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Extraordinary claims, require extraordinary evidence.

The simplest answer is that all who have claimed to be Psychokinetic
have never demonstrated ( under controlled observation) said ability.

Though many claim to have witnessed said demonstrations, the common denominator is that the audience was kept at a specific distance, and angel.

Suggested Youtube search: Project Alpha. An example of how even skilled observes can be duped.

http://www.williamjames.com/Science/PK.htm

May give you insight on experiments on psychokinesis

Also..



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Bioenergy Research Lab (BRL) will allow the continued study of healers like Edd Edwards of Georgia with whom an unusual light emission pattern has been detected in preliminary tests. Over a period of many years Drs. Steve Baumann and Bill Joines of the Rhine Research Center have tested dozens of reported healers and control subjects, but Edd Edwards is only the third person found to show the emission of light within the ultra-violet and visible range of electromagnetic energy.


Bioenergy Research Lab (BRL), Rhine Research Center, 2741 Campus Walk Ave., Durham, NC 27705.


The Amazing Energy Of Edd Edwards
by Chris Holly
(Copyright © 2009 Chris Holly)





I read an article about a man being tested by the Rhine Research Center in Durham North Carolina for his extreme energy levels and his ability to control his energy. The Rhine Research Center is a hub for research and education on the basic nature of consciousness. The man Edd Edwards was being tested, as he was able to channel his energy to move or adjust energy fields as well as to heal animals and people who were ill.

My curiosity got the better of me and I searched out this man who graciously agreed to talk to me about his abilities.

Edd Edwards lives in a small town in Georgia. He is a polite friendly intelligent man who is a pleasure to talk to. What makes Edd Edwards different from the rest of us is his powerful energy force and his ability to control it.

Edd (which is pronounced Eddie) first recalls his awareness of energy when he was a small child of two or three. His grandmother had a strong energy source and knew how to use her energy. His grandmother was a well-known hands on healer in their Christian community. She realized Edd also was gifted with this strong force and started him off early in life learning the ways of using and handling his strong energy abilities.

As Edd grew up he continued to develop his skill of controlling his energy. He was able to predict lightning strikes along with being the target for them. Edd has been hit by lightning three times in his life.

He also became aware that he could affect both ill humans and animals with healing energy. As Edd continued to master his control of his, energy he found he was able to move or make changes in other energy sources as well as magnetic fields.

Edd does not look at himself as that unusual or different. Edd claims that all of us could do the same things that he can do. He thinks we are all born with the ability the only difference is that he is aware of his. Edd feels we are all able to use our given energy and that we all could be able to connect to the overall connecting energy of the universe. The only difference is that he has learned how to tap in and use this skill. Edd feels that it is possible we may have become so closed off to these abilities that we have lost this skill.

After talking with Edd Edwards I feel it far more likely he is a example of what we will become and be able to do as we evolve and become more aware of our potential and how to use it. I look at Edd as a step up the human ladder. If we all were able to focus and use our energy like Edd does the world would be a far different place. The possibilities of using our energy in force to move things, change direction of fields and heal would make for incredible advancements that would be a giant stepping stone for mankind.

In the mid 90s Edd watched a TV program where a Dr. Levengood who is connected to the Rhine Research Center, talked about his research with equipment he was using to study energy concerning the on going crop circle controversy.

Edd called Dr Levengood to see if he could help him with his unusual energy abilities. Edd wanted to better understand his healing power, control and use of energy.

The exposure of Uri Gellar proved that unless you can manipulate an object without touching it from a reasonable distance, psychokinesis/telekinesis is a trick and not much more.

The amount of energy it would take just to levitate a teacup would also be enough to make a group of people halfway around the world turn around via Telepathy.
Your body wasn't made to hold that much, and would deteriorate if forced to..

Check out, James Hydrick Thats Incredible 1981 on YouTube

Along with Project Alpha, a reasearch into psychokinetics.

