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to all the mundanes (those who are not vampyres) what is your outlook on the whole vampyre scene,be it the true vampyre practicing community or the theatrical scene that represents vampirism in movies,plays and books and aesthetics

what do you think about it and do you have any interest in such things or do you as Mundanes try to keep clear from anything that is vampiric related? be it in a real or fictional way..feel free to share your thoughts and opinions.

also as a Mundane do you find yourself pretty open and excepting to vampirism in it's many ways as listed above or do you see yourself trying to keep away from such things? do you take it as a grian of salt or do you try to avoid such things.

lastly as a Mundane do you as a human have any questions ,concerns or ideas that envolve the real vampyre community or the vampiric theatrical scene such as movies,plays,books or aesthetic dress style.

Are you dead? No we arent dead. But obviously you havent donemuch research... All vampires arent undead. Even in some stories they arent.




As you are not dead, why do you seek to be so considered by others? Why are you so adamant to be regarded by those around you as a purely fictional being? We dont see ourselves as fictional. We dont claim we're immortal, die in sunlight, die from garlic, or even get all shiney in the sun.




And secondary to that question is the obvious follow-up: As the "vampires" you emulate are the product of fiction writers... how is this any different from those you see at sci-fi conventions or elsewhere trying to act like "Star Wars" or "Star Trek" characters, or who pretend to live as any other fictional characters?
Now your being dumb. Clearly you've done little to know research... Modern day vampirism is a medical condition that works the way a kid is born with aides and the virus does similiar things to get itself embedded. Star wars or trek would need a time machine to take them into the future and somehow still a long long time ago and a matter transporter to take them far,far away

Ah, yes, no doubt it is I who needs to do more research. My mistake, of course.


The dictionary defines a "Vampire" thusly:

1 : the reanimated body of a dead person believed to come from the grave at night and suck the blood of persons asleep


The other definitions given refer to the metaphorical:

2 a : one who lives by preying on others b : a woman who exploits and ruins her lover

from: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/VAMPIRE


As for "vampirism" being considered the same as other diseases such as (I think you meant...) AIDS, etc., there is not such medical condition listed with the AMA or elsewhere. The only location you can find such listed is as a "pyschological disorder" (http://www.lesvampires.org/clinical.html). And that is exactly part of my point, that those who consider themselves "vampires" are more than likely suffering from a potential psychological disorder given that... again... no one so claiming is anything but a mortal.


- Upir'

Upir, for someone who usually seems so well educated, you really are ignorant aren't you? We don't pretend to be the fictional vampires you see in Hollywood, in fact I myself find most modern movie vamps to be quite insulting. We have our own symptoms and cravings that Hollywood hasn't even begun to scratch the surface of. And we certainly don't pretend to be dead or immortal. We get sick, we age, we die. Sure the we may sometime looks younger then we are, have higher immune systems, and heal slightly faster, but all in all we're still human. Just a bit different than most humans are. I respect your views Upir, but don't assume your views are truth, As they say "One man's craziness is another man's reality" So please do more research ok? And now back to the topic at hand, I'd love to hear any body else's opinions. Just remember, opinions are just that, opinions. Doesn't make them fact.

to all the mundanes (those who are not vampyres) what is your outlook on the whole vampyre scene,be it the true vampyre practicing community or the theatrical scene that represents vampirism in movies,plays and books and aesthetics

So Robert Pattinson is not a "mundane" because he got a role on Twilight?

Also, according to Princeton Uni. the word "mundane" is not a noun but an adjective. A non-vampire can not be mundane however a vampire can be interested in the mundane affairs of their clan.

what do you think about it and do you have any interest in such things or do you as Mundanes try to keep clear from anything that is vampiric related? be it in a real or fictional way..feel free to share your thoughts and opinions.

also as a Mundane do you find yourself pretty open and excepting to vampirism in it's many ways as listed above or do you see yourself trying to keep away from such things? do you take it as a grian of salt or do you try to avoid such things.

lastly as a Mundane do you as a human have any questions ,concerns or ideas that envolve the real vampyre community or the vampiric theatrical scene such as movies,plays,books or aesthetic dress style.

So you're not human? Well what are you then? Even if vampirism was caused from some virus you'd still be human. If vampires were in such numbers as to fill VR with thousands of members it wouldn't be some state secret, there would be proof of some different species.

While all opinions are welcome in forum topics, yet respect and consideration for others is still... I believe... the foundational rule here. Is it not? Thus, lets try to stop the ad hominem attacks on others and stick to the topic at hand... shall we?

I have not called either of you names or disparaged you personally, yet both of you who have responded thus far have done so to me.


Now... if we might then move on to the actual topic, itself. Are you saying, then, that the term "Vampire" is simply open to one's own interpretation, whatever that may be, regardless of the word's actual definition? Are we to take from your words that "Vampire" just means whatever anyone wishes to make of it?

If so... then does not the term, itself, lose all meaning whatsoever, as would any word whose actual meaning is as varied and open-ended as you say?


- Upir'

Xzavier... as I hope is clear, my prior post was directed to SeraConner and JudasBrood, and obviously not to you. You make excellent points, of course, btw.

truely i am enjoying the comments on this topic! keep them coming
i have never been one to just agree with one just because someone is a vampyre nor do i just disagree because they are a non-vampyre

and my belief is you cannot call someone ignorant seraconor just because you disagree with thier opinions

there are many intelligent opinions i disagree with but never are they ignorant

Not at all Upir, I don't what others believe, but I personally believe that a vampire is someone who feeds on others in a higher than normal fashion, as an actual need and craving (not because they like to or think it's cool), to benefit themselves with a healthier body. The feeding is like water, you don't need straight water to live, you can drink almost any liquid to get the bodies minimum requirement in water (trust me I went years without drinking more than a sip of water a month), but the body works so much better when you drink 8 cups of water a day. The definition of vampire in the dictionary is for the fictional vamps in books and movies.

