light? (so that was a little more dramatic than in needed to be...)

I don't think it would trigger a mass slaughter. The key to a some type of significant reaction would have to be a mass display of force/power/proof of super natural powers as though there is no known genetic marker to empirically prove the existence of nocturnal beings. Most likely I think we could see the emergence of more KKK and Fred Phelps type groups.

I can easily see the legal system being used to sanction denial of rights, property and potential imprisonment for suspected dangerous activity.

You never know the FDA could decide Vampirism or Lycanthropy is a "disease or medical condition" opening the door for big profits to be gained by pharmaceutical companies, holistic healers and counseling professionals to cure us of the demons. The sale of blood or the acceptance of Donor websites (like dating sites) might even become legal, with the assessment of substantial local, state and federal taxes of course.



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Koorine
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Okay firstly thank you for your view that is what I was wondering about most.

But what is it and why do you think those things is that like a obvious response or is it like something to say in the absence of what is knowledge??



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Seems as though the answer to this would be a case of WWII research. What did you think of the Holocaust? It was basically a mass genocide of the Jew.

How do you think society felt? Well, according to research and the as seen on the documentary channels such as the History, Discovery, Learning etc. More then half the world was devistated because of it.

It really does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that a mass genocide of any race, culture or society would be devistating to a semi-compassionate world.



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I'm sorry, but the question is still a bit underdeveloped. Would you mind breaking down what you're asking in this thread? Because, asking if the genocide of fictional characters is not that much to work with in a discussion. It's too broad. Underdeveloped... and well, fictional characters. Can't say the world would be put off any emotional axis because someone killed of the Smurfs, for example.



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Ok if I have your question right, would humans commit mass genocide in regards to vampires or werewolves. I think they would yes. Human beings don't like the unknown or a group that is not on their level.

So supernatural beings with powers greater than that of a human. Yes humans will slaughter them to the last man.

Not all will have that feeling, many small groups would side with the supernatural beings and fight for their right to exist. But the majority will drown them out due to panic and destroy everything they can.

Its simple human nature.



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The question is underdeveloped. You have to speak of which kind of vampire/lycan you're talking about.

If you mean vampires like Dracula or 30 Days of Night, yes I believe they should be stamped out.

If you are talking about vampires like in the movie Perfect Creature then, I say they have a right to life. I like to believe vampires would exsist to the benefit of mankind as, they would be a part of it.

Lycans I cannot speak on as I really don't know much about them.



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First off, given the apparently multitude of directions this could and is going, genocide... regardless of motivation... is not warranted. If a "30 Days of Night" scenario emerged in which one group is warring against another, then you defend yourself as one would in war. However, even such a scenario does not justify genocide of the other culture, race, species, etc., as motivated simply for them being members of that group. For example, in WWII, we fought the Nazis... but that didn't mean we would have been justified in genocide against all Germans.

As regards the question of Human "evolution" somehow, someday having us "evolve" beyond the desire for genocidal possibliities... I don't think this will ever happen. Every new generation of Humanity will always have its darker natures to battle and overcome; it is inherent to Life itself to learn and progress so as to learn to choose Light over Darkness, Good over Evil, Right over Wrong... and the idea of "evolving" beyond this seems as unlikely as children "evolving" beyond the need to go to school and... likewise... learn in that manner.

As regards fictional creatures... I think the premise here is not to imagine genocide of the truly fictional, but a morality hypothetical should it be that those thought to be fictional (namely vampires/werewolves/etc.) turned out to reveal themselves as ... real. Would Humanity be motivated to genocide?


- Upir'



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19:51:42 Aug 02 2009
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Okay you all need to hold your shotguns and aim them before shooting.

-means give me a chance to explain before crippling me down to my knees-

One the question is there if you read you all are just failing to see it because you "the people" are so used to talking about fictional stuff.

SS,

Now I want opinions not history I know what happened then ss the world has changed since that time and you know it.


Alright as for talking about fictional characters lady.....

I said if and when we "the humans" evolve sometime in the future and that is what happens.

My questions were clear how do you think we would react.

What do you think would happen.