Not necessarily Cabrion.Have you ever heard of the The Casimir force ? Its a consequence of quantum mechanics,on the atomic and subatomic scale.
This force has nothing to do with electrical charge or gravity,but actually the fluctuations in energy fields in the empty spaces between objects and its one reason atoms stick together.
So lets say some dude can actually manipulate energies in these spaces.The result would be levitation..so on and so forth.Its just a train of thought I've been pondering for a while.

A common denominator presented by proponents of PK is that " thought waves" are responsible for their alledged ability.

Actual spectral graphs have been employed, along with film equipment that captures varies other spectrums. Producing nothing significant. Then along comes a Russian based instituite, claiming to have registered something. A group comprised of skeptics, scientist, and parapsycoligist traveled to investigate. The institute engineers where not prepared to demonstrate with
equipment not their own, the pending engineer research grant was revoked.

The same institute, under a differnt name is still attempting to gain grant money.

There are scientist who are prepared to F type MRI any proclaimed PK abled individual while they engage their ability. No takers.

Gotta have money to explore Dab.And it takes alot of it.It doesnt mean that every one is in it for the money.There really ARE people who want to know and figure out the basis behind all the stories .

I know that Ocy,

It is just that the majority of researchers are apt to never produce any significant data.

Have you watched the video, project alpha?

Im thinking we arent looking in the right place just yet.Hopefully they will get something soon.One way or the other.
I didnt watch it today but I've seen it Dab.

Anyone that claims PK is hostile about demonstrating, yet they persist in
snubbing their nose at science, saying " Science cannot explain everything."

When in actuality those who profess such abilities are not only not able to explain the alledged ability, but unwilling to demonstrate professed ability ( outside their own regulated environment).

Nice thread markus.
it's a mind over matter issue, same as taught in martial arts.
if you belive your hand will break when you strike a brick, your fear holds you back, and most likely you will get hurt.

Somewhat like that "Light as a Feather, Stiff as a Board" issue, everyones mind is in full sync that they can lift ones weight with two fingers.

not everyone holds such mind scire capabilities, but there are those that are gifted.

I once had the privaledge of an isle seat at a David Copperfeild show when he levitated a mans wallet and allowed us to seek stings, air currents, etc that was doing this levitation around the object.
There was nothing! Does make one ponder deeper!

David Copperfield is an illusionist, he makes no claims to being anything but and illusionist.

Doug Henning though, he claimed to be gifted, but he has been exposed numerous times, and outed by disgruntled stage hands.

Most are astonished simply by a performance that challeges their perception.

Others need the patter that suggest it is paranormal.

A stage magician has to practice, and hone their performance to appease an audience that knows that he is an illusionist.

Those who perform underpretense if mystical, or paranormal abilities are
often lousy performers who need the added obscurity to perform ( they often charge more for symposiums as well). They need the True Believer Syndrome, which means people are apt to compansate for slip ups, or exposure because they don't want to admit they fell for a trick.

I don't care for Doug, David was and is an illusionist, but explain how he did it then, by all means!
when he allows you to feel all around an object for air, stings, magnets, etc. and your left with no explaination as to HOW?

If it were all that simple we could all become magicians and make fortunes, yet there are few that seem to defy all odds, like Chris Angel.

You just explained it. It is an illusion, designed to trick the observer.

not knowing the mechanics involved does not support any conclusion that it is not an illusion.

David CopperField is fond of using elaborate props I do know that.

Chris Angle is an active debunker of those claiming to be psycics, the very fact that he can openly tell people he is an illusionist, and still gave people insist he posseses paranormal, or mystic abilities supports the case against those who claim to be so gifted.

Houdini confronted such individuals 75 plus years ago. The only thing that changes is the elaborate ways available to create illusions.

If anyone serious about PK had any sense, they would enlist qualified people to eliminate any chance of illusions.

well i would personally like to see someone do it in a scientific setting to put the issue to rest with the pk someone besides Edd did he ever move anything??? just curious

I would too.

I am not a cynic by nature, I am a skeptic, who once had reasons to subscribe to such concepts, but as of late, I am becoming closer to cynical.

Even proponents of PK are starting to appear Jaded.