Correction on my former post, meant to say I don't know* what others believe. And true Mastermind, though i didn't mean to insult Upir, I'm saying ignorant as in it doesn't seem like he knows what a vampire is these days. I myself am ignorant to where the source of vampires come from, but I will have to look into what Upir stated in other posts as it does seem like a logical misconception in history. Anyone please excuse me if I come off as a bit insulting, I do not believe it is an insult to be called ignorant, we are all ignorant in a lot of things.

Do I believe in vampires as individuals who feed off energy etc..yeah I do. (yes I know that as a scientist is makes me look silly AYW but you smell funny so :P )

But you are not, not human and if you think that.. you have a mental problem. That isn't an opinion that's a fact.

I also find the term "mundane" in how it's used here just as offensive as nigger or any other term. I'm sure the author isn't meaning it as a derisive term but the fact remains that -- vampires are some great, powerful and secret sect, beyond the comprehension of mundanes and mundanes are just silly humans--

I'm a 1/4 Cherokee and I do have various Ameri-Indian beliefs such as spirit guides but I don't think that in some far off land in a time before time I *was* the animal that my spirit guide is.

You can have some affinity to dragons, vampires, wolves, dolphins or anything but that doesn't make you a vampire or werewolf nor does it mean you were one in some past life.

There's nothing wrong with being the human you were born as. There is something wrong with pathologically trying to separate yourself from it.

ewwww you said the N word shame shame shame lol

I like your words Xzavior. I personally don't know where the term mundane for non-vamps came from, I will say though that separating who you are from the body your born into isn't always bad or intentional. I myself have experience with that, though it's not about being a vamp so I'm not posting it here.

I can say any word I want even if it's icky! lol

Like I said I'm sure that isn't how you meant it but it doesn't really apply to those living in the year 2009, vampire or not.

Zxavier: I agree with you wholeheartedly on the mundane bit, but curiosity got the better of me. I looked up the word and thought you 'd get a kick out of this page:

Bloody Mundanes

upir, if the '"name-calling" comment was towards me i wasnt calling you dumb nor was i attacking you i worded it wrong and no offense was meant. but back on point. I didnt come up with a baseless arguement on the "virus"i refered to


The endogenous retrovirus belief

Yale University ''Endogenous retroviruses contribute to the evolution of the host genome and can be associated with disease.'' The belief that being a vampire was caused by a disease dates back at least as far as the black plague. Making this far from being a new belief, and the black plague happened long before movies were even thought of. Meaning this is defnitely not due to the latest vampire movie, or any vampire or non-vampire movie for that matter.

http://vector.bcm.tmc.edu ''endogenous retroviruses are a sub-category of oncoviruses that include the lentiviruses. endogenous retroviruses are negative single-stranded RNA viruses in which tRNA serves as a primer for the mRNA synthesis. The mRNA is then reverse transcribed into DNA, which is then integrated into the chromosome at a multiplicity of sites, particularly those that are transcriptionally active.''

The main reason behind why real vampirism isn't as widely believed as one would think, is due to a failure of the general public's' understanding of the endogenous retrovirus referred to as V5. A majority of the general public doesn’t believe, and do not want to believe, that human DNA can be altered in such a way to create such a being.

The term 'Real Vampire' for purpose of this site is going to be used as a medical term and therefore must be separated from the 'Vampire' myths, such as Dracula. A Viral Vampire is an infected human. Though the DNA in the host human has been greatly altered, the organism remains human in the medical sense, as the number of chromosomes have not been changed. The entire human race has the same number of chromosomes. The number of chromosomes is what separates humans and animals (except for those born with Down's Syndrome - these people have an extra copy of chromosome 21 but are, of course, human). It must be kept in mind that DNA can be altered in many ways. Many endogenous retroviruses can alter their DNA to become stronger and survive even more intolerable conditions. This is what happens with the human DNA with the V5 endogenous retrovirus

sorry left out part


Technically the Real Vampire is still a human. However, for sake of discussion let us think of viral Vampires as non-human or as the next step in human evolution. This is difficult to believe because many of the attributes of a Real Vampire are considered far more developed than those of a human. Strength, speed, enhanced mental and/or psychic abilities, the ability to digest human and animal blood more efficiently are but a few of the differences. The reason this happens is the basic human DNA is altered by the endogenous retrovirus. The endogenous retrovirus, which we call V5, is NOT the same virus as HIV. To simplify, it is transmitted through a simple exchange of blood which can later be passed on either through birth or the more traditional way of an exchange of blood.

Through birth, the child inherits the retrovirus, passed on from the mother or father. The parent may have become infected with the endogenous retrovirus from some other member of their family such as a cousin, aunt, brother, etc., and thus the retrovirus is passed onto the newborn. Rarely are both parents infected, i.e., real vampires themselves. The passing of the endogenous retrovirus to the child from the parent produces a biological vampire child. The V5 is passed onto the newborn much the same way the other seven endogenus retroviruses that separate humans from chimpanzees are passed from mother to child. Every normal human being all ready has ten endogenous retroviruses three of which are shared with chimpanzees. The other seven are only found in humans.

According to Yale university as well as other well respected universities these are the difference that make humans more evolved than the chimpanzee. In such a child, the endogenous retrovirus remains dormant until the catalyst of the onset of puberty. The release of hormones is believed to activate the endogenus retrovirus system. Meaning it really is not a stretch to say that introducing one or more new endogenous retroviruses to a human will cause them to become a vampire, in effect giving the vampire some definite new advantages.

