Yes...but I always use it for the highest and best.
But yes used properly and respecting your craft...yes
I have questions lol.
Here they are:
1. Do you consider yourself a solitary practitioner or do you belong to a coven or any other specific groups?
2. Ok, this one more or less centers around terminology. If you are a member of a coven, do you refer to your meetings/gatherings as Cirlces?
3. How did you get involved in witchcraft?
4. What form/sect do you adhere too?
5. How did you acquire your knowledge on the subject? Where you instructed by a more advanced follower of the craft? Did you check out books from the local library or spend hours scouring the internet?
I only ask because I've suddenly become very interested in Wicca, and have only the most basic of understandings of it...I am considering purchasing books and what not but that might be a while.
I'm solo and I've read several book's like solitary witch by Scott Cunningham
and Teen Witch by Raven silver Wolf
I've looked into obtaining several of Scott Cunningham's books, as well as Silver Ravenwolf's...but perhaps it'll have to wait until my birthday haha.
Ok, I kind of feel like this thread is...doomed, so someone educate me before it's closed.
As with all rites, rituals, "spells", etc., of either religion or Wicca or paganism or shamanism, etc. ... they have only as much effect as their practitioners and participants believe them to have. And then, only on those same practitioners and participants.
All the rites and spells and hexes and shamanistic beliefs did not keep Cortez, Pizarro, etc., from conquering and slaughtering the indigenous peoples of Central and South America... nor the "White Man" from doing the same in North America. Nor did all the witchcraft during the "Burning Times" keep witches from being burned by the hundreds of thousands prior to that. Nor did all such keep the Romans, the Greeks, the Egyptians, etc., from conquering all the peoples that they did, either.
Given this fact, one cannot but observe that had all such peoples invested their time more wisely in activities and preparations other than in such rites the outcomes in all such cases might have been markedly different.
Just a thought.
- Upir'
Witchcraft can work, if used in the right way. For the right things as well. If it is used for evil purposes it will work as well but you will be risking the law of wicca. Whatever you have done you will get it back three times as worse. It is a bit like Karma.
1. I'm a solitary practitioner.
2. I met a wiccan on here actually and when I told her I was questioning my religion, she and I started talking and I felt that the religion was right for me.
3. I adhere to Pectiwita.
4. I mainly look for books from Scott Cunningham and Raymond Buckland. I sometimes go to my friend for advice also. I mainly look stuff up on the internet but I have checked out a few books from the library.
If you need any more help, just message me if you have any more questions. ^^
Thanks for the link Mrd. I just read over that page, and I've come to the conclusion that maybe, just maybe Silver Ravenwolf's intentions are good. Maybe what she has written about is what she really believes to be true. I admit that her work is filled with contradictions. It sounded as if she's trying to shape and control the reader's belief system in a way. By telling the reader that, if they do certain things then they are not a real witch for instance. Or the fact that she blatantly points out that magickal practice means "squat" unless plugged into an actual "religious equation". I do share some of her beliefs though, but not necessarily pertaining to her religious beliefs. I naturally believe that all people should do/be good, on a religious level and in their everyday life. What I mean when I say "religious level", I basically mean that I think it'd be wrong for anyone to use their religion as a way to attack another human being.
I think I'm done rambling now. haha.
I honestly don't think so, but that's just me. I don't see how anything mysticism or likewise related could possibly ever work. Maybe I'm just a skeptic, though.
I have questions lol.
Here they are:
1. Do you consider yourself a solitary practitioner or do you belong to a coven or any other specific groups?
I'm both a solitary practitioner and I also belong to a Luciferian based Coven that are eclectic but luciferian biased. We practise chaos magick not fluffy bunny light a candle and my perfect love will fall into my life style magick.
2. Ok, this one more or less centers around terminology. If you are a member of a coven, do you refer to your meetings/gatherings as Cirlces?
Sometimes as circles yes other times as rituals
3. How did you get involved in witchcraft?
I studied the occult for the last 20years or so and my interest grew from my studies
4. What form/sect do you adhere too?
I dont adhere to any form or sect but we do have a saying that we try to live by and that is a quote from Aleister Crowley "Do what tho Will shal be the whole of the Law"
5. How did you acquire your knowledge on the subject? Where you instructed by a more advanced follower of the craft? Did you check out books from the local library or spend hours scouring the internet?