I think our mind is so vast that anything is possible, we use such a small amount of it. Who knows what we are truly capable of!

I think it is possible and real, but I can be very much the open minded sceptic, I would like to see proof and experience it for myself.

The Casimir force?

If you force energy into the empty spaces between atoms, the change in the field would push them apart, causing the deterioration i spoke of.

It is also the force that holds things together .

I am not saying that this IS IT.But what I do propose is if PK truely exsists,then perhaps it is due to something like the Casmir effect,Torsion fields,Zero point and such.And because of the nature of them, things like telepathy,PK,levitation and the like could not only be possible,but not paranormal at all.

a bit of reading ....
The key concept is that vacuums are not truly empty. The very fabric of space time itself contains a kind of energy. Think of it as tiny tiny waves. At the peak of a wave a particle of real matter is almost created. At the valley, an anti-particle is almost created. This almost ummeasurable fluctuation gives a vacuum a tiny amount of pressure; an energy exerted by the Universe itself.
Think of it this way. Our two objects are two piers jutting out into the water. The ripples in the water are the pressure of the vacuum energy. If the two piers are far apart, the ripples between the docks will be like those outside the docks. If the two piers are close however, they will alter the ripples between them, effectively lowering the energy in the vacuum. Once the energy is lowered, there will be less pressure between the objects than around them and they will tend to be pulled together. It's actually very complex but that's the basic idea.

Casimir Levitation occurs because the energy between the two objects can be manipulated. If there are other chemicals between the two, they can change the Casimir Effect by adding or subtracting their own energy. The breakthrough that is in the news right now occurred when scientists Ulf Leonhardt and Dr Thomas Philbin used the quantum energy of light to effectively increase the strength of the waves between the two objects. Once they were stronger than the waves around the objects, the pressure reversed and the Casimir effect began to push the objects away. It "levitated" them
http://www.helium.com/items/1051923-exploring-levitation

That is far more compelling then " mystic" forces. The question that rises with me is, how does the Organ that is the brain generate any significant projected " energy" to engage these "Cashmir Waves" .

Your info delves beyond simply defaulting everything as " mystic".

Thanks Dab for that vote of confidence.But to be frank,if I knew how our brains do it? I wouldnt be sitting here with everyone else trying to figure it out .What I do feel is that ..and I have said it a hundred times,these things do happen.Alot of peeps experience it,myself included.But as I get into it more,I find myself believing that when it really comes down to manipulating ?It is MUCH more rare than previously believed or that people claim..Thus,all the fakes and sensationalists out there.
And that is because I feel that we dont understand how it all works,therefore we cannot make it work everytime or even most of the time we want it to.Sure,some are prone to it more than others,but then again,I dont believe it is because they are "gifted" persey,but more along the lines of healthier etc...
Our brains are pretty much super computers..bio computers that,if not healthy ,phsycially and mentally,simply cannot perform any kind of "magic " on any consistant basis.And some of the other so called mystic things such as empathy and sporadic 'telepathy" are actually a result of the naturally occuring rythm known as Circadian rythm,and just like clocks get into sinc for a few moments,I feel we do too.That doesnt make us mystic or "gifted" but in fact normal.Otherwise it wouldnt be so prevalent.Everone's an empath.
And again,everyone is entitled to their opinion about all this but for me? I cant NOT look at it closer and try to see for myself how it all might work simply because someone says it is so.And this is where my research as taken me..back to forces in our natural world.

Although the myth that we only use a fraction of our brain has been found to not be true at all. MRIs, and F type MRIs have significantly dismissed the eroneous claim made by a biased individual strictly as an ad pitch for their ( now defunct) institute.

Simple and to the point... It takes energy to move matter. Our brains work via electric impulse and we only use a small percentage of our brain. If we were able to use 100% of our brain we would not even need bodies. So it would depend on how much brain usage is possible for a human to have. I don't think, however, that telekinesis is possible. Only in movies like Carrie and Powder.