The effects of the V5 endogenous retrovirus then take a number of years during later childhood growth to become completely effective, i.e. active in the system from its previously dormant state in the child's body. In most cases, the child assumes that it is just the normal changes that happen to everyone during puberty, and generally thinks no more of it. It is also believed that the blood chemical make-up of the individual is also responsible in determining if the child will be fully affected by the endogenous retrovirus and thus DNA altered. (When the exchange of blood happens, the endogenous retrovirus adapts to the newly introduced blood chemical make up, which is what allows a real vampire to take on the strengths from the one that they have received the blood from, thereby allowing it to become compatible with the new potential host.) As with Inheritors, it takes traditional vampires a while to develop the full blown endogenous retrovirus after being infected. (Most of the changes happen within the first 3 days, roughly 70-80%. The remaining changes happen over the next few years.)

Relatively newly discovered

V5 is closely related to many other viruses such as the common flu virus and the HIV virus. V5 is not the HIV virus but works in much the same way when infecting the host. Another reason the reality and cause of vampirism in today's modern world is not more commonly known, is because many members of the public or medical establishment do not know of the existence of V5. Why do they not know of it? Because unlike the Ebola virus and the Black Plague which have been named and dated, V5 in the scheme of the medical world is relatively new, and not deadly. That is not to say that it has just been stumbled across in modern times but it has existed in the shadows of humanity for a millennium without a definite name. V5 has only been known for a relatively short time, many years to be sure, but in regard to other viruses, a short time.

It has been many years now that several doctors in several parts of the USA and Europe have known about and been actively studying the V5 and its victims. These studies have been accomplished by long range, personal, and one-on-one research with these infected people.

Why so secretive?

The same reason as with any other discovery. Once released, the doctors and researchers will gain money, fame and reputation. Not to mention grants, and the licensing of new drugs, etc.

A few years ago, it was discovered that V5 is related to the HIV virus. We began telling people then of an impending breakthrough in a vaccine for HIV. A vaccine for HIV was discovered from the link to the vampire endogenous retrovirus. During the month of June 1998, both NBC and ABC first gave the announcement of a new HIV vaccine.

Just prior to that release, the news announced a gene, newly discovered, that lengthened the life of a fruit fly by twice its normal life span. That gene, in an insect, was gained from gene mapping, isolating, and gene construction, and the same is possible and already being done with humans. Is it a coincidence, maybe?





Think for a moment what the full impact of such ramifications would mean.

What would happen to the nation's, to the world's, population if real vampires were proven to be real? Real, but unlike the myths or legends.

First off i am not understanding the answer you are looking for, with that said upir i think you are being a bit unfair with your replys on said subject matter. If there is one thing that i have learned is in ths life we tend to make our own reality ie we all have the right to belive what we will. One thing one of my teachers told me is if a man goes into his driveway and thinks in his mind and feals in his heart that his gravel pile is his "god" and that is his honest fealings then who am i to judge? The same could be said about beng Vamp(y)ier if somone in there mind of minds and heart of hearts feal that they are who are we to challange it?

We have talked about the V5 and the other subjects many times here,so Ill refrain from touching on those.But the one thing that seems to be stuck in some minds is the fact that Vamps have higher senses..not true! that they have better immune systems..not true.I h avent had so much as a cold in over 20 years. I dont get sick.I heal very fast etc,etc...Yet,Im not a Vamp.But I do know of self proclaimed vampires who are sick all the time.So that stuff is out the window as far as Im concerned.I think we need to look at other avenues in order to really find what is going on with vampires.Judas..I wanted to ask you if you have even read Upir's work before making your comment about research?You might want to before you state something like that.
And open mind comments,this has become utterly rediculous because we wouldnt even be here if we werent open minded.Some of us research this subject aLOT,only to find that most of it is getting debunked.So it has to be something that either we are not seeing or arent looking clearly at.
As far as the 'mundane" thing...I think that whole concept,to put it as nicely as possible?
Is nothing but ego bullshit talking.
Sorry.

yeah i know about upir i had to retract my statements earlier after I lokked at his profile. But yeah ill admit he DID do research unlike alot of his vamp bashing colleagues lol

You must understand Judas,that there are those who have been at this for a while...they have followed many avenues only to find that things simply just arent there to back up most ideas about vampires.We are ready for something new.So when this same old things iie: the mundane thing,faster,stonger,smater keeps getting brought up as what makes a Vampire..it gets old.Presenting the same evidence over and over.And its in the archives plain as day...yet no one bothers to look.
It would just be real nice to have some kind of fresh conversation on the subject.

As far as any concerns i have about a vampiric community or anyone calling themselves a vampyr... is the uneducated, and those quickly to define themselves words or terms that we really have zero proof of.
If we do, then by all means i would love for you to share it.
I agree with the posts made by Upir and Xavier because they tend to make the most sense to me by far.

There are very few vampires who are actually dead and even fewer who keep true to their kind. Most of my friends are physic vamps and I find myself quite comfortable in their company.

I don't believe in "walking vampires" (humans that believe they are vampires), nor do I believe in vampires like "Dracula".

I believe you can live the vampiric lifestyle, and that's okay. But if you live the lifestyle and can't differentiate between "real" and "fantasy, then you should get a psyche evaluation.

I do however believe in people that feed off energy or blood or both, for whatever reason that maybe.

But I don't believe that you have to be "vampiric" or label yourself something special/fictional/powerful in order to do it.

People are strange mentally and physically, whether you're human, a vampire, preppy, or goth. Doesn't matter.