Scripts, scrolls books, internet and passed down knowledge from other Masters, Magi, Adepts, High Priests and High Priestess'.
I only ask because I've suddenly become very interested in Wicca, and have only the most basic of understandings of it...I am considering purchasing books and what not but that might be a while.
Wicca is a nature based religion which encourages spell craft amongst other things. I do not consider Wicca witchcraft but that is MY opinion based on extensive knowledge one path which saw me make a 2nd Degree witch in a wicca coven, for knowledge purposes you understand..
Side note: I spell magick with the (k) at the end of magic and this is to ensure that when the reader reads what I write they do not get confused with magic that is performed on stage with flower, hats and fluffy bunnies... no other reason save for its traditional in Thelemic Texts which are used by the OTO, A:A, Hermetic Order of Golden Dawn and other such groups
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The way I see it is this........ Yes spells and such work, but by a different definition then most use..... Most hear the word spell and think bubble bubble toil and trouble eye of newt wing of bat..... so forth and so on.... To me a spell is simple. It is so simple that it is over looked most of the time. Have you ever had a sick friend? Perhaps they had a cold and you wanted to help that friend get better, so you go to the store or your garden if you have one, and get all the different ingredients together, then you go to your kitchen and you put YOUR energy, healing thoughts, emotions, and efforts into making a pot of chicken soup for your friend to help heal them and make them feel better. THAT yes something as simple as that is a spell. If that friend eats that soup and it indeed helps their recovery and helps them feel better, then your spell has served its purpose. It is a different perspective on magick then most think on, but magick even in the way most beliefs look at it is simply the use of your own personal energy to alter the state of something correct? :) Just my input.
Wicca is a beautiful religion, but, is not like the others. Wicca can be practiced along or in a group. I prefer alone. Is a long journey into mastering it, but, as you progress, you will enjoy it more.
And remember, respect it, because you never know what is around you.
Had my first broom back in 1958 when I was about seven months old. I have pic of it on my old profile. Remember trying to talk & communicate, reading the cat's mind, somewhere before 5 yrs old. Always laying on the grass watching clouds ...yep, this is how it starts.
Then hitting the books selves for anything and everything to help with this connection that was missing; not knowing what or whom to connect to.
As for really working?
Made air fresheners to remove stress, healing baths; with dead salts, color, and oils, then "charged." I have made good luck salves and given/sold them to co-works that were not in the Craft, nor true believers, and ALL have given me positive feedback that they worked for them. All done in circle and sacred space. This is witchcraft.
As for making it rain or calming the winds on command ... even if I can show you - you won't believe it. But witchcraft is so much more than Hollywood stuff anyway.
MrD,
Excellent suggestions. Very good advice..
and yes..
It works.
For the most part..Witchcraft in it's different forms works well if the Operator of the Working has developed their Will and sensitivity to the subtle forces. These need to become strong for any type of Magick to work with a worthwhile effect. Most of the granola eating, harm none, watered down, "Wiccans" you may come across are never worth their salt so to speak. The Craft in this fashion holds little to no power and these people live life with no power..
As mentioned, traditional forms are a better use of time in learning about this art. Alexandrian and Gardnerian are common in holding some public yet traditional integrity..
I would have been the first to laugh at the notion of witchcraft, magick, vampires and all that non-sense.
I went through my life for forty years very happy in the knowlege you guys were a bunch of crazy wierdo's.
Then I found out the hard way, what can I say?
I was wrong and I apologise for everything I have said...
AND... OH YES! it works alright !
I never agreed to prove anything, the question was whether or not these things are a waste of time and they are not.
Knowing this you can now learn yourself rather than getting others to do the work for you and yes it does take effort and energy and some spells such as "knock your teeth out" are exhausting but you wouldn't like that one now would you.LOL!
Swordsmith -
Where's your proof on it working?
If you want proof then go and experiment and get it yourself as TFS just said why should we all do the hard work for you, we dont need the proof its you that wants it
Thanks both of you for responding, but my question was to swords. As far as I can see, that is not you. Thanks.
As for belief yes .If you look at everyday life there is proof .I am an eclectic witch but mainly candle and healing with energy magic.