I have to agree with you Sexy in that it might not be possible like Carrie and Firestarter,but maybe it is on a much lesser scale.
Anyway our brains are working alot more than we are aware of and just because we might not be concious of it,doesnt mean the brain isnt "working".

Tuesday, February 23, 2010
DARK MATTER OF THE BRAIN



I knew it. I knew when I was draped over a couch doing absolutely nothing, I was still creating. As Jack Nicholson’s character in The Shining forcibly points out, you don’t have to be typing to be writing. We may feel like blank slates, but our brains are still beavering away.

"Many neuroscientists have long assumed that much of the neural activity inside your head when at rest matches your subdued, somnolent mood. In this view, the activity in the resting brain represents nothing more than random noise, akin to the snowy pattern on the television screen when a station is not broadcasting. But recent analysis produced by neuroimaging technologies has revealed something quite remarkable: a great deal of meaningful activity is occurring in the brain when a person is sitting back and doing nothing at all. "It turns out that when your mind is at rest - when you are daydreaming quietly in a chair, say, [or] asleep in a bed or anesthetized for surgery - dispersed brain areas are chattering away to one another. And the energy consumed by this ever active messaging, known as the brain's default mode, is about 20 times that used by the brain when it responds consciously to an outside stimulus. Indeed, most things we do consciously, be it sitting down to eat dinner or making a speech, mark a departure from the baseline activity of the brain default mode. ..."Further analyses indicated that performing a particular task increases the brain's energy consumption by less than 5 percent of the underlying baseline activity. A large fraction of the overall activity - from 60 to 80 percent of all energy used by the brain - occurs in circuits unrelated to any external event. With a nod to our astronomer colleagues, our group came to call this intrinsic activity the brain's dark energy, a reference to the unseen energy that also represents the mass of most of the universe. Marcus E. Raichle, "The Brain's Dark Energy

Suggested Google, 10 percent brain myth.


I can move materials simple by thought.

All it requires is placing an object in a manner that creates an obstuction to general traffic, then stare at it, eventually someone will come along, and move it out of the way.


Another google, "The Men Who Stare At Goats"

They even made a movie based on the book.

Oh must I always come to set you people right? :P

First, if I'm not mistaken that image was shown to be a fake, as has have many of these "demonstrations". Photo-manipulation is something that's been around since before the dawn of the flashbulb.

As for the brain, ya we only use 10%....for higher thought. Why is this? Because the other 90% are the connections needed to connected each part of the brain together. We can make our brains more efficient at processing information and producing energy levels (hell that's called education) but you can't use "more" of it for higher processes because there isn't any more to use. We've known this years before FMRI btw. So no, we don't ONLY use 10%, we use ALL of it.

The Casimir Effect is caused by vacuum energy. There is no such thing as a total vacuum. If you were to create a vacuum, the space inside would start to produce random particles and energy (and it would appear to be coming from nowhere). This is due to the quantum nature of the universe. Particles pop in and out of existence, randomly, exist for a fraction of a second and then are destroyed. In fact, you are nothing more than the sum of this rapid particle production/annihilation. The effect of this, and of the additional dimensions, produce an energy field that can push objects around or draw them together. This has been shown several times in these "vacuum experiments"

I would suspect any psychokinesis would be produced by Torsion fields and zero-point energy. Zero-point energy is the lowest level of energy in the universe, all things are formed by it and all things will, over a period of 1 gogol years (give or take), go back to it.

Thought arises at a very basic energy frequency and I don't see how it's not possible for it to begin to affect this fundamental energy field. But even if it can't via ZPE, it could through torsion fields.

Torsion field is a variation of a well studied area of physics that uses vectors, tensors and spinners and is basically an adaptation of "spin-spin interaction". The universe is a collection of fields, these fields are all higher energy fields than ZP and help create dimensions, give rise to particles, electricity etc. Since thought does occur at a low energy level (at its most basic point) one could imagine that if you knew how to alter your thoughts to interact with the same fields as particle spin and various EM fields you might be able to alter them in such a way as to cause visible movement.