For me the attraction was the way people of the occult sem to understand exactly who and what they are without doubt. Then I wanted to know more and more. Vampyres of every culture. Then I learned about energy manipulation and went from there.

Nothing compells me to accept any claims made by those who are convinced they are vampires. In your post you glare "Stay away from." saying it 5 times, to me this is telling. it is consistantly "We are vampire." and then nothing to ammend the dominate fictional based definition. Perhaps it is time to get a new nomiclature, Oh master Mind.. would theatrics include wearing effect contacts?

The whole idea that "mundanes" are do deluded by the fiction of vampires, is laughable.. when no facts (to be deluded from) are offered by the "vampire community".

After reading through the thread, I find it very obvious that each person convinced they are a vampire is out for themselves. Sara openly states, she has no idea of a working ammended definition of what "qualifies her as a vampire." Then all that is left after that is what does'nt qualify as a "living vampire".


I am with Xzaviers post on this. It is a harsh light those who feel compelled to convince "mundanes" that they are the ones in the "know".

All I personally would like to see is a summation of the collective "definition".

Though a Logical fallecy is presented.. "We cannot say what makes us vampires, because others that claim to be vampires (as well as "mundanes") will be critical of us.

This thread is a knee jerk reaction to two other threads.

It is extreamly faux pas to ever call someone a mundane.
It's like going up to someone in the club and calling them a Touron, they may be one... but it is declase' in the extreme, and indicates that you have only recently left the realm of being one yourself.

JudasBrood, you should think twice before posting a link which really has no scientific data to support the claim. I have researched info of the v5 retro virus and aside from what vampiric sites claim about it, i find no easy explanation that I can really comprehend for certain. The only thing I can possibly fathom from it, is that it is a genetic trait along with many others, that allow or encourage people to get cancers and other diseases.

I have found no SCIENTIFIC claims, that connect v5 to vampirism, and everything i read is in such technical terms and descriptions, that it would take a professional in the area of gene coding to decipher for the rest of us. Please, stop being like others and hopping on the band wagon of the movie UltraViolet. And yes, i have read that supposedly this v5 virus idea was around before the movie, and that's why they named the virus in the movie v5. But again, there is no proof for even this claim.

End and Point.

Well the "doctor of VR" has something to say :)

Endogenous retroviruses (ERV) are derived from a very ancient infection of cells in vertebrates (which we are) and due to their nature they stay in the genome.

To say that a human infected with an ERV will have their DNA greatly altered is beyond ignorant of biological and genetic processes.

The genetic difference between chimps and humans is around 95%, ERVs make up about 8% of a persons DNA. ERVs can also be removed from the hosts DNA by a process of recombinational deletion and most are only infective for a short period of time. 80-95% of DNA is "junk DNA", that is DNA with no known role, and since the bulk of ERVs sit back quietly and do nothing it's safe to say that some of it would qualify as "junk ERV".

With that in mind to say ERVs are what give the main differences between chimps and humans is also rather um.. false.

Now, ERVs can play an evolutionary role however, about 99% of ALL mutations are negative and tend to lead to a self-extinguishing species. A fair amount of evolutionary potent ERVs cause things like cancer and autoimmune diseases. Unless you vampires are willing to say "we have a disease and need to be cured" I doubt you'll want to jump on the "V5" bandwagon.

A lot of ERVs aren't full viruses, in fact, many are just fragments of an original viral infection which could have occurred literally millions of years ago. And since humans haven't been around for millions of years......you and you and you..vamps and non-vamps are pretty much the same.

There is a type of ERV known to have been introduced since chimps and humans diverged. It's known as HERV-k (HML2) and it makes up only 1% of human ERVs (something like 0.08% of DNA give or take a zero lol). Most infectious types of HERV-K (HML2) are known to be less likely to be active than any other form so the probability that there is some strain that can infect (with the same results over and over) is pretty damn small.

The notion that secrecy is needed or else drug companies will make a profit makes me laugh.

IF you are a doctor, how long have you been a practicing doctor?
I do like the information you have provided thus far.

And you laugh at the idea of drug companies making tons of money off of medicine? That in itself is a laugh, because they do! Well, the inventors of it who sell it, the FDA and all the companies that buy into drug stock.

Xzavier could be "the doctor" - TimeLord...owner of the Tardis?

The drugies companies are not willing to share their inventions with the thirdworld contries... (cheaper drugs)

Ohh. If for some whois or not a "Vampire", then that is their life not mine or others. I do thank them for having a nother situation in life where it isn't part of the normal ways...for something different. And why should a vampire should or not share their life and/or lifestyle on VampireRave? Because they arrive here to expres how they feel, so they can be with their own kind to get to know others. And even to help the "lowbies" of the vampire community to help them to get started in thier new life. And as for other vampires, I do also want to thank them for being on VampireRave, so I can share in their way of life, as if they would or not tell me. I have had many conversations with some of the members on VampireRave, and I have found them to be enjoyable.

- What's a "vampyre practicing community" ? Like , bloodsucker camp ? Fake fangs and/or nail files ?
I'll assume you're referring to the bunch of people claiming to be supernatural beings , somewhere above [or below , depending on your self esteem] regular humans .
In that case , what I think about it , well .. it's not looking good :)

note: I resent the use of "mundane" to refer to a regular human being . You .. you .. monster ?