Yes witchcraft is real and it does work. It's all a matter of whether you believe it does or not and if your willing to open yourself to the fact that we are not seperate from nature and the elements, we are a part of them as they are a part of us.
1. Do you consider yourself a solitary practitioner or do you belong to a coven or any other specific groups?
I consider myself to cast when the time calls for such, whether this be a group endeavor or solitary, but most of the time, few individuals truly understand the ways of the wise and thus I practice on my own or with a partner but not a group.
I belong to no "Coven" or group as this is a waste of time as well as potential ego tripping for those individuals who just wish to be in on some sort of heirarchy for their own self confidence.
2. Ok, this one more or less centers around terminology. If you are a member of a coven, do you refer to your meetings/gatherings as Cirlces?
Refer to your group what you feel makes your group work, whether it is a circle, a Coven, a triangle, or what ever.
3. How did you get involved in witchcraft?
Never said I was involved in "witchraft", I simply stated that I prefer to cast when the time calls for such. There is a huge differance between the many foundations of the esoteric paths. If I were the individual, I would learn the differance between the paths before walking any of them.
4. What form/sect do you adhere too? This seems to relate to a couple of the above questions, it may need a bit or re-iteration to understand it better.
5. How did you acquire your knowledge on the subject? Where you instructed by a more advanced follower of the craft? Did you check out books from the local library or spend hours scouring the internet?
I was casting before the internet was even acknowledged as a source. I will not post as to how I acquired any knowledge pertaining to this area as each individuals quest or path is differant to others.
"I only ask because I've suddenly become very interested in Wicca, and have only the most basic of understandings of it...I am considering purchasing books and what not but that might be a while."
Wicca is NOT a form of witchcraft, but a path in the area of the esoterics. Like I posted, learn the differant paths before walking them to gain a clear understanding for what you are about to partake in. Most do not understand before they tred and thus know little to nothing before they start "drawing down the moon" or what have you on the path that they follow. Do not be so naive and learn before you enter into anything.
I am in a coven, and I read the older books as The Power of the Witch, Spiral dance.
These to me are guidelines....it is how we walk our spiritual path.
How dedicated we are towards working towards a higher level of spiritual conciousness.
I had a teacher come to me. They say when a student is ready a teacher will come.
It turned out true for me.
Yes it works assuming you call upon the right elements and use them wisely. But you have to be true to yourself and good to your earth from which your tools for spells come from. You always thank the elements you call upon and always cleanse yourself before incantation and spellcraft to fend off any negativity. Also magik should be used for the purpose of good and never gain. sevenfold rule still holds true. Witchcraft is always more powerful when used in a coven but can be just as effective in solitary use if done right and for a good and honest purpose. Never do anything until you know your craft inside and out. knkow how to cast a circle and close a circle. And just be free from all negativity. Live the way you practice.
I would say it would really depend on the person and it's meaning. Is wicca witchcraft, it may not be to some wiccan's and yet may be for others. Does it work? Again it would depend on the persons beliefs and what they believe and how strongly do they believe in it. What it entails again depending on the person. Some may do spells some may do rituals some may just deal with cards. All acceptable in my opinion.
sphillips - my advice is to research and more research, study all the different aspects, paths, and methods of ritual.
then decide what way is right for you. what you are most comfortable with.
you can always take bits and pieces from different paths and combine them to make your own way.......and what works for you is the right way for you.
there is no "one" true way to practice.........There is no "one true" religion... you decide your own path and follow it.
I would just suggest research everything, soak in all the knowledge so that you will be able to decide which path you want to take.
best wishes.
Kit
Right! Lets cut the Crap...here is the downside...
The general Rule is unless justified and agreed by a Diety you will suffer THREE TIMES that which you inflict upon another!
In my case death to undead. Here Endeth the Lesson!
~Fallingstar~, being crass is not the lesson here, there are those of whom wish to learn a few things in regards to the esoteric practices. They do not need to be insulted. So in your words, "cut the crap."
Just because you think you are something beyond the normal realm of a physical specimen who has a distinct classification, does not mean suffering humility by insulting others of whom wish to learn arcane facts.
Although I have never practiced magic (at least not that I'm aware of), I believe it works simply because so many seem to fear it; to me, its like someone who believes in ufo's or ghosts because they've had experiences with them. Just because I haven't doesn't mean they don't exist. I don't wish to insult practioners with so dull an analogy, I'm really just trying to make a point. I believe to those that practice it religiously, magic-white or black-works. Too many people practice magic for it to be anything other than real.
