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Yes I am very much curious about sunken cities... or the lost civilization.

This will be the great thread to ancient civilizations and cities which are sunken.

There is one found Indian sunken cities 9500 years ago...

But i believe no sea can rise 36 meteres beyond that sunken city in only 9500 years.

The Epics says one city of India Dwarika sunken and rose three times from sea level from its creation.

I wish to see this too in the case of atlantis and lemurian and many other cities and marks.

http://www.spiritofmaat.com/announce/oldcity.htm

Venum, don't make me go on an Age of Atlantis lecture... I will if I need to and have all the research resources at my disposal since I have been writing a documentary on something like this.

Damned Hyperboreans.

But I could not stop my curiocity

Coz this vision of Rama Bridge mentioned in Ramayana which exist from many thousand years as valmiki ramayan, Then Rama forces created to fight demon king Ravana.



The sunken part is clearly viewable in between Shrilanka corner of land (ceylone) (A 14) and Indian Corner of the Land (mm49)

this you can see that i have snapped it from google map.

I have snapped today only. I surprise if this much broad and long the bridge was (current gap between these two countries borders are beyond 30 km.

coz the distance is = 10 mili inch = 10 km.

and now is at the depth of the bay...

this now reserved as mannar marine national park.

I really wouldn't trust Google Maps for anything, the programmers can put in anything to their hearts desire regarding landmarks.

Technically Atlantis was a Continent, not a city. It spanned the entire Atlantic Ocean. So there were more then likely several cities created on the Continent considering it is reported to have existed for over 1000 years, from 9000 B.C.E. to its ultimate destruction from a meteor hitting the Burmuda Triangle somewhere around 99997 B.C.E. Thus ending that civilization as well as other continents i.e., Lemuria, and Mu.

Which could also be the cause of the Burmuda phenomenon.

Lets not forget plate tectonics and how they come into play...

Well these exploration of submerced cities or cities like huruppa and mohen-jodaro states that human living calculations and their species must be recalculated... I mean Nanderthael etc may be the semi human civilization was there prevailing but its age must be much back than they have stated coz the developed kingdoms are being found which dictates the old beliefs of human life is from very past.

According to hinduism we are living in Kali yoga this is period of 432000 years before it will over teh last age of the Hindu calander from where the earth will enter in satya yuga (432000 x 4 years period) before that the dark ages will be over and dark age human evils will be destroyed and human species starts again its own.

the life span of well developed human is stated in 4 yugas.

earlier to kali yuga (432000 years this is deemed to start from last 10000 - 100000 years back) coz dwapara yuga can not be ended in 3200 bc as stated in epics which destorted by so called think tank of hinduism or the world. coz after dwapara yuga the dwarika was submerced in ocean and three times you can say the tectonic activities were already calculated by Lord Krishna to end the yuga.

Before the dwapara yuga ended the dwapara age was 432000 x 2 years period. This was the last yuga of he calander bull where human and Giant human both did exist and at the end of Dwapara yuga Giant human species eliminated.

before dwapara there was the period of treta yuga (432000 x 3 years period) where the demons and human both did exist on earth.

before treta the first yuga of the Hindu Bull (calander) was the Satya Yuga (432000 x 4 years)

See hinduism says at the time of the end of kali yuga he calander bull will fall with the mass of human species itself and before that human will progress towards its dark ages and will survive to fight to survive.

Pollutions already giving such symptoms and the dark powers are emerging to takeover the rule codes of good human living.

The human will go to progress extremely but will waste in destroying the basic goodness from the earth and probably universe will lead the total destruction of human species and only few of them will prevail into next yuga (will be counted by open eyes).

This means the human will not be ended up by any armagadon coz by the mean time the technology will be developed to save human species. and we already saw tectonic shiftng of Indian continent and of world can not destroy whole human species. coz no much ice remained that would affect total destruction. No solar flare can turn the tectonic formation in to liquid coz already its cooling emerged out of lava just like hot boiled milk making the top as soon as it starts cooling.

yes volcanic activity may affect, but to what extent?

The series of volcanic activies all over the world ( even in asia as deccan platou is outcome of the most devastating volcanic activity 10s of millions of yeas ago).

tectonic plates and volcanos can sink the cities and countries or civilizations just like lemurians (mu), atlantis or dwarika or huruppa, mohen jodaro, but can not destroy the human as whole.

I wish to assemble more Notes on the sunken cities here in he form of opinion and the existance reference or proof in the form of video tubes or any other literature and what ever your conscious says on the artifacts or may be possible logical hyothecations.

History must be explored again and accurated.

Technically, SoulShroude, Atlantis is nothing more than what Plato claimed it to be: a metaphorical location used as a setting for his philosophical and political allegory "Timaeus" written in the 4th Century BCE about a mythological location his fictional story places as having existed over 8,000 years before even his own time!