- I find myself open to anything . Although in this case , I would require proof .
Mr. Upir made some good points , if you're a vampire in the true sense of the word , produce the death certificate . If not , I suggest you call yourself something else , less the real (flying , blood sucking , undead) vampires file a lawsuit against you D:

- Lastly , no , I don't have any questions about vampires . I would never presume to know half of what you do , but if I do have any questions , I'll be sure to google it first .

ok first, i didnt write the thesis in the virus so dont act like im ignorant. 2nd i understand some of you have been here alot longer than me. But in my opinion alot of people here are either unable to grasp the concept of the virus, dont want to believe, or in upir or xaviers case truly understand the message but just think there are flaws or innaccurate information. Im not trying to uproot what anyone believes just trying to say what i feel is right

I'm with gordon on this one. Why, on a site meant to be a resource for vampires and those living the vampiric lifestyle whether they are or are not vampires, are there so many people that seem to only be here to only say our beliefs are wrong and that we can't be vamps because we're not the one hollywood portrays? I don't care if anyone believes I'm a vampire or not, but this is a site for us who do believe we are to talk and share our lifestyles. If you don't believe vampires are real and all you want to do is tell people they aren't vamps, why are you here? Even if your RPing as a vamp there's no need to argue who's what and who's not. If your not into vamps, read the site description, "A place for real vampires and goths to gather". It seems the same as walking into a church and yelling "your god is false". It's just rude and unnecessary.

Let me add that I'm not saying those that say vamps don't exist shouldn't be here. I merely ask why are you here? Which Angelus has posted a thread for and I look forward to seeing the replies.

Apparently us mudanes are drawn in some form to be here and discuss vampiric related topics and issues. Some of us like the fantasy, some of us might have a vampiric story to share or some strange experiences that lead us to be here, and maybe some of us mudanes that do not believe ourselves to be anything but mortal might actually have some similiarities linked to traits a vampire claims to have themselves. :)

Judasblood, you keep saying things like, "Don't want to believe. as in "mundanes" are blind to the obvious, I don't share your conviction, and you offer nothing of substance to compell me to believe.. yet alone be convinced that you are anything but human.. a human with identity issues.

it is a fallecy of logic to default to "if you don't believe what I do, then you are afraid to, or don't want to."

Have you no concept of imagination? Because most people simply imagine what you believe/are convicted of. It appears those who identify as vampires are afraid to offer anything of substance to support their claims, and the rest are fishing. If their was anything substancial to support the conviction, I am assured it would be on banners under "We Told You So!"

Ah, i was waiting on it... Another insult huzzah! but did i say that you didnt want to believe? No. I was implying SOME not all people are like that. Identity issues? No. Ive just realised that i am more. No im not a different species or anything i mean im different because i see everything for what it is,everyone as they are,people as individuals not groups. Im not "evolved" the only differences between us is ive labeled myself something out if the norm because im not a normal "sheep" if you will, that weill never aspire to anything more than conformity in society's stranglehold on the general population

Right idenity issues, fits fine.


So you assume an idenity, because you fear being labeled normal.. or mundane.. the same reason a fraction of people jumped on the goth band wagon, but goth is not longer unique, so the social maladapts reached for a new tangent identity.

So i have an identity issue because i dont want 2 be part of the main stream/pop culture? If so fine... Although, i always thought identity issues were when you didnt know who you were, which is false, i know exactly who i am. Maybe its you that have identity issues because maybe(note: i didnt say for sure because i dont know you)you are to caught up in society's expectations for you and want to be individual but are stuck in a crossroads because you dont know which you would rather have, social acceptance or self respect and your not alone, most people in the general population feel the same way

Are you human JudusBlood? Do you have an imagination?

Yes and dont we all?

Thanks. First and foremost you are human. A human that practices based on a crafted idealism, based on an interpretation of an iconic figure. nothing wrong with that. But to impose that on others as "a norm" is counter productive to your practice.

Im not trying to force anything on anyone. Ideas or practices.

Though the base of your practice is what qualifies you as what you accept as a vampire, correct. It is not so much a difference in youre physiology, but your practice?

Thanks for your candor.

No problem. And it is more practice than physiology but i cant help but feel different from others. Could be psychological but im not sure so i wont rule out either possibility

See that is a mid point, while all the bickering clashes.. few seldomly hash out what is agreeable.

Agreed. People are to quick to jump to a conclusion with baseless ideas

It is just that people file the beliefs, and practices of others by relevance. It makes a person no less. To file what you present under imagination, and or personal practice.

I sould add, Judas blood you make an effort where others with generic idealism "shell up".

A notable difference.

Thanks for that and yeah im not going to just say. "Vampires are this or that imright because i said so kthxbye" lol i actually try to show other people why i fee or dont feel something is as i percieve, not that im always right it's just i use what amount of common sense and reasoning and have an educated opinion on most of the topics i talk about

you make a valid distinction in your presentation.

Which is rare in those with "band wagon" intent.

If i can slander my own people, most people who claim to be like me or like minded are only there for the glittering generalities they think they get or perks, if you will, from having said ideas and titles when in all actuality they are looking for another form of conformity while trying to look rebellious/out cast/different whatever kids these days say

They thrive on "wowing' others. Thankfully it is often a phase. Sadly in most subcultures such behavior often creates fall-out for the local chapters. Hells Angels dealt with this for a number of years.

They feed on the "shock-factor" many musicians love to create. It acts as a heroin of sorts

If they say to someone, "I am a vampire.", and the person replies with indifference, they are very likely to shift into more fantastical claims.. example:"I am vampire, and I can make people do my bidding."

They feed off a (for lack of a better word at the moment) big exciting reaction. The more beligerent the reaction the happier they become

ok mundanes and vampyres. no matter how you toss it up it's going to be a subject that has no means to an end. nor will there be any means of true understanding and acceptance of what other believe and practice. By taking such a subject to personal does it really matter to any of you as long as you know what you and are secure of that fact.