I disagree with both the sevenfold rule and the three fold rule and whatever rule you want to call it because
rules are manmade to control, no where and I mean no where does it ever say, in any grimiore or book of shadows that you must not use witchcraft for gain or suffer you will
that is a theological debate not a fact
in thelema they teach do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law so that blows your wiccan rules right out the box
I'm not saying that you should use witchcraft for ill, but why not for gain?
If you have mastered the art of gardening, growing life, breathing life into flowers and plants to make them grow, why can you not do that to make your garden nice, your life better and the value of your property greater? This is classis hedge witchcraft and by your closeted rules it would not be allowed.
Do what you want for whatever you want as YOU are responsible for your actions no one is going to make you pay but you
Witchcraft does work if you believe and use it properly with all the right tools so to speak. Like any craft you must believe and trust what your doing, should always use it wisely and sparingly.
i'm sorry Upir I didn't realise that I would have to point out that my comment was in relation to witchcraft and its practices seen as the thread heading is Witchcraft
I was talking about acts of witchcraft.
You are right when talking about general day to day life of course :-)
I am in control of my destiny and it is me who shapes it..
If you have to ask, then you rein with doubt, there for it won't for you. Only when you hold to your conviction of the energy raised will it work, and yes it does!!!!
ok...yes, magic works...so does prayer. actually in most ways its the same thing.
i practice rune magic myself, and its very real, very powerful (but also subtle).
oh...i used to have several books by scott cunningham...but i have since colored all of them in. thats my way of saying that if you are a teen that wants to rebel against your parents, and need a book that is pretty easy to read (with lots of pictures), then cunningham is the way to go.
he is a bit of a joke in the community
~W~
a teen based magick book
sounds rivetting I think i'll pass
I use it and it works, like anything you have to be strong in it and believe that is will just like a faith, prayers etc. Yet, metals, crystals and stones and herbs all have healing powers as well as many other uses.
she is correct...you get out of it what you put into it. my comment was just intended to indicate that cunningham isnt exactly considered to be a scholar.
~W~
"he is a bit of a joke in the community" ... "Cunningham isn't exactly considered to be a scholar"
Both of these assertions only call toward an insult of someone who actually wrote about the deliverance and or possible procedures regarding the basic esoteric works.
I do not see any reason why Cunningham should be insulted in this way, I mean... Not everyone has the basic knowledge of the esoteric ways, so instead of critisizing his work and since I do not see anyone from the Rave creating their own works of magic(k) to be published aside from ~InfernalMage~ and a few others, I would quite with the critisisms, since Cunningham is a published author from the acclaimed Llewellyn Publishing group.
So Cunningham is doing pretty well for himself. I have yet to see any other insults toward Cunningham save for on this site. Until said works are published by anyone else on this site, then I would ablige to those members to speak for themselves regarding blatant insults toward others no matter what community they are in, or represent.
as you wish ss, ill take back any negative thing ive said about cunningham. your right, he has done very well for himself, and has made some good money cranking out books almost as quickly as steven king does in his genre.
i certainly cant criticize talent on that level.
fyi, im not actually insulting the guy, just passing on opinions about him that are pretty widespread in the community. you are certainly welcome to disagree with me, but the whole self righteous thing seems a bit out of place.
and yes...i am being very on the level about that oh my brother.
~W~
"the whole self righteous thing seems a bit out of place."
Its not called beings self righteous, its called standing up for aquantances and old friends that I know in person.
These authors have written several works to their credit, so what ever the Pagan community has to say about them is on their own merit and just drama that is spewed throughout that community.
Eh, keep the drama at bay regarding the politics and I will not defend those who need it.
Buckland is an other writer with plenty on his plate regarding merited works. I would read his books as well as Konstantinoes's if you are into that branch of esoterics.
In any Craft there are degrees, too often people assign supernatural/ occult to every belief, or practice.
I know of people who practice that laugh at such assumtions.
Those who are so quick to expect glaringly supernatural tidings, are the same people that flock to Faith Healers, and Mediums.