When considered that even today with all our technoology we know next to nothing about Human civilization 8,000 years before even our own time, there is no way Plato could have been relating actual real events that occurred so far in the distant past before his own day. Lest we have forgotten, Plato was not an historian or an archaeologist; he was a philsopher and a teacher who taught almost exclusively through the use of allegories to express his views and better teach his audiences.

Given this undeniable fact, for us to seriously consider Atlantis an actual location makes about as much sense as considering Jonathan Swift's own political and philosophical allegorical account of the fictional country of Lilliput ("Gulliver's Travels") as equally a real place.

Or should we likewise think that Aesop was actually referring to real characters and events when he told his famous fables of talking insects and animals in the 5th Century BCE?


- Upir'

Today we can have photographic analysis of how the human form changes in the skull and bone part concern and what period it takes in taking the environment and pollution into account and what the human would be there exist when no pollution was there and oxygen level was good.

Even with speculation, my dear ~Upir~... this does not account for ancient ruins found beneath the Atlantic Ocean that would specify otherwise. Though there is no real proof as to where Atlantis was located, I don't think its called the Atlantic Ocean for nothing. I doubt naming it that is by mere coincidence alone.

I have read Plato through and through and am very familiar with his allegories. Still calls into question regarding the most ancient of civilizations, where they were located and what happened to cause such a mass disappearance.

I think I would take us back to the time of: 65,000,000 B.C. E. – When Laurasia and Gondwana began to separate into smaller segments, which were speculated to be known as Lemuria, Atlantis, Thule, Mu and Hyperborea.

But again, its all theoretical until proper proof of those very ancient civilizations come into view.

The "ruins beneath the Atlantic Ocean" is a bit of a misnomer, is it not? The only "ruins" found to date are those just off the shores of various European and African countries where water levels have risen and claimed such prior coastal lands and not, actually, ruins found out in the middle of the ocean somewhere. Correct me if I am wrong with the relevant references for me to investigate and I shall gladly grant this claim to you. Thanks in advance.

As for the name of the Atlantic Ocean, just because its name is derived from legend no more legitimizes such as a historical reality than do the constellation names of Orion, Cassiopeia, Hercules, Perseus, Andromeda, etc., validate any such as actual historical figures.


- Upir'

As I stated, most of it is pures speculation. But, I do have some evidence to state otherwise such as divers that have done their own research and excavations of the Atlantic and found startling evidence.

How about a speculative site: http://atlantis.haktanir.org/ch11.html

It has some good historical facts plus a bit of theory.

I think I should leave here my opinion as analysis overlay that Santorini Island is most near to be called atlantis. But to my knowledge this sunk in erruption of the volcano that submerced the whole island and destroying all mediterranean coastal areas. The Santorini was at that time the crown of western Civilazations in growth and advancement regards. Their culture and trade been with whole of western region. and most grown and powerful nation was that santorini. I think there was one of ancient wonder of world also been situated. that was that time peak most civilisation. This civilisation may be of the chain or core of Thera or Atlantis Civilisation. coz such growth after ice age can not be thought in other civilisations in western countries regards. every thing was there, environment, weather, mountain expelling pure water through waterfalls and flora and fauna. the homes there would be at same distance to each other and in a row that making circle and in between grounf or road would be so huge that the whole civilisation would flourish in happyness and boom of growth. plenty of vegetation and mediyeranean sea showring its treasury on them. trade winds used to make that whole santorini a paradise as the peak of the mountain in between the flow of trade winds.

The example I posted was just that. I have further documentation if needed. Such as this:

http://www.lost-civilizations.net/possible-physical-evidence-atlantis-2.html

While not the best site for historical information, a few bits and pieces cannot denie a fact that some where in the Atlantic Ocean certain artifacts and ruins have been found to provide evidence that something was there a very long time ago.

Yes I am agree with you Honorable Soulshroud,

But I can imagine that no city can submersed without tectonic activity.

See the case that ice age can not prevail so long that citizen forms the city below see level.

No deoxylation of atmosphere can create so huge level of water.

No space dust can form such a huge layer of sand or dust that sea rise so high within 10000-15000 years.

This means my opinion shifting to the purity of nature which not polluted that much to those evidence and protected from destroying them.

Coz ice age theory little disturb me that why human will form the cities to bottom and how did they survive in the ice age...

I think ice age is out come of any mass destruction. and that mass destruction engulfed the major portion of world where it been hit. such as tectonic drowning. can we think of ectonic drowning over lava due to overload or any shifting activity...

Indian continenct still is going upward and himalaya still is rising due to that.

Pyramids always been mysteries all over the world may they be of egypt or may be crystal pyramids or Japanese pyramids.