Well to truly understand something you must be able to grasp all sides of the concept even if you dont nessecarily agree with them or if it goes against what you believe. Ill give an example... I used to go to a Holiness Church in VA. If you have been to one you know what its like, if you havent, you have no idea. But now im satanist and have been to CoS and a theistic satanist church. I know both sides and have my opinion and know which category i fall into and have a very good understanding of both parties

What they have that "vampires" lack is a mission statement.

who?

a mission statement. A general account of the object of a belief.

No lol i know what it means which were u talking about Christians or Satanists? Or both?

I'm not an MD, though I am a dr...as in PhD. The "dr of VR" comes from the fact that I do hold medical licenses and answer about 15+ medical questions from VR members every week.

Yeah drug companies make money but that's not a bad thing. It's called commerce, if they never made a profit they wouldn't make the drugs that save millions of lives every year. My "laugh" was aimed at the notion that the only reason to keep the real secret of vampires secret was just because they (drug co) would make money and the inventors would gain fame. To me that's a dumb reason.


To the other member-

As for me calling you ignorant. Theres a little rule on VR, if you copy/paste something you have to list your source and link. Most of what you wrote also was not in " " so I assumed you wrote all the parts about humans DNA being greatly altered and it being the source of vampires. Now I doubt any university would have written that.

Yeah ok i wasnt calling you ignorant if its me your reffering to and id be more than happy to give you the link if you need. But everything there was there when i posted i added nothing to it.

Yes I would very much like some links to any respected organisation that said the following:

"A Viral Vampire is an infected human. Though the DNA in the host human has been greatly altered.....

The effects of the V5 endogenous retrovirus then take a number of years during later childhood growth to become completely effective, i.e. active in the system from its previously dormant state in the child's body. In most cases, the child assumes that it is just the normal changes ......

and where viruses like "V5" .......these are the difference that make humans more evolved than the chimpanzee."


And just a quick request to everyone, could we keep single line replies to minimum, especially if it's just replying to some general comment because I don't want this thread to be closed for length just because half of the posts are things like "oh yeah I forgot about that"

In my opinion everyone is a conformist. There isn't a hairstyle, outfit, thought, or feeling that hasn't occured in this world. Nor will it be the last.

I agree with Xzavier, I don't think a college would do such a study, and if they did where was the media attention on such a subrace?

Thank you xzavier, I have seen this subject of it being a viral infection many times in many different places. I also believe that they have an actual scientific definition for a vampyre. I'll have to look it up and find it.

Ok dabbler I do have to disagree with your "mission statement" statement. Have you ever looked into what a vampyric house is about? I personally think not. Now please before making a comment such as that in which you may actually be wrong about please research something fully before stating something as a fact which is not true. Thank you.

As far as being open minded not each individual has a different aspect or view on being open minded. i believe this because not all individuals are alike and have different experiences, beliefs and of course knowledge base. Even a group consists of different individuals and no two are alike and each are unique in their own way. So being open minded can be different for all.

For example since religon seems to always be brought up in these topics for some odd reason. But I have given many religons a chance to grow on me and never really downgrading them because of a few concepts I may have not agreed upon.But seeing that their intentions were of course to spread the word of god. But even giving it the time and the day to learn of them I will simply say these beliefs are just not for me.

Thank you

just post links to mission statements of vampire comminuties then. A simple way to counter the post.

Sry but I don't feel comfortable doing such a thing. That requires permission from these communities in which I do not have to give you such information.

psh.

mission statesments are public information.
these groups post it on their websites.

for example; here's the mission statement for the AVA (Atlnata Vampire Alliance)
clicky

So you can planly see how pointless it is to be so brash with your post. As if this info is billboarded. How convient that you have access to something so "secretive", then you berate me for simply stating their is nothing evident that summarizes the mission statement of Vampire Comminities. Grand dodge, I can only conclude that there is no such info.

very true mission statements are open for the public to read in most cases

I simply said I am not comfortable with revealing anything of the sort to you. I will not without permission. If others would care to do so than they shall but I won't. It is not as if your seeking to understand and are sincere. If i'm wrong than tell me I am..

*Chuckles* My word, I am gone for two days and come back to a thread that seems to be a boxing match about semantics. What is this forum coming to? Roleplayers call for the term mundane when speaking about human beings, I think ~Xzavier~ has proven his point wonderfully.

I think we need to step outside the box in regards to this thread and look at it from another angle. Without the personal jabs and insults by the "pretentious" ones, and actually use some common sense when in discussions relating to a broad term like "vampire."

Modern day vampirism? This makes me laugh hysterically. Since when did this actually become a term? By those within the medical and scientific professions? I think not. Thus, I will respond to this statement:

"Modern day vampirism is a medical condition that works the way a kid is born with aides and the virus does similiar things to get itself embedded. Star wars or trek would need a time machine to take them into the future and somehow still a long long time ago and a matter transporter to take them far,far away"

Clearly it is you that need to commit to a bit of research. Neither is vampirism a modern day "ailment," virus, or medical condition. Get a clue already. As far as the roleplayers analogy of the Star Wars theme, we really need to quit with the contradictions already, and grow up.

Show me the proof, document or otherwise that vamprism is in fact a virus, or medical condition. These two concepts are pure speculation to try and prove that the "Human Living Vampire" actually exists within the word today. People really need to quit coming up with poor excuses to describe themselves what they are not.

"We don't pretend to be the fictional vampires you see in Hollywood, in fact I myself find most modern movie vamps to be quite insulting."

No, you just pretend to be the actually living breathing organism that is such a broad term to be stereotyped than anyone without a clear conscience, or naive personality will believe anything that you say.