I read more post that are obviously phishing for intel to later be passed of as aquired knowledge, pathetic actually..
as for the topic, if a person wants to exercise ritual then they may find a personal benifit, if one chooses to be a part of a coven, then they may find at least network benifits there in.
Too often people engage interst in Wicca, Witchcraft, or what have you..
And start expecting supernatural astonishments.
Perhaps people miss the less then astonishing Pagan along the way.
How entertaining to watch so called people of craft bicker like established religion does.. over who is more ordained.
Reference HolySmoke.org Understanding Wicca.
We do not waste time and intellect and upon that which has no meaning or substance.
Full stop...
Thus he Bows before the seeking and the lost Master Aracon.
if you never tried it how could you possibly know it is or is not?
vvSoulshroudevv Cunningham is dead been so for a while now. But He did what no one else was doing and that was focusing on wicca for the solitary practitionar thus making a bit more standoutable then most others cuz unlike them He stated there's no real wrong or right way to do it. Just that there wasn't much for anyone who wasn't appart of a coven or group.
I find his work easier to read and easier to use to be honest. Not that I wouldn't read anyone else's style and try to adapt it to mine but I just find his a bite more easily to read.
Wallflower:
1. I am a solitary practitioner.
2. I do not belong to a coven, but I may in the future.
3. I'd always been interested in witchcraft. I'd collected books over the years, but for quite some time remained unsure about anything. When my bf died in the army, I felt lost, and thats when I really got to reading more about the Craft. Realized that it made the most sense to me and many things that were mentioned were things I'd believed in or at least believed possible for many years.
4. I'm eclectic. I don't follow any set traditions. But there are many to choose from.
5. Most of my information has come from books. Scott Cunningham, Silver RavenWolf, Raymond Buckland, and Raven Grimassi. I would really like to actually find a mentor in my area, as I am still in the beginning of my dedication stage. I have read many books, and honestly, the book I wish I would have found first, was "Spirit of the Witch" by Raven Grimassi.
As to the original question for this topic:
Yes, i believe that witchcraft works if you truly believe that it does and if it is done for all the right reasons.
A fair summary I found HolySmoke.org/Wicca/Wicca.html
I'm not a skeptic of it or nothing, but I wouldn't know if it really works or not. But what I've heard of it there can also be a lot of consequences by practicing it
Im a witch and I teach .. im not a wiccan
The practice is very real, if you haven’t practiced then I don’t believe you have a right to say anything about it’s workings. How could you?
Trying to understand the supernatural can be quite the task indeed. I would like to bring science into this field with a body of knowledge and when apparatus are made to measure this it will become natural and not supernatural.
Huge challenges are perception , argumentation and logical fallacy to start with.
;-)
Well you really need to differentiate what you are talking about. If you mean Traditional Witchcraft or Wicca. Most assume a person means Wicca when they say witchcraft but they are not the same at all and have totally different belief systems. I am neither but I enjoy studying these different beliefs.
Magick is relative to the form one chooses to use. Not all magick is witchcraft or is tied to a religious viewpoint. The three-fold idea is relatively modern in scope and seems to be attached only to Wicca or at least in the beginning. Since the early 20th Century when it was formed and became popular, there have evolved various forms that can be drastically different. Traditional Witchcraft does not have solitary practitioners and ideas of what is ethically acceptable is different as well. Now let me preface what I am saying with this, some people because of the New Age movement and I mean this only as a renaissance in viewpoints, have drawn gray lines to some practices so therefore purists do certain things but there are people who still mix things together. I think it is all about thought and not so relative to whatever you choose to tag the practice. The term witchcraft has become more generic in use in modern times to mean merely magick to some and wicca to others but this isn't exactly correct.
When did the idea that Wicca, and Witch Craft are intertwined with Supernatural come about?
Please someone provide a link.
Fiction, and TV dictate " WitchCraft" as astonishing supernatural powers, and people here apparently eat it up, and regurgate it.
Sorry Dabbler even though tv and film has a arguably strong impression on none witches and those becoming witches will look out for many medias to learn educate or just be in a imaginational world of a theme they are drawn too, you will notice once past the early stage this magic is lost. And true paths, documentation and practice then takes the place of TV and fantasies…. I still love harry potter…. Does that make me a deluded Witch?