Spin-spin interaction is similar to quantum entanglement (another area that could be looked into for this) in that it only carries information, not mass, and thus can travel at dozens of times the speed of light. So if one could use this in some way it's possible you could consciously alter something on Proxima Centauri (4.2 light years away) in something like 15 days or less...as opposed to 4.2 years.

VR's resident Dr has spoken.
lol

"But what I do propose is if PK truely exsists,then perhaps it is due to something like the Casmir effect,Torsion fields,Zero point and such.And because of the nature of them, things like telepathy,PK,levitation and the like could not only be possible,but not paranormal at all."

Um ...those are my words arent they?
And Im glad you see the validity in those suggestions Zav.So am I not being reasonable to say,that because of these processes that all this stuff is not in reality supernatural,but in fact natural?Furthermore,that telepathy and stuff is a real possibility?

Levitation through energy manipulation seems to be the way to go. Apparently it's very scientific, a lot of people may have to change their minds regarding 'them crazies'.

how is it that a ghost can move objects without a physical body? Maybe there are people who can do this same thing while in a physical body. Love the posts I have seen so far.

Most of that type of paranormal activity occurs with teenagers who are incredibly stressed out. During that point in time, their energy is compressing and fanning out, and with each focused burst of emotion and desire to knock something over, something usually falls. However... it has yet to be a controlled effect.
i have yet to believe in ghosts, though even if it were the most horrifying sight ever experienced, i'd still like to see one. (At least then i'd know for certain)

I can, and have ( as a Geist) appeared to move objects without direct physical action.

Witnesses to the results draw conclusions as to what set the object(s) into motion.

Oceanne, you're a researcher and I'm a scientist, we may use different words and I may have a greater understanding of some things but in essence you've been saying the truth for years.

Yes, science does back up the *possibility* that things like telepathy, psychokinesis, various energy manipulations and even some "magics" might be real.

Nothing is mystical, if something actually exists, everything can be explained by science one day. Just because we don't have the answers now doesn't mean they aren't there.

Most scientists are focused on more pressing matters, like illness, the energy crisis, space travel etc but in time I'm pretty sure we'll find more evidence to the plausibility of the "unexplained" especially with furthered knowledge in the quantum world.

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Cabrion (sp?),
Feel free to send me a message if you have a question or something to say. I'm always up for a convo.

Cabrion,

A good case study relating to your last post is the Tina Resch Case, a case that attracted significant research, for what has been dubbed RSPK.

Thanks, i shall look it up.

You guys have surely heard of the Philadelphia experiment, correct?

If not, it was a test done in a harbor involving tesla coils and large electro-magnetic generators.
There were three boats, the one in the middle was the guinea pig, while the two on either side pointed the generators in it's direction and cranked the dial to 'high'.
Spectators described a 'strange green mist' that enveloped the center ship. Then it vanished. As for how long it was gone, spectator reports vary from a few seconds to a few minutes. But it was said to have returned to it's original harbor in ..... virginia i think.... Anyway what is more interesting is what happened to the sailors when it reappeared.
Many of them were infused in the deck, but those that weren't have all wound up in mental institutions since then.
First reported incident that sparked interest was a bar fight between the sailors, where they were said to have 'drifted in and out of sight', meaning gradually turning invisible and whatnot.
Others were said to have spontaneously combusted.
All at one point were said to have periods where they would 'freeze'. This could last from six hours to six weeks, and the process wouldn't begin to get better until they were touched by one of the other sailors. They were truly devoted in the game of Reverse Freeze Tag.
Anyway i was wondering, is this what happens when exposed to vast amounts of energy resonating at different frequencies, then returning to a standard?

telekinesis is not "natural" and it is certainly not normal. Maybe in a rich fantasy life.

Thats where our opinion differs,I believe that all of it ANY kind of so called paranormal phenomenon is in fact natural.And I look for ways to substanciate that belief.It doesnt just Poof" and happen.Something is behind it.I dont feel that it happens in the frequency as proclaimed,nor do I believe that it happens in large doses.And anyone,no matter how good they are at any of this stuff,they arent so good at it that it works 100% of the time.I intend to show that also.