"I personally don't know where the term mundane for non-vamps came from"

The term itself was brutilized in the game Vampires: The Masquerade. I thought all "modern day" "human living" vampires knew that... Huh. *Shrugs*

~Judasblood~ it would help and benefit the vampirerave to state the sources of the links that you provide. Without doing so may be called plagurism and is not allowed on the Rave.

As far as this passage goes:

"- What's a "vampyre practicing community" ? Like , bloodsucker camp ? Fake fangs and/or nail files ?
I'll assume you're referring to the bunch of people claiming to be supernatural beings , somewhere above [or below , depending on your self esteem] regular humans .
In that case , what I think about it , well .. it's not looking good :)"

*Chuckles* reads it again * Chuckles more* reads it for a third time... Damn, dude... uh, no comment? HA!

"But in my opinion alot of people here are either unable to grasp the concept of the virus, dont want to believe, or in upir or xaviers case truly understand the message but just think there are flaws or innaccurate information."

*Chuckles again* Sorry I just can't help it. How old are these kids? Do you really think and or believe that there is a virus out there that can transform someone into a vampire? Give me a break already! Quit insulting the intelligence of others.

"Thanks. First and foremost you are human. A human that practices based on a crafted idealism, based on an interpretation of an iconic figure. nothing wrong with that. But to impose that on others as "a norm" is counter productive to your practice."

The responses that came after seemed to be the individual in response to the conjectures was agreeing with out consideration for an intelligence quota, as in... It is not permitted to agree and contradict yourself at the same time.

"Agreed. People are to quick to jump to a conclusion with baseless ideas"

This statement makes my above paragraph valid.

You know, this thread is so ridiculous that I might not even respond further to it.

Note: There is no such VIRUS called the V5. Get that out of your thick skulls already! It is just another way for the kids to think themselves as vampires and to further along their convictions, no matter how false they are. Life is NOT game. Grow up already.

As for you ~JadedBeauty~, that ill gotten reply that you think ~Dabbler~ has not read any House mission statements to make his points valid, is not justified as you are not ~Dabbler~ and have no idea what he has researched. Hell, he could very well have read my House missions statement and as such is why he would be commenting on those "secrets" of yours.

Those of whom do not live in fear are very open to others opinions even if they contradict philosophies, belief systems and or moral codes.

There really are no secrets within the vampire community that are based off of what makes the vampire, well.. Vampire. In other words, being jaded and or within a subterfuge context in a post will only call into question the convictions of the poster, based on what is said within that post.

Mastrmindfate posts "very true mission statements are open for the public to read in most cases." thank you, and thanks for SS, a consistant occurance is oncew again present, when a posting members gambit is foiled, they plea for others to play fair. yet they hesitate not to engage in Ad Hominium Attacks. something at the core of my simple statement set you off Jaded, is it your opinion that the ideals of those who fancy themselves vampires (beyond the practice, and lifestyle) is based on something that is blantantly obvious, and that "mundanes" are just ignoring the "obvious"?

so far I have read JudasBlood make a firm summation.

I suspect that Master Mind fate has a firm grasp, on his conviction (even though I am not to clear, I follow his reasoning).

You mistake me for an cynic, as cynics make trendy people appear knowledgeable. The montra of cynics is "Blah.. Blah.. Blah.. I am Not HearrrrrIng you.. what Is this Gibberish you squak?" Skeptics are apt to present windows of oportunity to all who have a compeling case.. one without obvious.. or subtle.. pretense, or suspect intent. So after your tirad, are you going to resort back to "Lets all be civil?" I feel skin was broken in this thread. Though the Usurpers are standing out.

I add upir to the list of those I regard as sound in their summation. The standard has been set for me personally.

But those who donot compell me to subscribe to their
sketchy presentation.. don't take it personally, I don't subscribe to much of anything. I do know when someone is rather content with their core ideals, belief, or practice.

Is that not what understanding anothers way of life is about though? The constant testing of convictions for the sake of guiding the misguided? For the sake of keeping the contradictions at bay when learning to understand then call into question all details for the counter measure? Is this not what life is all about, a learning process to understand the self better?

adjusting ones presentation. something someone with a generic idealism struggles to do, and often resorts to blasting anyone (even those who share by degree the same idealism), that ask a question, or fails to humor an obviously loaded question.

I may not subscribe, but I may enjoy reading the headlines on the front page.

SS since you threw my words into your little rant I will correct you. I do not PRETEND to be anything. I am what I am and most would look at what I am and say vampire. I'm not saying I'm not human, I'm just different and choose to go with the name that society uses to describe me and others like me. As for the term "mundane" How would I know a term like that? I don't play those types of games. Vampires: The Masquerade? Only heard of it never played it or seen it. Only vampire game I've played is the Legacy of Kain series, which is nice but very exaggerated, good storyline though. And since you haven't lived my life or experienced what I have, It is very rude to make the assumption that I'm pretending to be something. I do not make assumptions about you, why do you make them about me? I have heard of you, once an elder but now shunned. You called yourself both vampire and predator just a couple weeks ago. But I'm not judging you. Though you may want to judge yourself there a bit. Might help you figure things out and see who's pretending. Maybe it's you.

SS. It seems as though you take everything you read out of context. not to say your uneducated, you just obviously cant read a forum post in its entirety and embrace all concepts one tries to convey. I never stated V5 transformed anyone. I simply reposted it(i was asked to do so by the writer) and that takes care of plagerism. www.vampirewebsite.com is the website. Also, i didnt agree and contradict myself. Although agreeing with someone with a different opinion and contradicting your own is simply a change of mind.

Actually, Judas, SS isn't taking anything out of context. He's quoting your statements word-for-word within the context they appear.

one example:
You said "Modern day vampirism is a medical condition that works the way a kid is born with aides [sic] and the virus does similiar things to get itself embedded."