Bit like budding science fans of like TV shows that use DNA and so forth to solve cases.. Truth is most soon realize that Crime scene investigation takes more than a 45 min show to analyze and prove and far from what we see on TV … didn’t anyone ever tell you it’s just entertainment for the mass and not a true science……. lol
I find it sad that people take the whole witchcraft/ vampyre to the Hollywood state of mind before getting all the information that they need to know.*sighs*
Yes, it does work. I am an experienced witch, I was taught for 10 years under the instruction of a very wise mentor & was high priest in a coven for 4 years. If any of you need any information concerning this subject or want to learn, let me know, I started mentoring about 2 1/2 years ago.
Blessed Be
Throughout the ages innocent men, women, child and animals of every kind have been abused, used and murdered by mankind. Acting properly does not preclude you from the acts of insanity by mankind.
Witchcraft has and does touch the non-believer. Many potions are now made by chemist's and alchemist's to solve common problems that were once considered witchcraft.
People just want to be astonished, and they arrbitrarially assign occult phenomena to Witchcraft, simple put.. there is nothing to support such idealism..
witchcraft in a nut shell is natural in application, The churches would rather people believe their sermons that witchcraft is occult, and of the devil..
every respectful article I have read, and practitioner I have kept company with, has solidly agreed that there is no occult connection in witchcraft.
Herbalist..yes
Counseling.. yes
consoling..yes
concsious of the seasons..yes
resourceful.. Yes..Yes!
Midwives .. Certainly..( a threat to the dominate medical fields)
positive visualization.. yes..
please if anyone has support for the assignment of occult/ mystical/ cosmic forces being tapped post them.
That’s just the point Dabbler well said and put …. Once science gets a handle on it we then see natural nature (occult is just natural and science hasn’t caught up yet). Occult means hidden so as science catches up with us and understands in it’s conformist ways were then left with hidden outrageous claims or mysteries it has no name for yet so placed under occult …. Ideomotor is a good way I think of explaining what im trying to say, I like to use as it has a science label and on the grounds it’s based is a good answer and rationalizes the practice of pendulums and Ouija to which I agree partly. Only problem is the trigger for the action being cased is still not explained for me personally on this subject for many reasons, I can program my own subconscious mind, im able to spell (im dyslexic this has been wrote using a method of word check and dyslexic methods) so who is sending the message my auto mind is receiving and sending past my mind to make me move the Ouija even though my conscious mind is not aware of this action and it can be quite fun.
My point is yes we can label lots of what is going on however I don’t believe it fully understands yet even the simple labels as this art seems like there is more going on under the hood than science can except or understand till someone puts a label to it’s conclusions… as always
my post request a simple link to any article that mentions witchcraft as an occult practice, involving mystic/ supernatural forces.
A simple request, please refer to my previous posts that provide summaries of Withcraft, and Wicca.
Actually I have, and nothing remotely suggest that witchcraft, or Wicca, has anything to do with the supernatural.
Neither have anything to do with the supernatural ~Dab~, both are simply ways for the mind to achieve set goals that it thinks it can conquer or to move something out of its way.
Self substantiation for the most part, self relevance, empowerment.. All of the above, really. But supernatural as in dark mystical powers that can cause levitation, fireballs, lightning strikes.. I think not.
Metaphysical is one thing, but supernatural is not metaphysical. Two entirely different dimensions.
Thank you ~SS~, we are on the same page..
This places the question in perspective.
" does witchcraft work?"
If one expects what Souls Mentions, then yes.. witchcraft will help you, and I have been Blessed by the Craft.
If one expects astonishing phenomenical mystical experiences then no.
The problem here as I see it is semantics. Witchcraft was coined by the church and not really used for practitioners until more modern times. One wouldn't call it that if for no other reason than fear of death. I don't believe they were trying to make anything "work" as would be seen now due to movies and TV ala "Charmed". It was just their regional beliefs and some practiced various forms of divination and other things that are now thought of as supernatural but are very natural practices of the region and times. The word is used now to mean many types of magickal practices. Does it work well I guess that would depend on who you talk to about it. You will find contradictory beliefs in this area. Basically, opinions more or less that people can feel is the correct answer but find another writer/person/source will say something else and often they are historians.
Just don't mention the term "neo-pagan" ~SteelIndigo~, I find this term to be a bit instulting to old school Pagans such as myself.