The preferred route to a conclusion on something like PK is to first determine
what is not PK. Meaning as defined objects moved by psyco alone.

To weed out trickery, physic anomilies, and pure BS fabricators.

Physiologically there is no capacity to generate sufficant vibrations in the atmosphere between the mind/brain, and an object.

Had such an ability existed it would have had to evolved, and it would have
Been evident. Yet the majority of those who " researched" such concepts
seldomly did so with unbiased science procedure, and few published in journals that are subject to peer review.



Basically thinking something to move, has gone no where.

Though a number of things originally presented as evidence if PK activity have uncovered physic related anomilies. Junk science, tends to default anything remotely suggestive/ supportive of their predetermined conclusion.

Notable parapsycologist Dr. Nandor Fodor set the field on track with his research.

yes i believe in Psychokinesis. i ve seen it happen before
and it wasnt in a controled enviorment

Im wondering if anyone here has read The Certain Physical Manifestation and Effects of External Qi of Yan Xin Life Science Technology ?

If it was indeed an existing concept, then it would already be out in the open, and have an established field.

~points up~ yea. what he said. hes right. if there was such a thing it would have been documented and there would be all kinds of studies out in the open, and people would be running up to you all the time like, hey watch this!!

i bet they'd make wonderful magicians.
Which is strange, because magicians always make the most convincing psychokinetic displays... hm...

Yes i do believe that its possible, i think of it under the same rule as psychics and mediums whereas we only use a certain amount of our brain, a very small amount, who is to say what the human mind is capable of, moving objects or seeing into the future, controlling elements, emotions and thoughts. Maybe some people are also genetical predisposed also, who knows.

Snopes.com The Ten Percent Myth.

An unfounded myth.

How many times do we have to repeat ourselves Dab? lol

We DO NOT use 10% of our brains people! Read the thread and I tell why.

No kidding Zav! plus,I posted the newest findings on the brain and its dark matter.Now,IF anyone will ever read it,and listen a little,they would understand that our brains are not idle and we use it ALL.

I only use 5 percent of my stomach, 15 percent of my heart, and 50 percent of my ( beep)..

Ok *hands up* i fail, who knew that television lies to you!!
And it makes sense, if you don't use 90% of your brain then it wouldn't matter if that unused part got damaged, which obviously isn't true, its the complete opposite, you hear brain damage, and you know its serious, not 'well as long as its not that little 10% that got damaged, then we're good.'
You re-learn something new on VR everyday!

But, just for kicks, if psychokinesis were somehow possible and controlled by the brain, which part would be able to affect it, i'm not saying its possible, just theories here, you got the motor system that controls movement, but you need two parts for movement the brain and neural doo-dahs in the spinal cord, connections and circuits, what connections are there in inanimate objects, there is no circuit. Our brain and its connections control movement, but our body makes the actual action. So without the neurological connections and its affluent actions, it wouldn't be possible. A connection needs to be made.

That Ishta, is a very good question indeed.

An inquiry I am certain even self styled experts would bulk at venturing to answer.

Any tenative conclusions could easily be researched for accuracy.

Surly a significant biochemical reaction would take place prior to, and during a PK activity.

Great question! And if anyone knew the answer ,we would all be moving stuff around without leaving the comfort of our homes.If any place might be responsible,it could be in the pineal gland where DMT is produced.Or something along that line.But whos to say at this point?

Well I'm not self-styled but I'll venture a guess.

Yes you need part of the brain for movement, the cerebellum, but that's just for the coordinated movement of the body.

When we look at PK it's usually some person concentrating and using their "brain powers" to do something. Since higher thought take part in the cerebral cortex and more specifically the frontal lobe I'd think that PK would occur there supported by the parietal and the temporal lobes (in order of importance). Of course that's just if it's caused by thought.

well heck i should have something useful to add here but alas i dont who knows what can be done the brain is an amazing machine that we still dont fully understand yet but i have gotten some very useful info in reading this thread i wish to thank all that have inputed i hope tha ya'll continue to :)

I did a search for physiology of PK, and even included ESP, and Telepathy
nothing. Not even on paranormal sites.