It is not my fault if you fail to see this so dont blame it on me saying my questions are un-clear just because you dont want to spend the time to give a good understanding and statement on the matter.



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Now secondly please forget this is a future-drived thread and so stop bringing in past things of what you have read or seen or know.

I am asking for you opinion not that of someone else's.

Thank you ophelia,

Someone who took the time to answer and read and why is it you say I mean what do you mean by "simple human nature"??

Break that down please.



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Koorine
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20:03:52 Aug 02 2009
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Now upir,

Thank you for your time and what you have said in this discussion.

Now.......would it lead us to genocide us meaning "humans".

My personal opinion is that I think honesly we would split in half on the matter.

Because we would have people that would want these vast powers for themselves or for there use.

Or even just single people wanting to join there clans or whatever it is they are because of there interest in immortality really.

But lets go past the usual description of a newer breed of human evolution.

If they evolved to you think we would be ready for such a thing as that??



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20:30:03 Aug 02 2009
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Question... would humans commit mass genocide in regards to vampires or werewolves??

Answer... yes

Reason... A Belief system.

Whether you are religious or not fact is 85% of all life on earth believes in some form of higher power. Although it would be much too simplistic to suggest that religion causes genocide and crimes against humanity, it nevertheless is true that religious people, prompted by religious motivations and employing religious symbols, have committed mass atrocities. Any form of Vampire or Lycan acknowledgment would go against the teachings of most religious believe systems. A long tradition of this exists in Europe, with early examples being the Crusades, the destruction of Jewish communities and the Inquisition's bloody assaults on the Cathars of Montsegur and Montaillou.

The witch-hunts of the 17th century were generally provoked by campaigns of denunciation often initiated by children or nuns. Those who were accused were then tortured until they confessed, although some died in the process. Show trials were often held, and convictions generally resulted in capital punishment. Historians believe that anywhere between 50,000 and 200,000 people were killed in the European witch-hunts.
Victims were portrayed as being evil and unclean. Nevertheless, because most alleged victims were women, some have described these witch-hunts as "gendercide."
If you think those kinds of attitudes and ideologies no longer exist??
As A Catholic what they thing about Paganism.



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Koorine
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21:04:49 Aug 02 2009
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Okay I understand where your answers and all that come from. ~LS

But what is your own personal opinion on this matter if you didnt have that information you just presented what would you do??

I want you "the people" to realize one thing I want your opinion of what you would do because although mass would commit such atorcities what a few like you do.

I want to break the parameters of thinking and aknowledgement where are opinions are based on past references.

I want to break free of that constriction and break in new opinions of this age not 2 or 3 or 4 or 16 centuries ago.



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00:43:50 Aug 03 2009
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Wow Fallenknight , no nipples please.... ugh!



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00:49:15 Aug 03 2009
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peoples please start posting exactly what fallen knight wants to hear!

Better yet Fallen Knight why not just message me my opinion.

See an opinion is best presented with supporting factors, weather they be "fact", fact, or fiction.



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In such a scenario, people are forgetting cryptozoologists.

As soon as word publicly got out by gossip and trusted media. Cryptos would step in, and claim them as an endangered species until they can see or estimate ALL populations.

They would be studied extensively until proven whether or not that they are a threat.

I honestly, do not think any creature would be killed, unless an attack was made on their part.

So no. Not until they were identified.

And of course since they are intelligent beings, imagine how much of a severe turn politics and laws would take.

Would they disregaurd the constitution all together or create a new one?

It would be a curious world.

Churches of Christian faith would surely tremble at the thought of such beings.

And KKK members and all of the like as well.

But alternative faiths: wicca, satanism, and etc. would welcome them and protect them with open arms.



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Koorine
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01:43:49 Aug 03 2009
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Why does everyone believe they need to support themselves with facts??

I gave you people a opinion w/o having to bring up history why is it everyone gets stuck in history.

Somebody asks a question and everyone runs to history for a answer and doesnt give there own un-baised opinion on the matter.

Maybe thats why we have so few thinkers of our time because everyone doesnt think for themselves anymore but just relies on someone else's opinion.

-I am closing this thread because it is pointless you got people putting pointless posts in here-

People who dont want to try something different.



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