Yes, witchcraft was coined by the church, who had manipulative power over its follwers (still does for that matter), those who would believe little tidbits that could become irrelevant, are the tidbits that are the most dangerous in modern times.
That is the problem with politics these days, adding semantics into everything under the sun. From coining new terms for better understanding of the old ways, the finding new definitions for words long forgotten, then putting a twist to them just to manipulate them for politics sake.
Yes, the esoteric ways are empowering. Yes, the esoteric ways work. But not how they would be visualized such as in the movie: The Craft. Though we can control the weather, through summoning and thought provoking... Most times it would seem to be mere coincidence.
If that coincidence gives the "caster" more self empowerment if they think they can control certain elements, then more power to them. It builds confidence. Let them have it. I will not hold it against them, nor judge them because of it.
Yes, it does.
Plain and simple.
But, as the previous post stated, you have to believe it works.
Just like vampyres... They do exsist, but you must believe they do.
I think Witchcraft in itself has negative connotations. However, there are such a thing as White Witches who actually do some good with what they have been given. Does it work? I would it does when done in the correct manner, following whatever rituals there are to be followed. Also, the belief for it to work has to be there. Intentions play a huge part in Witchcraft, I think.
I am curious about what people assign to Witch Craft.
I get the impression that people are mixing up Craft, with occult.
I would invite those who seem to imply such a connection to provide supporting links.
Witchcraft, in various historical, anthropological, religious and mythological contexts, is the use of supernatural or magical powers. Witchcraft can refer to the use of such powers in order to inflict harm or damage upon members of a community or their property. Other uses of the term distinguish between bad witchcraft and good witchcraft, the latter involving the use of these powers to heal someone from bad witchcraft. The concept of witchcraft is normally treated as a cultural ideology, a means of explaining human misfortune by blaming it either on a supernatural entity or a known person in the community.[1] A witch (from Old English wicce f. / wicca m.) is a practitioner of witchcraft.
Belief in witchcraft, and by consequence witch-hunts, is found in many cultures worldwide, today mostly in Sub-Saharan Africa (e.g. in the witch smellers in Bantu culture), and historically notably in Early Modern Europe of the 14th to 18th century, where witchcraft came to be seen as a vast diabolical conspiracy against Christianity, and accusations of witchcraft led to large-scale witch-hunts, especially in Germanic Europe.[2]
The "witch-cult hypothesis", a controversial theory that European witchcraft was a suppressed pagan religion, was popular in the 19th and early 20th centuries. Since the mid-20th century, Witchcraft has become the self-designation of a branch of neopaganism, especially in the Wicca tradition following Gerald Gardner, who claimed a religious tradition of Witchcraft with pre-Christian roots.[3]
The scientific consensus, as expressed by the National Science Foundation, has identified ten subjects, including witches, which they consider to be pseudoscientific beliefs.
Source: Wikipedia
No, ~Dab~. You are correct in your assumption, ie "I get the impression that people are mixing up Craft, with occult."
Most young individuals do not know the differance between the "craft" and the "occult." I know this because I was young once. I had a very hard time when I was growing up, discerning one term for the other because I had no credible "teachers" for my learning process. No one was there to correct me when I was automatically assuming that one was the other or that they were both connected.
I think that is a problem with the children or initiates these days, they do not take the time to research. They would rather practice without any merit of experience to back them and thus they play with things they could not possibly understand at that level.
The Craft simply refers to witchcraft or "The Craft of the Wise", occult is the Anglosaxon word for "secret" or "hidden".
My post was not to be taken so literally, but as a euphamism so to speak. The example being that those who would wish to practice, think on a very shall we say.. naive level. Thus the confusion between occult and esoteric practice.
Thank you, and with a lack of credible " teachers" those curious tend to nmbe drawn to sources that spew stereotypical based jargon, that is rife with mystical phantasia, then those " taught" by such sources go forth, and perpetuate the cycle.
Soon you have a person claiming to be a Witch, that would have people believe they are " faith healers", and " attuned with etheral forces", yet cannot make a simple poltice, or treat colic, or confidently attend as a midwife.
It just gets so bothersome when the image of Witch drawn, and presented by Established ( fundamentalist) gets absorbed more then actual sources presented by those who practice the Craft.
All people want is to astonish, and be astonished by the implication of " mystical abilities".