Probably because PK and telekinesis are really the same thing...aren't they? PK is just a lesser used term. If you searched for TK you may find some stuff.

I shall save you the trouble.
You will find bullshit.
Lots and lots of bullshit.
The useful bit you will find won't be too incredibly useful, because if it told one enough to be able to actually use PK, it would probably be a household name as far as science goes.

But for the bit on DMT, something interesting about "The Hand of God" drug; people have been using it to force OBEs for a long time, i can't validate that claim and i won't pretend it can't be their own mind making shit up, but tis the word of mouth. Actually... i'm not inclined to believe anyone saying they have had an honest to god out of body experience, even if it's me on a tape recorder.

Yeah Cabrion,the whole DMT thing has piqued my intrest for a long while,and I've posted about it on numerous occasions here in the forums..I do believe the chemical accounts for much, if not most of certain divine or "paranormal" experiences.Not only that,but I do feel the chemical plays an important role in PK,TK telepathy and the like,which ,for the record,I dont really but alot of credence in PK and TK as opposed to telepathy and precognition which I KNOW we all experience to one degree or another.Now,whether it simply causes us to halluciante or whether it plays a role by enabling our brains to access these (pk,tk,telepathy etc...)processes,whos to say.But from my research thus far,it appears that this chemical is a major player and reacts to certain frequencies.

I have experianced DMT emergance naturally when my heart crashed.. what an intense state to be in!

In centrifuge test pilots at 8gs experience full blown " OBEs".

So perhaps the brain does not want the conscious to experience the
trauma.

RSPK as in the Tina Recsh case held my attention for sometime, an individual oblivious to their actions, actions so subtle in exectution, that
Paranormal Investigators were stumped.

I have personaly absolutely convinced people that I was PK able, as well as an Apport for Poltergeist, using both rigged, natural occuring anomilies , and psysics.

ive learned from studying quantum mechanics to not discount anything.
that said, if its possible, i would looove to see it in action and even more, to learn to do it.

~W~

Unfortunately DMT is illegal for common use in most states, and anyone reading this who has the moronic idea that we're giving you permission to do this ..... well actually go ahead, see what happens. i would love to see the court that would blame us for it.

Anyway i heard it grows on a plant whose stem enables it to be smoked?

It is produced naturally in the pineal gland and is what causes obe and divine revelation.(or so studies show)I know there are those who might try to obtain it, as a supplement,but thats just foolish in my eyes.

Lets refrain from discussing drugs.

Do NOT try DMT, period. It is not ok.

"ive learned from studying quantum mechanics to not discount anything."

I second that LW.

So perhaps with meditation one could theoretically encourage his or her brain to release that certain chemical into their bloodstream naturally?

Medically speaking, we don't really know the role of DMT. We just know it occurs naturally in small amounts and seems to be involved in various experiences, visions etc.

DMT is similar to serotonin and just like with other neurotransmitters when we focus on certain things to evoke some sort of emotion or feeling it may be possible to cause a release of DMT.

But, again, since we really don't know a lot about its role in the body, I'm not sure if thats possible. Even if it is I have no idea if you could release an amount large enough to cause something. Our brains only produce a certain amount of these chemicals and you can "run out" if they're over released, like what happens with certain rec drugs. So it may not be possible to even produce an amount beyond its normal levels, at least not with thought alone.

Thanks Zav for answering that,Sorry,was busy and didnt see your question C.
Yes,we really dont know alot about it,but again,I think it plays a role in telepathy and such by allowing our brains to vibrate at certain frequencies..Also Dab hit on the important point that it helps our minds and bodies deal with major trauma.

Regarding Telepathy,

At a Rainbow gathering, while on psycobin mushrooms, I witnessed what appeared to be telepathy. Though in retrospect I acctualized it for what it was. A variable of vantilquism, still very phenomenal by my stw standerds.

Communication below a whisper, yet above a thought.

A portion of what we know as communication is visual, as well as audeo, often the pauses in conversation still relate content relative to the topic.