The big most pyramid is mount Kailash in himalaya which is the last pyramid in the line of Egyptian pyramid and may it be the first pyramid. Its the holy place of indian pilgrims in tibet as the site of Lord Shiva. though it is mountain, it is brought to mystery that it is in the line of egyptian pyramids and its most clearly vidible from space and nearby watching they say its sited as if man made archeology.

a few bits of ruins have turned up in the west indies and there is some very unnacountable buildings in america which the indians themselves say was not built by them.lake ontario has more lost ships than the bermuda trangle.the indians there said that there was a city where one of the lakes was and it was destroyed by fire from heavan.proving the existance of lost civilisations is difficault because they are lost and destroyed.the people of the canarias said they where the rememnats of a slost civilisation destoryed by the sea.they thought they where that last humans on earth.the portugese found two scrolls made of gold and sent it to the vatican library.nobody will see them again.the city at lake titicata is interesting.nobody simply knows who built and when.

It is said that at the time of Atlantis the Mediterranean was a large and fertile valley. The Nile river came out of Africa, as it does today, and was called the River Stix. However, instead of flowing into the Mediterranean Sea at the Nile Delta in northern Egypt, it continued into the valley, and then turned westward to flow in the deepest part of the Mediterranean Valley where it created a large lake and then flowed out between Sardinia into the Atlantic near Gibraltar (the Pillars of Hercules).
There is well established archaeological fossil records which show whale bones and other salt water marine life in the middle of the Sahara desert.

The most resent theory is that Atlantis may have actually been the name for and Empire or nation state of many cities. All of which were destroyed in a cataclysmic upheaval. This cataclysmic change in the Atlantic fapidly flooded the Mediterranean Basin, destroying all of these great cities and forcing them to move to higher ground. This theory (if true) helps explain the strange megalithic remains found throughout the Mediterranean and the Great Flood stories that are universal throughout the world.

It is an archaeological fact that there are more than 200 known sunken cities in the Mediterranean.

While I find evidence of a "lost continent" based on a Platonic allegory 8,000 years before Plato's time to be spurious at best and misguided at most, yet I do entirely believe, given my own studies, that pyramids are indeed evidence of ancient visitation by celestial visitors of some sort.

All civilizations with pyramids (including pyramid-like ziggurats) have legends of visitors descending from the skies with near-identical physical characteristics (i.e., blond or silver hair, Caucasian in appearance and with blue eyes) who taught them and established their first understandings of civilizations and even marriage.

Severus,

That is largely due to the well-established understanding that prior to one of our earlier Ice Ages, the Straits of Gibraltar separated the Atlantic Ocean from the Mediterranean Basin until, following the melting of the ice at the end of that Ice Age, oceanic water levels rose to the degree that they breached the Straits and broke through this natural dam thus filling the Basin and creating the Mediterranean Sea as we call it today. This could be on explanation for Noah's Flood though this would have occurred tens of thousands of years ago. A more recent and more probable explanation for Noah's Flood was when, at the end of the last Ice Age about 8,000 years ago, this same melting of the ice caused ocean levels to rise that caused the Mediterranean Sea to rise that, in turn breached the natural dam of the Bosphoros Straits and flooded into the valley that created the Black Sea under which whole villages have been found inundated.

Fascinating stuff to study!

Very true, But Upir what makes your comments even more interesting to me is that the most likely geographical explanation is the melting of the ice cap and glacierial retreat as a probable catalyst.

Just like the water weathering of the sphinx enclosure debate it would seem that the science of one school (geology) is in conflict with another science (archaeology).
The problem here is that the last ice age ended ruffly 10,000 years ago. So in order for these cities to have been submerged they had to have been there prior to that melt... logically some would argue that you wouldn't and couldn't built a city in an ice age so they would have to have been built and inhabited prior to the start of that same ice age as well.
Which would have to put them (at their earliest built time) in the a ball park of 25 to 35 thousands year ago.

This might surprise some, but the only reliable dating method for organic material is Carbon-14 dating. This procedure can date organic material such as bones and teeth accurately but only to a maximum of 25,000-30,000 years.
Coincidence?? lol
Dating older organic material is nothing more than guesswork. In many cases these guesses rely on a "leap of faith" assumptions by dating the rocks found near the organic material in question, wildly asserting these rocks were formed at the same time as the bones/skull/teeth were deposited.
Which is why it puzzles me so much when archaeologist flat out deny what a geologist say is accurate science.
For me in always come back to logic, Egyptians, Sumerians, pick an ancient culture of your choice and what you will find is that they started in a Golden era and then went into decline. The people were one step out of the stones age and and Ice age yet they were doing things we would have great trouble duplicating today.

I think most people laugh off an Atlantis at first but at the same time will openly admit that the civilized version of man is far older than what we teach our children... the model for our history is just wrong.