If your quote doesn't mean this is analogous to genetic transformation, what do you mean?

Exactly GENES transform not people. And just because he knows how to copy and paste doenst mean he knows what hes talking about...

I love that a person has labled their disability, given it a positive spin, and then try to make people who are not disabled feel inadaquate for not using the cool name.

As a person who is not mundane, but does not profess to 1.) being undead 2.) pranic diability 3.) "insatiable male sexuality"; I recognise that I am not a vampire.

I t does not mean that there are not elements that are usable, (IE. I can use a tool without having to cut off my hand for a prosthesis and call myself a borg,) nor are the fictional elements and sense of macabre (if there is any left in vampirism these days) unappealing.

Well some dont see it as a disability, and not just vampires do it. Eve seen Daredevil?

In the world of the blind a one eyed man is king.

Oh for the love of god. The genes are the person! If your genes transform than so will you. If you have AIDS it's a disability, if you have cancer (because some of your DNA has changed) then you'll start growing tumors etc. There is zero proof that backs up anything dealing with HERVs that they would cause a positive mutation and zero proof that ERVs is what separates us from chimps.

I'm still waiting on any actual academic or medical source to support the claims in the other posts.

Journal of Virology, October 2009, p. 9694-9708, Vol. 83, No. 19
0022-538X/09/$08.00+0 doi:10.1128/JVI.00925-09
Copyright © 2009, American Society for Microbiology. All Rights Reserved.


Human Immunodeficiency Virus Type 1 V1-to-V5 Envelope Variants from the Chronic Phase of Infection Use CCR5 and Fuse More Efficiently than Those from Early after Infection
Behzad Etemad,1 Angela Fellows,1 Brenda Kwambana,1 Anupa Kamat,1 Yang Feng,2 Sandra Lee,2 and Manish Sagar1*
Department of Medicine, Brigham and Women's Hospital, Harvard Medical School, Cambridge, Massachusetts 02139,1 Department of Biostatistics and Computational Biology, Dana-Farber Cancer Institute and Harvard School of Public Health, Boston, Massachusetts 021152

Received 8 May 2009/ Accepted 8 July 2009

Human immunodeficiency virus type 1 (HIV-1) envelope glycoprotein modifications over the course of infection have been associated with coreceptor switching and antibody neutralization resistance, but the effect of the changes on replication and host cell receptor usage remains unclear. To examine this question, unique early- and chronic-stage infection envelope V1-toV5 (V1-V5) segments from eight HIV-1 subtype A-infected subjects were incorporated into an isogenic background to construct replication-competent recombinant viruses. In all subjects, viruses with chronic-infection V1-V5 segments showed greater replication capacity than those with early-infection V1-V5 domains in cell lines with high levels of both the CD4 and the CCR5 receptors. Viruses with chronic-infection V1-V5s demonstrated a significantly increased ability to replicate in cells with low CCR5 receptor levels and greater resistance to CCR5 receptor and fusion inhibitors compared to those with early-infection V1-V5 segments. These properties were associated with sequence changes in the envelope V1-V3 segments. Viruses with the envelope segments from the two infection time points showed no significant difference in their ability to infect cells with low CD4 receptor densities, in their sensitivity to soluble CD4, or in their replication capacity in monocyte-derived macrophages. Our results suggest that envelope changes, primarily in the V1-V3 domains, increase both the ability to use the CCR5 receptor and fusion kinetics. Thus, envelope modifications over time within a host potentially enhance replication capacity.



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* Corresponding author. Mailing address: Brigham and Women's Hospital, Harvard Medical School, 65 Landsdowne Street, Room 447, Cambridge, MA 02139. Phone: (617) 768-8372. Fax: (617) 768-8738. E-mail: msagar@partners.org

Published ahead of print on 22 July 2009.



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Journal of Virology, October 2009, p. 9694-9708, Vol. 83, No. 19
0022-538X/09/$08.00+0 doi:10.1128/JVI.00925-09
Copyright © 2009, American Society for Microbiology. All Rights Reserved.



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okay there is a site for you to look at... Although you have to subscribe to see the entire article

Um that's the HIV virus, types 1-5. So you're saying "V5" is HIV and vampires have HIV? At which point you're all going to die and you will have zero powers, zero difference from "humans" etc.

There is no such thing as *a* "V5" virus. The correct reading of that is HIV type 5 or HIV-V5 for the 5th virus type.

I thought "V5" was a mutation of sorts from HIV. And if you've read all my earlier posts on this subject, i clearly stated, im human have no powers.

You said that it greatly altered humans' DNA (which even HIV does not), that it was the cause of the differences between chimps and humans and that it separated regular people from vampires.

Clearly you were wrong.

Please, please, please, read something fully and understand the topic before making some claim. Or else you end up looking foolish.

Then we can agree that vampires are humans that have no powers, that think it has a distinctive characteristic of knowing they are something, but the excessive interest in the concept of one mutated their brains into believing so?

So if wearing clothes and artifacts doesn't work.

bringing compelling medical results as a different sub-specie in the human classification doesn't work.

and distorting history doesn't work either...

Can we just say is a new expression.. Is always better to hold a philosophy than another infatuated lie.

For those in favor...Im fine with being human and having a fine steak.

"You said that it greatly altered humans' DNA (which even HIV does not), that it was the cause of the differences between chimps and humans and that it separated regular people from vampires."


ok once again... i didnt write the thesis on the virus, simple reposted. so anything innaccurate in it is not an error i made.

Then please post a link to them so your not pinged for plagiarism.

From what i am seeing on this post is the same old same old ppl bashing for what they think is right, with that said i thin instead of bashing others perhaps we might do more listening rather then speaking

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