As far as meditaion Cabrion,yes, it is said that meditaion does evoke the pineal gland to release dmt and when our brains reach certain frequencies it interacts with the DMT,breaking down barriers that allow us to 'see" with our third eye..

i wonder if anyone knows if there's a spike of it in the bloodstream during the transition phase of death?

i've been trying to think of a logical way for the existence of spirits to be possible. So far it has mostly come down to presence of mind, the electricity in the brain escaping into the atmosphere somehow, i think it would be facilitated with a sudden psychic outburst, projecting the soul through the third eye, and away from the body, the temporary container.
This is still on topic i believe

Wow this is all very interesting..
I believe in energy manipulation...
You can google it if you want lol I don't feel like going into detail about it..

I myself had had a few experiences with it..
Once when I was 15 and going through my awakening me and my mother got into a huge fight, and I had a Yankee candle lit in my room, I walked out, we got into the huge fight I was sooo mad. It was within min of me having lit the candle so it was still a solid form of wax for the most part. I stormed off to my room where the candle was lit. As I entered the room I looked at the candle and it was the first thing I saw. All of my rage I felt was directed on that candle, I mean I didn't even know what I was doing, and in less then a second the glass exploded and the wax turned liquid and the glass shattered, candle wax and glass covered my room. My mother was witness to this action as she had fallowed me into the room.
It was crazy and totally unexplainable.

After reading about energy manipulation I was later trying to control this massive amount of energy that I was able to pull and push. My mother, bestfriend and I were sitting on my couch and I was focusing on turning off the tv, I cleared my mind and drew the energy in, where then I expanded it to the tv, and it turned off.

I know my friend and mother aren't here to back me up and there's no way of them really telling you, but these events did happen. I haven't done anything with it sense bc it scared me lol. but i believe that to be some form of it..

I read a interesting book about this subject that was written by Neil Armstrong, Yep, the first man on the Moon thought - and tried - to do it too! Even went into the Physics and Science to see if it is possible. Don't remember much about it other than this: He was sitting on the couch trying to send the remote control from the TV to his hand (I know, who hasn't tried to do this). Hours go by and the only thing that happened was he got a message in his mind, "Get off your ass and get it yourself!"

I'll never forget it.

Don't try to become lazy.

it wasn't out of being lazy I was just seeing if it was possible. It took two years of studying to even start to try this. This is something I have been interested in for years.. I believe it has a lot to do with psy vampires as well. For those who believe in them. The power to drain energy from someone, bring it into your body, is a form of energy manipulation. There is obviously an entrance and exit for energy.. Why is it not possible to find it and control it?

Two types of matter; manifest and un-manifest. All matter has consciousness. The only thing you or anyone can control is yourself. All a person has to do is tell something to come to them, or appear to them. But since people are on a different level than the consciousness of the object, either the manifest or un-manifest, they need someone that is on that level to convert the request/command to that object, manifest or un-manifest. And it will be done. Doesn't matter if it is the remote control coming to you or water into wine. It's all the same.

Secrets many have hunted and died for. All anyone needs to do is loose the Ego and find that person/being that will convey your wish.

Simple. ;)

An excellent thread, I did not know about this Edd character and would love to meet him.I have trouble with electro magnetic stuff and if distressed interfere with radios etc. I also feel strong fields ...it hurts, even mobiles also problems with lightening although I understand from my Master this is not uncommon.Must admit I never thought of it as being related to Psychokenesis.BTW I also know of another person who can produce visible light but apparently I generate the energy, looks like UV in blue and yes it is genetic so this research should be funded. Hope this helps your research.

There are many forms of vibrations when it comes to inanimate objects, but they are not all conscious. The majority of objects that even are built to contain a mind either don't have one, or are entirely dormant.
Everything has an aura, and is interactive, but sentience is something a little more rare.

Being sensitive to vibration is something that kind of dulls in time, you'll get used to it.
Funny though, how certain wood feels different.
Ever tried to sense the negativity of a builder through a section of your house?
Fun stuff