~Severus~, most of the teachings of our history is supressed in schools now adays. Hell, when I was a kid, I was taught to believe that Christopher Columbus found America by accident and thus we have Columbus day. This is untrue. Amerigo Vespucci was here a few years before Columbus. So why is HE not celebrated?

Anywho, I believe that most history has been falsified for some unknown reason by an unknown group. For the sake of hiding a certain truth that the public just isn't ready for, nor might not ever be. Thus, a theory as to why the history of Atlantis is taught as allegory within Platonic myths and stories.

For the record, the Pillars of Hercules were rumoured to have been the gateway to Atlantis.

They stopped digging...
Archaeological work has been suspended at the 4,600 year-old Seila Pyramid in Egypt.
Excavation and research at the site has been going on for nearly three decades now by a team led by Professor Wilfred Griggs of Brigham Young University.
Seila is one of four pyramids constructed by the pharaoh Snefru. The father of Khufu, this ruler revolutionized pyramid building by constructing the first “true” pyramids, with flat sides that angle up towards the sky.
There is a vast cemetery near the pyramid, estimated to hold nearly one million mummies. Most of the people buried there date to Graeco-Roman times (starting ca. 2,300 years ago) or later.
The past few days have seen widespread protests across Egypt, with demonstrators demanding that President Hosni Mubarak, a man who has led the country for 30 years, resign.
Professor Griggs said in a telephone interview from Cairo that antiquities officials are not permitting work to be done at the pyramid, “they’re worried about robbing and looting.” With the US government urging its citizens to leave the country, the Brigham Young team will depart in a few days.
Griggs emphasized that he has no information to indicate that Seila and its cemetery has been robbed and thinks it unlikely. “I hope they have not been.” From his conversations with antiquities officials they are more concerned about the general area that the pyramid is located in – to the north looting attempts have been reported at the sites of Abusir and Saqqara.

http://www.skrause.org/writing/papers/hapgood_and_ecd.shtml


Good article...touches on all points of this thread...:)

Especially ...the theory of earth crust displacement.

I think adding posts to analysis of sunken Cities would be great. It is a shame that this thread seems to have sidestepped to just speaking of the possibility of Atlantis. While I happen to be very interested in this subject as well, there are many other actual sunken cities out there - that have proff of their existance.

Like off Egypt where Cleopatra's palace and most of the surrounding city is now under water.

Thank you all for the different links and videos - they were very educational and interesting.

~Daemona~, Atlantis is theoretically the biggest sunken thing out there known to man. Which is why I brought it up from my end. There are many other sunken cities out there, granted. But to miss the mother load, I just cannot look past. What ever is under the Atlantic Ocean, either off the coast of Bermuda, direct center of the Atlantic or near the Gulf of Mexico, it is all relevant. Even an old ruined road has been found in one of these areas. There is no denying the fact that there was something down there at one point in time, Atlantis or not.

This all is interesting...

Here on net these chains are hypothetic and analytic way rising and the remains and its quest is rising most in the discussion way.

Here one link too seek the open discussion and analysis.

http://weburbanist.com/2007/09/12/underwater-urban-archeology-7-submerged-wonders-of-the-world/

I've always been interested in the sunken palace and library of Alexandria...as the library itself was the known world depository of knowledge and was lost to the sea. It's reputed to have held the ancient maps that legend has it, were the source maps of the Peri Reis Map utilized by Columbus to discover the Americas before longitude was a known factor.

It seems having a new world library is in the works however...check it out:

http://www.egypttourism.org/New%20Site/places/bibliotheca_alexandrina.htm

I am sure the people and or government of Alexandria had enough time to move the archives to a safer location before that area sunk into the depths.

I am also sure that certain people, governments, secret societies, etc. are suppressing the world from those archives as well as other suitable means of gaining knowledge (Vatican Archives, etc.) to keep the world at bay from what ever arcane "truth" are still hidden from them.

LOL, this is starting to sound way too much like a conspiracy theory. Sorry just sayin'

In my opinion that most rich literature is destroyed i pre ice age period due to world war.

well i think allexandria peepal have diverted few and most important literature from the library before it submursed in the water.

Even in India the pre-ice age scientific literature is destroyed and only their existance is shown in the way of epics and texts that they were prevailing leading to individual high being growth.

Well, to find out if any location of submersed city is visible on google, I went on searching for couple of hours and found this unnatural probably manmade sattlement on the bed of the ocean (bay of bengal).

You can see how the underwater bed is visible from space.

its taken on google earth. we can put our search to those visible bed where the bed is near the surface of the sea water to the air.

as i have an affinity for ancient egyptian things i am most interested in the palace and library of alexandria and hope when political issues calm in egypt a possible "resurfacing" so to speak might be worked out